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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/obama-and-the-denial-of-genocide/#comment-46220</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>algeria</description>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/obama-and-the-denial-of-genocide/#comment-46196</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 13:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mm,
yes, u are right!
every folk or, rather, its genetic pool,  produces so many rapists, violent robbers, lovers of power, liars, deceivers, wife beaters, gays, pedophiles, et al.
 the greater the lust for power or violence, the greater the chance for these people to become spies, police people, judges, pols, generals!

long ago, our genetic pool may have produced only a few or an odd violent/maladapted person.
such people were quickly spotted and stopped in their aims to usurp a millennial way of life  for adaptation  to one and only reality for survival.
but with rise of shamanism and later cultish thinking  about coming saviors of human race, finally the adaptation for survival and progress had been possibly forever usurped.

muslims, christians, and judiasts all have their respective &#039;saviors&#039;.  This means, that the priestly class of life is teaching that it is OK to commit any crime because &#039;savior&#039;  is coming and IT will wash you clean.

as issaiah says {not god, of course} Come, let us reason together: tho ur sins be like crimson, they will be like wool.... 

even today, deviants may comprise only 5% of pop in any folk. I say this because i do not think that the nature of genetic pool  has changed for worse.
of course, i cld be wrong. Possibly genetics makes us but we also might be making/changing it.  This is a frightful notion; i hope that is not the case.

so, it wld take unity of 95%  of people in any folk to reestablish our adaptation for survival, wellbeing; being interdependent, caring, sharing, talking to each other instead of barking as is now the case in msm;  by clero-politico-educational people.

so, there is hope! tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mm,<br />
yes, u are right!<br />
every folk or, rather, its genetic pool,  produces so many rapists, violent robbers, lovers of power, liars, deceivers, wife beaters, gays, pedophiles, et al.<br />
 the greater the lust for power or violence, the greater the chance for these people to become spies, police people, judges, pols, generals!</p>
<p>long ago, our genetic pool may have produced only a few or an odd violent/maladapted person.<br />
such people were quickly spotted and stopped in their aims to usurp a millennial way of life  for adaptation  to one and only reality for survival.<br />
but with rise of shamanism and later cultish thinking  about coming saviors of human race, finally the adaptation for survival and progress had been possibly forever usurped.</p>
<p>muslims, christians, and judiasts all have their respective &#8217;saviors&#8217;.  This means, that the priestly class of life is teaching that it is OK to commit any crime because &#8217;savior&#8217;  is coming and IT will wash you clean.</p>
<p>as issaiah says {not god, of course} Come, let us reason together: tho ur sins be like crimson, they will be like wool&#8230;. </p>
<p>even today, deviants may comprise only 5% of pop in any folk. I say this because i do not think that the nature of genetic pool  has changed for worse.<br />
of course, i cld be wrong. Possibly genetics makes us but we also might be making/changing it.  This is a frightful notion; i hope that is not the case.</p>
<p>so, it wld take unity of 95%  of people in any folk to reestablish our adaptation for survival, wellbeing; being interdependent, caring, sharing, talking to each other instead of barking as is now the case in msm;  by clero-politico-educational people.</p>
<p>so, there is hope! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/obama-and-the-denial-of-genocide/#comment-46165</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 03:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jake, take it from me, I see the genocide of the indigenous peoples of the world by the European predators as the greatest crime in history. Where certain Armenians were involved, they were evil bastards. I absolve no-one from guilt for crimes committed against others in the name of racial or civilizational supremacism. But I am sure that in all communities that commit atrocities against others, it is a group of psychopaths who are responsible and not the communities as a whole., even if cowardice, indifference and self-interest prevents any cocerted resistance to evil. Just as the Germans were not all Nazis, the Israelis are not all Judeofascists and not all Americans are &#039;Manifest Destiny&#039; zealots. We must, I believe, condemn all atrocities and their perpetrators, exculpate none solely due to their religion or citizenhip, as the Zionists do, and work to promote understanding and amity between all people, otherwise we have no hope of facing the various apocalypses that stare humanity in the face. The greatest enemy of that process is, in my opinion, market  capitalism, and the psychopathic fraction of humanity that benefits from it, not any particular religious , ethnic or national group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jake, take it from me, I see the genocide of the indigenous peoples of the world by the European predators as the greatest crime in history. Where certain Armenians were involved, they were evil bastards. I absolve no-one from guilt for crimes committed against others in the name of racial or civilizational supremacism. But I am sure that in all communities that commit atrocities against others, it is a group of psychopaths who are responsible and not the communities as a whole., even if cowardice, indifference and self-interest prevents any cocerted resistance to evil. Just as the Germans were not all Nazis, the Israelis are not all Judeofascists and not all Americans are &#8216;Manifest Destiny&#8217; zealots. We must, I believe, condemn all atrocities and their perpetrators, exculpate none solely due to their religion or citizenhip, as the Zionists do, and work to promote understanding and amity between all people, otherwise we have no hope of facing the various apocalypses that stare humanity in the face. The greatest enemy of that process is, in my opinion, market  capitalism, and the psychopathic fraction of humanity that benefits from it, not any particular religious , ethnic or national group.</p>
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		<title>By: Jake Threefeathers</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/obama-and-the-denial-of-genocide/#comment-46127</link>
		<dc:creator>Jake Threefeathers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 17:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It takes chutzpah the size of Cherylin Sarkissian&#039;s pre-surgery nose and the size of Kim Kardashian&#039;s post-surgery derriere for these Armenians to gripe about lost Armenian &quot;historic lands&quot; even as they sit on the lost historic lands of the Native Americans who were the victims of the mother of all genocides. Sitting in Glendale, Fresno, Providence, Pawtucket, Hohokus, Towaco and Totowa -  all stolen lands of the Native Americans - these Armenian slicks have the unmitigated gall to play the &quot;eternal victim&quot;. NUTS!

