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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-dreams-of-grant-park/#comment-46190</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 09:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are about to see just how deep the rabbit hole goes.  

WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress and the Obama administration have two options when it comes to global warming: write a new law to deal with it or use existing ones to do the job.

Both approaches await scrutiny by lawmakers and regulators Monday.

The House Energy and Commerce Committee planned to begin work on legislation that, for the first time, would limit the emissions blamed for global warming.

&quot;It is clear that the choice is no longer between doing something and doing nothing to curb greenhouse gas pollution. It is a choice between regulation and legislation,&quot; said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., &quot;We believe that the bill we have crafted in the Energy and Commerce Committee ... protects consumers and provides businesses with the certainty they need to adapt to our clean energy future.&quot;

Across the Potomac River in Virginia, the Environmental Protection Agency scheduled a public hearing on a proposal that could lead to regulating six greenhouse gases under existing law.

The House Energy committee wants to complete work and vote on the climate and energy bill by the end of the week. But Republicans concerned that the 932-page proposal will drive up energy prices and harm the economy are expected to drag out the proceedings by offering hundreds of amendments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are about to see just how deep the rabbit hole goes.  </p>
<p>WASHINGTON (AP) — Congress and the Obama administration have two options when it comes to global warming: write a new law to deal with it or use existing ones to do the job.</p>
<p>Both approaches await scrutiny by lawmakers and regulators Monday.</p>
<p>The House Energy and Commerce Committee planned to begin work on legislation that, for the first time, would limit the emissions blamed for global warming.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is clear that the choice is no longer between doing something and doing nothing to curb greenhouse gas pollution. It is a choice between regulation and legislation,&#8221; said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., &#8220;We believe that the bill we have crafted in the Energy and Commerce Committee &#8230; protects consumers and provides businesses with the certainty they need to adapt to our clean energy future.&#8221;</p>
<p>Across the Potomac River in Virginia, the Environmental Protection Agency scheduled a public hearing on a proposal that could lead to regulating six greenhouse gases under existing law.</p>
<p>The House Energy committee wants to complete work and vote on the climate and energy bill by the end of the week. But Republicans concerned that the 932-page proposal will drive up energy prices and harm the economy are expected to drag out the proceedings by offering hundreds of amendments</p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-dreams-of-grant-park/#comment-46164</link>
		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 03:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don,

Yoda as philosopher?

OK.  I guess, but Yoda is fictional.  We need a real, flesh and blood theorist who can cut through the capitalist crap and give those on the not-right something more than the &#039;language of change&#039; ... which means the rhetoric of change, not the reality of change.

Sure, sometimes fiction can be more real than reality ... and often is.  A classic example would be some of the works of Gore Vidal ... but as they remain in the class &#039;fiction&#039; they are discounted as unreal.  Still, his Lincoln is undoubtedly closer to the real Lincoln than any of the tripe foisted upon us by the alleged biographers of the man.

As far as there ever being a REAL American left ... I don&#039;t think so.  The need to reeducate against the extant biases is a task beyond our ability.  However, a class war may have the potential for clearing the air for a bit.  But, I am not at all hopeful.  The left has sold out too often for there to be anyone who can really make a difference, for all of our ranting to the contrary on this site.

The masterful rhetoric coming out of the right (idiots like Limblah ... spelling intended) that we have been taken over by socialists is crap.  But, it does help to solidify the illusion that O&#039;Bushma is not Bushian in his policies, in his behavior, in his actions, in his thoughts and in his rhetoric.  

We have been duped.

Again ...

