Comments on: It’s Democracy’s Turn: Bankers of the World, Untie! http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Ron Moss http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/#comment-45580 Ron Moss Sun, 10 May 2009 17:06:39 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7929#comment-45580 This well written composite omits a couple items of Law. Congress SHALL have power to coin money and regulate the value thereof, leaves no options, and the US supreme Court agreed, in Schecter Poultry Corp v US295US495 1935 when it ruled"Congress cannot abdicate it's duty and delegate to another group" And, How much interest do we now pay to the fed to coin our own money, to print we pay $1.3 Billion a day. Why is it necessary to borrow our own money? the latin term Stare disisi should empower us to apply that same ruling to the Federal Reserve and eliminate it next month or tomorrow. This is not a Democracy but a Republic, The difference being, the source of it's authority. We don't need the mob on our side, just the rule of LAW! This well written composite omits a couple items of Law. Congress SHALL
have power to coin money and regulate the value thereof, leaves no options, and the US supreme Court agreed, in Schecter Poultry Corp v US295US495 1935 when it ruled”Congress cannot abdicate it’s duty and delegate to another group” And, How much interest do we now pay to the fed to coin our own money, to print we pay $1.3 Billion a day. Why is it necessary to borrow our own money? the latin term Stare disisi should empower us to apply that same ruling to the Federal Reserve and eliminate it next month or tomorrow. This is not a Democracy but a Republic, The difference being, the source of it’s authority. We don’t need the mob on our side, just the rule of LAW!

]]> By: Kaelieh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/#comment-44460 Kaelieh Sun, 26 Apr 2009 16:59:06 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7929#comment-44460 Sudden outbreak of a very bad flu strain (a la swine flu)? Seems sorta convenient. Anyone else suspicious? Sudden outbreak of a very bad flu strain (a la swine flu)? Seems sorta convenient. Anyone else suspicious?

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/#comment-44327 Don Hawkins Sat, 25 Apr 2009 15:44:35 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7929#comment-44327 Many people seem to be very worried about this swine flu. Right now you have to look very hard on line and read between the lines just a little to see if this pandemic possible pandemic is already spreading. So far it could be to late and 60 out of 1,000 don't make it. There appears to be a lag time from when you contact the flu H1N1 and when you get rather sick. So far on the news CNN, MSNBC, FOX they are talking about the jazz and is Obama doing a good job. You would think that a pandemic might make the number one story but like in the movie Jaw's where the mayor of the town was told to close the beaches he said no bad for business. This is nut's I wonder at CNN or Fox do they have a stash of Tamiflu? Don't worry listen to your leaders where the hell are they. We will know more I am sure by tonight or tomorrow. Many people seem to be very worried about this swine flu. Right now you have to look very hard on line and read between the lines just a little to see if this pandemic possible pandemic is already spreading. So far it could be to late and 60 out of 1,000 don’t make it. There appears to be a lag time from when you contact the flu H1N1 and when you get rather sick. So far on the news CNN, MSNBC, FOX they are talking about the jazz and is Obama doing a good job. You would think that a pandemic might make the number one story but like in the movie Jaw’s where the mayor of the town was told to close the beaches he said no bad for business. This is nut’s I wonder at CNN or Fox do they have a stash of Tamiflu? Don’t worry listen to your leaders where the hell are they. We will know more I am sure by tonight or tomorrow.

