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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45513</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 17:00:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, danny,
i have misunderstood you.  You were saying that there is no perfection!
right on!
but you&#039;d agree, i think, a better governance and thus better gov&#039;t is possible to achieve?

i also hope you make a distinction btwn governance [constitution, jurisprudence, ruthless competition, etc.] and gov&#039;ts.
these are much different realities; i.e., there is a difference btwn management of a people&#039;s affairs and guiding principles under which a gov&#039;t shld labor? tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, danny,<br />
i have misunderstood you.  You were saying that there is no perfection!<br />
right on!<br />
but you&#8217;d agree, i think, a better governance and thus better gov&#8217;t is possible to achieve?</p>
<p>i also hope you make a distinction btwn governance [constitution, jurisprudence, ruthless competition, etc.] and gov&#8217;ts.<br />
these are much different realities; i.e., there is a difference btwn management of a people&#8217;s affairs and guiding principles under which a gov&#8217;t shld labor? tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Ray</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45507</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 15:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bozh, 
I think you are agreeing with me, I was telling Lichen how direct democracy will never work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bozh,<br />
I think you are agreeing with me, I was telling Lichen how direct democracy will never work.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45505</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And underclass is with knowledge the place to be and very free.  Granted it must be fully understood but once you got it you got it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And underclass is with knowledge the place to be and very free.  Granted it must be fully understood but once you got it you got it.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45504</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>danny ray,
please allow me to jerk your ear!? We know there is nothing perfect. Neither are we out to create an utopian or perfect world.
OK, here i am speaking for others; chnage it to me talking for self only.

it wld be beneficial when talking about a better strucure of governance if we wld totaly avoid using the word  &quot;democracy&quot;.  No one  has to date experienced it.  It doesn&#039;t exist anywhere and may never be possible; especially in utopian sense.

instead of using lofty and far- removed- from- reality- words like &quot;democracy&quot;, &quot;capitalism&quot;, or  &quot;socialism&quot;  let&#039;s talk and muse about the basic panhuman rights.
such as right to healthcare, peace, to be educated/informed/represented by a political party, etc.
such basic rights-  or  as i say peoples&#039; inheritance-  is obtainable but only thru a political party that wld diametrically oppose the one party uncle has.
uncle not being stupid to have two or more parties like most other lands; he&#039; ll do everything possible  to thwart establishment of a party that wld represent low and lower classes.
it is up to young  amers to get going or remain  for decennia/centuries an underclass. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>danny ray,<br />
please allow me to jerk your ear!? We know there is nothing perfect. Neither are we out to create an utopian or perfect world.<br />
OK, here i am speaking for others; chnage it to me talking for self only.</p>
<p>it wld be beneficial when talking about a better strucure of governance if we wld totaly avoid using the word  &#8220;democracy&#8221;.  No one  has to date experienced it.  It doesn&#8217;t exist anywhere and may never be possible; especially in utopian sense.</p>
<p>instead of using lofty and far- removed- from- reality- words like &#8220;democracy&#8221;, &#8220;capitalism&#8221;, or  &#8220;socialism&#8221;  let&#8217;s talk and muse about the basic panhuman rights.<br />
such as right to healthcare, peace, to be educated/informed/represented by a political party, etc.<br />
such basic rights-  or  as i say peoples&#8217; inheritance-  is obtainable but only thru a political party that wld diametrically oppose the one party uncle has.<br />
uncle not being stupid to have two or more parties like most other lands; he&#8217; ll do everything possible  to thwart establishment of a party that wld represent low and lower classes.<br />
it is up to young  amers to get going or remain  for decennia/centuries an underclass. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Ray</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45502</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lichen, in a perfect world direct democracy will work; unfortunately, we do not now and never have lived in a perfect world. In addition, the only way to make it perfect would be to eliminate humanity and start over. 

as for an egalitarian constitution, they all start off that way but any document can and will be bent any way you need to bend it. Look at the Koran and the Bible both teaches love and understanding but people bend them to mean anything they will. Look at your self, you obviously have no respect for any opinion except your own, I am sure you and others here would be happy to enforce your belief on others thru the power of a constitution. This is a truism if you live in a huge county or a small village.