If they want to pontificate, these Armenian slick operators must first pack up and return my lands. As these shameless people leave my lands, they might also pony up that 40 acres and a mule that were promised but never delivered to the freed slaves. 

If the oily, pushy, arrogant Armenian lobby wants to keep profiting from the lucrative &quot;Armenian genocide&quot; cottage industry, it might first push their cohorts, the French Armenians, to apologize and make amends for their participation in the Algerian genocide 1954-1962. Some of the Algerian victims are still alive today - albeit torture-mutilated and disabled for life. 

How about the Armenians apologizing and paying reparations for the massacres committed by the Armenian Dashnak and Hunchak gangs and goon squads who were responsible for slaughtering half million other citizens of the Ottoman Empire - Turks, Kurds, Jews, Muslims and anyone who was non-Armenian - all in the name of carving out an ethnically-pure Armenian state from Ottoman provinces where the Armenians did not constitute more than 17% of the population of those provinces. These Armenian cutthroats were so ruthless and so vicious, they would make today&#039;s Osama bin Laden and his hoodlums look like rank amateurs.

How about the Armenian slicks apologizing and paying for the crimes of the notorious WWII- era, the twenty thousand-strong ARMENIAN BRIGADE. These Armenian killers were tasked by the NAZIS to hunt down and exterminate Jews in German-occupied lands and they performed their grizzly task to the admiration of their Nazi bosses. 

Let&#039;s come to our day. In the 1990s, Armenia launched a sneak attack on its neighbor Azerbaijan.  Armenia&#039;s goons killed thousands of Azeri civilians, took and occupied 20% of Azeri land, displacing one million Azeris who are still homeless today. 