]]> By: Tennessee-Chavizta http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/#comment-44322 Tennessee-Chavizta Sat, 25 Apr 2009 14:33:10 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7929#comment-44322 HUGO CHAVEZ CLAIMS THAT EVEN THOUGH HE SHOOK THE HANDS OF BARACK OBAMA, THE USA IMPERIAL SYSTEM IS ALIVE AND OPPRESSING THE PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD !! (I know that the USA educational system sucks and that most americans cannot speak 2 languages like Europeans. But this article is in spanish) http://www.clavedigital.com/App_Pages/Noticias/NoticiasInt.aspx?Id_Articulo=24065 Chávez advierte que, aunque "Di con gusto la mano a Obama, el imperio está vivito y coleando" Admitió que anhelaba que Obama "sea la dignidad de su raza y el último presidente imperialista de Estados Unidos" EFE/Clave Digital viernes, 24 de abril de 2009 CARACAS, Venezuela.- El presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, dijo este viernes que hace una semana le dio "con gusto" la mano a su colega de Estados Unidos, Barack Obama, en la cumbre de Trinidad y Tobago, pero advirtió que "el imperio está vivito y coleando" . "Esta mano se la di con gusto al Presidente de Estados Unidos; él tuvo un gesto y yo tengo que reconocerlo", dijo al revelar que fue Obama quien se le acercó momentos antes de la inauguración de la V Cumbre de las Américas. "El caballero Obama viene directo a darme la mano. Vino con una sonrisa, yo le sonrío; si hubiera venido con cara de bravo, le pongo cara de bravo; si me da un derechazo, le doy un izquierdazo. Ah, le di la mano, nos dimos la mano, lo cual causó un alboroto (...), porque muchos creen que yo soy un ogro", manifestó. "La mano, sí; la sonrisa, sí; y una vez y dos veces y la tercera, y luego, en la despedida, se acercó y me dijo: 'bye bye my friend' y le dije: 'bye bye Obama', pero que nadie se equivoque, allí está el imperio vivito y coleando", sostuvo, durante una alocución televisada. No obstante, admitió que anhelaba que Obama "sea la dignidad de su raza y el último presidente imperialista de Estados Unidos". El jefe de Estado de Venezuela también explicó que le regaló a Obama el libro "Las Venas Abiertas de América Latina", del uruguayo Eduardo Galeano, a manera de respuesta a un comentario suyo de que prefería hablar del futuro y no del pasado, algo con lo cual dijo no estar de acuerdo por ser "contra natura". "Ese libro es una respuesta a lo que él dijo que venía a hablar del futuro y no del pasado (...); no se puede entender el presente sin el pasado, es contra natura", remarcó. Una nota del Ministerio de Comunicación e Información venezolano afirmó el pasado 17 de abril que Chávez manifestó a Obama ese día que deseaba "ser su amigo". "Con esta misma mano hace ocho años yo saludé a (George W.) Bush; quiero ser tu amigo", expresó Chávez al estrechar la mano del nuevo gobernante de Estados Unidos, según reveló la información oficial venezolana que entonces incluyó fotografías en la que ambos se ven sonrientes. Venezuela y Estados Unidos suspendieron sus relaciones diplomáticas en septiembre de 2008 a raíz de la expulsión del embajador en Caracas, Patrick Duddy, en "solidaridad" con una acción similar que había tomado el presidente de Bolivia y estrecho aliado de Chávez, Evo Morales. El Gobierno de Bush respondió expulsando al embajador de Venezuela en Washington, Bernardo Álvarez, quien será reemplazado por el actual embajador de Venezuela en la Organización de Estados Americanos (OEA), Roy Chaderton, anunció Chávez en Trinidad y Tobago. A su regreso a Caracas tras la cumbre, Chávez afirmó el pasado domingo que la posición de "resistencia, dignidad y soberanía" que "desde hace 10 años" defiende su Gobierno "revolucionario" obtuvo en Trinidad y Tobago "uno de sus más grandes éxitos". "Pareciera que los cambios que comenzaron en Venezuela en la última década del siglo XX han comenzado a llegar a la misma Norteamérica", agregó y reveló que con Obama habló de la disposición de ambos de recomponer las malogradas relaciones diplomáticas. HUGO CHAVEZ CLAIMS THAT EVEN THOUGH HE SHOOK THE HANDS OF BARACK OBAMA, THE USA IMPERIAL SYSTEM IS ALIVE AND OPPRESSING THE PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD !!

(I know that the USA educational system sucks and that most americans cannot speak 2 languages like Europeans. But this article is in spanish)

http://www.clavedigital.com/App_Pages/Noticias/NoticiasInt.aspx?Id_Articulo=24065

Chávez advierte que, aunque “Di con gusto la mano a Obama, el imperio está vivito y coleando”
Admitió que anhelaba que Obama “sea la dignidad de su raza y el último presidente imperialista de Estados Unidos”

EFE/Clave Digital
viernes, 24 de abril de 2009

CARACAS, Venezuela.- El presidente de Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, dijo este viernes que hace una semana le dio “con gusto” la mano a su colega de Estados Unidos, Barack Obama, en la cumbre de Trinidad y Tobago, pero advirtió que “el imperio está vivito y coleando” .

“Esta mano se la di con gusto al Presidente de Estados Unidos; él tuvo un gesto y yo tengo que reconocerlo”, dijo al revelar que fue Obama quien se le acercó momentos antes de la inauguración de la V Cumbre de las Américas.

“El caballero Obama viene directo a darme la mano. Vino con una sonrisa, yo le sonrío; si hubiera venido con cara de bravo, le pongo cara de bravo; si me da un derechazo, le doy un izquierdazo. Ah, le di la mano, nos dimos la mano, lo cual causó un alboroto (…), porque muchos creen que yo soy un ogro”, manifestó.

