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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/democrats-duck-bush-torture-probe/#comment-42551</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 22:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kailieh,
we can all do s&#039;mthing. one can distribute leaflets that wld  include a plea for just a  few basic rights be honored by their gov&#039;t.
e.g., free education for all, healthcare, and no more warfare. and for their gov&#039;t to be our gov&#039;t one can vote for nader.
and if you have the courage to talk to people on the street in order to enligten them, that&#039;s a third thing to do.

instead of writing to a politician, write on the alternet media.  i agree that writing to a senator or congressperson is about zero effective. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kailieh,<br />
we can all do s&#8217;mthing. one can distribute leaflets that wld  include a plea for just a  few basic rights be honored by their gov&#8217;t.<br />
e.g., free education for all, healthcare, and no more warfare. and for their gov&#8217;t to be our gov&#8217;t one can vote for nader.<br />
and if you have the courage to talk to people on the street in order to enligten them, that&#8217;s a third thing to do.</p>
<p>instead of writing to a politician, write on the alternet media.  i agree that writing to a senator or congressperson is about zero effective. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Kaelieh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/democrats-duck-bush-torture-probe/#comment-42538</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaelieh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 18:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozh, I guess my saving grace is that I&#039;m not married then?

I don&#039;t tolerate the lies, I know they&#039;re there and I&#039;m angry about them. I constantly write my senators and congressmen urging for legislation that I want (like the Employee Free Choice Act, against TARP, etc) and have written both them and the attorney general about prosecuting the Bush Administration. I realize that most this never comes to fruition (the only thing off the top of my head is one of my senators opposing TARP from day one and still trying to stop the bailouts and freeze the funds).

I think, or at least I hope, that most or at least some Americans do have a clue and they just don&#039;t know what to do. I know what credit default swaps are, that Goldman Sachs pretty much owns our government, the scam that is the Federal Reserve, that our government is purposely destabilizing Pakistan to expand the war there, etc.  But honestly, I feel quite powerless. I really don&#039;t know what to do to change things. I know writing people and the papers isn&#039;t enough, I know that constantly annoying my friends with the facts isn&#039;t enough, but I don&#039;t know what else is there.

There are oodles of problems with the education system and especially history, but I feel that one thing that never gets really talked about is teaching people what the can do to effect change (writing letters isn&#039;t enough).

Besides that, at least here in Louisiana it is especially hard to mobilize the population, one because there is such a laid back attitude and two most of us are just bidding our time until we can move out of state.

But, really what is just a regular citizen supposed to do? Sure, there are plenty that just don&#039;t know and that&#039;s a real problem. But, for those who do know, some of us are really lost and don&#039;t know how to take action. At least that&#039;s my problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozh, I guess my saving grace is that I&#8217;m not married then?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t tolerate the lies, I know they&#8217;re there and I&#8217;m angry about them. I constantly write my senators and congressmen urging for legislation that I want (like the Employee Free Choice Act, against TARP, etc) and have written both them and the attorney general about prosecuting the Bush Administration. I realize that most this never comes to fruition (the only thing off the top of my head is one of my senators opposing TARP from day one and still trying to stop the bailouts and freeze the funds).</p>
<p>I think, or at least I hope, that most or at least some Americans do have a clue and they just don&#8217;t know what to do. I know what credit default swaps are, that Goldman Sachs pretty much owns our government, the scam that is the Federal Reserve, that our government is purposely destabilizing Pakistan to expand the war there, etc.  But honestly, I feel quite powerless. I really don&#8217;t know what to do to change things. I know writing people and the papers isn&#8217;t enough, I know that constantly annoying my friends with the facts isn&#8217;t enough, but I don&#8217;t know what else is there.</p>
<p>There are oodles of problems with the education system and especially history, but I feel that one thing that never gets really talked about is teaching people what the can do to effect change (writing letters isn&#8217;t enough).</p>
<p>Besides that, at least here in Louisiana it is especially hard to mobilize the population, one because there is such a laid back attitude and two most of us are just bidding our time until we can move out of state.</p>
<p>But, really what is just a regular citizen supposed to do? Sure, there are plenty that just don&#8217;t know and that&#8217;s a real problem. But, for those who do know, some of us are really lost and don&#8217;t know how to take action. At least that&#8217;s my problem.</p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/democrats-duck-bush-torture-probe/#comment-42533</link>
		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John ... I think, rather, both.

In a DV post on Saturday an author pointed out the amnesia and the blatant lies in our schools and media.

Those lies are not only tolerated ... but they are expected by Americans.

