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	<title>Comments on: Against the Tortured Logic of Obama&#8217;s Placebo Presidency: A Call for the Audacity of Hopelessness</title>
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		<title>By: siamdave</title>
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		<dc:creator>siamdave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 01:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>under &#039;seize&#039; ? stare&#039;s ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>under &#8216;seize&#8217; ? stare&#8217;s ?</p>
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		<title>By: jude</title>
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		<dc:creator>jude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 17:32:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s over. The clowns with hatchets have manically plundered 
the Midway.  They have NO idea of what they&#039;re about/ A nation 
whose major products are; GREED - FEAR - Arrogance / is a goner. 
Millions out of work - homes - and we have lavish parties (joking) 
going on - $536 sneakers worn giving food out at a soup kitchen - 
designer clothes etc. One might think that you&#039;d be a little low key 
amidst such suffering? Nope instead its like the newest puppets in the 
White House have just won LOTTO. They can&#039;t show the REAL photos
of what was done to those held prisoner ! Many who were merely shepherds, kids, business folks turned in for the $5000 BOUNTY (taxpayer money).  All should be arrested for crimes that are so despicable the President doesn&#039;t want them shown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s over. The clowns with hatchets have manically plundered<br />
the Midway.  They have NO idea of what they&#8217;re about/ A nation<br />
whose major products are; GREED &#8211; FEAR &#8211; Arrogance / is a goner.<br />
Millions out of work &#8211; homes &#8211; and we have lavish parties (joking)<br />
going on &#8211; $536 sneakers worn giving food out at a soup kitchen &#8211;<br />
designer clothes etc. One might think that you&#8217;d be a little low key<br />
amidst such suffering? Nope instead its like the newest puppets in the<br />
White House have just won LOTTO. They can&#8217;t show the REAL photos<br />
of what was done to those held prisoner ! Many who were merely shepherds, kids, business folks turned in for the $5000 BOUNTY (taxpayer money).  All should be arrested for crimes that are so despicable the President doesn&#8217;t want them shown.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in a point of time there is by necessary truth only one elightenment or knowledge. From this, a conclusion arises that we cannot afford even two movements or orgs let alone a multitude.

we cannot afford even two political parties; armed with knowledge, why wld we need two or three orgs to represent or gaurd this knowledge?

we have perhaps  on eor two thousand orgs/movements but more carnage than ever.
but since there is an elightenment, perforce, we shld have only one  org in order for it to be promulgated.

in reality, US gangsters being  one org nearly- utterly controls just that: their &#039;enlightement&#039;! tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in a point of time there is by necessary truth only one elightenment or knowledge. From this, a conclusion arises that we cannot afford even two movements or orgs let alone a multitude.</p>
<p>we cannot afford even two political parties; armed with knowledge, why wld we need two or three orgs to represent or gaurd this knowledge?</p>
<p>we have perhaps  on eor two thousand orgs/movements but more carnage than ever.<br />
but since there is an elightenment, perforce, we shld have only one  org in order for it to be promulgated.</p>
<p>in reality, US gangsters being  one org nearly- utterly controls just that: their &#8216;enlightement&#8217;! tnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:17:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, changing the basic structure of world governance- unchanged since egyptian ascendancy- is like changing a biker or mafia gang.
we are ruled by gangs; gangs that behave just like a mafioso or biker gang.
a governance on national level regulates or prescribes or shld prescribe how we behave on interpersonal and int&#039;l level.
alas, all governances  appear to be much, too much worse on in int&#039;l relationship than in interpersonal level.

nevertheless, it is solely the gangs that determine the traits on both levels. The main gang, like the one in US, controls its subgangs such as city policy, cia, &#039;educators&#039;, fbi, other spy agencies, mercenaries, and army echelons, banksters.
no other ruling gang anywhere  control such awesome power to the degree that US  gangsters do.
and power is the only unversal language all gangs understand and speak. 

