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		<title>By: Ali</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-there-a-save-darfur-industrial-complex/#comment-45447</link>
		<dc:creator>Ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 19:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In response to the earlier comment about the need for American advocacy, I want to draw attention toward Alan Kuperman&#039;s op-ed in NY Times op-ed (May 31, 2006) where he argues that the American advocacy may have actually hindered the possibility of halting violence and reaching peace agreement.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/opinion/31kuperman.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to the earlier comment about the need for American advocacy, I want to draw attention toward Alan Kuperman&#8217;s op-ed in NY Times op-ed (May 31, 2006) where he argues that the American advocacy may have actually hindered the possibility of halting violence and reaching peace agreement.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/opinion/31kuperman.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2006/05/31/opinion/31kuperman.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mulga Mumblebrain</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-there-a-save-darfur-industrial-complex/#comment-45392</link>
		<dc:creator>Mulga Mumblebrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 May 2009 02:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &#039;Save Darfur&#039; hypocrites are nauseatingly cynical, and racist humbugs, as they ignore the suffering inflicted by the Western neo-imperialist powers, led by the US and Israel (the Great and Lesser Satans)on Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, Lebanon and Pakistan. Indeed in most of these cases this essentially Zionist cabal, and the dupes, some undoubtedly good-hearted but cynically manipulated by ruthless racist psychopaths, actually fully support the genocide of the so-called &#039;War on Terror&#039;. As the US, under the quintessential Yankee &#039;confidence-man&#039; and trickster, Obama, the &#039;first Jewish President of the US&#039;, as the Zionists crowed,intensifies its perennial &#039;anti-insurgency&#039; tactic of &#039;drying up the sea in which the guerillas swim&#039; by turning North-West Pakistan as well as Afghanistan into &#039;free-fire zones&#039;, where slaughter of women and children and de-population of the countryside are carried out with the same fervour as was witnessed in the Indian Wars, the Philippines at the turn of the 2oth century, and in Korea and Vietnam, adds yet another genocide to its unrivalled record of diabolical evil, the &#039;Save Darfur&#039; vermin keep their double-speaking mouths tightly closed. This is the classic expression of Chomsky&#039;s &#039;worthy&#039; and &#039;unworthy&#039; victims. Those the Zionists wish dead, are &#039;unworthy&#039; in excelsis, but the Darfurians become, for propaganda purposes only (they will revert to their true status as &#039;niggers&#039; and &#039;goyim&#039; when their usefuleness is over)&#039;worthy&#039;, if only briefly. The Zionists originally portrayed this as Islam versus poor black Christians, then shamelessly changed the discourse of hate to evil &#039;Arab&#039; versus  innocent &#039;African&#039;. Behind the scenes the Israelis, with their habitual contempt for goyim, feed the insurgency, meddling as they do in Georgia, Kurdistan, Lebanon, the Congo, always to inflame hatred and conflict. In a way, however, Darfur and the Sudan are mere proxies for the greater enemy Israel is eyeing. Israel&#039;s unique position in controlling the US political, financial and media worlds through Jewish money-power, and hence controlling the UN as Ban&#039;s craven and despicable performance over the Gaza Report on Israeli atrocities shows, is threatened by China&#039;s rise. A world where China even matches the US in economic and political influence, is one where the Jews, or should I say the Judeofascist Right, secular and religo-Messianic, no longer calls the shots. Israel, and the various Jewish Lobbies have been at the centre of anti-Chinese machinations for some time. &#039;Save Darfur&#039; and attack China  is one aspect. The Tibetan exile movement and the disruption of the Beijing Olympic torch relay, was another. Here in Australia, the extreme Rightwing media, particularly the Murdoch &#039;News Ltd&#039; sewer, has an amazing preponderance of Judaic operatives, none, dare I mention it, of the Chomsky, Uri Avnery or Gilad Atzmon type. Extreme Moslem-baiting is perennial, as is total, slavish, devotion to the Holy State, and the now reflex vilification of any criticism of Israel as &#039;anti-Semitism&#039; and a desire to inflict a &#039;New Holocaust&#039;. Just recently, there has  been a clearly co-ordinated upswell of Sinophobic hysteria, beginning with the Zionists, but soon taken up by the Opposition, the slightly more Rightwing Liberal Party. The Zionists know that they will never pull the strings in China the way they do in the US and the West, so they must de-rail China or their global dominance is doomed. Of course, an Israel reconciled with its neighbours and no longer manipulating the US political scene would be to everyone&#039;s advantage, but the Zionist state seems determined to exert total control, to what eventual end God only knows.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;Save Darfur&#8217; hypocrites are nauseatingly cynical, and racist humbugs, as they ignore the suffering inflicted by the Western neo-imperialist powers, led by the US and Israel (the Great and Lesser Satans)on Somalia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Congo, Lebanon and Pakistan. Indeed in most of these cases this essentially Zionist cabal, and the dupes, some undoubtedly good-hearted but cynically manipulated by ruthless racist psychopaths, actually fully support the genocide of the so-called &#8216;War on Terror&#8217;. As the US, under the quintessential Yankee &#8216;confidence-man&#8217; and trickster, Obama, the &#8216;first Jewish President of the US&#8217;, as the Zionists crowed,intensifies its perennial &#8216;anti-insurgency&#8217; tactic of &#8216;drying up the sea in which the guerillas swim&#8217; by turning North-West Pakistan as well as Afghanistan into &#8216;free-fire zones&#8217;, where slaughter of women and children and de-population of the countryside are carried out with the same fervour as was witnessed in the Indian Wars, the Philippines at the turn of the 2oth century, and in Korea and Vietnam, adds yet another genocide to its unrivalled