Comments on: Tillman Family is McChrystal-Clear http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46457 HR Wed, 20 May 2009 18:59:01 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46457 What has happened to the media? Nothing at all. But, people are finally awakening, at least a little, to what a brainwashing effort the media here have always been. What has happened to the media? Nothing at all. But, people are finally awakening, at least a little, to what a brainwashing effort the media here have always been.

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46456 HR Wed, 20 May 2009 18:58:26 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46456 What has happened to the media? Nothing at all. But, people are finally awakening, at least a little, to what a brainwashing effort the media here has always been. What has happened to the media? Nothing at all. But, people are finally awakening, at least a little, to what a brainwashing effort the media here has always been.

]]> By: Ryan Martin http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46251 Ryan Martin Tue, 19 May 2009 06:39:22 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46251 What scares me the most is the media is not reporting any off this. They are reporting the glowing praise coming from Obama and the Republicans. What has happened to the media? What scares me the most is the media is not reporting any off this. They are reporting the glowing praise coming from Obama and the Republicans. What has happened to the media?

]]> By: Russell Olausen http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46245 Russell Olausen Tue, 19 May 2009 04:42:24 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46245 It makes perfect sense to have unaccountable militarists increase their power when the main business of state is unaccountable wars.This road America is on does not have any U turning on it.So far the trip has been fast and relatively smooth but sooner or later some real Boogie types are bound to show up as a moth is attracted to light.The more secure you get the more security you need.Any way I wish you well, there is a lot of fun types among you. It makes perfect sense to have unaccountable militarists increase their power when the main business of state is unaccountable wars.This road America is on does not have any U turning on it.So far the trip has been fast and relatively smooth but sooner or later some real Boogie types are bound to show up as a moth is attracted to light.The more secure you get the more security you need.Any way I wish you well, there is a lot of fun types among you.

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46239 HR Tue, 19 May 2009 04:02:40 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46239 Hey, what's wrong with the present system of having a senate where the 25 most populous states, with about 84 percent of the population, get 50 senators, while the smallest 25, with about 16 percent of the population get the remaining 50 senators? I'll take a parliamentary system any day, though not a monarchy. Currently, we're a nation ruled by second-rate states. Hey, what’s wrong with the present system of having a senate where the 25 most populous states, with about 84 percent of the population, get 50 senators, while the smallest 25, with about 16 percent of the population get the remaining 50 senators? I’ll take a parliamentary system any day, though not a monarchy. Currently, we’re a nation ruled by second-rate states.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46230 bozh Mon, 18 May 2009 23:26:14 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46230 do voters confuse a gov't with governance? And thus do not see that it wld profit them much more to pay attention to it and not to mere managers; oops, govt's. cldn't the voters start their observation of the governance by carefuly reading US constitution; the base for all that goes on in US? true, what goes on in US is not based on that writ but on the interpretation of that writ. and all interpretations of a constitution are correct/just/wise, etc. by reading constitution, one might discover that nowhere is to be found the basic human right to have healthcare, among other basic rights. and one just might wonder why their dear fathers of the confederation never put that in? Or that they never said, Thou shall have health care once the country get's rich and ye shall be enlightened and not deceived? and the present Dear Leader said, Thou shall not have healthcare nor any goodies. and all that without permission from the holy constitution. Some holiness! Like that of a pope! Another dear father! tnx do voters confuse a gov’t with governance? And thus do not see that it wld profit them much more to pay attention to it and not to mere managers; oops, govt’s.
cldn’t the voters start their observation of the governance by carefuly reading US constitution; the base for all that goes on in US?
true, what goes on in US is not based on that writ but on the interpretation of that writ.
and all interpretations of a constitution are correct/just/wise, etc.
by reading constitution, one might discover that nowhere is to be found the basic human right to have healthcare, among other basic rights.

and one just might wonder why their dear fathers of the confederation never put that in? Or that they never said, Thou shall have health care once the country get’s rich and ye shall be enlightened and not deceived?
and the present Dear Leader said, Thou shall not have healthcare nor any goodies.
and all that without permission from the holy constitution. Some holiness! Like that of a pope! Another dear father! tnx