and we&#039;ve had such structures for possibly 20K yrs. And we have just now noted it! And not many! So far, it seems only i is saying this?
tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, changing the basic structure of world governance- unchanged since egyptian ascendancy- is like changing a biker or mafia gang.<br />
we are ruled by gangs; gangs that behave just like a mafioso or biker gang.<br />
a governance on national level regulates or prescribes or shld prescribe how we behave on interpersonal and int&#8217;l level.<br />
alas, all governances  appear to be much, too much worse on in int&#8217;l relationship than in interpersonal level.</p>
<p>nevertheless, it is solely the gangs that determine the traits on both levels. The main gang, like the one in US, controls its subgangs such as city policy, cia, &#8216;educators&#8217;, fbi, other spy agencies, mercenaries, and army echelons, banksters.<br />
no other ruling gang anywhere  control such awesome power to the degree that US  gangsters do.<br />
and power is the only unversal language all gangs understand and speak. </p>
<p>and we&#8217;ve had such structures for possibly 20K yrs. And we have just now noted it! And not many! So far, it seems only i is saying this?<br />
tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:36:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, I would say we need first to understand what we want. If you know that, what is and how it functions can be less important and central to building from here.

I do think that the economic system is collapsing. It is not, currently, ending in a bang, but in a &quot;whimper&quot; [T.S. Elliot]. That could change. Some would argue that the slide down would likely be precipitous. The forces proping it up internally requires power in the external world (beyond US borders). That is diminishing greatly. China is problematic because it is locked in a pathology of the West. It will both keep things in a status quo, but will lose its hold and with it the financial relationship with the West. The jig is up. It&#039;s a question of when.

But our &quot;job&quot; is to nurture alternatives, for the long haul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, I would say we need first to understand what we want. If you know that, what is and how it functions can be less important and central to building from here.</p>
<p>I do think that the economic system is collapsing. It is not, currently, ending in a bang, but in a &#8220;whimper&#8221; [T.S. Elliot]. That could change. Some would argue that the slide down would likely be precipitous. The forces proping it up internally requires power in the external world (beyond US borders). That is diminishing greatly. China is problematic because it is locked in a pathology of the West. It will both keep things in a status quo, but will lose its hold and with it the financial relationship with the West. The jig is up. It&#8217;s a question of when.</p>
<p>But our &#8220;job&#8221; is to nurture alternatives, for the long haul.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 14:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can&#039;t change something for the better unless you first understand that thing.

I suggest that what we now face as individuals and a nation and a world is no longer understandable. All systems such as finance, governance, education, and societies in general are too complex for a sufficient number of people to understand to create workable and effective long-term change for positive solutions.

Thus, what you get is partial fixes, opportunism, and, in Obama&#039;s case, yakkity-yak about hope. Only children and the ignorant fall for that line of crap about hope. The rest are simply overwhelmed as they attempt to make sense about what is nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t change something for the better unless you first understand that thing.</p>
<p>I suggest that what we now face as individuals and a nation and a world is no longer understandable. All systems such as finance, governance, education, and societies in general are too complex for a sufficient number of people to understand to create workable and effective long-term change for positive solutions.</p>
<p>Thus, what you get is partial fixes, opportunism, and, in Obama&#8217;s case, yakkity-yak about hope. Only children and the ignorant fall for that line of crap about hope. The rest are simply overwhelmed as they attempt to make sense about what is nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat there are alternatives. The problem is 1) traction 2) the power of the existing system 3) the fact that some want to foist an ideological frame around it rather than deal with what is and contemplate a workable alternative world.

A workable alternative world is one that re-positions the species within the natural order. Such a re-positioning would create the dynamics that make much of what we&#039;ve created unacceptable (like war, and corporate monopolistic capitalism, etc.). Fundamental organizing principles are essential. 

We are not without altneratives. We are without solidarity around them. There are movements to create a federated world government. There are local sustainable movements, there are local food system movements. There are transitional movements. Green alternative movements, there are workers&#039; cooperative movements...and on and on. 

Most of these &quot;movements&quot; have common ground and can be the basis of an alternative coalition. That said, there are powerful antagonistic structures and institutions which will tear down attempts to build a real viable alternative to the existing power structure. The means are sometimes brutal and other times tactics are simply to undermine and confuse through the media what these alternatives are about, to marginalize and turn them into subversive organizations, un-American, etc.

So, DB rather than simply railing against the Left, acknowledge what an alternative is truly up against. Obama may sound like yesterday&#039;s news but he&#039;s the Imperial Emperor. He is the biggest threat to an alternative because he knows how to speak &quot;change&quot;, how to &quot;appease&quot; many whose energy we need for real change and undermine a solid movement. Obama&#039;s &quot;smart&quot; bait and switch unhinges the strength of a sustained movement, fragmenting it, and diffusing its impact.

