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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/human-rights-ba-humbug/#comment-47247</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 13:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>of the necessary knowledge/truth there ought to be only one education to impart to children and adults.
alas, we may have a few thousands orgs or movemnets. But of necessary truth there is only one org/movement which wld teach, if extant or institutionalized,  knowledge/enlightenment.

of necessary truth, there is only one specie of homo sapiens, and only one just world governance.
but we have several. Each of which kill civilians. That alone proves that none who do that [and for whatever rationalization] is correct one.tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>of the necessary knowledge/truth there ought to be only one education to impart to children and adults.<br />
alas, we may have a few thousands orgs or movemnets. But of necessary truth there is only one org/movement which wld teach, if extant or institutionalized,  knowledge/enlightenment.</p>
<p>of necessary truth, there is only one specie of homo sapiens, and only one just world governance.<br />
but we have several. Each of which kill civilians. That alone proves that none who do that [and for whatever rationalization] is correct one.tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Andres Kargar</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/human-rights-ba-humbug/#comment-47240</link>
		<dc:creator>Andres Kargar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 07:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lenin believed, and I agree with him that political groups and organizations in a society must be judged not on the basis of their words and claims, but their deeds and accomplishments. I have personally seldom run into many political groups that do not claim to be for &quot;democracy&quot; and &quot;human rights&quot;. Look at the gusanos (counter-revolutionary Cubans) in Miami who are, by the way,  so successful at misleading liberal organizations, such as Human Rights Watch, ... of the authenticity of their claims, or better yet, the Free Darfur Movement. Are there victims in Darfur? I am sure there are, but whose hands is this Movement playing into? Obviously, the Western countries, and in particular the US imperialism.

The next point I would like to make is the following: the left believes it has a historic duty and right to bring about the collapse of the capitalist system and replace it with socialism.  In that context, the left is progressive and revolutionary. This however, does not mean that every organization that claims to be Marxist is revolutionary or even progressive. The Venezuelan &quot;leftist&quot; group &quot;Bandera Roja&quot;, for example, that agitated the students against the Hugo Chavez administration during the ill-conceived coup by the US imperialism is, in my opinion, counter-revolutionary. Interestingly, they too speak of &quot;freedom and democracy&quot;.  So are the Iraqi Communist Party and the Iraqi Workers Communist Party that collaborated with the US imperialism and joined the early Iraq Governing Council, helping to snuff out all resistance against the imperialist invasion.

I clearly remember during the early days of the invasion, how their &quot;truth-telling&quot; supporters repeated the obvious in such a &quot;Jesus-like&quot; manner: &quot;Saddam Hussein is a dictator&quot;.

&quot;No shit, Sherlock Holmes. Did you discover that all by yourselves?&quot; I used to say. I ask these truth-telling Jesuses now: &quot;Why weren&#039;t you able to bring down Saddam Hussein and stop the US invasion at the same time? Does reality mean anything to you guys at all?&quot;

Well, that was Iraq, and Iran is Iraq&#039;s neighbor, and Iran&#039;s (upper)middle-class leftists face similar challenges in terms of their failure to organize Iran&#039;s working masses. I wonder if my Iranian comrades feel any responsibility whatsoever for having failed to organize a movement to seize power from the Shah (instead of the Mullahs) and bring about the &quot;freedom&quot; and &quot;democracy&quot; that they claim to favor.

So far, I have not read or heard any discussions to the effect. What I have read from the Iranian left is criticism of Cuba, the socialist camp, the religious forces in Iran, Lebanon, Palestine, and the rest of the region, ... 