RG the LG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don,</p>
<p>Yoda as philosopher?</p>
<p>OK.  I guess, but Yoda is fictional.  We need a real, flesh and blood theorist who can cut through the capitalist crap and give those on the not-right something more than the &#8216;language of change&#8217; &#8230; which means the rhetoric of change, not the reality of change.</p>
<p>Sure, sometimes fiction can be more real than reality &#8230; and often is.  A classic example would be some of the works of Gore Vidal &#8230; but as they remain in the class &#8216;fiction&#8217; they are discounted as unreal.  Still, his Lincoln is undoubtedly closer to the real Lincoln than any of the tripe foisted upon us by the alleged biographers of the man.</p>
<p>As far as there ever being a REAL American left &#8230; I don&#8217;t think so.  The need to reeducate against the extant biases is a task beyond our ability.  However, a class war may have the potential for clearing the air for a bit.  But, I am not at all hopeful.  The left has sold out too often for there to be anyone who can really make a difference, for all of our ranting to the contrary on this site.</p>
<p>The masterful rhetoric coming out of the right (idiots like Limblah &#8230; spelling intended) that we have been taken over by socialists is crap.  But, it does help to solidify the illusion that O&#8217;Bushma is not Bushian in his policies, in his behavior, in his actions, in his thoughts and in his rhetoric.  </p>
<p>We have been duped.</p>
<p>Again &#8230;</p>
<p>RG the LG</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-dreams-of-grant-park/#comment-46115</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 14:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent this e-mail to media and will it do any good?  And now a word from our sponsor. 

   Morning,
&quot;You must unlearn what you have learned.&quot; &quot;Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will...&quot;  Yoda

   I guess you can look at the dark path in a number of way&#039;s.  I conducted a survey on my own if that&#039;s alright and I asked people at the barber shop post office my shop if they thought what we see going on with so called leaders and most of the people we see on TV and this fighting instead of working together is going to work out well.  Almost to the person the answer was no.  The fighting we see does it have anything to do with average people or is this fighting kind of for a few who think they are at the top and what they think is very important.  The people who watch this fighting/nonsense are just here for the benefit of a few so as to have fun and games as we slowly go down the drain in slow motion?  I watched a program last night on National Geographic about the progress being made in solar and just maybe that would be a real good place to unlearn what you have learned and think anew help people with an imagination and are trying.  I know it&#039;s hard to understand that moving ahead in the same way is not going to work out well but it is what it is.  I have to admit what we see from most who could make a difference is not to bright compared to what needs to be done.  Anyway will the fighting stop and working together happen?  One quote and that is global warming will be good for Alaska as they canoe over the telephone poles.  Summer then winter then summer will show us more. Funny how time keeps moving into the future well you could point a flash light into the sky and go the other way. 

     Don</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent this e-mail to media and will it do any good?  And now a word from our sponsor. </p>
<p>   Morning,<br />
&#8220;You must unlearn what you have learned.&#8221; &#8220;Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will&#8230;&#8221;  Yoda</p>
<p>   I guess you can look at the dark path in a number of way&#8217;s.  I conducted a survey on my own if that&#8217;s alright and I asked people at the barber shop post office my shop if they thought what we see going on with so called leaders and most of the people we see on TV and this fighting instead of working together is going to work out well.  Almost to the person the answer was no.  The fighting we see does it have anything to do with average people or is this fighting kind of for a few who think they are at the top and what they think is very important.  The people who watch this fighting/nonsense are just here for the benefit of a few so as to have fun and games as we slowly go down the drain in slow motion?  I watched a program last night on National Geographic about the progress being made in solar and just maybe that would be a real good place to unlearn what you have learned and think anew help people with an imagination and are trying.  I know it&#8217;s hard to understand that moving ahead in the same way is not going to work out well but it is what it is.  I have to admit what we see from most who could make a difference is not to bright compared to what needs to be done.  Anyway will the fighting stop and working together happen?  One quote and that is global warming will be good for Alaska as they canoe over the telephone poles.  Summer then winter then summer will show us more. Funny how time keeps moving into the future well you could point a flash light into the sky and go the other way. </p>
<p>     Don</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-dreams-of-grant-park/#comment-46113</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Surge in oil, gas and coal industry lobbying against Democratic leadership on &quot;cap and trade&quot; legislation. 
   
