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		<title>By: David Kendall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-47743</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Jun 2009 05:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point of workplace democracy is for workers to make decisions democratically, one person, one vote. So if one enterprise votes that all its members will make an &quot;equal, living wage&quot; and have &quot;rotating positions&quot; etc, then that&#039;s the way it would be -- at that particular firm. But other firms might decide differently, and workers are always free to leave and work anywhere they want.

So, democracy is not a &quot;blueprint&quot; as you suggest. It is a distribution of decision-making power. The most fair distribution is probably one person, one vote. To normalize the distribution, the extreme economic influence of passive ownership must be removed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point of workplace democracy is for workers to make decisions democratically, one person, one vote. So if one enterprise votes that all its members will make an &#8220;equal, living wage&#8221; and have &#8220;rotating positions&#8221; etc, then that&#8217;s the way it would be &#8212; at that particular firm. But other firms might decide differently, and workers are always free to leave and work anywhere they want.</p>
<p>So, democracy is not a &#8220;blueprint&#8221; as you suggest. It is a distribution of decision-making power. The most fair distribution is probably one person, one vote. To normalize the distribution, the extreme economic influence of passive ownership must be removed.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46468</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 21:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, and repeating &quot;there is no magic wand, there is no blueprint&quot; as the author does to support a system of biased statements of his own is not a valid argument.  There are already nations without stock markets, so yes, we can make a plan without them.   And no, I don&#039;t agree with you summarry as to what a cooperative is; to me it is about democracy in the workplace, everyone making an equal, living wage, perhaps people rotating positions regularly, and etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, and repeating &#8220;there is no magic wand, there is no blueprint&#8221; as the author does to support a system of biased statements of his own is not a valid argument.  There are already nations without stock markets, so yes, we can make a plan without them.   And no, I don&#8217;t agree with you summarry as to what a cooperative is; to me it is about democracy in the workplace, everyone making an equal, living wage, perhaps people rotating positions regularly, and etc.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kendall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46462</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 20:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the author refuses to &quot;imagine&quot; anything -- including a world without stock markets or money or ownership. We can propose or &quot;imagine&quot; anything we want. But as Noam Chomsky suggests, if we want to &quot;advocate&quot; something, we need to sketch out a path from here to there. There is no magic wand. There is no blueprint. We have to evalute the situation at hand and take the next logical step toward the model we envision.

Lichen, I&#039;m not sure that all cooperatives require any sort of payment for membership -- at least not up-front. Many of them do it over time. But keep in mind, the purpose of this payment is to make workers the owners of the business rather than passive shareholders. In my view, this is the whole idea behind economic democracy. To eliminate the extreme influence of passive ownership in the workplace, finance and government, workers must reject wage-slavery to become the residual claimants and the decision-makers of enterprise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the author refuses to &#8220;imagine&#8221; anything &#8212; including a world without stock markets or money or ownership. We can propose or &#8220;imagine&#8221; anything we want. But as Noam Chomsky suggests, if we want to &#8220;advocate&#8221; something, we need to sketch out a path from here to there. There is no magic wand. There is no blueprint. We have to evalute the situation at hand and take the next logical step toward the model we envision.</p>
<p>Lichen, I&#8217;m not sure that all cooperatives require any sort of payment for membership &#8212; at least not up-front. Many of them do it over time. But keep in mind, the purpose of this payment is to make workers the owners of the business rather than passive shareholders. In my view, this is the whole idea behind economic democracy. To eliminate the extreme influence of passive ownership in the workplace, finance and government, workers must reject wage-slavery to become the residual claimants and the decision-makers of enterprise.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46368</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 23:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russell and your forests are in a bit of trouble.</description>
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		<title>By: Russell Olausen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46362</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Olausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We  are freezing our arses off  here  in Canada, Please if you wish to use warming as your sin, leave us up north, out. Just remember most scientists who work for pay, are selling an opinion.It is snowing all along the 54 parallel for close to 500 miles.Global warming has about the same ring to it as the World Series.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We  are freezing our arses off  here  in Canada, Please if you wish to use warming as your sin, leave us up north, out. Just remember most scientists who work for pay, are selling an opinion.It is snowing all along the 54 parallel for close to 500 miles.Global warming has about the same ring to it as the World Series.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46361</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 22:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kendal, yes 
back to fundamentalism.  If house is sinking/tilting/swaying or dancing in the wind, one better at least glance at the foundation. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kendal, yes<br />
back to fundamentalism.  If house is sinking/tilting/swaying or dancing in the wind, one better at least glance at the foundation. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46354</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 20:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The author says some good things perhaps, but his refusal to imagine a world without, for instance, a stock market and other such things is ridiculous.  Also his assertion that people should have to pay money in order to join a cooperative workplace is ridiculous.    I agree we do need a new constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The author says some good things perhaps, but his refusal to imagine a world without, for instance, a stock market and other such things is ridiculous.  Also his assertion that people should have to pay money in order to join a cooperative workplace is ridiculous.    I agree we do need a new constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: David Kendall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46341</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 19:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good job, DB. You&#039;re right, as always. Rewrite the constitution, I agree. The existing US Constitution was deliberately written to favor the dominance of passive ownership -- and every revision since has been a deliberate effort to enhance that sort of economic dominance.