Moreover, as for my ugly (and you left out little) mind, what we see in others in mostly a reflection of our selves. I have read many of your comments, you say the most hurtful things about any one and anything that goes across the grain of what you believe, but you refuse to have your own beliefs examined.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lichen, in a perfect world direct democracy will work; unfortunately, we do not now and never have lived in a perfect world. In addition, the only way to make it perfect would be to eliminate humanity and start over. </p>
<p>as for an egalitarian constitution, they all start off that way but any document can and will be bent any way you need to bend it. Look at the Koran and the Bible both teaches love and understanding but people bend them to mean anything they will. Look at your self, you obviously have no respect for any opinion except your own, I am sure you and others here would be happy to enforce your belief on others thru the power of a constitution. This is a truism if you live in a huge county or a small village.</p>
<p>Moreover, as for my ugly (and you left out little) mind, what we see in others in mostly a reflection of our selves. I have read many of your comments, you say the most hurtful things about any one and anything that goes across the grain of what you believe, but you refuse to have your own beliefs examined.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45499</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 13:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>question arises!  Uncle may never allow more than one party or politicians to squabble about anything of importance like healthcare or no wars for acquision of land and resources.
these and other very important topics are taboo to politicians and clergy. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>question arises!  Uncle may never allow more than one party or politicians to squabble about anything of importance like healthcare or no wars for acquision of land and resources.<br />
these and other very important topics are taboo to politicians and clergy. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45480</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 03:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Direct democracy is empowering communities to collectively decide the policies which effect their lives, but is backed up by an egalitarian constitution, so no, ugly minds like yours don&#039;t have it pinned down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Direct democracy is empowering communities to collectively decide the policies which effect their lives, but is backed up by an egalitarian constitution, so no, ugly minds like yours don&#8217;t have it pinned down.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny Ray</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45477</link>
		<dc:creator>Danny Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 02:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>democrats are for abortion, but anti death penalty?
democrats are patriotic, but majority in New York and Calif ornia want the rest of America to shut up and go away
 democrats think Barak Obama is some kind of leader?
 democrats leaders are Al Gore &amp; Arianna huffington? Lol
 democrats think it is ok to spend billions on healthcare  but not on freedom?
 democrats call Bush crazy but obama gave away trillions?
 democrats believe stem cell research is good?
 democrats only issue is abortion? That’s all I ever hear.

See Enzo how easy it is?

Lichen, Direct demoracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. it works well as long as you are a majority but poorly when you are a minority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>democrats are for abortion, but anti death penalty?<br />
democrats are patriotic, but majority in New York and Calif ornia want the rest of America to shut up and go away<br />
 democrats think Barak Obama is some kind of leader?<br />
 democrats leaders are Al Gore &amp; Arianna huffington? Lol<br />
 democrats think it is ok to spend billions on healthcare  but not on freedom?<br />
 democrats call Bush crazy but obama gave away trillions?<br />
 democrats believe stem cell research is good?<br />
 democrats only issue is abortion? That’s all I ever hear.</p>
<p>See Enzo how easy it is?</p>
<p>Lichen, Direct demoracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner. it works well as long as you are a majority but poorly when you are a minority.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45469</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 01:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When will the democrats also be finished?  And what about the end of the autocracy we have now, and the beginning of a direct democracy?</description>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45464</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 23:26:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love people who rail against government and taxes...I imagine them getting all fired up about it while driving down a road they by themselves didn&#039;t pave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love people who rail against government and taxes&#8230;I imagine them getting all fired up about it while driving down a road they by themselves didn&#8217;t pave.</p>
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		<title>By: Enzo</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45457</link>
		<dc:creator>Enzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 22:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the Republicans ARE finished. They are attracting zero young members. Their ideas are ridiculous and only the religious wackjobs run the party. 

Republicans are against abortion, but pro death penalty?
Republicans are patriotic, but majority in Texas &amp; Georgia want to secede?
Republicans think Sarah Palin is some kind of leader?
Republicans leaders are Ann Coulter &amp; Rush Limbaugh? Lol
Republicans think it is ok to spend billions on wars, but not healthcare?
Republicans call Obama socialist but Bush gave away trillions? 
Republicans believe stem cell research is bad?
Republicans only issue is abortion? That&#039;s all I ever hear.