Tom Hayden just wrote a piece on how MoveOn (the faux anti-war group) has taken its 4 million Rolodex and turned into an Obama support tool for continued war. They are not alone. Even if people on that Rolodex disagree, they are fragmented and marginalized by an &quot;organization&quot; that says it &quot;speaks&quot; for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat there are alternatives. The problem is 1) traction 2) the power of the existing system 3) the fact that some want to foist an ideological frame around it rather than deal with what is and contemplate a workable alternative world.</p>
<p>A workable alternative world is one that re-positions the species within the natural order. Such a re-positioning would create the dynamics that make much of what we&#8217;ve created unacceptable (like war, and corporate monopolistic capitalism, etc.). Fundamental organizing principles are essential. </p>
<p>We are not without altneratives. We are without solidarity around them. There are movements to create a federated world government. There are local sustainable movements, there are local food system movements. There are transitional movements. Green alternative movements, there are workers&#8217; cooperative movements&#8230;and on and on. </p>
<p>Most of these &#8220;movements&#8221; have common ground and can be the basis of an alternative coalition. That said, there are powerful antagonistic structures and institutions which will tear down attempts to build a real viable alternative to the existing power structure. The means are sometimes brutal and other times tactics are simply to undermine and confuse through the media what these alternatives are about, to marginalize and turn them into subversive organizations, un-American, etc.</p>
<p>So, DB rather than simply railing against the Left, acknowledge what an alternative is truly up against. Obama may sound like yesterday&#8217;s news but he&#8217;s the Imperial Emperor. He is the biggest threat to an alternative because he knows how to speak &#8220;change&#8221;, how to &#8220;appease&#8221; many whose energy we need for real change and undermine a solid movement. Obama&#8217;s &#8220;smart&#8221; bait and switch unhinges the strength of a sustained movement, fragmenting it, and diffusing its impact.</p>
<p>Tom Hayden just wrote a piece on how MoveOn (the faux anti-war group) has taken its 4 million Rolodex and turned into an Obama support tool for continued war. They are not alone. Even if people on that Rolodex disagree, they are fragmented and marginalized by an &#8220;organization&#8221; that says it &#8220;speaks&#8221; for them.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 13:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it seems to me that US is on missions achievables. I can see only one way US  invasions; oops, missions, failing: that of not using dirty bombs.
is it either that or the US war plans were much amiss?!
neither the Left nor the Right nor combining the two will be able to win over city police, fbi, army echelons, cia, mercenaries, in order to stop the ruling class&#039; present wars or to prevent future ones.

fact is that no US war had ever been prevented let alone stopped once under way. And, i am permitted to note, there were more leftists in the past than now.

in a fascist empire like US, even a strong ad hoc unity of the Left and the Right [let&#039;s say, 90% of usans] might not sufice to peacefully persuade uncle sam to abandon some or most wars.
But i dare say that at this time or in next decade or two, an ad hoc union of amers may not consist of more than 10-20% of the pop.

i think we need 90+%  enlightened  americans in order to wring significant changes or to prevent/stop a war.
in this connection, we can note that 93% of spaniards were against sending spanish troops  to iraq, but fascists sent the troops anyway.
tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it seems to me that US is on missions achievables. I can see only one way US  invasions; oops, missions, failing: that of not using dirty bombs.<br />
is it either that or the US war plans were much amiss?!<br />
neither the Left nor the Right nor combining the two will be able to win over city police, fbi, army echelons, cia, mercenaries, in order to stop the ruling class&#8217; present wars or to prevent future ones.</p>
<p>fact is that no US war had ever been prevented let alone stopped once under way. And, i am permitted to note, there were more leftists in the past than now.</p>
<p>in a fascist empire like US, even a strong ad hoc unity of the Left and the Right [let's say, 90% of usans] might not sufice to peacefully persuade uncle sam to abandon some or most wars.<br />
But i dare say that at this time or in next decade or two, an ad hoc union of amers may not consist of more than 10-20% of the pop.</p>
<p>i think we need 90+%  enlightened  americans in order to wring significant changes or to prevent/stop a war.<br />
in this connection, we can note that 93% of spaniards were against sending spanish troops  to iraq, but fascists sent the troops anyway.<br />
tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Olausen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russell Olausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I almost had a nervous breakdown as Obama wore the purple.Its about the same as Bush, so only Bush should have the breakdown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I almost had a nervous breakdown as Obama wore the purple.Its about the same as Bush, so only Bush should have the breakdown.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 06:10:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know and understand all there is about Obama -- that why were here.  The problem is that there needs to be a real alternative.  The problem is that there is none.  That is why when you bring the truth about Obama to people that they are in denial.  Their reaction is due to the real basis of their gut feeling that there is no alternative.  Unfortunately many people don&#039;t see themselves as the alternative and thus want to see one that is in place.  Unfortuately as the Left has not provided an alternative that can capture the imagination must less the realization of the public.

