Comments on: Is Bush Still President? http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:03:40 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45497 Don Hawkins Sat, 09 May 2009 12:50:18 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45497 Iran is a bit of a problem as in as little as 6 months the price of gas at the pump in the States could be $12 a gallon or more. Iran is a bit of a problem as in as little as 6 months the price of gas at the pump in the States could be $12 a gallon or more.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45496 Don Hawkins Sat, 09 May 2009 12:35:02 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45496 Do I feel Ok. Almost the biggest problem I have is being careful not to tell people to much of the truth as dreamland is a powerful force and you have to go somewhat slow where using the truth it's better that way or is it. Do I feel Ok. Almost the biggest problem I have is being careful not to tell people to much of the truth as dreamland is a powerful force and you have to go somewhat slow where using the truth it’s better that way or is it.

]]> By: RH2 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45436 RH2 Fri, 08 May 2009 16:36:40 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45436 Don Hawkins, You are a fine person. But this is not a forum for personal exchange. I am concerned about your condition. Do you feel OK? You can reach me at: rh.2@hotmail.com. (do not miss the dot after the h). Don Hawkins,

You are a fine person. But this is not a forum for personal exchange. I am concerned about your condition. Do you feel OK? You can reach me at:
rh.2@hotmail.com. (do not miss the dot after the h).

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45378 Don Hawkins Thu, 07 May 2009 23:04:56 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45378 Is that naive or Native. Let me use that in a sentence I am native to the Earth. Thinking to small ok native to the Universe. Still naive ok native to the universe and I don't know so probably better to stay with the Earth for right now. Is that naive or Native. Let me use that in a sentence I am native to the Earth. Thinking to small ok native to the Universe. Still naive ok native to the universe and I don’t know so probably better to stay with the Earth for right now.

]]> By: SayWha http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45377 SayWha Thu, 07 May 2009 22:23:33 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45377 If Obama wants to be a sub-mediocre president like George W. Bush, I guess that's his perogative, but for all of us who sufferred through the George W Bush economic collapse of October, 2008, it is a severe disappointment. If Obama wants to be a sub-mediocre president like George W. Bush, I guess that’s his perogative, but for all of us who sufferred through the George W Bush economic collapse of October, 2008, it is a severe disappointment.

]]> By: Suthiano http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45374 Suthiano Thu, 07 May 2009 21:54:59 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45374 billrowe, what about Obama makes you believe that we would have a "better chance" with him than another president? Obama received $950,000+ campaign donations from Goldman Sachs, compared to only 200,000+ for George W Bush in his two campaigns. I should add that John Kerry, Howard Dean, Al Gore, Wesley Clark, Mitt Romney, Rudolph Giuliani and Hillary Clinton also received large sums when they ran for president from that friendly neighbourhood bank. The whole system is an act. The money for both parties comes from the same people... the goal is to create an illusion of difference and choice. Each candidate is given enough money to run an attention grabbing campaign to ensure that this is the case. billrowe,

what about Obama makes you believe that we would have a “better chance” with him than another president?

Obama received $950,000+ campaign donations from Goldman Sachs, compared to only 200,000+ for George W Bush in his two campaigns.

I should add that John Kerry, Howard Dean, Al Gore, Wesley Clark, Mitt Romney, Rudolph Giuliani and Hillary Clinton also received large sums when they ran for president from that friendly neighbourhood bank.

The whole system is an act. The money for both parties comes from the same people… the goal is to create an illusion of difference and choice. Each candidate is given enough money to run an attention grabbing campaign to ensure that this is the case.

]]> By: Jeff http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45369 Jeff Thu, 07 May 2009 21:00:03 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45369 Don Hawkins, please get your head out of your ass. Have you any concept of illusion. One must begin to notice your contributions seem contrived. Are you this naive?! Don Hawkins, please get your head out of your ass. Have you any concept of illusion. One must begin to notice your contributions seem contrived. Are you this naive?!

]]> By: billrowe http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45361 billrowe Thu, 07 May 2009 20:28:34 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45361 Obama is no martyr. However, if there were a groundswell of moral outrage from the public, I think he would be our best chance in decades to make some real changes. However, I don't detect anywhere tha necessary level of public involvement.... so expect the same .... Obama is no martyr. However, if there were a groundswell of moral outrage from the public, I think he would be our best chance in decades to make some real changes. However, I don’t detect anywhere tha necessary level of public involvement…. so expect the same ….