Lenin&#039;s words keep ringing in my ears.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lenin believed, and I agree with him that political groups and organizations in a society must be judged not on the basis of their words and claims, but their deeds and accomplishments. I have personally seldom run into many political groups that do not claim to be for &#8220;democracy&#8221; and &#8220;human rights&#8221;. Look at the gusanos (counter-revolutionary Cubans) in Miami who are, by the way,  so successful at misleading liberal organizations, such as Human Rights Watch, &#8230; of the authenticity of their claims, or better yet, the Free Darfur Movement. Are there victims in Darfur? I am sure there are, but whose hands is this Movement playing into? Obviously, the Western countries, and in particular the US imperialism.</p>
<p>The next point I would like to make is the following: the left believes it has a historic duty and right to bring about the collapse of the capitalist system and replace it with socialism.  In that context, the left is progressive and revolutionary. This however, does not mean that every organization that claims to be Marxist is revolutionary or even progressive. The Venezuelan &#8220;leftist&#8221; group &#8220;Bandera Roja&#8221;, for example, that agitated the students against the Hugo Chavez administration during the ill-conceived coup by the US imperialism is, in my opinion, counter-revolutionary. Interestingly, they too speak of &#8220;freedom and democracy&#8221;.  So are the Iraqi Communist Party and the Iraqi Workers Communist Party that collaborated with the US imperialism and joined the early Iraq Governing Council, helping to snuff out all resistance against the imperialist invasion.</p>
<p>I clearly remember during the early days of the invasion, how their &#8220;truth-telling&#8221; supporters repeated the obvious in such a &#8220;Jesus-like&#8221; manner: &#8220;Saddam Hussein is a dictator&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;No shit, Sherlock Holmes. Did you discover that all by yourselves?&#8221; I used to say. I ask these truth-telling Jesuses now: &#8220;Why weren&#8217;t you able to bring down Saddam Hussein and stop the US invasion at the same time? Does reality mean anything to you guys at all?&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that was Iraq, and Iran is Iraq&#8217;s neighbor, and Iran&#8217;s (upper)middle-class leftists face similar challenges in terms of their failure to organize Iran&#8217;s working masses. I wonder if my Iranian comrades feel any responsibility whatsoever for having failed to organize a movement to seize power from the Shah (instead of the Mullahs) and bring about the &#8220;freedom&#8221; and &#8220;democracy&#8221; that they claim to favor.</p>
<p>So far, I have not read or heard any discussions to the effect. What I have read from the Iranian left is criticism of Cuba, the socialist camp, the religious forces in Iran, Lebanon, Palestine, and the rest of the region, &#8230; </p>
<p>Lenin&#8217;s words keep ringing in my ears.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/human-rights-ba-humbug/#comment-47133</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem about this ideology is that is is the one that Bush applied and which has brought the US to its knees. And, of course, isn&#039;t it an odd coincidence that an Iranian should be trying to convince American leftists that supporting regime change in Iran is somehow &quot;socialist&quot; at the very moment when Bibi is trying to drum up American support for an attack on that country?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem about this ideology is that is is the one that Bush applied and which has brought the US to its knees. And, of course, isn&#8217;t it an odd coincidence that an Iranian should be trying to convince American leftists that supporting regime change in Iran is somehow &#8220;socialist&#8221; at the very moment when Bibi is trying to drum up American support for an attack on that country?</p>
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		<title>By: JOED</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/human-rights-ba-humbug/#comment-47129</link>
		<dc:creator>JOED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:11:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the amerikan left is doomed to stay in the FREE SPEACH ZONE(aka dissident voice, buzz flash etc.)  and cry and whine about the world they have allowed to rule them.  the amerikan left are swine just like the right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the amerikan left is doomed to stay in the FREE SPEACH ZONE(aka dissident voice, buzz flash etc.)  and cry and whine about the world they have allowed to rule them.  the amerikan left are swine just like the right.</p>
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		<title>By: JOED</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/human-rights-ba-humbug/#comment-47128</link>
		<dc:creator>JOED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>THE AMERIKAN LEFT WOULDN&#039;T SAY SHIT IF THEY HAD A MOUTH FULL OF IT.</description>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/human-rights-ba-humbug/#comment-47127</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 18:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The American ‘left’ must stage a nationwide strike every week to bring their troops, home.   The terrorist bombing at Imam Ali mosque in the city of Zahedan on Thursday evening left, at least, 25 people dead and another 125 injured.  Iranian government immediately holds the US imperialism responsible for this terror.  These terror activities become more and more like other US crimes against humanity in Afghanistan and Pakistan where the US has killed thousands of innocent people including children.
http://www.payvand.com/news/09/may/1306.html 

Why US citizen do not slow down their shopping habits at the Mall and use their ‘democracy’, right of assembly, freedom of speech, right to carry arms to fight against US terrorism and demand from the war criminals to stop killing citizen of the targeted countries, mainly Muslims, and bring these trained terrorists and their war criminals ‘superior’ home.  They can kill at home as much as they want until they drop dead.
Why don’t the labors use their right to strike in democracy and stage a nationwide STRIKE every week to bring the killers home so children of other countries can survive?  Why don’t they take advantage of their ‘human rights’ where is protected by the constitution?  The empire can be brought down by economic means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The American ‘left’ must stage a nationwide strike every week to bring their troops, home.   The terrorist bombing at Imam Ali mosque in the city of Zahedan on Thursday evening left, at least, 25 people dead and another 125 injured.  Iranian government immediately holds the US imperialism responsible for this terror.  These terror activities become more and more like other US crimes against humanity in Afghanistan and Pakistan where the US has killed thousands of innocent people including children.<br />
<a href="http://www.payvand.com/news/09/may/1306.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.payvand.com/news/09/may/1306.html</a> </p>
<p>Why US citizen do not slow down their shopping habits at the Mall and use their ‘democracy’, right of assembly, freedom of speech, right to carry arms to fight against US terrorism and demand from the war criminals to stop killing citizen of the targeted countries, mainly Muslims, and bring these trained terrorists and their war criminals ‘superior’ home.  They can kill at home as much as they want until they drop dead.<br />
Why don’t the labors use their right to strike in democracy and stage a nationwide STRIKE every week to bring the killers home so children of other countries can survive?  Why don’t they take advantage of their ‘human rights’ where is protected by the constitution?  The empire can be brought down by economic means.</p>
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