IMO, Obama is a waste of time and energy and until the Left can show some sort of cohesiveness and solidarity there will be more Obamas and Bushes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know and understand all there is about Obama &#8212; that why were here.  The problem is that there needs to be a real alternative.  The problem is that there is none.  That is why when you bring the truth about Obama to people that they are in denial.  Their reaction is due to the real basis of their gut feeling that there is no alternative.  Unfortunately many people don&#8217;t see themselves as the alternative and thus want to see one that is in place.  Unfortuately as the Left has not provided an alternative that can capture the imagination must less the realization of the public.</p>
<p>IMO, Obama is a waste of time and energy and until the Left can show some sort of cohesiveness and solidarity there will be more Obamas and Bushes.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Chavizta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Chavizta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 03:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama is a zionist, imperialist and warmonger.  

Obama never intended to withdraw from Iraq. He is an imperialist and a warmonger. He talked about Iraq war being &quot;dumb&quot; but he funded the war over and over again. He never said anything about withdrawing the private mercenaries or shutting down US bases. In fact, he has been sending his private mercenaries to Iraq as he is sending military mercenaries to Afghanistan to expand the wars. Iraqis are calling the private mercenaries &quot;Obama&#039;s Blackwater&quot;. There are as many private mercenaries in Iraq as military mercenaries, if not more. No news media, including this article, talk about what will happen to the private mercenaries.

Why is it that people constantly make excuses for Obama that if he did not do what he is told to do, he will be killed? No one made such excuses for Bush. 

I have posted comments and links of articles in many sites, forums and bloggers about Obama, his record, his flip-flops, his eternal loyalty to Israel before he was elected, predicting all these and that he will be worse than Bush. None of this should come as surprise to anyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama is a zionist, imperialist and warmonger.  </p>
<p>Obama never intended to withdraw from Iraq. He is an imperialist and a warmonger. He talked about Iraq war being &#8220;dumb&#8221; but he funded the war over and over again. He never said anything about withdrawing the private mercenaries or shutting down US bases. In fact, he has been sending his private mercenaries to Iraq as he is sending military mercenaries to Afghanistan to expand the wars. Iraqis are calling the private mercenaries &#8220;Obama&#8217;s Blackwater&#8221;. There are as many private mercenaries in Iraq as military mercenaries, if not more. No news media, including this article, talk about what will happen to the private mercenaries.</p>
<p>Why is it that people constantly make excuses for Obama that if he did not do what he is told to do, he will be killed? No one made such excuses for Bush. </p>
<p>I have posted comments and links of articles in many sites, forums and bloggers about Obama, his record, his flip-flops, his eternal loyalty to Israel before he was elected, predicting all these and that he will be worse than Bush. None of this should come as surprise to anyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 01:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to the economic depression and collapse and massive joblessness...seems it was just another bad film we watch on tv along with the wars...oooopppps we don&#039;t talk about that...the US doesn&#039;t have thousands of missiles point all over the planet....it&#039;s all just a nasty story some complaining nihilist doomsayer cynics keep yapping about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to the economic depression and collapse and massive joblessness&#8230;seems it was just another bad film we watch on tv along with the wars&#8230;oooopppps we don&#8217;t talk about that&#8230;the US doesn&#8217;t have thousands of missiles point all over the planet&#8230;.it&#8217;s all just a nasty story some complaining nihilist doomsayer cynics keep yapping about.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 21:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rg the lg,
partial change wld be OK.  But as u say even partial change  won&#039;t happen unless there is blodletting or we succeed to educate most amers and other nationals that they are ruled by gangs or gangsters with cia, fbi, army, banksters as special units or subgangs.