record of diabolical evil, the &#8216;Save Darfur&#8217; vermin keep their double-speaking mouths tightly closed. This is the classic expression of Chomsky&#8217;s &#8216;worthy&#8217; and &#8216;unworthy&#8217; victims. Those the Zionists wish dead, are &#8216;unworthy&#8217; in excelsis, but the Darfurians become, for propaganda purposes only (they will revert to their true status as &#8216;niggers&#8217; and &#8216;goyim&#8217; when their usefuleness is over)&#8217;worthy&#8217;, if only briefly. The Zionists originally portrayed this as Islam versus poor black Christians, then shamelessly changed the discourse of hate to evil &#8216;Arab&#8217; versus  innocent &#8216;African&#8217;. Behind the scenes the Israelis, with their habitual contempt for goyim, feed the insurgency, meddling as they do in Georgia, Kurdistan, Lebanon, the Congo, always to inflame hatred and conflict. In a way, however, Darfur and the Sudan are mere proxies for the greater enemy Israel is eyeing. Israel&#8217;s unique position in controlling the US political, financial and media worlds through Jewish money-power, and hence controlling the UN as Ban&#8217;s craven and despicable performance over the Gaza Report on Israeli atrocities shows, is threatened by China&#8217;s rise. A world where China even matches the US in economic and political influence, is one where the Jews, or should I say the Judeofascist Right, secular and religo-Messianic, no longer calls the shots. Israel, and the various Jewish Lobbies have been at the centre of anti-Chinese machinations for some time. &#8216;Save Darfur&#8217; and attack China  is one aspect. The Tibetan exile movement and the disruption of the Beijing Olympic torch relay, was another. Here in Australia, the extreme Rightwing media, particularly the Murdoch &#8216;News Ltd&#8217; sewer, has an amazing preponderance of Judaic operatives, none, dare I mention it, of the Chomsky, Uri Avnery or Gilad Atzmon type. Extreme Moslem-baiting is perennial, as is total, slavish, devotion to the Holy State, and the now reflex vilification of any criticism of Israel as &#8216;anti-Semitism&#8217; and a desire to inflict a &#8216;New Holocaust&#8217;. Just recently, there has  been a clearly co-ordinated upswell of Sinophobic hysteria, beginning with the Zionists, but soon taken up by the Opposition, the slightly more Rightwing Liberal Party. The Zionists know that they will never pull the strings in China the way they do in the US and the West, so they must de-rail China or their global dominance is doomed. Of course, an Israel reconciled with its neighbours and no longer manipulating the US political scene would be to everyone&#8217;s advantage, but the Zionist state seems determined to exert total control, to what eventual end God only knows.</p>
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		<title>By: Susanne</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-there-a-save-darfur-industrial-complex/#comment-45353</link>
		<dc:creator>Susanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 18:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An important article and a good analysis. There are certain parallels with the constant call for humanitarian invervention in Zimbabwe in the Western media.  The motives are equally questionable. The commentator Stephen Gowans, for example, has written about the opposition groups which are lionised as independently arising grassroots movements, yet are funded through &quot;democracy&quot; promoting organisations such as the NED and Freedom House.
The Ruandan president, Paul Kagame, is a major war criminal, and because of the US/UK complicity in the plunder of the Congo&#039;s riches he seems almost untouchable. Who knows, one day the tables may turn on him and he will become expendable like others before him. The terrible and shocking tragedies and the real reasons and story behind it goes largely unreported in the mainstream media. It is absolutely important that articles like this are written and disseminated as widely as possible.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An important article and a good analysis. There are certain parallels with the constant call for humanitarian invervention in Zimbabwe in the Western media.  The motives are equally questionable. The commentator Stephen Gowans, for example, has written about the opposition groups which are lionised as independently arising grassroots movements, yet are funded through &#8220;democracy&#8221; promoting organisations such as the NED and Freedom House.<br />
The Ruandan president, Paul Kagame, is a major war criminal, and because of the US/UK complicity in the plunder of the Congo&#8217;s riches he seems almost untouchable. Who knows, one day the tables may turn on him and he will become expendable like others before him. The terrible and shocking tragedies and the real reasons and story behind it goes largely unreported in the mainstream media. It is absolutely important that articles like this are written and disseminated as widely as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Synic3</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-there-a-save-darfur-industrial-complex/#comment-45352</link>
		<dc:creator>Synic3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 17:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An excellet article that illuminates many  points. 
The Darfurians are black Muslims like the rest of  Northern Suddan.
So, there is no what is so called &quot;Muslim aggression&quot; by the Media.
The trouble started in Darfur when oil was discovered and many
hidden hands started  urging some elements of Darfur to secede from Sudan to keep all the oil revenues, setting the stage for fragmenting
Sudan and eating it piece by piece by these hidden hands.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An excellet article that illuminates many  points.<br />
The Darfurians are black Muslims like the rest of  Northern Suddan.<br />
So, there is no what is so called &#8220;Muslim aggression&#8221; by the Media.<br />
The trouble started in Darfur when oil was discovered and many<br />
hidden hands started  urging some elements of Darfur to secede from Sudan to keep all the oil revenues, setting the stage for fragmenting<br />
Sudan and eating it piece by piece by these hidden hands.</p>
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		<title>By: AaronG</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-there-a-save-darfur-industrial-complex/#comment-45308</link>
		<dc:creator>AaronG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 02:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great article Bruce!