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45349 bozh Thu, 07 May 2009 16:59:41 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45349 don, by "illusionize" you may have meant that things never turn out exactly as we predict or imagine them. this is the reason i avoid predicting. But having expectations, both for worse and better, is inescapable. all that one need top do is to keep in mind that our assumptions about what wld happen are found in our heads and nowhere else. our assumptions shldn't lead to frustration/anger/angst if we wld have adequate/accurate knowledge. but few of us posses knowledge. 'Education' [media, clergy, 'educators' , pols] ensure that 97% of amers obtain false knowledge. tnx don,
by “illusionize” you may have meant that things never turn out exactly as we predict or imagine them.
this is the reason i avoid predicting. But having expectations, both for worse and better, is inescapable.
all that one need top do is to keep in mind that our assumptions about what wld happen are found in our heads and nowhere else.
our assumptions shldn’t lead to frustration/anger/angst if we wld have adequate/accurate knowledge.
but few of us posses knowledge. ‘Education’ [media, clergy, 'educators' , pols] ensure that 97% of amers obtain false knowledge. tnx

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45348 Don Hawkins Thu, 07 May 2009 16:18:44 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45348 Then this e-mail to CNBC and a few others later in the day. The time is now people. Calm at peace the voice loud and clear somehow. More games in the Senate the next few months and then the you know what is going to hit the fan. Morning, Calm at peace as this fight has just started for real and much much more to come. Truth and knowledge is the answer and guess who has that not you. As a matter of fact the so called truths and the illusion of knowledge that I see now will be easy to fight sort of. What do you think just become more clever well you are trying that and that is why it is so easy to see. Remember the problems we face are going to be rather hard to illusionize. I just made that word up. Don Then this e-mail to CNBC and a few others later in the day. The time is now people. Calm at peace the voice loud and clear somehow. More games in the Senate the next few months and then the you know what is going to hit the fan.

Morning,
Calm at peace as this fight has just started for real and much much more to come. Truth and knowledge is the answer and guess who has that not you. As a matter of fact the so called truths and the illusion of knowledge that I see now will be easy to fight sort of. What do you think just become more clever well you are trying that and that is why it is so easy to see. Remember the problems we face are going to be rather hard to illusionize. I just made that word up.

Don

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45346 bozh Thu, 07 May 2009 16:02:05 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45346 having for prez a person with 'tainted' skin was a great moral booster for and of great benefit to the ruling class. If it as beneficial to plutos to have a negro-albian person for prez as i expect, we can surely expect that an eskimo, black, latina/latino, indian, chinese, japanese, iraqi will in this and next century be also [s]elected for the prez office. what if amers get tired of it all? Especially if things turn worse for the lower classes? well, they have tried actors; maybe they can try actresses? Or maybe comedians? tnx having for prez a person with ‘tainted’ skin was a great moral booster for and of great benefit to the ruling class. If it as beneficial to plutos to have a negro-albian person for prez as i expect, we can surely expect that an eskimo, black, latina/latino, indian, chinese, japanese, iraqi will in this and next century be also [s]elected for the prez office.

what if amers get tired of it all? Especially if things turn worse for the lower classes?
well, they have tried actors; maybe they can try actresses? Or maybe comedians? tnx

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45335 Don Hawkins Thu, 07 May 2009 10:40:55 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45335 I sent this e-mail to CNBC this morning will they read it who knows. Morning, Yesterday on the Weather Channel they showed an astronaut who is climbing Mount Everest and they showed a picture of a rather large chunk of ice falling off the mountain. The astronaut was then asked is this due to climate change. He said well when that chunk fell off it looked like a mushroom cloud as it hit the valley and one and one is two and yes we are seeing climate change. Is one and one two with the people you talk with and that's right we must take into consideration compound interest and put's and call's preferred and common and of course a little something called illusion of knowledge. In the twenty First Century that is no longer meaningful never really was and do the people you talk with do they patronize, and treat people as inferiors? Do you watch the news talking heads lately and do you see how nut's these people have become and do you know why that is happening? Because this whole fear greed and stupidity has now got a little out of hand with the problems we face. Do we see working together using reason and imagination no we sure don't. So far how does the story end not well. To not fight back against this insanity seems so shallow and boring. I am going to write James Hansen and a few others as I can tell they are getting tired as fighting this insanity is not easy far from it. The people I see on TV many of them who some might call leaders are nothing more than punks very clean well dressed punks. Grown-ups yes grown ups and punk's. Don I sent this e-mail to CNBC this morning will they read it who knows.

