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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-barbarians-at-the-gate/#comment-46516</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 06:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;During times of universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.&quot;

George Orwell

GM is one of Britain&#039;s best revolutionaries, and we&#039;re lucky to have him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;During times of universal deceit telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.&#8221;</p>
<p>George Orwell</p>
<p>GM is one of Britain&#8217;s best revolutionaries, and we&#8217;re lucky to have him.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Hatch</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-barbarians-at-the-gate/#comment-46480</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry. *escalator.</description>
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		<title>By: John S. Hatch</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-barbarians-at-the-gate/#comment-46479</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously 9/11 (inside job) succedded in making a lot of people into scared little rabbits and proved a bonanza for forces of repression everywhere.

In Montreal recently, a woman on a Metro elevator was arrested, handcuffed, and given a $420 ticket. her &#039;crime&#039;? Not holding the handrails.

And of course our esteemed Mounties need no excuse to taser anyone, including an 83 year old confused heart patient in his hospital bed, and children.

In Britain police fired seven bullets into the head of an innocent man. Consequences? Of course not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously 9/11 (inside job) succedded in making a lot of people into scared little rabbits and proved a bonanza for forces of repression everywhere.</p>
<p>In Montreal recently, a woman on a Metro elevator was arrested, handcuffed, and given a $420 ticket. her &#8216;crime&#8217;? Not holding the handrails.</p>
<p>And of course our esteemed Mounties need no excuse to taser anyone, including an 83 year old confused heart patient in his hospital bed, and children.</p>
<p>In Britain police fired seven bullets into the head of an innocent man. Consequences? Of course not.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-barbarians-at-the-gate/#comment-46476</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 22:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do not think monbiot&#039;s thesis is of much value. It looks at a person&#039;s powerlesness while confronting longstanding institutions from a quite narrow point of view instead of the widest possible.

just excluding deleterious and vitiating efects of the cults [commonly called religions] on what we are becoming [we never just are; we are always becoming] occludes an elucidation how we became what we are.

most of the observers became and  are becoming  frightened, angry, sad. But then who wld not be scared facing institutionalized lying, deceiving, or of an one party system like in US with its cia, spies and spying, city police, fbi, socalled drugwars, etcetc.

what the hell is new in US or UK or in most lands? Had we not had police states for at least 8K yrs. And don&#039;t we have a police state in US now?
and above else a constitution with one party! So what can we expect from one party sytem? Which teaches children to become near- or total serfs to the lying/cheating/corrupt institutions?
more enserfment, not less! Especially if US becomes poorer along with planet! tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do not think monbiot&#8217;s thesis is of much value. It looks at a person&#8217;s powerlesness while confronting longstanding institutions from a quite narrow point of view instead of the widest possible.</p>
<p>just excluding deleterious and vitiating efects of the cults [commonly called religions] on what we are becoming [we never just are; we are always becoming] occludes an elucidation how we became what we are.</p>
<p>most of the observers became and  are becoming  frightened, angry, sad. But then who wld not be scared facing institutionalized lying, deceiving, or of an one party system like in US with its cia, spies and spying, city police, fbi, socalled drugwars, etcetc.</p>
<p>what the hell is new in US or UK or in most lands? Had we not had police states for at least 8K yrs. And don&#8217;t we have a police state in US now?<br />
and above else a constitution with one party! So what can we expect from one party sytem? Which teaches children to become near- or total serfs to the lying/cheating/corrupt institutions?<br />
more enserfment, not less! Especially if US becomes poorer along with planet! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-barbarians-at-the-gate/#comment-46474</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Because ACPO is not a public body but a private limited company, the three bodies are exempt from freedom of information laws and other kinds of public accountability, even though they are funded by the Home Office and deploy police officers from regional forces.&#039;

The sentence above is the most telling - ACPO is unelected and unaccountable. Their spokespeople are often on the media and were even giving evidence to a parliamentary committee the other day on policing methods. 

I quote Milton Mayer again - 
&quot;What no one seemed to notice was the ever widening gap between the government and the people.  And it became always wider.. the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway . . . (it) gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about . . .and kept us so busy with continuous changes and  &#039;crises&#039; and so fascinated . ..  by the machinations of the &#039;national enemies,&#039; without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. . .

Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, &#039;regretted,&#039; that unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these &#039;little measures&#039;. . . must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. . . .Each act. . . is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow.

You don&#039;t want to act, or even talk, alone. . . you don&#039;t want to &#039;go out of your way to make trouble.&#039; . . .But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That&#039;s the difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. . . .You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things your father. . . could never have imagined.&quot; :

From Milton Mayer
 They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45 
(Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955) 
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11845.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Because ACPO is not a public body but a private limited company, the three bodies are exempt from freedom of information laws and other kinds of public accountability, even though they are funded by the Home Office and deploy police officers from regional forces.&#8217;</p>
<p>The sentence above is the most telling &#8211; ACPO is unelected and unaccountable. Their spokespeople are often on the media and were even giving evidence to a parliamentary committee the other day on policing methods. </p>
<p>I quote Milton Mayer again &#8211;<br />
&#8220;What no one seemed to notice was the ever widening gap between the government and the people.  And it became always wider.. the whole process of its coming into being, was above all diverting, it provided an excuse not to think for people who did not want to think anyway . . . (it) gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about . . .and kept us so busy with continuous changes and  &#8216;crises&#8217; and so fascinated . ..  by the machinations of the &#8216;national enemies,&#8217; without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. . .</p>
<p>Each step was so small, so inconsequential, so well explained or, on occasion, &#8216;regretted,&#8217; that unless one understood what the whole thing was in principle, what all these &#8216;little measures&#8217;. . . must some day lead to, one no more saw it developing from day to day than a farmer in his field sees the corn growing. . . .Each act. . . is worse than the last, but only a little worse. You wait for the next and the next. You wait for one great shocking occasion, thinking that others, when such a shock comes, will join you in resisting somehow.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t want to act, or even talk, alone. . . you don&#8217;t want to &#8216;go out of your way to make trouble.&#8217; . . .But the one great shocking occasion, when tens or hundreds or thousands will join with you, never comes. That&#8217;s the difficulty. The forms are all there, all untouched, all reassuring, the houses, the shops, the jobs, the mealtimes, the visits, the concerts, the cinema, the holidays. But the spirit, which you never noticed because you made the lifelong mistake of identifying it with the forms, is changed. Now you live in a world of hate and fear, and the people who hate and fear do not even know it themselves, when everyone is transformed, no one is transformed. . . .You have accepted things you would not have accepted five years ago, a year ago, things your father. . . could never have imagined.&#8221; :</p>
<p>From Milton Mayer<br />
 They Thought They Were Free, The Germans, 1938-45<br />
(Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1955)<br />
<a href="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11845.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article11845.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/the-barbarians-at-the-gate/#comment-46442</link>
		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 16:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally ... an article that states in unequivocal terms the problem ... why the left is a bunch of talkers and NOT actors:

&quot;The principal cause of man’s unhappiness is that he has learnt to stay quietly in his own room. If our needs are not met, if justice is not done, it is because we are not prepared to leave our homes and agitate for change. ...  We do not starve, we are not arbitrarily imprisoned, we may vote, travel and read and write what we wish only because of the political activism of previous generations.&quot;

And, I would add, in the face of all that:  we really don&#039;t care.  If we did, we might get off of our lazy butts and DO something.  Admit it ... we have been co-opted ... and thus we, individually, are comfortable in our complacency!

Me too ...

RG the LG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally &#8230; an article that states in unequivocal terms the problem &#8230; why the left is a bunch of talkers and NOT actors:</p>
<p>&#8220;The principal cause of man’s unhappiness is that he has learnt to stay quietly in his own room. If our needs are not met, if justice is not done, it is because we are not prepared to leave our homes and agitate for change. &#8230;  We do not starve, we are not arbitrarily imprisoned, we may vote, travel and read and write what we wish only because of the political activism of previous generations.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, I would add, in the face of all that:  we really don&#8217;t care.  If we did, we might get off of our lazy butts and DO something.  Admit it &#8230; we have been co-opted &#8230; and thus we, individually, are comfortable in our complacency!</p>
<p>Me too &#8230;</p>
<p>RG the LG</p>
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