Felicia wrote: &quot;If you want to get at the truth, follow the money.&quot;

Here, here. I believe that that&#039;s the only rule of thumb needed in analyzing power. 500 years ago, Big Religion used to rule the world. Although still very influential, money (Big Business) now dominates and uses the subservient Religion to achieve its means.

Race and religion are always used by power to divide - black people are dying in the Congo and no one (The Media) cares, but if black people are being killed in Darfur by those &quot;dirty Arab Muslims&quot;, enemy number one at the moment, then all of a sudden it&#039;s a world emergency. Work that logic out, will you??]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article Bruce!</p>
<p>Felicia wrote: &#8220;If you want to get at the truth, follow the money.&#8221;</p>
<p>Here, here. I believe that that&#8217;s the only rule of thumb needed in analyzing power. 500 years ago, Big Religion used to rule the world. Although still very influential, money (Big Business) now dominates and uses the subservient Religion to achieve its means.</p>
<p>Race and religion are always used by power to divide &#8211; black people are dying in the Congo and no one (The Media) cares, but if black people are being killed in Darfur by those &#8220;dirty Arab Muslims&#8221;, enemy number one at the moment, then all of a sudden it&#8217;s a world emergency. Work that logic out, will you??</p>
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		<title>By: cuibono</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-there-a-save-darfur-industrial-complex/#comment-45302</link>
		<dc:creator>cuibono</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 May 2009 00:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kudos to the brilliant Bruce Dixon, whose insight into these usually misreported issues is matched only by his mastery of the writer&#039;s craft. It&#039;s not just what he says but the way he says it, the way he organizes and presents the information, making it easy to grasp. 