]]> By: rosemarie jackowski http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46225 rosemarie jackowski Mon, 18 May 2009 22:04:04 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46225 rg the lg... "...better off with a monarch..." I agree. Almost anything would be better than the current system. I often advocate for a lottery system. Just pick a name out of the hat or phone directory, or off any list of humans in the US. That might be the only way that we get to be governed by one of our peers - someone who is not a member of the wealthy/ruling/elite class. It would be a pleasant change to have a plumber, or truck driver, or nurse, or stay at home mother for a president. RH2... "...illiterate voters..."... I agree. It is the voters, it is always the voters who have the ultimate responsibility. It happens after every election. The laments about 'we were duped - he lied to us'. Voters' remorse till the next election and the same thing happens all over again. You'd think they'd have learned by now. rg the lg… “…better off with a monarch…” I agree. Almost anything would be better than the current system. I often advocate for a lottery system. Just pick a name out of the hat or phone directory, or off any list of humans in the US. That might be the only way that we get to be governed by one of our peers – someone who is not a member of the wealthy/ruling/elite class. It would be a pleasant change to have a plumber, or truck driver, or nurse, or stay at home mother for a president.

RH2… “…illiterate voters…”… I agree. It is the voters, it is always the voters who have the ultimate responsibility. It happens after every election. The laments about ‘we were duped – he lied to us’. Voters’ remorse till the next election and the same thing happens all over again. You’d think they’d have learned by now.

]]> By: rg the lg http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46163 rg the lg Mon, 18 May 2009 03:17:14 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46163 This is the 'change' we voted for? Well, to be honest, I didn't vote. When younger, I voted once for Carter (the first time) ... didn't before, haven't since. Why? Because the idea of change was/is an illusion. O'Bushma, and his predecessors, work for the same rather loosely and somewhat disorganized quasi-cabal ... it isn't that they have conspired ... it is more that the capitalists have a general (c0mmon) agenda ... and the role of president is/was/will be to protect their interests/wealth/influence/power. Personally, I think we would have been better off with a monarch and a parliamentary system ... Washington let us down, or maybe more accurately sold us out! I remain a fan of the Articles of confederation. Has anyone actually read them ... or just taken it a face value that they should have been changed " in order to make a more perfect union '' ... but, for whom? If you haven't, try Wikipedia ... oh, I know ... it isn't reliable! Bull! It is no less reliable than Britannica, Americana, or any of the others and has the virtue of being open source! Just because no one is being PAID for the articles does not mean the articles are not generally very reliable! One more capitalist myth: Britannica is best because what ... it is more expensive? Bull s--t! Read the Articles ... the decide which one would have better protected your own individual interests! Once you do that, by a copy of any of Howard Zinn's books ... they are at least accurate! RG the LG This is the ‘change’ we voted for?

Well, to be honest, I didn’t vote. When younger, I voted once for Carter (the first time) … didn’t before, haven’t since.

Why? Because the idea of change was/is an illusion. O’Bushma, and his predecessors, work for the same rather loosely and somewhat disorganized quasi-cabal … it isn’t that they have conspired … it is more that the capitalists have a general (c0mmon) agenda … and the role of president is/was/will be to protect their interests/wealth/influence/power.

Personally, I think we would have been better off with a monarch and a parliamentary system … Washington let us down, or maybe more accurately sold us out!

I remain a fan of the Articles of confederation. Has anyone actually read them … or just taken it a face value that they should have been changed ” in order to make a more perfect union ” … but, for whom?
If you haven’t, try Wikipedia … oh, I know … it isn’t reliable! Bull! It is no less reliable than Britannica, Americana, or any of the others and has the virtue of being open source! Just because no one is being PAID for the articles does not mean the articles are not generally very reliable!

One more capitalist myth: Britannica is best because what … it is more expensive?

Bull s–t!

Read the Articles … the decide which one would have better protected your own individual interests! Once you do that, by a copy of any of Howard Zinn’s books … they are at least accurate!