So to rewrite the US Constitution to favor your perfectly reasonable proposals, the extreme influence of passive ownership must be removed from the democratic process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good job, DB. You&#8217;re right, as always. Rewrite the constitution, I agree. The existing US Constitution was deliberately written to favor the dominance of passive ownership &#8212; and every revision since has been a deliberate effort to enhance that sort of economic dominance.</p>
<p>So to rewrite the US Constitution to favor your perfectly reasonable proposals, the extreme influence of passive ownership must be removed from the democratic process.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Mowatt</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46330</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Mowatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed we do.

A couple of items to offer here from a recent conference on Economics for Ecology and a manifesto for an economic model which places people before greed and profit based upon abstract numbers.

http://www.p-ced.com/projects/ukraine/sumy/

http://www.p-ced.com/about/background/

Jeff Mowatt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed we do.</p>
<p>A couple of items to offer here from a recent conference on Economics for Ecology and a manifesto for an economic model which places people before greed and profit based upon abstract numbers.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.p-ced.com/projects/ukraine/sumy/" rel="nofollow">http://www.p-ced.com/projects/ukraine/sumy/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.p-ced.com/about/background/" rel="nofollow">http://www.p-ced.com/about/background/</a></p>
<p>Jeff Mowatt</p>
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		<title>By: Axel Ztangi</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46328</link>
		<dc:creator>Axel Ztangi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 16:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The San Francisco Bay area has the highest concentration of worker-co-ops and collectives in the US. And there is a national Federation also. See http://www.usworker.coop/about</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The San Francisco Bay area has the highest concentration of worker-co-ops and collectives in the US. And there is a national Federation also. See <a href="http://www.usworker.coop/about" rel="nofollow">http://www.usworker.coop/about</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wingnut</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46321</link>
		<dc:creator>Wingnut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!  And there&#039;s always outlawing of economies (money and ownership) and thus no rat-racing, servitude-infested pyramids like capitalism can happen.  No other creature on the entire planet... uses money and ownership.  Why do capitalists?  

I see this author doing classic rhetoric and arguing over the distribution of money/ownership, and doing blame-a-thons.  Why not bring up the debate of whether or not economies are necessary and/or legal?  Just the fact that no other living creature uses them, already proves them un-natural and far from God-made.  See the freemason pyramid scheme symbol on the back of the USA dollar?  See the USA gov located in a &quot;district of columbia&quot; and not part of the USA?  See how capitalists are part of  (conned/shammed-into) a herd control &quot;lab experiment&quot;?  Sure ya do.  Here&#039;s something you CAN &quot;own&quot;.  Own up to rat-racing/pyramiding.  Monetary discrimination should have been illegal long ago.

Larry &quot;Wingnut&quot; Wendlandt
MaStars - Mothers Against Stuff That Ain&#039;t Right
(anti-capitalism-ists)
Bessemer MI USA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!  And there&#8217;s always outlawing of economies (money and ownership) and thus no rat-racing, servitude-infested pyramids like capitalism can happen.  No other creature on the entire planet&#8230; uses money and ownership.  Why do capitalists?  </p>
<p>I see this author doing classic rhetoric and arguing over the distribution of money/ownership, and doing blame-a-thons.  Why not bring up the debate of whether or not economies are necessary and/or legal?  Just the fact that no other living creature uses them, already proves them un-natural and far from God-made.  See the freemason pyramid scheme symbol on the back of the USA dollar?  See the USA gov located in a &#8220;district of columbia&#8221; and not part of the USA?  See how capitalists are part of  (conned/shammed-into) a herd control &#8220;lab experiment&#8221;?  Sure ya do.  Here&#8217;s something you CAN &#8220;own&#8221;.  Own up to rat-racing/pyramiding.  Monetary discrimination should have been illegal long ago.</p>
<p>Larry &#8220;Wingnut&#8221; Wendlandt<br />
MaStars &#8211; Mothers Against Stuff That Ain&#8217;t Right<br />
(anti-capitalism-ists)<br />
Bessemer MI USA</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46222</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>economy run by whoever  may be OK. What can not be OK, to me, is any economy without healthcare, free higher  education for all; the right to be informed, wld generate what?
an economy manufacturing ever  &#039;better&#039;  weapons and used to defend this economy wld probably still go on.