Thanks also to Klautu for the prompt rebuttal of the nauseous Olivia and also to Felicia for the thoughtful and informative comment, re which I have but one quibble: I&#039;m sorry but I have to reject the notion that the Zionist Apartheid State has any &quot;legitimate security concerns&quot;, any more than the Dritte Reich or the Confederate States of America had anything resembling such.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kudos to the brilliant Bruce Dixon, whose insight into these usually misreported issues is matched only by his mastery of the writer&#8217;s craft. It&#8217;s not just what he says but the way he says it, the way he organizes and presents the information, making it easy to grasp. </p>
<p>Thanks also to Klautu for the prompt rebuttal of the nauseous Olivia and also to Felicia for the thoughtful and informative comment, re which I have but one quibble: I&#8217;m sorry but I have to reject the notion that the Zionist Apartheid State has any &#8220;legitimate security concerns&#8221;, any more than the Dritte Reich or the Confederate States of America had anything resembling such.</p>
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		<title>By: Felicia</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-there-a-save-darfur-industrial-complex/#comment-45282</link>
		<dc:creator>Felicia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 19:03:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent article!  Thank you for getting the word out, although many in the African American community have been saying this for years, as have many of the scholars who originally called attention to the crisis in Darfur, like Alex de Waal (who has refused to sign on the well-funded &quot;movement&quot;).  For that reason, the major rally in DC in 2006 had virtually no African Americans present.  In the heart of DC no less!  The contingent of Sudanese were carefully filmed by the media - it looked like those staged &quot;protests&quot; you see in totalitarian countries.  In fact, the few African Americans who did attend, appeared to be mostly, (not all) plainclothes law enforcement officers.

Still the pressure to accept the distorted and wildly inaccurate picture of what is happening in Darfur put forward by the &quot;movement&quot; with help from Exxon-Mobil lobbyist Ernst &amp; Young, has been enormous.  For example, one large branch of the NAACP in the DC/Md area did not address Darfur - until a very large contribution- I do not know the source - that was more ten times what they were seeking for a college outreach program came in.  Then, suddenly, a Darfur plank was added.  I suspect similar financial pressures are being applied all over the country.  If you want to get at the truth, follow the money.

You also could address the security interests in the region, including the role of AFRICOM, for one.  For another, there is the question of Israel&#039;s security interests - some very legitimate, others less so - in the region.  It is a matter of historical record that the Israelis have been funding weapons and fighters in the Sudan for decades.  They are very worried about the resources available in the country, the presence of a moderate (yes, moderate) Islamic government that is rather independent and the relationship and proximity of that government to Egypt.  In addition, the actions and financial and security interests of neighboring countries such as Chad (the invasion in 2008), which has a large and powerful Christian minority (possibly adding a religious proxy war in the region to the mix??), and Uganda are also worth examining.  