Republicans are shrinking down to nothing and will never be more than a regional party anymore. Their who philosophy is out of touch with the mainstream. I actually voted for W, but will never vote Republican again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the Republicans ARE finished. They are attracting zero young members. Their ideas are ridiculous and only the religious wackjobs run the party. </p>
<p>Republicans are against abortion, but pro death penalty?<br />
Republicans are patriotic, but majority in Texas &amp; Georgia want to secede?<br />
Republicans think Sarah Palin is some kind of leader?<br />
Republicans leaders are Ann Coulter &amp; Rush Limbaugh? Lol<br />
Republicans think it is ok to spend billions on wars, but not healthcare?<br />
Republicans call Obama socialist but Bush gave away trillions?<br />
Republicans believe stem cell research is bad?<br />
Republicans only issue is abortion? That&#8217;s all I ever hear.</p>
<p>Republicans are shrinking down to nothing and will never be more than a regional party anymore. Their who philosophy is out of touch with the mainstream. I actually voted for W, but will never vote Republican again.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45433</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 15:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A vicious, rabid, lethal article....but accurate</description>
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		<title>By: Suthiano</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45391</link>
		<dc:creator>Suthiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 02:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Mr. Friedman was chairman of the New York Fed at the same time he was a member of Goldman’s board. He also had a substantial stake in the firm as the Fed was crafting a solution to keep Wall Street banks afloat,”

Hahaha, if Friedman is resigning because of his ties to Goldman Sachs, then the whole goddamn government/federal reserve should resign.

GOLDMAN SACHS IS ON SOME EVIL TIP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Mr. Friedman was chairman of the New York Fed at the same time he was a member of Goldman’s board. He also had a substantial stake in the firm as the Fed was crafting a solution to keep Wall Street banks afloat,”</p>
<p>Hahaha, if Friedman is resigning because of his ties to Goldman Sachs, then the whole goddamn government/federal reserve should resign.</p>
<p>GOLDMAN SACHS IS ON SOME EVIL TIP!</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45386</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 00:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T-C thanks for posting. It&#039;s great to see that VHeadlines is back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T-C thanks for posting. It&#8217;s great to see that VHeadlines is back.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Chavizta</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45382</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Chavizta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BIG M: ARE YOU CRAZY? WE NEED MORE GOVERNMENT, AND LESS PRIVATE SECTOR.  THE POWERFUL PRIVATE SECTOR IS REALLY THE CAUSE OF POVERTY ALL OVER THE WORLD AND IN USA.

GO TO HTTP://WWW.MARXISTS.ORG AND LEARN WHY THE PRIVATE-SECTOR IS THE ENEMY OF PEOPLE, NOT THE STATE.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BIG M: ARE YOU CRAZY? WE NEED MORE GOVERNMENT, AND LESS PRIVATE SECTOR.  THE POWERFUL PRIVATE SECTOR IS REALLY THE CAUSE OF POVERTY ALL OVER THE WORLD AND IN USA.</p>
<p>GO TO HTTP://WWW.MARXISTS.ORG AND LEARN WHY THE PRIVATE-SECTOR IS THE ENEMY OF PEOPLE, NOT THE STATE.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Chavizta</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-gop-is-finished-stick-a-fork-in-it/#comment-45380</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Chavizta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 23:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MIKE WHITNEY: I wish you were right, but remember that millions of americans are uneducated and dumbed down.  In fact here is a good article about how most US citizens are too dumbed down even with internet and computers americans get into facebook, myspace and porn-sites instead of philosophy, science and news sites:

USA CITIZENS HAVE BEEN DUMBED DOWN BY THE USA CAPITALIST GOVERNMENT

Chris Herz: US citizens have been relentlessly propagandized and &quot;dumbed down&quot;

http://vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=79576

VHeadline&#039;s Washington DC-based commentarist Chris Herz writes:  As a young field grade officer, Hugo Chavez Frias was witness from the inside to the massive repression of its own helpless citizens by the then supposedly democratic government of Venezuela.  Disgusted with shedding the blood of those whom his service was sworn to protect this obscure soldier attempted a coup against the violent corruption of the Fourth Republic.  The rest is history.

This phenomenon is not uncommon in today&#039;s world.  Remember, it was a young Russian subaltern who instead of attacking Boris Yeltsin and the people of Moscow disobeyed his orders and turned his tank around to attend his real duty:  To defend the citizens. That was the day the Soviet Union died. Then in Serbia, the army and the police refused their orders to fire on their own kinfolk.  At that moment the dictator Milosevic was history!

I am forced to think of this reading in Le Monde Diplomatique how the French Army is using an old Soviet base in Germany to train for the suppression of uprisings in the Paris suburbs.  And here in the USA the imperial Army is being made to reorganize itself for a role in what is laughably called &quot;law enforcement&quot;.  Nervously its leaders prepare for the day when the battle of Fallujah will be re-fought in Detroit.  Even with the heavy drain on its limited manpower this force retains 20,000 men in the homeland security forces.  

What they will be defending, of course is the sort of law the bandits now plundering the US state enforce against everyone but themselves.  How long the Army&#039;s morale will bear this is anyone&#039;s guess.

