Comments on: A Rocky Beachhead: Instability in Georgia Puts US Geostrategic Plans at Risk http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/a-rocky-beachhead-instability-in-georgia-puts-us-geostrategic-plans-at-risk/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/a-rocky-beachhead-instability-in-georgia-puts-us-geostrategic-plans-at-risk/#comment-43359 Michael Kenny Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:16:16 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7730#comment-43359 Bear in mind that Georgia is just one part of the Israel Lobby's strategy to divide Europe and keep in under the American jackboot, which, of course, is itself just a part of the broader strategy of puppet regimes around Israel that led to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the confrontation with Iran. Europe has already had Kosovo, the Polish missiles and, more recently, Moldova, all of which, in the simplistic American worldview, should have set Europeans, in particular, Russia and the EU, at each other's throats. Indeed, you might also add the disastrous economic advice "sold" to the ex-communist states by the American neo-liberal gurus, which might well have been intended to create an "counter-EU" in Eastern Europe. The reason for all this, of course, is the strange historical relationship between Europe and the Jews. Israel needs Europe as a staging post for US forces and military supplies but regards Europeans as dangerous creatures who have to be kept firmly chained up! One small point, though, where Mr Walberg contradicts himself. He starts by trying to assimilate the US and the EU but forgets that the European members of NATO which are blocking Georgia's entry into the alliance are EU Member States! If the EU was really Saakashvili's "parton", what would be the point of stabbing him in the back like that? I would guess that the EU leaders would dearly love to see Saakashvili resign. Mr Walberg's statement in the last paragraph about the EU "going its own way" is, I think, closer to reality. Bear in mind that Georgia is just one part of the Israel Lobby’s strategy to divide Europe and keep in under the American jackboot, which, of course, is itself just a part of the broader strategy of puppet regimes around Israel that led to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the confrontation with Iran. Europe has already had Kosovo, the Polish missiles and, more recently, Moldova, all of which, in the simplistic American worldview, should have set Europeans, in particular, Russia and the EU, at each other’s throats. Indeed, you might also add the disastrous economic advice “sold” to the ex-communist states by the American neo-liberal gurus, which might well have been intended to create an “counter-EU” in Eastern Europe. The reason for all this, of course, is the strange historical relationship between Europe and the Jews. Israel needs Europe as a staging post for US forces and military supplies but regards Europeans as dangerous creatures who have to be kept firmly chained up!

One small point, though, where Mr Walberg contradicts himself. He starts by trying to assimilate the US and the EU but forgets that the European members of NATO which are blocking Georgia’s entry into the alliance are EU Member States! If the EU was really Saakashvili’s “parton”, what would be the point of stabbing him in the back like that? I would guess that the EU leaders would dearly love to see Saakashvili resign. Mr Walberg’s statement in the last paragraph about the EU “going its own way” is, I think, closer to reality.

]]> By: Russell Olausen http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/a-rocky-beachhead-instability-in-georgia-puts-us-geostrategic-plans-at-risk/#comment-43333 Russell Olausen Wed, 15 Apr 2009 06:24:59 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7730#comment-43333 The Russians are capable of being ruthlessly analytical of situations on their borders. The Rose Revolutionaries, possibly ruthless ,but not so possibly analytical. For America to get the results it wants, this coloured clumsiness must be arrested. After all, Brzezinski's reputation as a thinker is on the line. The Russians are capable of being ruthlessly analytical of situations on their borders. The Rose Revolutionaries, possibly ruthless ,but not so possibly analytical. For America to get the results it wants, this coloured clumsiness must be arrested. After all, Brzezinski’s reputation as a thinker is on the line.