RG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John &#8230; I think, rather, both.</p>
<p>In a DV post on Saturday an author pointed out the amnesia and the blatant lies in our schools and media.</p>
<p>Those lies are not only tolerated &#8230; but they are expected by Americans.</p>
<p>RG</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Hatch</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/democrats-duck-bush-torture-probe/#comment-42491</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:51:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If America doesn&#039;t hold its torturers to account, then it stands for nothing at all. Not only is it financially bankrupt, but morally as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If America doesn&#8217;t hold its torturers to account, then it stands for nothing at all. Not only is it financially bankrupt, but morally as well.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/democrats-duck-bush-torture-probe/#comment-42489</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 23:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>rg the lg,
what you have just said is not cynical. however, i want to say that in my experience, most canadians and probably most amers just don&#039;t know what goes on or have accepted gov&#039;t  &#039;facts&#039;  as facts.

i think anyone who has a wife wld say that she  doesn&#039;t read alternate media. most women read msm only. but avoid reading about warfare.
they have paris hilton and co. on their mind or whether laura is leaving bush and they may ask, What&#039;s gaza?  Zionism, what&#039;s that?  or even, i love bush.
or we are at war but hussein was going to bomb us, etcetc. 
i affirm once again, people are OK; they are just what nature had made them.  don&#039;t ask for more, that&#039;s all we got and we have to do with what we have.
and the ruling class knew this 10T yrs ago and took steps to give people the &#039;education&#039;  fit for or to benefit only the ruling class.    
let&#039;s not forget that one of our greatests wealths is trust; it&#039;s innate;deep in our bones; that&#039;s why lies are so effective.
once you trust no one, you are headed for a looney bin or think you are headed to clazy house or whatever.
life wld be intolerable if we harbored no hope, no trust, etc. psychotic personalities such as politicians and clergy usurp these phenomena for own gain of power or illusion of grandeur. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>rg the lg,<br />
what you have just said is not cynical. however, i want to say that in my experience, most canadians and probably most amers just don&#8217;t know what goes on or have accepted gov&#8217;t  &#8216;facts&#8217;  as facts.</p>
<p>i think anyone who has a wife wld say that she  doesn&#8217;t read alternate media. most women read msm only. but avoid reading about warfare.<br />
they have paris hilton and co. on their mind or whether laura is leaving bush and they may ask, What&#8217;s gaza?  Zionism, what&#8217;s that?  or even, i love bush.<br />
or we are at war but hussein was going to bomb us, etcetc.<br />
i affirm once again, people are OK; they are just what nature had made them.  don&#8217;t ask for more, that&#8217;s all we got and we have to do with what we have.<br />
and the ruling class knew this 10T yrs ago and took steps to give people the &#8216;education&#8217;  fit for or to benefit only the ruling class.<br />
let&#8217;s not forget that one of our greatests wealths is trust; it&#8217;s innate;deep in our bones; that&#8217;s why lies are so effective.<br />
once you trust no one, you are headed for a looney bin or think you are headed to clazy house or whatever.<br />
life wld be intolerable if we harbored no hope, no trust, etc. psychotic personalities such as politicians and clergy usurp these phenomena for own gain of power or illusion of grandeur. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/democrats-duck-bush-torture-probe/#comment-42472</link>
		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 17:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I am a cynic.  I am a skeptic.  If anyone related in any way to any form of government says anything I go into automatic disbelief.

So, why are the democrats so &#039;weak&#039; on dealing with BushCo on torture?

Because the democrats are complicit ... just like the American public (you and I) are complicit:  they, as we, tolerated torture in the past ... by BOTH our allies and our surrogates.  Thus, torture is a Pandora&#039;s box they dare not open  Just like with their mentors in Nazi Europe, and the Nazi forebears in the extermination of the Native American, the mistreatment of the slaves ... etc., they know who would be next.

It is, indeed, a slippery slope they fear to think about, much less go down.  That, and of course the financial disaster they helped to create, is not something they wanted to admit to nor acknowledge!

In Skeptical Cynicism,

RG the LG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I am a cynic.  I am a skeptic.  If anyone related in any way to any form of government says anything I go into automatic disbelief.</p>
<p>So, why are the democrats so &#8216;weak&#8217; on dealing with BushCo on torture?</p>
<p>Because the democrats are complicit &#8230; just like the American public (you and I) are complicit:  they, as we, tolerated torture in the past &#8230; by BOTH our allies and our surrogates.  Thus, torture is a Pandora&#8217;s box they dare not open  Just like with their mentors in Nazi Europe, and the Nazi forebears in the extermination of the Native American, the mistreatment of the slaves &#8230; etc., they know who would be next.</p>
<p>It is, indeed, a slippery slope they fear to think about, much less go down.  That, and of course the financial disaster they helped to create, is not something they wanted to admit to nor acknowledge!</p>
<p>In Skeptical Cynicism,</p>
<p>RG the LG</p>
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