Mulga Mumblebrain, how about expending your considerable talent and energies in getting your Armenian compatriots to fess up to Armenian crimes against humanity and making amends?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It takes chutzpah the size of Cherylin Sarkissian&#8217;s pre-surgery nose and the size of Kim Kardashian&#8217;s post-surgery derriere for these Armenians to gripe about lost Armenian &#8220;historic lands&#8221; even as they sit on the lost historic lands of the Native Americans who were the victims of the mother of all genocides. Sitting in Glendale, Fresno, Providence, Pawtucket, Hohokus, Towaco and Totowa &#8211;  all stolen lands of the Native Americans &#8211; these Armenian slicks have the unmitigated gall to play the &#8220;eternal victim&#8221;. NUTS!</p>
<p>If they want to pontificate, these Armenian slick operators must first pack up and return my lands. As these shameless people leave my lands, they might also pony up that 40 acres and a mule that were promised but never delivered to the freed slaves. </p>
<p>If the oily, pushy, arrogant Armenian lobby wants to keep profiting from the lucrative &#8220;Armenian genocide&#8221; cottage industry, it might first push their cohorts, the French Armenians, to apologize and make amends for their participation in the Algerian genocide 1954-1962. Some of the Algerian victims are still alive today &#8211; albeit torture-mutilated and disabled for life. </p>
<p>How about the Armenians apologizing and paying reparations for the massacres committed by the Armenian Dashnak and Hunchak gangs and goon squads who were responsible for slaughtering half million other citizens of the Ottoman Empire &#8211; Turks, Kurds, Jews, Muslims and anyone who was non-Armenian &#8211; all in the name of carving out an ethnically-pure Armenian state from Ottoman provinces where the Armenians did not constitute more than 17% of the population of those provinces. These Armenian cutthroats were so ruthless and so vicious, they would make today&#8217;s Osama bin Laden and his hoodlums look like rank amateurs.</p>
<p>How about the Armenian slicks apologizing and paying for the crimes of the notorious WWII- era, the twenty thousand-strong ARMENIAN BRIGADE. These Armenian killers were tasked by the NAZIS to hunt down and exterminate Jews in German-occupied lands and they performed their grizzly task to the admiration of their Nazi bosses. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s come to our day. In the 1990s, Armenia launched a sneak attack on its neighbor Azerbaijan.  Armenia&#8217;s goons killed thousands of Azeri civilians, took and occupied 20% of Azeri land, displacing one million Azeris who are still homeless today. </p>
<p>Mulga Mumblebrain, how about expending your considerable talent and energies in getting your Armenian compatriots to fess up to Armenian crimes against humanity and making amends?</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/obama-and-the-denial-of-genocide/#comment-46120</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 15:03:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama has mastered posturing. He postures one way and either reverses before enacting, or reverses after that postured position.

This is classic Dem/liberal modus operandi. It keeps partisans and even those on the quasi left off-guard as one day the MSM recites Obama&#039;s closing Gitmo and than gradually, as he backs off; the same with torture, rendition, exiting Iraq, heavily relying on neocon/lib hawks and fiancial sector (ala Clinton/GW Bush). His has simply provided a different face to the same policies. In foreign matters, it is not so much PNAC as NSC 68 which is the foreign policy continuity from Truman forward to Obama. No break.

Floated are notions of progressive moves such as &quot;decriminalization&quot; of drugs, ending the &quot;war on drugs&quot; but in action NOTHING changes. These are all floated to offer a faux sense of change with no substantive policy changes, in fact NO changes at all. He hires a new Czar on Drugs and the Czar indicates the need to end the war, he&#039;s been hired to preside over. He will NOT end that war. US policies will not change regarding this very powerfully institutionalized War on Drugs, regardless the cost, regardless the pathology that it breeds.

It is this &quot;new&quot; face that was warned here and else where as the ultimate power elite move to put the very face of a &quot;progressive&quot; on the super-hawkish polices that preceded him.

The issue then is, can this political, power move endure? Will there be real chickens that come home with the economy and climate that will not be tolerated? Will there be a stirring where today there is silence among the populous?