“La mano, sí; la sonrisa, sí; y una vez y dos veces y la tercera, y luego, en la despedida, se acercó y me dijo: ‘bye bye my friend’ y le dije: ‘bye bye Obama’, pero que nadie se equivoque, allí está el imperio vivito y coleando”, sostuvo, durante una alocución televisada.

No obstante, admitió que anhelaba que Obama “sea la dignidad de su raza y el último presidente imperialista de Estados Unidos”.

El jefe de Estado de Venezuela también explicó que le regaló a Obama el libro “Las Venas Abiertas de América Latina”, del uruguayo Eduardo Galeano, a manera de respuesta a un comentario suyo de que prefería hablar del futuro y no del pasado, algo con lo cual dijo no estar de acuerdo por ser “contra natura”.

“Ese libro es una respuesta a lo que él dijo que venía a hablar del futuro y no del pasado (…); no se puede entender el presente sin el pasado, es contra natura”, remarcó.

Una nota del Ministerio de Comunicación e Información venezolano afirmó el pasado 17 de abril que Chávez manifestó a Obama ese día que deseaba “ser su amigo”.

“Con esta misma mano hace ocho años yo saludé a (George W.) Bush; quiero ser tu amigo”, expresó Chávez al estrechar la mano del nuevo gobernante de Estados Unidos, según reveló la información oficial venezolana que entonces incluyó fotografías en la que ambos se ven sonrientes.

Venezuela y Estados Unidos suspendieron sus relaciones diplomáticas en septiembre de 2008 a raíz de la expulsión del embajador en Caracas, Patrick Duddy, en “solidaridad” con una acción similar que había tomado el presidente de Bolivia y estrecho aliado de Chávez, Evo Morales.

El Gobierno de Bush respondió expulsando al embajador de Venezuela en Washington, Bernardo Álvarez, quien será reemplazado por el actual embajador de Venezuela en la Organización de Estados Americanos (OEA), Roy Chaderton, anunció Chávez en Trinidad y Tobago.

A su regreso a Caracas tras la cumbre, Chávez afirmó el pasado domingo que la posición de “resistencia, dignidad y soberanía” que “desde hace 10 años” defiende su Gobierno “revolucionario” obtuvo en Trinidad y Tobago “uno de sus más grandes éxitos”.

“Pareciera que los cambios que comenzaron en Venezuela en la última década del siglo XX han comenzado a llegar a la misma Norteamérica”, agregó y reveló que con Obama habló de la disposición de ambos de recomponer las malogradas relaciones diplomáticas.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/#comment-44308 Don Hawkins Sat, 25 Apr 2009 12:04:18 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7929#comment-44308 But it may be too late to contain the outbreak, given how widespread the known cases are. If the confirmed deaths are the first signs of a pandemic, then cases are probably incubating around the world by now, said Dr. Michael Osterholm, a pandemic flu expert at the University of Minnesota. No vaccine specifically protects against swine flu, and it is unclear how much protection current human flu vaccines might offer. A "seed stock" genetically matched to the new swine flu virus has been created by the CDC, said Dr. Richard Besser, the agency's acting director. If the government decides vaccine production is necessary, manufacturers would need that stock to get started. Actually producing the vaccines could take months. ABC But it may be too late to contain the outbreak, given how widespread the known cases are. If the confirmed deaths are the first signs of a pandemic, then cases are probably incubating around the world by now, said Dr. Michael Osterholm, a pandemic flu expert at the University of Minnesota.

No vaccine specifically protects against swine flu, and it is unclear how much protection current human flu vaccines might offer.
A “seed stock” genetically matched to the new swine flu virus has been created by the CDC, said Dr. Richard Besser, the agency’s acting director. If the government decides vaccine production is necessary, manufacturers would need that stock to get started. Actually producing the vaccines could take months. ABC

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/#comment-44304 Don Hawkins Sat, 25 Apr 2009 11:13:12 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7929#comment-44304 The agency said about 75 students at St. Francis Preparatory School had complained Thursday of nausea, fever, dizziness and aches and pains. Several of the students were said to have recently traveled to Mexico, NYT I just goggled swine flu and it looks like people are waking up as new reports ever two minutes. Go to CDC and read. The agency said about 75 students at St. Francis Preparatory School had complained Thursday of nausea, fever, dizziness and aches and pains. Several of the students were said to have recently traveled to Mexico, NYT

I just goggled swine flu and it looks like people are waking up as new reports ever two minutes. Go to CDC and read.