RG the LG

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46148 bozh Sun, 17 May 2009 22:48:35 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46148 RH2, more on "illiterate" voters. One cannot adapt to a fictitious reality. Ruling class in US, which had developed an ideal fascist structure of society, had bombarded children with an ocean of lies. children are very trusting; very eager to please adults. They have no inkling that their seniors are lying to them. the purpose being to rule them once they become adults; enamored with americanism. even slavery, lynching, cld not shake or rattle their feelings about america being the greatest land on the planet. lies work! We know how/where/when/why! Some 200mn amers are victimised by US by words! That's all it takes. The aliens are victimised by missiles, bombs, invasions, terrorism, or threats of invasion/terrorism. in fact, US ruling class has been behaving just like the ruling classes in perhaps all lands and empires. clero-political or clero-patrician class of life had been lying to us for millennia. natch, the more evil/greedy/scared an empire, the more it lies; covering lies by more lies. It never ends. only a very fearful [fearful of losing primacy or wealth because planet is getting poorer and warmer] wld wage serial wars; while denying domestics even healthcare. tnx RH2, more on “illiterate” voters. One cannot adapt to a fictitious reality. Ruling class in US, which had developed an ideal fascist structure of society, had bombarded children with an ocean of lies.
children are very trusting; very eager to please adults. They have no inkling that their seniors are lying to them.
the purpose being to rule them once they become adults; enamored with americanism.
even slavery, lynching, cld not shake or rattle their feelings about america being the greatest land on the planet.
lies work! We know how/where/when/why! Some 200mn amers are victimised by US by words! That’s all it takes.
The aliens are victimised by missiles, bombs, invasions, terrorism, or threats of invasion/terrorism.

in fact, US ruling class has been behaving just like the ruling classes in perhaps all lands and empires.
clero-political or clero-patrician class of life had been lying to us for millennia.
natch, the more evil/greedy/scared an empire, the more it lies; covering lies by more lies. It never ends.
only a very fearful [fearful of losing primacy or wealth because planet is getting poorer and warmer] wld wage serial wars; while denying domestics even healthcare. tnx

]]> By: RH2 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/tillman-family-is-mcchrystal-clear/#comment-46130 RH2 Sun, 17 May 2009 19:30:41 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8233#comment-46130 Dave Zirin, “Now a man who should perhaps be on trial at the Hague is in charge of Afghanistan. Obama needs to know it’s not just the Tillmans who are enraged by this terrible choice.” The so-called super powers China, Russia and the U.S. have signed the Rome Statut (the basis for the “court“ in The Hague), but have not ratified it. The U.S. has even withdrawn its signature subsequently and excluded its citizens from being delivered up to this court. Moreover, the American Service Members Protection Act became effective in 2002 authorizing the U.S. president to militarily free U.S. citizens, who should answer for something (crimes) in The Hague. U.S. authorities are forbidden to cooperate with the court. This is obviously a travesty of justice. The “court” in The Hague is thus an Imperial stage performing against politicians from countries, which do not suit U.S. Imperialism. This selective performance is illegal and morally deficient. An a American war criminal is best served by a process at home. But who would initiate that? You have a long history of slavery, submissiveness, illiterate voters and war criminals. Dave Zirin,

“Now a man who should perhaps be on trial at the Hague is in charge of Afghanistan. Obama needs to know it’s not just the Tillmans who are enraged by this terrible choice.”

The so-called super powers China, Russia and the U.S. have signed the Rome Statut (the basis for the “court“ in The Hague), but have not ratified it. The U.S. has even withdrawn its signature subsequently and excluded its citizens from being delivered up to this court. Moreover, the American Service Members Protection Act became effective in 2002 authorizing the U.S. president to militarily free U.S. citizens, who should answer for something (crimes) in The Hague. U.S. authorities are forbidden to cooperate with the court. This is obviously a travesty of justice. The “court” in The Hague is thus an Imperial stage performing against politicians from countries, which do not suit U.S. Imperialism. This selective performance is illegal and morally deficient. An a American war criminal is best served by a process at home. But who would initiate that? You have a long history of slavery, submissiveness, illiterate voters and war criminals.

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