Comments on: Toward Climate Geoengineering? http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/toward-climate-geoengineering/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Russell Olausen http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/toward-climate-geoengineering/#comment-43874 Russell Olausen Mon, 20 Apr 2009 04:40:48 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7793#comment-43874 Human life in its present state, has been around only a small fraction of a per cent of the time beasts of our bulk have been present. Any baseball manager would not pencil in a player for the next game given such a pathetic statistic. Mother nature is umping this game and we have not been around long enough to know the rules, barring mansion owning, jet setting, Nobel Peace prize holding Al Gore. Right now fire is power, the society building myth, is the capture of fire.Strip yourself of fire and you will be gone long before global warming even gives you a sun tan.I notice when big Al was second in command of your military he kept his opinion on military fuel consumption to himself. We will have to downsize,no doubt, but probably somebody a lot sneakier is considering our options for us.Just so I get some scientific respect I will point out the missing link is still missing and maybe the 'turn out the lights' gang does not get picked up when the next Galactic bus, stops. Human life in its present state, has been around only a small fraction of a per cent of the time beasts of our bulk have been present. Any baseball manager would not pencil in a player for the next game given such a pathetic statistic. Mother nature is umping this game and we have not been around long enough to know the rules, barring mansion owning, jet setting, Nobel Peace prize holding Al Gore. Right now fire is power, the society building myth, is the capture of fire.Strip yourself of fire and you will be gone long before global warming even gives you a sun tan.I notice when big Al was second in command of your military he kept his opinion on military fuel consumption to himself. We will have to downsize,no doubt, but probably somebody a lot sneakier is considering our options for us.Just so I get some scientific respect I will point out the missing link is still missing and maybe the ‘turn out the lights’ gang does not get picked up when the next Galactic bus, stops.

]]> By: Andrew http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/toward-climate-geoengineering/#comment-43864 Andrew Mon, 20 Apr 2009 01:34:13 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7793#comment-43864 Thanks Russ, Even though it all sounds like science fiction, I am afraid you may be right! Particularly, in view of the cumulative nature of CO2, if they continue to emit. Note, in the mid-Pliocene, at 400 ppm CO2, 2 to 3 degrees C rise and 25+/- sea level rise, the oceans did not acidify. But 55 Ma ago (Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum) some 2000 billion tons carbon were released as methane, triggering mass extinction. I will be interested in your further comments, particularly in view of the mid-Pliocene and PETM events. Thanks Russ, Even though it all sounds like science fiction, I am afraid you may be right!
Particularly, in view of the cumulative nature of CO2, if they continue to emit.
Note, in the mid-Pliocene, at 400 ppm CO2, 2 to 3 degrees C rise and 25+/- sea level rise, the oceans did not acidify.
But 55 Ma ago (Paleocene-Eocene thermal maximum) some 2000 billion tons carbon were released as methane, triggering mass extinction.

I will be interested in your further comments, particularly in view of the mid-Pliocene and PETM events.

]]> By: Russ http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/toward-climate-geoengineering/#comment-43849 Russ Sun, 19 Apr 2009 20:48:19 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7793#comment-43849 What of the more than1000 billion tonnes of CO2 already spewed into the air over the course of the fossil fuel age. It's barely begun to be absorbed by ecosystems, about 1/4 to date, with this it's brought ocean ecosystems to the point of deadly collapse with the tipping point at 2030. This already airborne deadly carbon bomb is more than sufficient to change the oceans back into seas of slime regardless of whether we emit even one single molecule more CO2. Got it! Slowing emissions or even stopping emissions won't save the oceans. You know that 70% part of this small blue planet. What do you propose to do about the first carbon bomb now exploding. Surely you do not believe all will be well if we simply let nature take its course. The change won't be simply the down fall of technological society. The change will be a reboot of the planetary ecosystem back to the sea state of bacteria before the evolution of green plants and animal life. The ONLY force on this plant capable of tackling the chemical shock treatment of those 1000+ billion tonnes of CO2 are the ocean plants. But wait, 12% of ocean plants in the Southern Ocean have been destroyed in the past 30 years alone, 17% in the North Atlantic, 26% in the North Pacific, and 50% in some tropical seas. These losses are directly resulting from the high CO2 that acidifies the oceans and simultaneously denies those oceans vital dust in the wind and the micronutrient iron and other minerals ocean plant life must have. Those who demand we kill the ocean ecosystems to give them political power ought to be recognized for thier evil whether they hide behind a green veil or not. Replenish and restore the oceans before it is too late. We have until 2030 to succeed not merely to begin. What of the more than1000 billion tonnes of CO2 already spewed into the air over the course of the fossil fuel age. It’s barely begun to be absorbed by ecosystems, about 1/4 to date, with this it’s brought ocean ecosystems to the point of deadly collapse with the tipping point at 2030. This already airborne deadly carbon bomb is more than sufficient to change the oceans back into seas of slime regardless of whether we emit even one single molecule more CO2. Got it! Slowing emissions or even stopping emissions won’t save the oceans. You know that 70% part of this small blue planet.

What do you propose to do about the first carbon bomb now exploding. Surely you do not believe all will be well if we simply let nature take its course. The change won’t be simply the down fall of technological society. The change will be a reboot of the planetary ecosystem back to the sea state of bacteria before the evolution of green plants and animal life.

The ONLY force on this plant capable of tackling the chemical shock treatment of those 1000+ billion tonnes of CO2 are the ocean plants. But wait, 12% of ocean plants in the Southern Ocean have been destroyed in the past 30 years alone, 17% in the North Atlantic, 26% in the North Pacific, and 50% in some tropical seas. These losses are directly resulting from the high CO2 that acidifies the oceans and simultaneously denies those oceans vital dust in the wind and the micronutrient iron and other minerals ocean plant life must have.

Those who demand we kill the ocean ecosystems to give them political power ought to be recognized for thier evil whether they hide behind a green veil or not. Replenish and restore the oceans before it is too late. We have until 2030 to succeed not merely to begin.

]]> By: Russell Olausen http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/toward-climate-geoengineering/#comment-43784 Russell Olausen Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:41:56 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7793#comment-43784 It sounds cheaper to bring L. S. D. back. It sounds cheaper to bring L. S. D. back.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/toward-climate-geoengineering/#comment-43696 Don Hawkins Sat, 18 Apr 2009 17:00:47 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7793#comment-43696 Put those boots on and think of this as kind of a war. Watch the United States Senate the next few months and you tell me if we all will need those boots. Put those boots on and think of this as kind of a war. Watch the United States Senate the next few months and you tell me if we all will need those boots.

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