Nothing is more destructive to good order and military discipline than the misuse of an army in the suppression of democracy and its own people.  Such forces become what we saw in Argentina, for instance.  A military accustomed to assaulting its own unarmed civilians succumbed in the Malvinas almost immediately to a much smaller British professional force.

But as state after state loses political legitimacy what is left to a ruling oligarchy but to attempt to rest their regime upon their military command?  A government like that of the Fourth Republic or like the USA now, is only a life-support system for a bunch of corrupt kleptocrats.  And surely we have now enough experience with the corporate, bureaucratized state whether Soviet or capitalist to understand this is what it always must come to.

US citizens have been relentlessly propagandized and &quot;dumbed down&quot; by a corporate media for generations now.  But this same people are also very heavily armed and exploit language in the national constitution to insist they keep these arms.  For they also sense what is being done to them.

Last week two of my young journeymen took me with them to the country and with some other young men we met there we all had a merry time blazing away at targets with a quite considerable arsenal.  I was amazed that among four men there were no less than a dozen weapons, two of which were but slightly modified modern military assault rifles.  Each of which with a few minutes attention from any skilled machinist could become a light machine gun.  There also were three Russian rifles and one German of World War vintage.  Police-type shotguns and pistols completed the armory.

Here in the exurban landscape of the USA such people are far from unusual.  In the cities thousands keep pistols in their homes.  It is also now commonplace to hear from all sides of the need for rebellion. Most of these persons are deeply suspicious of both our ruling factions.  They understand that the Republicans and the Democrats each represent no one other than factions of the elites.  They dimly comprehend in a politically naive way that for many years the people have been abused. Manipulated, whipsawed between the two, for the glutting of what is now openly a parasitical elite.  This is certainly just what I heard from my young colleagues.

Since 1789 the constitutional order of the USA has been a device for the organized plunder of nature and society by this elite.  Most major change in US history, whether the separation from the British Empire, or the liberation of the slaves has not been addressed politically.  It has taken armed struggle to really change things. The time is not distant when the regime in Washington must consider how to disarm the peasants.  After all, if they wish to reduce wages to the Chinese or Mexican level, as they certainly do, they can hardly leave all these weapons in the hands of so many workers.

The Democratic Party have had for years impulses to start on this task.  But the Republicans have cynically exploited this fear of disarmament in the face of corrupt and autocratic governance, so for the moment our armed workers exist in this fracture between the two ruling factions. But just as the task of the modern Democratic Party is now to figure out how to withdraw Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid from the people the task of the next Republican regime will be to discover some means of national disarmament.

An autocratic warfare state cannot do otherwise.