Keep up the good work, and keep asking questions!!  The truth is starting to come out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article!  Thank you for getting the word out, although many in the African American community have been saying this for years, as have many of the scholars who originally called attention to the crisis in Darfur, like Alex de Waal (who has refused to sign on the well-funded &#8220;movement&#8221;).  For that reason, the major rally in DC in 2006 had virtually no African Americans present.  In the heart of DC no less!  The contingent of Sudanese were carefully filmed by the media &#8211; it looked like those staged &#8220;protests&#8221; you see in totalitarian countries.  In fact, the few African Americans who did attend, appeared to be mostly, (not all) plainclothes law enforcement officers.</p>
<p>Still the pressure to accept the distorted and wildly inaccurate picture of what is happening in Darfur put forward by the &#8220;movement&#8221; with help from Exxon-Mobil lobbyist Ernst &amp; Young, has been enormous.  For example, one large branch of the NAACP in the DC/Md area did not address Darfur &#8211; until a very large contribution- I do not know the source &#8211; that was more ten times what they were seeking for a college outreach program came in.  Then, suddenly, a Darfur plank was added.  I suspect similar financial pressures are being applied all over the country.  If you want to get at the truth, follow the money.</p>
<p>You also could address the security interests in the region, including the role of AFRICOM, for one.  For another, there is the question of Israel&#8217;s security interests &#8211; some very legitimate, others less so &#8211; in the region.  It is a matter of historical record that the Israelis have been funding weapons and fighters in the Sudan for decades.  They are very worried about the resources available in the country, the presence of a moderate (yes, moderate) Islamic government that is rather independent and the relationship and proximity of that government to Egypt.  In addition, the actions and financial and security interests of neighboring countries such as Chad (the invasion in 2008), which has a large and powerful Christian minority (possibly adding a religious proxy war in the region to the mix??), and Uganda are also worth examining.  </p>
<p>Keep up the good work, and keep asking questions!!  The truth is starting to come out.</p>
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		<title>By: Klaatu</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-there-a-save-darfur-industrial-complex/#comment-45278</link>
		<dc:creator>Klaatu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 18:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mamdani is clearly correct, of course, and what Olivia calls &quot;religious groups&quot; are in fact Zionist-based organizations, and Darfur is both a great distractor from Zionist atrocities in Gaza, and makes the Zionists&#039; enemy (Arabs and Islam) look &quot;evil&quot;. Another version of the shell game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mamdani is clearly correct, of course, and what Olivia calls &#8220;religious groups&#8221; are in fact Zionist-based organizations, and Darfur is both a great distractor from Zionist atrocities in Gaza, and makes the Zionists&#8217; enemy (Arabs and Islam) look &#8220;evil&#8221;. Another version of the shell game.</p>
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		<title>By: olivia</title>
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		<dc:creator>olivia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2009 16:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Unfortunately Mamdani has his own agenda, he gives little credence to the people of Darfur, the ones who have had this last genocide perpetrated upon them. Though not entirely wrong of course he is so irritated by the fact that the Save Darfur movement originated with religious groups he can&#039;t see the forest for the trees. 

  When it was brought to his attention, at his recent debate with Prendergast  at Columbia, by a member of his audience who happened to have been Sudanese and female, that there were many in Darfur who have been protesting this all along and she asked him why he derisively in a most condescending way almost mimicked their call for &quot;the white man&quot; to come and save them, and why does he not feel the need to include what those in Darfur want, he made it clear once again that those who are not there know better.

He is irritated by the fact that the money which goes to Save Darfur is only for advocacy, yet advocacy is clearly what is needed.

 Dr.Mamdani is very knowledgeable, but as with many academics he looks at things not from the perspective of what needs to be done but only from historical context to tell us what can&#039;t be done. This has always been a deterrent. Just look at the genocides throughout history and tell me it isn&#039;t so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Mamdani has his own agenda, he gives little credence to the people of Darfur, the ones who have had this last genocide perpetrated upon them. Though not entirely wrong of course he is so irritated by the fact that the Save Darfur movement originated with religious groups he can&#8217;t see the forest for the trees. </p>
<p>  When it was brought to his attention, at his recent debate with Prendergast  at Columbia, by a member of his audience who happened to have been Sudanese and female, that there were many in Darfur who have been protesting this all along and she asked him why he derisively in a most condescending way almost mimicked their call for &#8220;the white man&#8221; to come and save them, and why does he not feel the need to include what those in Darfur want, he made it clear once again that those who are not there know better.</p>
<p>He is irritated by the fact that the money which goes to Save Darfur is only for advocacy, yet advocacy is clearly what is needed.</p>
<p> Dr.Mamdani is very knowledgeable, but as with many academics he looks at things not from the perspective of what needs to be done but only from historical context to tell us what can&#8217;t be done. This has always been a deterrent. Just look at the genocides throughout history and tell me it isn&#8217;t so.</p>
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