]]> By: Mulga Mumblebrain http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/#comment-44287 Mulga Mumblebrain Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:45:42 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7929#comment-44287 Sorry Greg, but there is zero congruence between real democracy and capitalism, particularly that euphemistically entitled 'market capitalism'. In market capitalism money doesn't just speak-it shrieks and screeches like a banshee, foretelling the imminent death of everything but money power. It destroys creatively, but the creation is of nasty things like debt, inequality, elite privilege, and the destruction is of human society, human amity and individual character, to be replaced, as capitalism moulds individual and group behaviour and psychology, with competition, avarice and rank self-interest. And contrary to the Bowdlerised and dumbed-down versions of Adam Smith's 'Invisible Hand', the steady pursuit of self-interest, without conscience, and dominated by increasingly powerful plutocrats and a class of kleptocrats, the 'free market' brings nothing but misery for the mass of humanity. Above all else however, in its innately neoplastic nature, market capitalism lacks any sense of sufficiency and abidingness. It must grow, incessantly, like a cancer, or it will die. And there is simply no limit on the greed of its beneficiaries. They care not a fig whether humanity continues after their death, just so long as they can stand atop the dung-heap while they live and crow their immense self-satisfaction. So, while the economic implosion is being treated by application of bucket-loads of the same poisonous remedies, low interest rates, public subsidies and veritable tsunamis of new debt, that caused the malady in the first, second, third and so on, cases, guaranteeing even greater collapses in the near future, if they work this time, the direst calamity proceeds inexorably. The destruction of the planet's life-support systems, from forests, fresh water, biodiversity of animals, plants and food crops, marine resources, and an equable and stable climate, is accelerating, without sign of any concerted action, and with new and deadly synergies emerging almost daily. And, let's be candid-if market capitalism continues to call the shots, there will never be any ameliorative action, not so long as it threatens profits in any way, shape or form. Sorry Greg, but there is zero congruence between real democracy and capitalism, particularly that euphemistically entitled ‘market capitalism’. In market capitalism money doesn’t just speak-it shrieks and screeches like a banshee, foretelling the imminent death of everything but money power. It destroys creatively, but the creation is of nasty things like debt, inequality, elite privilege, and the destruction is of human society, human amity and individual character, to be replaced, as capitalism moulds individual and group behaviour and psychology, with competition, avarice and rank self-interest. And contrary to the Bowdlerised and dumbed-down versions of Adam Smith’s ‘Invisible Hand’, the steady pursuit of self-interest, without conscience, and dominated by increasingly powerful plutocrats and a class of kleptocrats, the ‘free market’ brings nothing but misery for the mass of humanity. Above all else however, in its innately neoplastic nature, market capitalism lacks any sense of sufficiency and abidingness. It must grow, incessantly, like a cancer, or it will die. And there is simply no limit on the greed of its beneficiaries. They care not a fig whether humanity continues after their death, just so long as they can stand atop the dung-heap while they live and crow their immense self-satisfaction. So, while the economic implosion is being treated by application of bucket-loads of the same poisonous remedies, low interest rates, public subsidies and veritable tsunamis of new debt, that caused the malady in the first, second, third and so on, cases, guaranteeing even greater collapses in the near future, if they work this time, the direst calamity proceeds inexorably. The destruction of the planet’s life-support systems, from forests, fresh water, biodiversity of animals, plants and food crops, marine resources, and an equable and stable climate, is accelerating, without sign of any concerted action, and with new and deadly synergies emerging almost daily. And, let’s be candid-if market capitalism continues to call the shots, there will never be any ameliorative action, not so long as it threatens profits in any way, shape or form.

]]> By: Don Hawkins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/#comment-44268 Don Hawkins Fri, 24 Apr 2009 23:43:36 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7929#comment-44268 (2) Increased public pressure. Peaceful public protests are growing – they seem to be essential to counter the influence of special interests on policy-makers. http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2009/20090424_Australia.pdf James Hansen new. (2) Increased public pressure. Peaceful public protests are growing – they seem to be essential to
counter the influence of special interests on policy-makers.

http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/mailings/2009/20090424_Australia.pdf

James Hansen new.

]]> By: Kaelieh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/it%e2%80%99s-democracy%e2%80%99s-turn-bankers-of-the-world-untie/#comment-44251 Kaelieh Fri, 24 Apr 2009 19:17:12 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7929#comment-44251 "If the Chinese can lead global growth in 2010, what happens to the claim that big governments must be incapable?" Oh deargod help us all. "a genuine national youth program" Something about that sounds kinda freaky. “If the Chinese can lead global growth in 2010, what happens to the claim that big governments must be incapable?”

Oh deargod help us all.

“a genuine national youth program”

Something about that sounds kinda freaky.

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