From the imperial capital

Chris Herz
chris.herz@vheadline.com

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MIKE WHITNEY: I wish you were right, but remember that millions of americans are uneducated and dumbed down.  In fact here is a good article about how most US citizens are too dumbed down even with internet and computers americans get into facebook, myspace and porn-sites instead of philosophy, science and news sites:</p>
<p>USA CITIZENS HAVE BEEN DUMBED DOWN BY THE USA CAPITALIST GOVERNMENT</p>
<p>Chris Herz: US citizens have been relentlessly propagandized and &#8220;dumbed down&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=79576" rel="nofollow">http://vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=79576</a></p>
<p>VHeadline&#8217;s Washington DC-based commentarist Chris Herz writes:  As a young field grade officer, Hugo Chavez Frias was witness from the inside to the massive repression of its own helpless citizens by the then supposedly democratic government of Venezuela.  Disgusted with shedding the blood of those whom his service was sworn to protect this obscure soldier attempted a coup against the violent corruption of the Fourth Republic.  The rest is history.</p>
<p>This phenomenon is not uncommon in today&#8217;s world.  Remember, it was a young Russian subaltern who instead of attacking Boris Yeltsin and the people of Moscow disobeyed his orders and turned his tank around to attend his real duty:  To defend the citizens. That was the day the Soviet Union died. Then in Serbia, the army and the police refused their orders to fire on their own kinfolk.  At that moment the dictator Milosevic was history!</p>
<p>I am forced to think of this reading in Le Monde Diplomatique how the French Army is using an old Soviet base in Germany to train for the suppression of uprisings in the Paris suburbs.  And here in the USA the imperial Army is being made to reorganize itself for a role in what is laughably called &#8220;law enforcement&#8221;.  Nervously its leaders prepare for the day when the battle of Fallujah will be re-fought in Detroit.  Even with the heavy drain on its limited manpower this force retains 20,000 men in the homeland security forces.  </p>
<p>What they will be defending, of course is the sort of law the bandits now plundering the US state enforce against everyone but themselves.  How long the Army&#8217;s morale will bear this is anyone&#8217;s guess.</p>
<p>Nothing is more destructive to good order and military discipline than the misuse of an army in the suppression of democracy and its own people.  Such forces become what we saw in Argentina, for instance.  A military accustomed to assaulting its own unarmed civilians succumbed in the Malvinas almost immediately to a much smaller British professional force.</p>
<p>But as state after state loses political legitimacy what is left to a ruling oligarchy but to attempt to rest their regime upon their military command?  A government like that of the Fourth Republic or like the USA now, is only a life-support system for a bunch of corrupt kleptocrats.  And surely we have now enough experience with the corporate, bureaucratized state whether Soviet or capitalist to understand this is what it always must come to.</p>
<p>US citizens have been relentlessly propagandized and &#8220;dumbed down&#8221; by a corporate media for generations now.  But this same people are also very heavily armed and exploit language in the national constitution to insist they keep these arms.  For they also sense what is being done to them.</p>
<p>Last week two of my young journeymen took me with them to the country and with some other young men we met there we all had a merry time blazing away at targets with a quite considerable arsenal.  I was amazed that among four men there were no less than a dozen weapons, two of which were but slightly modified modern military assault rifles.  Each of which with a few minutes attention from any skilled machinist could become a light machine gun.  There also were three Russian rifles and one German of World War vintage.  Police-type shotguns and pistols completed the armory.</p>
<p>Here in the exurban landscape of the USA such people are far from unusual.  In the cities thousands keep pistols in their homes.  It is also now commonplace to hear from all sides of the need for rebellion. Most of these persons are deeply suspicious of both our ruling factions.  They understand that the Republicans and the Democrats each represent no one other than factions of the elites.  They dimly comprehend in a politically naive way that for many years the people have been abused. Manipulated, whipsawed between the two, for the glutting of what is now openly a parasitical elite.  This is certainly just what I heard from my young colleagues.</p>
<p>Since 1789 the constitutional order of the USA has been a device for the organized plunder of nature and society by this elite.  Most major change in US history, whether the separation from the British Empire, or the liberation of the slaves has not been addressed politically.  It has taken armed struggle to really change things. The time is not distant when the regime in Washington must consider how to disarm the peasants.  After all, if they wish to reduce wages to the Chinese or Mexican level, as they certainly do, they can hardly leave all these weapons in the hands of so many workers.</p>
<p>The Democratic Party have had for years impulses to start on this task.  But the Republicans have cynically exploited this fear of disarmament in the face of corrupt and autocratic governance, so for the moment our armed workers exist in this fracture between the two ruling factions. But just as the task of the modern Democratic Party is now to figure out how to withdraw Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid from the people the task of the next Republican regime will be to discover some means of national disarmament.</p>
<p>An autocratic warfare state cannot do otherwise.</p>
<p>From the imperial capital</p>
<p>Chris Herz<br />
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		<title>By: Troxel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troxel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 22:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans are a morally bankrupt political party.  To emphasis this point just look at the position they took regarding offshore accounts hiding profits from taxation, “This practice should not be investigated or stopped since it would create an increasing tax burden on businesses.” What a load.  Anyone who hides profits in offshore accounts is basically stealing from the American people, in that they will face higher taxes to pay for lost revenues. The correct stance our government should take is that any offshore accounts that cannot promptly show a 1040 income tax form to associate with these profits should have them completely confiscated. This would result with many businesses permanently moving operations to other countries.  To counter this, the US government must then put in place import tariffs on all non-agricultural products; resulting in the end of free trade.  American businesses have been leaking out of the country for years with no effort to keep them here.  American manufacturing bases is a ghost of its former self.  Innovation, the driving ideal that starts new businesses and manufacturing, is dead.  No money to bank innovation and secrecy orders to restrain it, if it competes with carbon venders.  Welcome to present day America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans are a morally bankrupt political party.  To emphasis this point just look at the position they took regarding offshore accounts hiding profits from taxation, “This practice should not be investigated or stopped since it would create an increasing tax burden on businesses.” What a load.  Anyone who hides profits in offshore accounts is basically stealing from the American people, in that they will face higher taxes to pay for lost revenues. The correct stance our government should take is that any offshore accounts that cannot promptly show a 1040 income tax form to associate with these profits should have them completely confiscated. This would result with many businesses permanently moving operations to other countries.  To counter this, the US government must then put in place import tariffs on all non-agricultural products; resulting in the end of free trade.  American businesses have been leaking out of the country for years with no effort to keep them here.  American manufacturing bases is a ghost of its former self.  Innovation, the driving ideal that starts new businesses and manufacturing, is dead.  No money to bank innovation and secrecy orders to restrain it, if it competes with carbon venders.  Welcome to present day America.</p>
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		<title>By: joed</title>
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		<dc:creator>joed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello Big M,
what you said about guns is just what the govt says about you.  now, who has the best chance in that fight?  advice fer ya&#039;: don&#039;t go to a gun fight with a knife!  now, if you want to stop the govt then just stop buying stuff you dont need. the govt will collapse in short order. 
those 100 million gun owners are just as stupid and shitty as any other amerikan.  if any amerikan was gonna&#039; do something to stop the govt then they woulda&#039; done it years ago.  no, your gun owners aren&#039;t the answer.  killing is not the answer.  stop being a consumer--now thats an answer!  also, non-violent civil-disobedience is probably the very best answer.  put that in your google and learn something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello Big M,<br />
what you said about guns is just what the govt says about you.  now, who has the best chance in that fight?  advice fer ya&#8217;: don&#8217;t go to a gun fight with a knife!  now, if you want to stop the govt then just stop buying stuff you dont need. the govt will collapse in short order.<br />
those 100 million gun owners are just as stupid and shitty as any other amerikan.  if any amerikan was gonna&#8217; do something to stop the govt then they woulda&#8217; done it years ago.  no, your gun owners aren&#8217;t the answer.  killing is not the answer.  stop being a consumer&#8211;now thats an answer!  also, non-violent civil-disobedience is probably the very best answer.  put that in your google and learn something.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh they said the same thing about the dems in 2000, and 2004.  They said the party couldn&#039;t get it together.  Every 8-16 years people get totally fed up with the party in power, and for a few months they say the other side is finished. Neither side has a good track record on much of anything, so you can be sure, after the dems surge, there will be a downfall and we will repeat the same bullsh*t we have done before. It&#039;s all the same party anyway. They just want you to believe otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh they said the same thing about the dems in 2000, and 2004.  They said the party couldn&#8217;t get it together.  Every 8-16 years people get totally fed up with the party in power, and for a few months they say the other side is finished. Neither side has a good track record on much of anything, so you can be sure, after the dems surge, there will be a downfall and we will repeat the same bullsh*t we have done before. It&#8217;s all the same party anyway. They just want you to believe otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: Big M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Big M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 21:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t pay any attention to polls, so I don&#039;t know where Mike got his line that Osama is the most popular American Fascist-in-Chief of modern times, but if it&#039;s true, considering what he&#039;s already done, it&#039;s testament to the enduring stupidity of Americans.

