Comments on: How Much Was That Doggy in the White House? http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:45:36 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Best dog food – Cinnamon toothpaste irritates mouth – Vindy.com | K9 Critical Care http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-57928 Best dog food – Cinnamon toothpaste irritates mouth – Vindy.com | K9 Critical Care Thu, 29 Oct 2009 11:14:34 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-57928 [...] Posted by Joseph Delaney on 10/23/2009 at 9:51am Preserving a breed and its characteristics is, in my opinion a very good thing. PWD’s Posted by Wayne on 10/23/2009 at 9:44am One constant service provided by DV is continuing proof of how very more [...] [...] Posted by Joseph Delaney on 10/23/2009 at 9:51am Preserving a breed and its characteristics is, in my opinion a very good thing. PWD’s Posted by Wayne on 10/23/2009 at 9:44am One constant service provided by DV is continuing proof of how very more [...]

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]]> By: Wayne http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-57612 Wayne Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:44:28 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-57612 Preserving a breed and its characteristics is, in my opinion a very good thing. PWD's were nearly extinct and someone went to great lengths to bring them back. What can be wrong with that. Furthermore, what is more shameful is people who allow there unspayed dogs to have litters that will more likely wind up in shelters? or breeders who fill an individuals desire for a specific breed and preserve that breeds characteristics? Rescueing a dog from a shelter would very likely encourage or endorse people to not spay or neuter their pets, or at least send the wrong message to people who do not as they very well should. Congratulations to the Obamas for helping preserve a once nearly extinct breed and not encouraging people to allow their pets to have litters just to send them to shelters. Spay and neuter your muts! Preserving a breed and its characteristics is, in my opinion a very good thing. PWD’s were nearly extinct and someone went to great lengths to bring them back. What can be wrong with that. Furthermore, what is more shameful is people who allow there unspayed dogs to have litters that will more likely wind up in shelters? or breeders who fill an individuals desire for a specific breed and preserve that breeds characteristics? Rescueing a dog from a shelter would very likely encourage or endorse people to not spay or neuter their pets, or at least send the wrong message to people who do not as they very well should. Congratulations to the Obamas for helping preserve a once nearly extinct breed and not encouraging people to allow their pets to have litters just to send them to shelters. Spay and neuter your muts!

]]> By: Brandy Baker http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-44530 Brandy Baker Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:27:41 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-44530 Good work, Lee. Instead of giving a pet that faces euthanasia (solely because of our throw away consumerist culture) a second chance, the Obamas followed the path of their elite friends and got a boutique pet. Dog breeding should be outlawed as long as we have such an overpopulation of pets. Good work, Lee.
Instead of giving a pet that faces euthanasia (solely because of our throw away consumerist culture) a second chance, the Obamas followed the path of their elite friends and got a boutique pet.

Dog breeding should be outlawed as long as we have such an overpopulation of pets.

]]> By: Dave Lajeunesse http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-44058 Dave Lajeunesse Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:28:25 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-44058 Sophie, Surely you jest. Healthy collaboration with their owners. What gives us the right to own any living thing? How can a cattle, sheep, hunting dog utilization be anything but abuse? Abuse of the dogs as well as the cattle, sheep, or birds suffering such harassment. These animals are nothing but slaves made to perform to meet our goals or standards. I believe, what ever the outcome dogs and all living things should be left to their own accord. Human animals should be nurturers not dominators. Domestication was not a choice made by the dominated. Sophie,
Surely you jest. Healthy collaboration with their owners. What gives us the right to own any living thing?
How can a cattle, sheep, hunting dog utilization be anything but abuse? Abuse of the dogs as well as the cattle, sheep, or birds suffering such harassment. These animals are nothing but slaves made to perform to meet our goals or standards.
I believe, what ever the outcome dogs and all living things should be left to their own accord. Human animals should be nurturers not dominators. Domestication was not a choice made by the dominated.