what makes sense to me, is a constitution that assures basic human rights and not just the lofty ones like the socalled free speech, free market, pursuit of hapiness, etc.

when we&#039;d rewrite constitution we cld prescribe penalties for all those who knowingly disseminate disinformation or teaches falsehoods in schools.

above everything else a constitution wld ban wars on following principle: no land has the right to attack another. Each land has the right to defend self if attacked by another land or block of lands.

and then let the people work; pay their taxes; everything wld be fine.
the hell with more theories and economic or even social &#039;science&#039;.
as social &#039;science&#039;  is just another red herring.
we once lived an dhad no socialism, capitalism, free markets, freedom of speech, derivatives, banks, mercenary soldiers, cia, fbi, etc.

we can live well or better than ever with just healthcare and  enlightement. Then add more goodies as we go along.
and once amers taste some of these goodies they&#039;d want more of the same.
precisely what present americanism fears the most. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>economy run by whoever  may be OK. What can not be OK, to me, is any economy without healthcare, free higher  education for all; the right to be informed, wld generate what?<br />
an economy manufacturing ever  &#8216;better&#8217;  weapons and used to defend this economy wld probably still go on.</p>
<p>what makes sense to me, is a constitution that assures basic human rights and not just the lofty ones like the socalled free speech, free market, pursuit of hapiness, etc.</p>
<p>when we&#8217;d rewrite constitution we cld prescribe penalties for all those who knowingly disseminate disinformation or teaches falsehoods in schools.</p>
<p>above everything else a constitution wld ban wars on following principle: no land has the right to attack another. Each land has the right to defend self if attacked by another land or block of lands.</p>
<p>and then let the people work; pay their taxes; everything wld be fine.<br />
the hell with more theories and economic or even social &#8216;science&#8217;.<br />
as social &#8216;science&#8217;  is just another red herring.<br />
we once lived an dhad no socialism, capitalism, free markets, freedom of speech, derivatives, banks, mercenary soldiers, cia, fbi, etc.</p>
<p>we can live well or better than ever with just healthcare and  enlightement. Then add more goodies as we go along.<br />
and once amers taste some of these goodies they&#8217;d want more of the same.<br />
precisely what present americanism fears the most. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: David Kendall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46221</link>
		<dc:creator>David Kendall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 21:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with you, RG -- to a point. Economic democracy will probably never start from the ballot box, or by &quot;pushing Obama&quot; with protests, marches, demostrations, petitions, picket signs, breaking windows or breaking heads.

Economic democracy starts in the workplace -- fire the boss and reorganize democratically. So instead of a mere &quot;sit-in&quot;, why didn&#039;t the workers at Republic Windows and Doors in Chicago jump up and restart the machines, as the workers in 1,200 Argentina factories have done? There have been as many worker take-overs in the past 4-months in Argentina as there were in the 4-years prior. The main reason for much of the success in this endeavor is that the workers have virtually 100-percent community support for what they&#039;re doing.

But this raises another question: If there is so much community support for workers&#039; civil disobedience, then why don&#039;t the communities form publicly owned banks to buy the factories from the previous owners? Has this idea not occurred to them? Do they lack the funds or the organization? I doubt the latter, because they seem to be quite well organized. There might be a funding problem, but that&#039;s something that&#039;s not insurmountable with cooperative community support -- and/or collaborative organization amongst the cooperatives.

Whether such a movement is likely in the United States or not, this would be the best place for it to start for a number of reasons. As the imperial power center of the world, an expansion of the cooperative movement here would speak volumes to regions elsewhere about rejection of irrational authority and assuming control of their own destinies. In terms of civil rights alone, a US movement in this regard would be a magnificent example for the rest of the world and possibly inspiration for them to emulate.