]]> By: Sandy Bisaro http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/04/a-rocky-beachhead-instability-in-georgia-puts-us-geostrategic-plans-at-risk/#comment-43318 Sandy Bisaro Tue, 14 Apr 2009 23:52:36 +0000 http://dissidentvoice.org/?p=7730#comment-43318 You present interesting evidence of the US' interest in Georgia as a strategic player in the war on Afgahistan. I am no judge as to whether what you present with regards in Afghanistan is valid or not. But based on the rest of your article about the current situation and recent history in Georgia, I'd be very wary of believing anything you hvae to say. You deceive your readers by presenting invective and polemic as anything close to journalism. Lets start simple. How are we to interpret your reporting of 'up to 100 000 protesters on the streets of Tbilisi Thursday''? I guess as between 50 000 and 60 000 as Reuters, Agence Presse France and the New york Times have all been reporting for the last 5 days. You wrote 'Reflecting the broad sentiment, she said Saakashvili lost all credibility as president when he launched war against Russia last August...' Is this journalism?? Reflecting the braod sentiment of whom?? Protest numbers were down to less then 10000 on Sunday according to the same sources above that you neglected to quote above. This sentence is at best meanless, and at worst, dilerberately misleading. Next, Saakashvili's 'brutal crackdown on protests in November 2007' was exactly the same measures German police used in Heiligendamm at the G-8 protests at months earlier. 'As soon as anyone with a modicum of common-sense takes over they will rush to make up with Russia'. Georgia is dealing with near 500 000 refugees from conflicts started 15 years ago and maintained only by Russian support for Abkhazian and Ossetian 'separtists'. Russia ignored several international agreements about the scheduled removal of their 'peacekeepers' before the conflict last August. Since Saakashvili's been in office Georgia has soared in global corruption and business rankings. Why would 'common-sense' dictate that one should give up democratic reforms, economic growth and the fight against corruption in order to placate a large aggressive neighbour. Unless, of course, it is also common-sense to assume that Europe and the US have no interest in promoting democratic institutions globally and that the 'critical left' in those same countries will constantly be absorbed in criticizing their own governments actions so as to automatically assume anyone they co-operate with must be evil. I wonder how you can in good faith claim to be a journalist. Regards, Sandy Bisaro Berlin, Germany . . You present interesting evidence of the US’ interest in Georgia as a strategic player in the war on Afgahistan. I am no judge as to whether what you present with regards in Afghanistan is valid or not. But based on the rest of your article about the current situation and recent history in Georgia, I’d be very wary of believing anything you hvae to say. You deceive your readers by presenting invective and polemic as anything close to journalism.

Lets start simple. How are we to interpret your reporting of ‘up to 100 000 protesters on the streets of Tbilisi Thursday”? I guess as between 50 000 and 60 000 as Reuters, Agence Presse France and the New york Times have all been reporting for the last 5 days.

You wrote ‘Reflecting the broad sentiment, she said Saakashvili lost all credibility as president when he launched war against Russia last August…’ Is this journalism?? Reflecting the braod sentiment of whom?? Protest numbers were down to less then 10000 on Sunday according to the same sources above that you neglected to quote above. This sentence is at best meanless, and at worst, dilerberately misleading.

Next, Saakashvili’s ‘brutal crackdown on protests in November 2007′ was exactly the same measures German police used in Heiligendamm at the G-8 protests at months earlier.

‘As soon as anyone with a modicum of common-sense takes over they will rush to make up with Russia’. Georgia is dealing with near 500 000 refugees from conflicts started 15 years ago and maintained only by Russian support for Abkhazian and Ossetian ‘separtists’. Russia ignored several international agreements about the scheduled removal of their ‘peacekeepers’ before the conflict last August. Since Saakashvili’s been in office Georgia has soared in global corruption and business rankings. Why would ‘common-sense’ dictate that one should give up democratic reforms, economic growth and the fight against corruption in order to placate a large aggressive neighbour. Unless, of course, it is also common-sense to assume that Europe and the US have no interest in promoting democratic institutions globally and that the ‘critical left’ in those same countries will constantly be absorbed in criticizing their own governments actions so as to automatically assume anyone they co-operate with must be evil.

I wonder how you can in good faith claim to be a journalist.

Regards,
Sandy Bisaro

Berlin, Germany
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