And as for the country &quot;moving Left,&quot; that would explain why all of these &quot;progressive&quot; idiots (progressive is a communist term, by the way) think that government should &quot;solve&quot; every problem known to man. If these jerks would pick their noses up out of their books, and actually strive to use the gray matter upstairs, they&#039;d realize that government is the CAUSE of practically every major problem confronting this country, and will NEVER be the solution.

When I think that these tens of millions of stupid shits have the right to reproduce and vote for people who make laws, I want to start drinking until my kidneys explode. The only hope in the long run for this country is if the nearly 100 million gun owners finally decide they&#039;ve had enough, and instead of killing their families or co-workers, they take care of the right people once and for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t pay any attention to polls, so I don&#8217;t know where Mike got his line that Osama is the most popular American Fascist-in-Chief of modern times, but if it&#8217;s true, considering what he&#8217;s already done, it&#8217;s testament to the enduring stupidity of Americans.</p>
<p>And as for the country &#8220;moving Left,&#8221; that would explain why all of these &#8220;progressive&#8221; idiots (progressive is a communist term, by the way) think that government should &#8220;solve&#8221; every problem known to man. If these jerks would pick their noses up out of their books, and actually strive to use the gray matter upstairs, they&#8217;d realize that government is the CAUSE of practically every major problem confronting this country, and will NEVER be the solution.</p>
<p>When I think that these tens of millions of stupid shits have the right to reproduce and vote for people who make laws, I want to start drinking until my kidneys explode. The only hope in the long run for this country is if the nearly 100 million gun owners finally decide they&#8217;ve had enough, and instead of killing their families or co-workers, they take care of the right people once and for all.</p>
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