 America&#039;s oil, gas and coal industry has increased its lobbying budget by 50%, with key players spending $44.5m in the first three months of this year in an intense effort to cut off support for Barack Obama&#039;s plan to build a clean energy economy. Guardian uk

   Right there is the 5% hard at work with those millions they like so much.  The other 95%  is a big number and so far doesn&#039;t know the truth.  It&#039;s strange how it works.  Maybe 30 seconds on NBC news.  The West Antarctic ice sheet is disintegrating and now a word from our sponsor or another 30 seconds the sea ice in the Arctic will be ice free in the summer in as little as 7 years and they always forget to mention the little fact that the weather not the climate changes in the Northern Hemisphere and very bad for human&#039;s life forms in general and plants you know crops.  And now a word from our sponsor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surge in oil, gas and coal industry lobbying against Democratic leadership on &#8220;cap and trade&#8221; legislation. </p>
<p> America&#8217;s oil, gas and coal industry has increased its lobbying budget by 50%, with key players spending $44.5m in the first three months of this year in an intense effort to cut off support for Barack Obama&#8217;s plan to build a clean energy economy. Guardian uk</p>
<p>   Right there is the 5% hard at work with those millions they like so much.  The other 95%  is a big number and so far doesn&#8217;t know the truth.  It&#8217;s strange how it works.  Maybe 30 seconds on NBC news.  The West Antarctic ice sheet is disintegrating and now a word from our sponsor or another 30 seconds the sea ice in the Arctic will be ice free in the summer in as little as 7 years and they always forget to mention the little fact that the weather not the climate changes in the Northern Hemisphere and very bad for human&#8217;s life forms in general and plants you know crops.  And now a word from our sponsor.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-dreams-of-grant-park/#comment-46110</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The announcement indicates that sponsors have enough Democratic votes to push a bill past its first legislative hurdle, the House Energy and Commerce Committee, as early as next week. But the patchwork of concessions necessary to win over champions of industrial and regional interests weakened the initiative, leaving it far short of the global warming gas reductions that scientists insist are necessary to stave off catastrophic climate change. Time cnn 

        Champions of industrial and regional interests weakened the initiative and let me add the initiative in the first place was a joke on my kid&#039;s and there kid&#039;s.  My son is 28 years old.  We human&#039;s have been lucky for thousands of years always&#039; a second chance not this time.  I have to admit the next two years what the Earth has to show us and how these so called leaders handle it will be amazing to see.  We slowdown and use the knowledge or it happens anyway without the knowledge and so far that is the plan.  Read DV so called leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The announcement indicates that sponsors have enough Democratic votes to push a bill past its first legislative hurdle, the House Energy and Commerce Committee, as early as next week. But the patchwork of concessions necessary to win over champions of industrial and regional interests weakened the initiative, leaving it far short of the global warming gas reductions that scientists insist are necessary to stave off catastrophic climate change. Time cnn </p>
<p>        Champions of industrial and regional interests weakened the initiative and let me add the initiative in the first place was a joke on my kid&#8217;s and there kid&#8217;s.  My son is 28 years old.  We human&#8217;s have been lucky for thousands of years always&#8217; a second chance not this time.  I have to admit the next two years what the Earth has to show us and how these so called leaders handle it will be amazing to see.  We slowdown and use the knowledge or it happens anyway without the knowledge and so far that is the plan.  Read DV so called leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-dreams-of-grant-park/#comment-46107</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 12:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.  Russell

  I watched National Geographic last night a two hour program on the book movie Angels &amp; Demons very very interesting.  I think the Earth is 4 billion plus years old.  Oh boy house arrest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Men are born ignorant, not stupid. They are made stupid by education.  Russell</p>
<p>  I watched National Geographic last night a two hour program on the book movie Angels &amp; Demons very very interesting.  I think the Earth is 4 billion plus years old.  Oh boy house arrest.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-dreams-of-grant-park/#comment-46073</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 22:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>americans can&#039;t for at least decades change the most important aspect of US governance: that of power.
power, and thus opportunity to rule over about 90+% of amers, belongs to thsoe who possess it.
roughly 5% of amer pop utterly controls cia, fbi, city police, spies of all kind, msm, and, of course armed, services.

those people who strongly or to any degree control  power have ruled us with iron grip since at least 10 K  yrs.
so, 10k yrs of brutal rule by ancient lords, kings, dukes, princes cannot be changed  unless low[er] classes have own lords, kings, marshals, generals. 