thus, under such ironclad rule by despots, only change for worse will occur. Not, of course, for the gang or its subgangs but for people which produce wealth for the creme de la creme.

the elite had declared explicitly millennia ago: ye shal never ever govern; we are the chosen ones to guide you as yous need guidance, being lazy, stupid, unruly, uneducated rubes, etc. tnx bozhidar balkas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rg the lg,<br />
partial change wld be OK.  But as u say even partial change  won&#8217;t happen unless there is blodletting or we succeed to educate most amers and other nationals that they are ruled by gangs or gangsters with cia, fbi, army, banksters as special units or subgangs.</p>
<p>thus, under such ironclad rule by despots, only change for worse will occur. Not, of course, for the gang or its subgangs but for people which produce wealth for the creme de la creme.</p>
<p>the elite had declared explicitly millennia ago: ye shal never ever govern; we are the chosen ones to guide you as yous need guidance, being lazy, stupid, unruly, uneducated rubes, etc. tnx bozhidar balkas</p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/against-the-tortured-logic-of-obamas-placebo-presidency-a-call-for-the-audacity-of-hopelessness/#comment-47021</link>
		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 19:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phil,

Your article was masterful.  I enjoyed it.  

You said: &quot;President Obama and the Democratic Congress could have ridden a wave of public discontent towards meaningful reform, but instead they have hugged the shore.&quot;

I disagree.  No, they could not have done any differently than they did ... than they have ... than they are ... than they will.

It is the system ... promulgated as what has become mythic in our psyche: the constitution.

It is the system that has created the malaise.  It was bound to happen.  It was, is inevitable.

Marx was right in his assessment of capitalism.

Only collapse of the system will generate change.  Not the current partial collapse ... but a total, complete, ugly, blood-letting collapse.

Whether the change is what you desire, what I desire ... hopefully a good thing ... or a much worse monster resembling the Orwell cast future, is the only issue.

Thus, the alleged left, fears what it might unleash and ends up going along.

And for all of our rhetoric to the contrary we do not act.  We are victims of our own fears ... no better, no worse, than the fearful &#039;common man&#039; that is denigrated as being ignorant, duped, lied to.

All of us prefer to be duped ... to believe the myths of our exceptionalism. 

Total economic, ecological, political collapse holds a very remote possibility of something better ... but it will be a near thing, if something decent emerges.

So, while I admire your words, the sentiments and the delusions (though you dream of them as potential) are something else again.

RG the LG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phil,</p>
<p>Your article was masterful.  I enjoyed it.  </p>
<p>You said: &#8220;President Obama and the Democratic Congress could have ridden a wave of public discontent towards meaningful reform, but instead they have hugged the shore.&#8221;</p>
<p>I disagree.  No, they could not have done any differently than they did &#8230; than they have &#8230; than they are &#8230; than they will.</p>
<p>It is the system &#8230; promulgated as what has become mythic in our psyche: the constitution.</p>
<p>It is the system that has created the malaise.  It was bound to happen.  It was, is inevitable.</p>
<p>Marx was right in his assessment of capitalism.</p>
<p>Only collapse of the system will generate change.  Not the current partial collapse &#8230; but a total, complete, ugly, blood-letting collapse.</p>
<p>Whether the change is what you desire, what I desire &#8230; hopefully a good thing &#8230; or a much worse monster resembling the Orwell cast future, is the only issue.</p>
<p>Thus, the alleged left, fears what it might unleash and ends up going along.</p>
<p>And for all of our rhetoric to the contrary we do not act.  We are victims of our own fears &#8230; no better, no worse, than the fearful &#8216;common man&#8217; that is denigrated as being ignorant, duped, lied to.</p>
<p>All of us prefer to be duped &#8230; to believe the myths of our exceptionalism. </p>
<p>Total economic, ecological, political collapse holds a very remote possibility of something better &#8230; but it will be a near thing, if something decent emerges.</p>
<p>So, while I admire your words, the sentiments and the delusions (though you dream of them as potential) are something else again.</p>
<p>RG the LG</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/against-the-tortured-logic-of-obamas-placebo-presidency-a-call-for-the-audacity-of-hopelessness/#comment-47015</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 17:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Phil thank you very much.  The complex made simple for all to see.  If I could I would beam this off into space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Phil thank you very much.  The complex made simple for all to see.  If I could I would beam this off into space.</p>
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