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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/fake-faith-and-epic-crimes/#comment-42494</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 01:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;We defeated the ‘other’ fascist empires … in order to preserve our own?&quot;

Of course. Hitler was a threat - not to democracy but to the existing Western empire. Hitler was too ambitious, too radical, and Germany too dangerous.

The Western elite have no principles, certainly no concern for democracy, and fascism is just another tool to be used or not used or somewhat used for the sake of their own power.

That America was fighting a &quot;war against fascism&quot; was merely propaganda, to allow the populace to feel good about and support the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We defeated the ‘other’ fascist empires … in order to preserve our own?&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course. Hitler was a threat &#8211; not to democracy but to the existing Western empire. Hitler was too ambitious, too radical, and Germany too dangerous.</p>
<p>The Western elite have no principles, certainly no concern for democracy, and fascism is just another tool to be used or not used or somewhat used for the sake of their own power.</p>
<p>That America was fighting a &#8220;war against fascism&#8221; was merely propaganda, to allow the populace to feel good about and support the war.</p>
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		<title>By: mary</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/fake-faith-and-epic-crimes/#comment-42460</link>
		<dc:creator>mary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 14:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you say John Andrews, we can read another fine article by John Pilger.

I agree with your views on Newsinger&#039;s book and recommend it often to friends. Unfortunately I don&#039;t own a copy although I have tried to purchase one. When I last borrowed it from the public library, they had to acquire the one copy in the possession of a neighbouring county. As you say there is something odd going on. The thought police do not want us to read it perhaps.

The self appointed priest to the world community, Blair, is still jetting round the world preaching his messages. Recently he was in the Middle East and the Far East - see his Faith Foundation 
http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/ 
and was even writing in the Jewish Chronicle yesterday about Rwanda  Does he have illusions of grandeur or is he just delusional?

This  link to the Blair War Crimes Foundation takes you to a steadily growing list of signatures. 
http://blairfoundation.wordpress.com/
Some of the comments left indicate the opprobrium in which he is held and the disgust people feel about his crimes and anger that he is still free.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you say John Andrews, we can read another fine article by John Pilger.</p>
<p>I agree with your views on Newsinger&#8217;s book and recommend it often to friends. Unfortunately I don&#8217;t own a copy although I have tried to purchase one. When I last borrowed it from the public library, they had to acquire the one copy in the possession of a neighbouring county. As you say there is something odd going on. The thought police do not want us to read it perhaps.</p>
<p>The self appointed priest to the world community, Blair, is still jetting round the world preaching his messages. Recently he was in the Middle East and the Far East &#8211; see his Faith Foundation<br />
<a href="http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tonyblairfaithfoundation.org/</a><br />
and was even writing in the Jewish Chronicle yesterday about Rwanda  Does he have illusions of grandeur or is he just delusional?</p>
<p>This  link to the Blair War Crimes Foundation takes you to a steadily growing list of signatures.<br />
<a href="http://blairfoundation.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://blairfoundation.wordpress.com/</a><br />
Some of the comments left indicate the opprobrium in which he is held and the disgust people feel about his crimes and anger that he is still free.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/fake-faith-and-epic-crimes/#comment-42453</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 12:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ rg: The problem is, we Americans believe in &quot;The System&quot;.  There are buttons to push, levers to pull (the public ones do nothing, just keep the people busy) and everyone&#039;s happy. Sort of like the kiddie seat in the car with the steering wheel and beep-beep horn, we get to act like we&#039;re driving the car. Problem is, most of us believe it.

The Bush years showed us the truth of the matter, if we cared to look.

Although there was a &quot;congress assembled&quot; in the name of &quot;We the people&quot;, the former had very little to do with acting in the intersts of the latter. When the vice president was apprised of the fact that the public was not pleased with his and other&#039;s actions, he summed up the situation in one word:

&quot;So&quot;?

We were given the not so subtle hint that &quot;citizenship&quot; was at the pleasure, convenience, and whim of those in charge and &quot;problem children&quot; would get punished most severely. 

They didn&#039;t quite go so far as Pinochett, the Greek Colonels, or the Argentines during &quot;The Troubles&quot; but the potential was always there and a lot of people knew it. It&#039;s a little softer under this regime&#039;, but the potential has been assessed, and they&#039;ve got a bit of a taste for it.