But the US is also the one place in the world that supposedly maintains the most freedom and democracy and &quot;human rights&quot; or whatever --&quot;liberty and justice for all&quot;, &quot;land of the free and home of the brave&quot;, and all that rot. These are at least the rules of the game that the passive owners of this country want us to believe. So, while it would be very easy for the US government to find an excuse to start bombing factories and villages in Argentina, it would certainly be more difficult to justify  that strategy against domestic citizens within the United States. 

Moreover, even the corporate controlled media can&#039;t evade or distort a large, community supported performance like the one at Republic Windows and Doors. They must present the story as truthfully as possible or risk discrediting themselves through global exposure of their underlying corporate bias.

So there are lots of good reasons for expanding the cooperative sector in the United States -- from the bottom- up. Most importantly, democratic worker control of the workplace removes the influence of passive ownership from production. Democratic community control of capital investment (banking) removes passive ownership from finance. The combination of both eventually removes the dominant influence of passive ownership from government.

Lots of people claim we need more &quot;direct&quot; democracy -- probably in the form of referendum or something like that -- and I don&#039;t necessarily disagree. But how much more &quot;direct&quot; can democracy get than Bill Gates appearing before Congress to make a plea for immigration so he can avoid paying decent wages to American workers?

The problem isn&#039;t that our system of democracy is not &quot;direct&quot; enough. The problem is that passive ownership (like Gates) has far more direct access to the system than the rest of us. He has access, he has time, he has opportunity, and he has the money to make sure his interests are satisfied -- through lobbying and campaign finance and gifts and whatever else.

So, absent the extreme influence of passive ownership, representative democracy would probably work just fine. Instead of our leaders (public servants) being appointed and financially supported by corporate shareholders, they would be elected democratically from the ranks of the general public. This can be accomplished in one of two ways. We can either reorganize the political system to regulate (reform) the dominance of passive ownership -- or -- we can reorganize the economic system to prohibit (eliminate) the dominance of passive ownership.

The first option is a top-down approach. The second option is a bottom-up approach. Since passive ownership currently controls the political system, which of these approaches seems most likely to succeed? Well, passive ownership also controls the economic system -- but not completely. They do rely heavily on our participation in that regard -- far more than they do in the political arena. So even though the two don&#039;t seem directly related, they most certainly are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with you, RG &#8212; to a point. Economic democracy will probably never start from the ballot box, or by &#8220;pushing Obama&#8221; with protests, marches, demostrations, petitions, picket signs, breaking windows or breaking heads.</p>
<p>Economic democracy starts in the workplace &#8212; fire the boss and reorganize democratically. So instead of a mere &#8220;sit-in&#8221;, why didn&#8217;t the workers at Republic Windows and Doors in Chicago jump up and restart the machines, as the workers in 1,200 Argentina factories have done? There have been as many worker take-overs in the past 4-months in Argentina as there were in the 4-years prior. The main reason for much of the success in this endeavor is that the workers have virtually 100-percent community support for what they&#8217;re doing.</p>
<p>But this raises another question: If there is so much community support for workers&#8217; civil disobedience, then why don&#8217;t the communities form publicly owned banks to buy the factories from the previous owners? Has this idea not occurred to them? Do they lack the funds or the organization? I doubt the latter, because they seem to be quite well organized. There might be a funding problem, but that&#8217;s something that&#8217;s not insurmountable with cooperative community support &#8212; and/or collaborative organization amongst the cooperatives.</p>
<p>Whether such a movement is likely in the United States or not, this would be the best place for it to start for a number of reasons. As the imperial power center of the world, an expansion of the cooperative movement here would speak volumes to regions elsewhere about rejection of irrational authority and assuming control of their own destinies. In terms of civil rights alone, a US movement in this regard would be a magnificent example for the rest of the world and possibly inspiration for them to emulate.</p>
<p>But the US is also the one place in the world that supposedly maintains the most freedom and democracy and &#8220;human rights&#8221; or whatever &#8211;&#8221;liberty and justice for all&#8221;, &#8220;land of the free and home of the brave&#8221;, and all that rot. These are at least the rules of the game that the passive owners of this country want us to believe. So, while it would be very easy for the US government to find an excuse to start bombing factories and villages in Argentina, it would certainly be more difficult to justify  that strategy against domestic citizens within the United States. </p>
<p>Moreover, even the corporate controlled media can&#8217;t evade or distort a large, community supported performance like the one at Republic Windows and Doors. They must present the story as truthfully as possible or risk discrediting themselves through global exposure of their underlying corporate bias.</p>
<p>So there are lots of good reasons for expanding the cooperative sector in the United States &#8212; from the bottom- up. Most importantly, democratic worker control of the workplace removes the influence of passive ownership from production. Democratic community control of capital investment (banking) removes passive ownership from finance. The combination of both eventually removes the dominant influence of passive ownership from government.</p>
<p>Lots of people claim we need more &#8220;direct&#8221; democracy &#8212; probably in the form of referendum or something like that &#8212; and I don&#8217;t necessarily disagree. But how much more &#8220;direct&#8221; can democracy get than Bill Gates appearing before Congress to make a plea for immigration so he can avoid paying decent wages to American workers?</p>
<p>The problem isn&#8217;t that our system of democracy is not &#8220;direct&#8221; enough. The problem is that passive ownership (like Gates) has far more direct access to the system than the rest of us. He has access, he has time, he has opportunity, and he has the money to make sure his interests are satisfied &#8212; through lobbying and campaign finance and gifts and whatever else.</p>
<p>So, absent the extreme influence of passive ownership, representative democracy would probably work just fine. Instead of our leaders (public servants) being appointed and financially supported by corporate shareholders, they would be elected democratically from the ranks of the general public. This can be accomplished in one of two ways. We can either reorganize the political system to regulate (reform) the dominance of passive ownership &#8212; or &#8212; we can reorganize the economic system to prohibit (eliminate) the dominance of passive ownership.</p>
<p>The first option is a top-down approach. The second option is a bottom-up approach. Since passive ownership currently controls the political system, which of these approaches seems most likely to succeed? Well, passive ownership also controls the economic system &#8212; but not completely. They do rely heavily on our participation in that regard &#8212; far more than they do in the political arena. So even though the two don&#8217;t seem directly related, they most certainly are.</p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
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		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:42:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In class stratified America, the concept of &quot;new possibilities for a democratic surge, perhaps toward economic democracy&quot; are less than zero!