These are the real questions. Otherwise it will be yet another imperialism led by the Dems, a repeat of the early 60s, and again in the 90s. It is hard to understand how this imperial empire can in fact continue. And yet....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama has mastered posturing. He postures one way and either reverses before enacting, or reverses after that postured position.</p>
<p>This is classic Dem/liberal modus operandi. It keeps partisans and even those on the quasi left off-guard as one day the MSM recites Obama&#8217;s closing Gitmo and than gradually, as he backs off; the same with torture, rendition, exiting Iraq, heavily relying on neocon/lib hawks and fiancial sector (ala Clinton/GW Bush). His has simply provided a different face to the same policies. In foreign matters, it is not so much PNAC as NSC 68 which is the foreign policy continuity from Truman forward to Obama. No break.</p>
<p>Floated are notions of progressive moves such as &#8220;decriminalization&#8221; of drugs, ending the &#8220;war on drugs&#8221; but in action NOTHING changes. These are all floated to offer a faux sense of change with no substantive policy changes, in fact NO changes at all. He hires a new Czar on Drugs and the Czar indicates the need to end the war, he&#8217;s been hired to preside over. He will NOT end that war. US policies will not change regarding this very powerfully institutionalized War on Drugs, regardless the cost, regardless the pathology that it breeds.</p>
<p>It is this &#8220;new&#8221; face that was warned here and else where as the ultimate power elite move to put the very face of a &#8220;progressive&#8221; on the super-hawkish polices that preceded him.</p>
<p>The issue then is, can this political, power move endure? Will there be real chickens that come home with the economy and climate that will not be tolerated? Will there be a stirring where today there is silence among the populous?</p>
<p>These are the real questions. Otherwise it will be yet another imperialism led by the Dems, a repeat of the early 60s, and again in the 90s. It is hard to understand how this imperial empire can in fact continue. And yet&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Chavizta</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/obama-and-the-denial-of-genocide/#comment-46038</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Chavizta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 14:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GIVE ME 1000 GEORGE W. BUSH OVER 1 LIBERTARIAN FREE-STATER !!

Give me 10000000 Adolf Hitlers, Caligulas and Attila the Hun over 1 Borders Book store and Starbucks Coffee Middle class bourgeoise libertarian, conspiracy theory lunatic !!

Only socialism can save America, not the stupid, dumbfounded Ayn Rand ideology of drug-addicts and immoral libertarianism (which is criminal capitalist-anarchism)

What&#039;s with this far-right libertarian movement in the United States? Even Cindy Sheehan is embracing libertarianism. I was in the Cindy Sheehan site debating with some far-right wing conspiracy theory libertarian nut, and they said socialism is fascism because of USSR and Stalin. Why are so many people in the USA libertarian, who is brainwashing americans into choosing libertarianism and the anti-tax, militant terrorist group Te-Bag as a solution for America&#039;s economic problems.

I give up teaching the inane dumbfounded people of this country that socialism is the only viable alternative for America, because we have realist-scientific historical and present proofs that socialism can work at decreasing poverty-levels and preventing economic collapse (The best evidence is: Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, etc. etc.) those nations are not full-socialists yet but at least are moving further away from capitalist free market ideology.