Finley Peter Dunne gave a good comment about the world court and the miscreants involved about a century ago. I&#039;m not comforted to see that his assessment is still spot on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ rg: The problem is, we Americans believe in &#8220;The System&#8221;.  There are buttons to push, levers to pull (the public ones do nothing, just keep the people busy) and everyone&#8217;s happy. Sort of like the kiddie seat in the car with the steering wheel and beep-beep horn, we get to act like we&#8217;re driving the car. Problem is, most of us believe it.</p>
<p>The Bush years showed us the truth of the matter, if we cared to look.</p>
<p>Although there was a &#8220;congress assembled&#8221; in the name of &#8220;We the people&#8221;, the former had very little to do with acting in the intersts of the latter. When the vice president was apprised of the fact that the public was not pleased with his and other&#8217;s actions, he summed up the situation in one word:</p>
<p>&#8220;So&#8221;?</p>
<p>We were given the not so subtle hint that &#8220;citizenship&#8221; was at the pleasure, convenience, and whim of those in charge and &#8220;problem children&#8221; would get punished most severely. </p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t quite go so far as Pinochett, the Greek Colonels, or the Argentines during &#8220;The Troubles&#8221; but the potential was always there and a lot of people knew it. It&#8217;s a little softer under this regime&#8217;, but the potential has been assessed, and they&#8217;ve got a bit of a taste for it.</p>
<p>Finley Peter Dunne gave a good comment about the world court and the miscreants involved about a century ago. I&#8217;m not comforted to see that his assessment is still spot on.</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/fake-faith-and-epic-crimes/#comment-42445</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 10:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m currently reading John Newsinger&#039;s wonderful book &#039;The Blood Never Dried - A People&#039;s History of the British Empire&#039;, and have just come across this superb section:

&quot; Public life was to a large extent a fraud ... the insincerities of debate were ingrained in him ... if he had a new distasteful policy to pursue his first objective was to persuade himself into a belief that it was really congenial to him, and at this he worked until he had made himself his own convert ... Thus he was always saved the too close consciousness of his insincerities ...&quot;

No, this wasn&#039;t written about Blair, but another &#039;great British statesman&#039;, William Gladstone. They are the words of one Wilfred Scawen Blunt writing over a hundred years ago. As Mr Newsinger comments a good deal more recently:

&quot;The problem was not that Gladstone was a liar, but rather that he had the very useful facility of being able to convince himself that anything was right.&quot;

They say, don&#039;t they, that people may teach themselves to defeat lie detector machines not simply by dreaming up an alibi, but by convincing themselves the alibi is true.

There can be no serious doubt that Blair should be charged with war crimes; and nothing better illustrates the sick cynicism of our ruling elites than the appointment of this man as Middle East &#039;peace envoy&#039;.

It is also interesting to point out that Mr Newsinger&#039;s superb expose of a few of the disgraces of the British Empire, although only published in 2006, has mysteriously disappeared from sale. The copy I eventually found is from the other side of the country at Bristol public library.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m currently reading John Newsinger&#8217;s wonderful book &#8216;The Blood Never Dried &#8211; A People&#8217;s History of the British Empire&#8217;, and have just come across this superb section:</p>
<p>&#8221; Public life was to a large extent a fraud &#8230; the insincerities of debate were ingrained in him &#8230; if he had a new distasteful policy to pursue his first objective was to persuade himself into a belief that it was really congenial to him, and at this he worked until he had made himself his own convert &#8230; Thus he was always saved the too close consciousness of his insincerities &#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>No, this wasn&#8217;t written about Blair, but another &#8216;great British statesman&#8217;, William Gladstone. They are the words of one Wilfred Scawen Blunt writing over a hundred years ago. As Mr Newsinger comments a good deal more recently:</p>
<p>&#8220;The problem was not that Gladstone was a liar, but rather that he had the very useful facility of being able to convince himself that anything was right.&#8221;</p>
<p>They say, don&#8217;t they, that people may teach themselves to defeat lie detector machines not simply by dreaming up an alibi, but by convincing themselves the alibi is true.</p>
<p>There can be no serious doubt that Blair should be charged with war crimes; and nothing better illustrates the sick cynicism of our ruling elites than the appointment of this man as Middle East &#8216;peace envoy&#8217;.</p>
<p>It is also interesting to point out that Mr Newsinger&#8217;s superb expose of a few of the disgraces of the British Empire, although only published in 2006, has mysteriously disappeared from sale. The copy I eventually found is from the other side of the country at Bristol public library.</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/fake-faith-and-epic-crimes/#comment-42438</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another brilliant piece JP. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another brilliant piece JP. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/fake-faith-and-epic-crimes/#comment-42424</link>
		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 00:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Obama’s continuation of Bush’s vile policies is proof 
          that not only is change impossible, but so is hope 
          misplaced.&quot;  
Thus, spake JSHatch.  And, therefore, the so-called &#039;good guys &#039; we learned about in our history classes are not at all good?

It makes one think that everything is a fraud ... and perhaps it is.  It made an idealist into a cynic ... cynicism being the hard shell aidealist grows to protect the idealism from reality.

It makes one skeptical ... when the word &#039;hope&#039; is used and misused ... one begins to think not in terms of making things better, rather a return to the status quo, ante.