Morning,
Yesterday on the Weather Channel they showed an astronaut who is climbing Mount Everest and they showed a picture of a rather large chunk of ice falling off the mountain. The astronaut was then asked is this due to climate change. He said well when that chunk fell off it looked like a mushroom cloud as it hit the valley and one and one is two and yes we are seeing climate change. Is one and one two with the people you talk with and that’s right we must take into consideration compound interest and put’s and call’s preferred and common and of course a little something called illusion of knowledge. In the twenty First Century that is no longer meaningful never really was and do the people you talk with do they patronize, and treat people as inferiors? Do you watch the news talking heads lately and do you see how nut’s these people have become and do you know why that is happening? Because this whole fear greed and stupidity has now got a little out of hand with the problems we face. Do we see working together using reason and imagination no we sure don’t. So far how does the story end not well. To not fight back against this insanity seems so shallow and boring. I am going to write James Hansen and a few others as I can tell they are getting tired as fighting this insanity is not easy far from it. The people I see on TV many of them who some might call leaders are nothing more than punks very clean well dressed punks. Grown-ups yes grown ups and punk’s.

Don

]]> By: Andres Kargar http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45324 Andres Kargar Thu, 07 May 2009 06:56:29 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45324 We have changed presidents, but not the owning classes. Regardless of popularity, presidents who do not play the game of the ruling classes get threatened first, and if they still refuse to conform and acquiesce, they get impeached or worse even shot. The owning classes do not get touched as a result of elections. They manage and manipulate these elections. This is especially true in these United States of America. To impact or overturn the owning classes, a good deal of initiative is needed from below in the form of massive demonstrations, protests, and general strikes. Maintaining our faith and hope in the system or the Administration can only prolong the pain and suffering of the majority of the working people. This might sound like pure rhetoric to some people, but try being one of the millions and millions of Americans who die of no health care coverage, who lose their jobs, their homes, their pensions, their dignity, and I can tell you I have seen few places in the world where poverty is criminalized the way it is in this country. We have changed presidents, but not the owning classes.

Regardless of popularity, presidents who do not play the game of the ruling classes get threatened first, and if they still refuse to conform and acquiesce, they get impeached or worse even shot.

The owning classes do not get touched as a result of elections. They manage and manipulate these elections. This is especially true in these United States of America.

To impact or overturn the owning classes, a good deal of initiative is needed from below in the form of massive demonstrations, protests, and general strikes. Maintaining our faith and hope in the system or the Administration can only prolong the pain and suffering of the majority of the working people. This might sound like pure rhetoric to some people, but try being one of the millions and millions of Americans who die of no health care coverage, who lose their jobs, their homes, their pensions, their dignity, and I can tell you I have seen few places in the world where poverty is criminalized the way it is in this country.

]]> By: Jeff http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45304 Jeff Thu, 07 May 2009 01:16:03 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45304 "The more things change, the more they remain the same." That is the reason "why" [the cause] "they" [the effect] keep winning. Stupid is as stupid does. May not seem prophetic, but it actually is! “The more things change, the more they remain the same.”

That is the reason “why” [the cause] “they” [the effect] keep winning.

Stupid is as stupid does.

May not seem prophetic, but it actually is!

]]> By: RH2 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45288 RH2 Wed, 06 May 2009 20:27:32 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45288 I wonder why people lament on missing real change after Obama historically changed color at the White House on January 20th, 2009. It sounds as if it were a surprise. His declaration at the annual meeting of AIPAC last year that he has “understood the Zionist idea” and the choice of his cabinet was a clear indication, who this guy is. Those happy Latinos and Blacks who ignored Nader and voted for this eloquent opportunist have secured the misery in the U.S. and many parts of the world for the next 4 years. Enjoy your Black Messiah tearfully and have a nice time. Drink some coca cola, eat some popcorn made of genetically modified maize, watch FoxNews and do not lament too much. I wonder why people lament on missing real change after Obama historically changed color at the White House on January 20th, 2009. It sounds as if it were a surprise. His declaration at the annual meeting of AIPAC last year that he has “understood the Zionist idea” and the choice of his cabinet was a clear indication, who this guy is. Those happy Latinos and Blacks who ignored Nader and voted for this eloquent opportunist have secured the misery in the U.S. and many parts of the world for the next 4 years. Enjoy your Black Messiah tearfully and have a nice time. Drink some coca cola, eat some popcorn made of genetically modified maize, watch FoxNews and do not lament too much.