since low classes have no power of any kind, low class people must educate their children at home about this fact.
else, perpetual suzerainty awaits them.
to kids, gods are parents and their word is from god. Tell children not to fret about french, history, flag, higher math, authors, etc., just learn to read and write and think for self.  That much can be done. The rest?  Well, we&#039;ll see?! 
even then, with 90% of well educated kids becoming adults, ruling class may give its power only after at least some bloodshed.
10K yrs of utter mental slavery proves it. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>americans can&#8217;t for at least decades change the most important aspect of US governance: that of power.<br />
power, and thus opportunity to rule over about 90+% of amers, belongs to thsoe who possess it.<br />
roughly 5% of amer pop utterly controls cia, fbi, city police, spies of all kind, msm, and, of course armed, services.</p>
<p>those people who strongly or to any degree control  power have ruled us with iron grip since at least 10 K  yrs.<br />
so, 10k yrs of brutal rule by ancient lords, kings, dukes, princes cannot be changed  unless low[er] classes have own lords, kings, marshals, generals. </p>
<p>since low classes have no power of any kind, low class people must educate their children at home about this fact.<br />
else, perpetual suzerainty awaits them.<br />
to kids, gods are parents and their word is from god. Tell children not to fret about french, history, flag, higher math, authors, etc., just learn to read and write and think for self.  That much can be done. The rest?  Well, we&#8217;ll see?!<br />
even then, with 90% of well educated kids becoming adults, ruling class may give its power only after at least some bloodshed.<br />
10K yrs of utter mental slavery proves it. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Boyd Collins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-dreams-of-grant-park/#comment-46056</link>
		<dc:creator>Boyd Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How could the dreams of Grant Park be fulfilled without an intellectually vigorous and organized left?  Why are so many people seemingly surprised that Obama has turned out to be the servant of ruling corporate and military interests?  After a certain point, being surprised at such apparent &quot;reversals&quot; indicates that current political power structures are being deliberately ignored.   Obama would never have been allowed to be elected if he had not pledged himself to wholeheartedly serve the interests of Wall Street and the national security apparatus.  And he has enthusiastically fulfilled his end of the bargain.  Their marketing strategy was to divert the rising energies of the political left toward electing Obama, who would make whatever promises were necessary to attract these energies, then build on the accomplishments of the Bush administration once his victory was confirmed.

Might it not be time to consider an alternative?  To build on the current political formations which represent real alternatives to the current variations of corporate domination?  My own choice is my membership in the International Socialist Organization, which fights for a world free of exploitation.  I realize that taking sides in this way will cause some to dismiss everything said as being merely ideological, but I&#039;m willing to take that risk in order to take a concrete step toward justice.  I can longer confine my activism to denunciations, but have got to start joining and supporting networks of change.  Stop &quot;hoping&quot; for anything from the corporate elite in the U.S. who are served by the political class.  Move toward real alternatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How could the dreams of Grant Park be fulfilled without an intellectually vigorous and organized left?  Why are so many people seemingly surprised that Obama has turned out to be the servant of ruling corporate and military interests?  After a certain point, being surprised at such apparent &#8220;reversals&#8221; indicates that current political power structures are being deliberately ignored.   Obama would never have been allowed to be elected if he had not pledged himself to wholeheartedly serve the interests of Wall Street and the national security apparatus.  And he has enthusiastically fulfilled his end of the bargain.  Their marketing strategy was to divert the rising energies of the political left toward electing Obama, who would make whatever promises were necessary to attract these energies, then build on the accomplishments of the Bush administration once his victory was confirmed.</p>
<p>Might it not be time to consider an alternative?  To build on the current political formations which represent real alternatives to the current variations of corporate domination?  My own choice is my membership in the International Socialist Organization, which fights for a world free of exploitation.  I realize that taking sides in this way will cause some to dismiss everything said as being merely ideological, but I&#8217;m willing to take that risk in order to take a concrete step toward justice.  I can longer confine my activism to denunciations, but have got to start joining and supporting networks of change.  Stop &#8220;hoping&#8221; for anything from the corporate elite in the U.S. who are served by the political class.  Move toward real alternatives.</p>
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