To suggest such a thing is to play along with the elites ... to give them the cover they need (as the election of BaWreck O&#039;Bushma demonstrates) that the same old same old will continue. 

We were NOT founded on equality (look at the poor and the incarcerated) ... nor freedom (don&#039;t EVER forget the slaves) ... nor any of the other horse manure connected with the &quot;CONSTITUTION&quot; ... that document to protect and serve wealth!

IF there is going to be a rebellion, it sure as hell won&#039;t start in the class driven US ... it may start in places like Latin America ... and it might (though not probably) have a snowballs chance in hell of starting in Europe.  I doubt it.

Why?

Because you still believe in the BS of the ballot box ... where we are given such real choices ... as between a fascist such as McCain/Pail-one or BaWreck O&#039;Bushma.  The former talked up the empire the other yacked about change.  Yeah?  What change.

And, here is the point ... YOU voted for one or the other.  Thus playing into the myth of choice ... of democracy.  Sadly, if you are like most people you actually believe you can make a difference.

Hah.

RG the LG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In class stratified America, the concept of &#8220;new possibilities for a democratic surge, perhaps toward economic democracy&#8221; are less than zero!</p>
<p>To suggest such a thing is to play along with the elites &#8230; to give them the cover they need (as the election of BaWreck O&#8217;Bushma demonstrates) that the same old same old will continue. </p>
<p>We were NOT founded on equality (look at the poor and the incarcerated) &#8230; nor freedom (don&#8217;t EVER forget the slaves) &#8230; nor any of the other horse manure connected with the &#8220;CONSTITUTION&#8221; &#8230; that document to protect and serve wealth!</p>
<p>IF there is going to be a rebellion, it sure as hell won&#8217;t start in the class driven US &#8230; it may start in places like Latin America &#8230; and it might (though not probably) have a snowballs chance in hell of starting in Europe.  I doubt it.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Because you still believe in the BS of the ballot box &#8230; where we are given such real choices &#8230; as between a fascist such as McCain/Pail-one or BaWreck O&#8217;Bushma.  The former talked up the empire the other yacked about change.  Yeah?  What change.</p>
<p>And, here is the point &#8230; YOU voted for one or the other.  Thus playing into the myth of choice &#8230; of democracy.  Sadly, if you are like most people you actually believe you can make a difference.</p>
<p>Hah.</p>
<p>RG the LG</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/05/a-case-for-economic-democracy/#comment-46207</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 17:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now one only needs to be awake.  That&#039;s it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now one only needs to be awake.  That&#8217;s it.</p>
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