]]> By: Microcinema International http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45287 Microcinema International Wed, 06 May 2009 19:44:05 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45287 Hi Margaret, Your statement, "Most Americans do not trust the official explanations given for the September 11th attacks," stood out to me. I feel like you and your readers will find Dylan Avery's upcoming documentary, "Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup extremely interesting. One can read the full press release at: http://www.microcinemadvd.com/news/latest_news/loose_change_acquisition.html Please check out and join Microcinema on other social networking sites: Facebook: http://tinyurl.com/bn3gnm MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/microcinemainternational Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/microcinema Twitter: http://twitter.com/microcinema Warmest Regards, Microcinema International Hi Margaret,

Your statement, “Most Americans do not trust the official explanations given for the September 11th attacks,” stood out to me. I feel like you and your readers will find Dylan Avery’s upcoming documentary, “Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup extremely interesting. One can read the full press release at:
http://www.microcinemadvd.com/news/latest_news/loose_change_acquisition.html

Please check out and join Microcinema on other social networking sites:
Facebook: http://tinyurl.com/bn3gnm

MySpace: http://www.myspace.com/microcinemainternational

Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/microcinema

Twitter: http://twitter.com/microcinema

Warmest Regards,
Microcinema International

]]> By: rg the lg http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/is-bush-still-president/#comment-45274 rg the lg Wed, 06 May 2009 17:58:26 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=8078#comment-45274 It does not matter WHO is president. Rarely has it much mattered. Oh, for sure there have been some presidents who bucked the elites slightly ... but if the elites had REALLY opposed those presidents, they would have been powerless as well. Take Andy Jackson ... he allegedly stood up to John Marshall over the Cherokee ... but the elites wanted Cherokee lands in the hands of whites, so Jackson's position was really not much of an act of independence. Or, take Roosevelt ... he allegedly bucked the elites with his alphabet soup ... but if you look at what REALLY mattered to the elites it was one thing, and one thing only, get the markets working ... so priming the pump was OK beacause it put money in peoples pockets so that the elites could get it through the markets. The so-called open door and the spread of alleged 'freedom' was little more than the freedom of America to sell goods wherever and whenever we wanted. The president appears powerful ... and he does wield some power, but he is NOT the decider. Oligrarchs founded this country with the idea that people matter, but the sad fact is ... we have been ... are now ... and will continue to be dupes. If anyone wishes to challeneg this , may I suggest that you learn to read critically the alleged history that is out there ... under the surface is always capitalism and the capitalists, also called herein oligarchs and elites, matter. You and I don't ... and Obama is nothing more or less than a figure head. RG the LG Skeptically Cynical It does not matter WHO is president. Rarely has it much mattered. Oh, for sure there have been some presidents who bucked the elites slightly … but if the elites had REALLY opposed those presidents, they would have been powerless as well. Take Andy Jackson … he allegedly stood up to John Marshall over the Cherokee … but the elites wanted Cherokee lands in the hands of whites, so Jackson’s position was really not much of an act of independence. Or, take Roosevelt … he allegedly bucked the elites with his alphabet soup … but if you look at what REALLY mattered to the elites it was one thing, and one thing only, get the markets working … so priming the pump was OK beacause it put money in peoples pockets so that the elites could get it through the markets. The so-called open door and the spread of alleged ‘freedom’ was little more than the freedom of America to sell goods wherever and whenever we wanted.

The president appears powerful … and he does wield some power, but he is NOT the decider. Oligrarchs founded this country with the idea that people matter, but the sad fact is … we have been … are now … and will continue to be dupes.

If anyone wishes to challeneg this , may I suggest that you learn to read critically the alleged history that is out there … under the surface is always capitalism and the capitalists, also called herein oligarchs and elites, matter. You and I don’t … and Obama is nothing more or less than a figure head.

RG the LG
Skeptically Cynical

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