]]> By: Jeff Perz http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-44022 Jeff Perz Wed, 22 Apr 2009 05:50:20 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-44022 Thank you, Lee, for this excellent article. It reminds me of something you noted previously: 95% of domesticated dogs come from just three original founding females. Intensive breeding by humans over the last 500 years - not different genetic origins - is responsible for the dramatic differences in appearance among modern dogs. This conclusion was drawn by three teams of genetic researchers who published their findings in the journal _Science_. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2498669.stm You observed how this dispels the myth of 'voluntary' domestication by the campfire. Thank you, Lee, for this excellent article.

It reminds me of something you noted previously:

95% of domesticated dogs come from just three original founding females. Intensive breeding by humans over the last 500 years – not different genetic origins – is responsible for the dramatic differences in appearance among modern dogs. This conclusion was drawn by three teams of genetic researchers who published their findings in the journal _Science_.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2498669.stm

You observed how this dispels the myth of ‘voluntary’ domestication by the campfire.

]]> By: Ellie Maldonado http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-44017 Ellie Maldonado Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:28:57 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-44017 Why do we expect dogs to perform tasks for us? Why do we expect dogs to perform tasks for us?

]]> By: lichen http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-44014 lichen Wed, 22 Apr 2009 04:01:37 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-44014 Yes, it is very insulting that people insist on elite breeds of dogs with certain set traits and appearances, completely ignoring that each animal has an individual, unique personality regardless of hair type etc, and the nicest one might be one you rescue from a shelter. Furthermore, it shouldn't be assumed that it is right to make dogs slaves who constantly work when you have no method of compensating them. Yes, it is very insulting that people insist on elite breeds of dogs with certain set traits and appearances, completely ignoring that each animal has an individual, unique personality regardless of hair type etc, and the nicest one might be one you rescue from a shelter. Furthermore, it shouldn’t be assumed that it is right to make dogs slaves who constantly work when you have no method of compensating them.

]]> By: Sophie http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-43994 Sophie Tue, 21 Apr 2009 21:30:53 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-43994 Obama's aside, people who suggest that all pedigree dog breeding should be banned are clearly very ignorant of the relationship that exists between dogs and humans. Not all dogs are fashion accessories, many still do vital jobs in healthy collaboration with their owners, such as sheep dogs, cattle dogs, terriers, sporting dogs, rescue dogs etc. Some mutts may also be able to perform these tasks, but in many cases it is unlikely. And anyway if dog breeding were to cease what would be the outcome - dogs in zoo's, dogs wild in national parks ? or extinction? Obama’s aside, people who suggest that all pedigree dog breeding should be banned are clearly very ignorant of the relationship that exists between dogs and humans. Not all dogs are fashion accessories, many still do vital jobs in healthy collaboration with their owners, such as sheep dogs, cattle dogs, terriers, sporting dogs, rescue dogs etc. Some mutts may also be able to perform these tasks, but in many cases it is unlikely. And anyway if dog breeding were to cease what would be the outcome – dogs in zoo’s, dogs wild in national parks ? or extinction?

]]> By: Maryanne Appel http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-43964 Maryanne Appel Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:06:19 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-43964 It is regrettable that the Obamas have chosen to teach their children that dogs - and by extension, other animals - are simply commodities to please the immature sensibilities that so many of us refuse to relinquish, long into our adult years. Sadly, the lesson that was ignored here is that there is no need for anyone to have a pet, and that instead of breeding dogs and other animals, we should leave them alone to live their lives free of human domination and interference. If we took the time, and cared enough, to "listen" to what members of other species were saying, I believe we would hear a loud chorus of voices demanding that we just leave them be! Instead of acting in ways that satisfy our own desire to manipulate, dominate, and control, all we have to do is care enough to comprehend the needs and pleasures of other beings. Words aren't necessary, understanding is. Of course, it goes without saying that homeless dogs, cats, and other animals in shelters or abandoned on our streets need lifelong care, and it is our obligation to provide that to them. It is regrettable that the Obamas have chosen to teach their children that dogs – and by extension, other animals – are simply commodities to please the immature sensibilities that so many of us refuse to relinquish, long into our adult years. Sadly, the lesson that was ignored here is that there is no need for anyone to have a pet, and that instead of breeding dogs and other animals, we should leave them alone to live their lives free of human domination and interference.