And thus the ultimate apparent hypocrisy of Mr. O&#039;Bama ... just another in a long series of presidents who are thoroughly in support of the empire and its domination.  We, complicit in that alleged hope, voted for him ... made him president ... and he promised some form of &#039;hope&#039; for a past that never was ... nor ever will be.

So much for freedom ... and what we were taught was democracy.   We won&#039;t even think about something as transient as justice.  And, the ubercriminals have and will continue to triumph ... and so long as we have our alleged rights of access to wealth ... the rest of the world can simply go to hell.

The Ubercriminals won, and will continue to win, because (as co-conspirators) that IS the way we want it to be.

In cynical skepticism ....

RG the LG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obama’s continuation of Bush’s vile policies is proof<br />
          that not only is change impossible, but so is hope<br />
          misplaced.&#8221;<br />
Thus, spake JSHatch.  And, therefore, the so-called &#8216;good guys &#8216; we learned about in our history classes are not at all good?</p>
<p>It makes one think that everything is a fraud &#8230; and perhaps it is.  It made an idealist into a cynic &#8230; cynicism being the hard shell aidealist grows to protect the idealism from reality.</p>
<p>It makes one skeptical &#8230; when the word &#8216;hope&#8217; is used and misused &#8230; one begins to think not in terms of making things better, rather a return to the status quo, ante.</p>
<p>And thus the ultimate apparent hypocrisy of Mr. O&#8217;Bama &#8230; just another in a long series of presidents who are thoroughly in support of the empire and its domination.  We, complicit in that alleged hope, voted for him &#8230; made him president &#8230; and he promised some form of &#8216;hope&#8217; for a past that never was &#8230; nor ever will be.</p>
<p>So much for freedom &#8230; and what we were taught was democracy.   We won&#8217;t even think about something as transient as justice.  And, the ubercriminals have and will continue to triumph &#8230; and so long as we have our alleged rights of access to wealth &#8230; the rest of the world can simply go to hell.</p>
<p>The Ubercriminals won, and will continue to win, because (as co-conspirators) that IS the way we want it to be.</p>
<p>In cynical skepticism &#8230;.</p>
<p>RG the LG</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Hatch</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/fake-faith-and-epic-crimes/#comment-42411</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:01:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s simply amazing to me that ubercriminals like Blair, Kissinger, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al would enjoy any purchase except against the bars of a jail cell.

Obama&#039;s continuation of Bush&#039;s vile policies is proof that not only is change impossible, but so is hope misplaced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s simply amazing to me that ubercriminals like Blair, Kissinger, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al would enjoy any purchase except against the bars of a jail cell.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s continuation of Bush&#8217;s vile policies is proof that not only is change impossible, but so is hope misplaced.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/fake-faith-and-epic-crimes/#comment-42408</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right, rg lg,
vast numbers of euros were and are still vastly enserfed  and disenpowered.  amers were intially mostly euros.  it is not that some people have not seen this such phenomena even before the rise of socalled early civilizations such as sumer, egypt, akkad.

however, most of such observers faced death, banishment, or were executed. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right, rg lg,<br />
vast numbers of euros were and are still vastly enserfed  and disenpowered.  amers were intially mostly euros.  it is not that some people have not seen this such phenomena even before the rise of socalled early civilizations such as sumer, egypt, akkad.</p>
<p>however, most of such observers faced death, banishment, or were executed. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/fake-faith-and-epic-crimes/#comment-42406</link>
		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 16:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is that it is about time.

Too bad that, as Americans, we can not admit to our complicity.

We are no better than the Germans, 1923 - 1945, who tolerated the rise of the Nazi ... and were also complicit.

But then, again, we imported ex-Nazi apparatchik after WWII ... so we should have known we were not all that different.

We defeated the &#039;other&#039; fascist empires ... in order to preserve our own?  Maybe the best thing W &amp; Co. did was galvanize the ethical portions of the human soul to acknowledge the crimes we have been committing since our founding.

In Cynicism and Skepticism,

RG the LG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that it is about time.</p>
<p>Too bad that, as Americans, we can not admit to our complicity.</p>
<p>We are no better than the Germans, 1923 &#8211; 1945, who tolerated the rise of the Nazi &#8230; and were also complicit.</p>
<p>But then, again, we imported ex-Nazi apparatchik after WWII &#8230; so we should have known we were not all that different.</p>
<p>We defeated the &#8216;other&#8217; fascist empires &#8230; in order to preserve our own?  Maybe the best thing W &amp; Co. did was galvanize the ethical portions of the human soul to acknowledge the crimes we have been committing since our founding.</p>
<p>In Cynicism and Skepticism,</p>
<p>RG the LG</p>
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