Libertarianism means more capitalism, and more capitalism can only lead to more concentration of wealth in the upper-classes, not democracy for the people and only socialism can provide a real democracy, not libertarianism.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GIVE ME 1000 GEORGE W. BUSH OVER 1 LIBERTARIAN FREE-STATER !!</p>
<p>Give me 10000000 Adolf Hitlers, Caligulas and Attila the Hun over 1 Borders Book store and Starbucks Coffee Middle class bourgeoise libertarian, conspiracy theory lunatic !!</p>
<p>Only socialism can save America, not the stupid, dumbfounded Ayn Rand ideology of drug-addicts and immoral libertarianism (which is criminal capitalist-anarchism)</p>
<p>What&#8217;s with this far-right libertarian movement in the United States? Even Cindy Sheehan is embracing libertarianism. I was in the Cindy Sheehan site debating with some far-right wing conspiracy theory libertarian nut, and they said socialism is fascism because of USSR and Stalin. Why are so many people in the USA libertarian, who is brainwashing americans into choosing libertarianism and the anti-tax, militant terrorist group Te-Bag as a solution for America&#8217;s economic problems.</p>
<p>I give up teaching the inane dumbfounded people of this country that socialism is the only viable alternative for America, because we have realist-scientific historical and present proofs that socialism can work at decreasing poverty-levels and preventing economic collapse (The best evidence is: Venezuela, Argentina, Ecuador, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, etc. etc.) those nations are not full-socialists yet but at least are moving further away from capitalist free market ideology.</p>
<p>Libertarianism means more capitalism, and more capitalism can only lead to more concentration of wealth in the upper-classes, not democracy for the people and only socialism can provide a real democracy, not libertarianism.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/obama-and-the-denial-of-genocide/#comment-46027</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 10:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The actions of Zionist groups like the ADL in denying the Armenian genocide, while fanatically hounding all who do not subscribe to every tenet the &#039;Holocaust&#039; religion leaves one struggling for words to express the depths of wickedness and duplicity involved. If even one tiny fragment of the Holocaust religion is questioned, all hell breaks loose, yet the guardians of this secular religion engage in a Holocaust denialism so broad that even David Irving would blush at the audacity of it. When one surveys this sordid scene, with Turkey&#039;s continuing outright denial and refusal to make amends, or even give the impression of being willing to do so, the treachery and perfidy of Israel and various Zionists in their complicity with Turkish denialism, and the absolutely predictable role of the US, perhaps the most active genocidal force in history, with the trickster Obama, as one has already come to expect, to the fore, one&#039;s heart sinks at the display of human malevolence. Surely any species that acts in this way, or perhaps one might say any species that has allowed its fate to fall into the hands of fiends who act in this manner, cannot much longer endure before it poisons itself with its own villainy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The actions of Zionist groups like the ADL in denying the Armenian genocide, while fanatically hounding all who do not subscribe to every tenet the &#8216;Holocaust&#8217; religion leaves one struggling for words to express the depths of wickedness and duplicity involved. If even one tiny fragment of the Holocaust religion is questioned, all hell breaks loose, yet the guardians of this secular religion engage in a Holocaust denialism so broad that even David Irving would blush at the audacity of it. When one surveys this sordid scene, with Turkey&#8217;s continuing outright denial and refusal to make amends, or even give the impression of being willing to do so, the treachery and perfidy of Israel and various Zionists in their complicity with Turkish denialism, and the absolutely predictable role of the US, perhaps the most active genocidal force in history, with the trickster Obama, as one has already come to expect, to the fore, one&#8217;s heart sinks at the display of human malevolence. Surely any species that acts in this way, or perhaps one might say any species that has allowed its fate to fall into the hands of fiends who act in this manner, cannot much longer endure before it poisons itself with its own villainy.</p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/obama-and-the-denial-of-genocide/#comment-45996</link>
		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 01:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The US acknowledge genocide?

Hardy har har!

Not likely ... acknowledgment of a country that actively participates in genocidal acts?  Vietnam, Iraq, Cambodia all suffered either directly or indirectly from US policy that tolerated, if not encouraged, genocide. 

RG the LG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The US acknowledge genocide?</p>
<p>Hardy har har!</p>
<p>Not likely &#8230; acknowledgment of a country that actively participates in genocidal acts?  Vietnam, Iraq, Cambodia all suffered either directly or indirectly from US policy that tolerated, if not encouraged, genocide. </p>
<p>RG the LG</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/obama-and-the-denial-of-genocide/#comment-45972</link>
		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect Israel is also afraid. After all, another official recognition of a genocide from decades past might lead to further scrutiny of the one it&#039;s still committing right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect Israel is also afraid. After all, another official recognition of a genocide from decades past might lead to further scrutiny of the one it&#8217;s still committing right now.</p>
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