If we took the time, and cared enough, to “listen” to what members of other species were saying, I believe we would hear a loud chorus of voices demanding that we just leave them be! Instead of acting in ways that satisfy our own desire to manipulate, dominate, and control, all we have to do is care enough to comprehend the needs and pleasures of other beings. Words aren’t necessary, understanding is.

Of course, it goes without saying that homeless dogs, cats, and other animals in shelters or abandoned on our streets need lifelong care, and it is our obligation to provide that to them.

]]> By: Ellie Maldonado http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-43963 Ellie Maldonado Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:45:11 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-43963 What gives us the "right" to manipulate, control, and dominate living beings, whether human or nonhuman -- in this case to make dogs marketable products that come in different shapes, sizes, colors, and length of hair? It behooves us to move beyond the notion that "might makes right", which is really no right at all. What gives us the “right” to manipulate, control, and dominate living beings, whether human or nonhuman — in this case to make dogs marketable products that come in different shapes, sizes, colors, and length of hair? It behooves us to move beyond the notion that “might makes right”, which is really no right at all.

]]> By: Dave Lajeunesse http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-43961 Dave Lajeunesse Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:02:28 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-43961 This is surely an Obamanation. The spin about this being a rescue dog is misleading at best. Anything done supporting animal domination needs to be criticised by all concerned citizens. Most of our choices come from learned behavior and ignorance about animal rights. Engaging and educating the public is necessary in order to have any kind of lasting change for the good of the animals. The presidents selection offers a high profile piggyback opportunity to help get the word out about animal rights. Articulate composers like Lee Hall creat awareness in all of us. Thanks Lee. This is surely an Obamanation. The spin about this being a rescue dog is misleading at best.
Anything done supporting animal domination needs to be criticised by all concerned citizens. Most of our choices come from learned behavior and ignorance about animal rights. Engaging and educating the public is necessary in order to have any kind of lasting change for the good of the animals. The presidents selection offers a high profile piggyback opportunity to help get the word out about animal rights. Articulate composers like Lee Hall creat awareness in all of us.
Thanks Lee.

]]> By: chloe http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-43946 chloe Tue, 21 Apr 2009 06:50:49 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-43946 Ms. Hall is correct that the Obamas' decision sucks. "Selecting a pet" isn't like selecting what flavor of ice cream you prefer; the repercussions of buying a dog from a breeder are profound and affect far more than just the person who's getting the dog -- especially in a high-profile situation like the one involving the Obamas. For that reason, anyone with any shred of social responsibilty would realize the Obamas' dog situation was not not simply a matter of personal choice or a "right." In this case, it's a terrible wrong that the Obamas just perpetrated against our canine companions. Ms. Hall is correct that the Obamas’ decision sucks. “Selecting a pet” isn’t like selecting what flavor of ice cream you prefer; the repercussions of buying a dog from a breeder are profound and affect far more than just the person who’s getting the dog — especially in a high-profile situation like the one involving the Obamas. For that reason, anyone with any shred of social responsibilty would realize the Obamas’ dog situation was not not simply a matter of personal choice or a “right.” In this case, it’s a terrible wrong that the Obamas just perpetrated against our canine companions.

]]> By: Synic3 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/how-much-was-that-doggy-in-the-white-house/#comment-43930 Synic3 Tue, 21 Apr 2009 02:32:43 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7831#comment-43930 Mr. Hall, I am not a fan of Obama who is a repeat Bush, however every person has the right to pick the pet he prefers. Pets are important part of life and selecting a pet reflects many factors and preferences. Mr. Hall,

I am not a fan of Obama who is a repeat Bush, however every person
has the right to pick the pet he prefers. Pets are important part of
life and selecting a pet reflects many factors and preferences.

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