Comments on: US Missile Defense: The End Game http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/us-missile-defense-the-end-game/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Beauty_wild http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/us-missile-defense-the-end-game/#comment-42077 Beauty_wild Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:10:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7166#comment-42077 I would like to see the inscription "to be continied":-D I would like to see the inscription “to be continied”:-D

]]> By: Peter http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/us-missile-defense-the-end-game/#comment-40664 Peter Wed, 11 Mar 2009 01:54:57 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7166#comment-40664 A majority of Czechs oppose the missile defense system and a great many Poles do also. Although the missile defense system could have as much an impact on neighboring Germany, Austria and all of Europe, the USA did not consider the rest of Europe's opinion on the system at all. Former German Chancellor Schroder is emphatically against the system as are many other Germans although most German politicians have not voiced an opinion (perhaps for political reasons). The USA claims the system is aimed at Iran to prevent an Iranian missile fitted with a nuclear bomb from hitting Europe. The problems with this claim is Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, it claims it does not want to develop a nuclear bomb and it does not have a missile that reaches Europe. Iran is a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and under that treaty everything it is doing is perfectly legal. It claims its nuclear technology is being developed for commercial purposes. The missile defense system could be used against Russia and that is why Russia said if the USA went ahead with its system, Russia would place missiles in the Russian region called Kaliningrad on the Polish border. If Russia did this, these missiles would be a threat to all of Europe. Very few people in Europe want the missile defense system, but the USA never asked any country in Europe their opinion on the system (besides the Czech Republic and Poland). This despite the fact that the current president of Poland, Lech Kaczyński stated the missiles stationed in Poland could be used against its NATO ally Germany if need be. That is correct, the President of Poland said the missiles stationed in Poland could be used against Germany. He is a nut and that opinion is shared by most Europeans and many Poles also. The Germans said nothing. That is the state of affairs in Europe today. Germany is the biggest contributor to the EU budget, which helps the struggling nations such as Poland and other eastern European countries to improve their standard of living, but the Polish President makes veiled threats against Germany. The USA does not consider other nations in Europe when making decisions. This despite the fact that the missiles in Poland, the radar system in the Czech Republic and the missiles the Russians said they would put in Kaliningrad are all former German and Austrian territories. The missiles in Poland would be located on Poland's Baltic Sea coast (former German territory taken from Germany after WW I) and the radar system to be located in the Czech Republic was former Austrian territory taken from Austria after WW I to create the new country of Czechoslovakia. WW II was a direct result of the seizure of these territories with big German populations living on those areas. Kaliningrad was known as East Prussia for almost 800 years and its population was 100% German until the Soviet Union brutally drove out the German population in 1945-1947. The population is 100% Russian today. So the two locations of the American missile defense system (todays Poland and Czech Republic) and the Russian retaliatory missiles (Kaliningrad, Russia) were all former German and Austrian territories, but these countries have no say in whether these system's should be developed or not. This despite the additional fact that the Polish President threatened the use of the missiles against Germany. This is the state of affairs in the world and Europe today. Incidentally, I visited Kaliningrad, Russia for the first time in July 2008 to see the city and home where many of my relatives once lived. A majority of Czechs oppose the missile defense system and a great many Poles do also. Although the missile defense system could have as much an impact on neighboring Germany, Austria and all of Europe, the USA did not consider the rest of Europe’s opinion on the system at all. Former German Chancellor Schroder is emphatically against the system as are many other Germans although most German politicians have not voiced an opinion (perhaps for political reasons).

The USA claims the system is aimed at Iran to prevent an Iranian missile fitted with a nuclear bomb from hitting Europe. The problems with this claim is Iran does not have a nuclear bomb, it claims it does not want to develop a nuclear bomb and it does not have a missile that reaches Europe. Iran is a member of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and under that treaty everything it is doing is perfectly legal. It claims its nuclear technology is being developed for commercial purposes.

The missile defense system could be used against Russia and that is why Russia said if the USA went ahead with its system, Russia would place missiles in the Russian region called Kaliningrad on the Polish border. If Russia did this, these missiles would be a threat to all of Europe.

Very few people in Europe want the missile defense system, but the USA never asked any country in Europe their opinion on the system (besides the Czech Republic and Poland). This despite the fact that the current president of Poland, Lech Kaczyński stated the missiles stationed in Poland could be used against its NATO ally Germany if need be. That is correct, the President of Poland said the missiles stationed in Poland could be used against Germany. He is a nut and that opinion is shared by most Europeans and many Poles also.

The Germans said nothing. That is the state of affairs in Europe today. Germany is the biggest contributor to the EU budget, which helps the struggling nations such as Poland and other eastern European countries to improve their standard of living, but the Polish President makes veiled threats against Germany.

The USA does not consider other nations in Europe when making decisions. This despite the fact that the missiles in Poland, the radar system in the Czech Republic and the missiles the Russians said they would put in Kaliningrad are all former German and Austrian territories. The missiles in Poland would be located on Poland’s Baltic Sea coast (former German territory taken from Germany after WW I) and the radar system to be located in the Czech Republic was former Austrian territory taken from Austria after WW I to create the new country of Czechoslovakia. WW II was a direct result of the seizure of these territories with big German populations living on those areas.

Kaliningrad was known as East Prussia for almost 800 years and its population was 100% German until the Soviet Union brutally drove out the German population in 1945-1947. The population is 100% Russian today.

So the two locations of the American missile defense system (todays Poland and Czech Republic) and the Russian retaliatory missiles (Kaliningrad, Russia) were all former German and Austrian territories, but these countries have no say in whether these system’s should be developed or not. This despite the additional fact that the Polish President threatened the use of the missiles against Germany.

This is the state of affairs in the world and Europe today. Incidentally, I visited Kaliningrad, Russia for the first time in July 2008 to see the city and home where many of my relatives once lived.

]]> By: Shabnam http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/us-missile-defense-the-end-game/#comment-40647 Shabnam Tue, 10 Mar 2009 21:04:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7166#comment-40647 This paper has written to serve both the interest of Israel and Russia against Iranian and the US interest, to promote Israelis’ position where has been forced upon their servant, Obama, by the zionist lobby in Washington. The zionists knew Brzezinski's policy, as an advisor to Obama before the election, advocated containment of Russia working with Iran and other states in the region to pursue the interest of the United States. The missiles are not going to be directed toward Iran, because Iran is not a threat, rather Russia. Russia and Israel work very closely and sometime secretly together against the US interest. This paper is advocating the interest of Israel and Russia. Both Israel and Russia want a weak Iran which is AGAINST THE INTEREST OF THE UNTIED STATES. Russia like the US and Israel is an expansionist force. This point can be proven by reviewing the history of Russia for the past few centuries. On the other hand, Iran has not attack any country for the last 200 years. Iran has suffered greatly at the hand of Russian, extremely brutal and arrogant. Russia has gone after her own interest since the demise of the Soviet Union and wants to avoid any clash with the United States and hasrepeatedly expressed that is willing TO WORK ON AN EQUAL FOOTING WITH THE UNITED STATES TO RULE THE WORLD. Russia has greatly benefitted from the zionist policy in Washington and has cooperated with Israel especially on Iranian Policy, and as a result Busher reactor where should have been finished more than 10 years ago still is not finished and Russia use this as a bargaining chip to gain more concession from the US using the power of zionist lobby in Washington and delivering cookies to Israel and sabotaging Iranian enrichment program which is legal under NPT. Obama like Clinton wants to fool the ‘international community’ that he is interested in ‘diplomacy’ but Iran does not respond accordingly. This policy has been written in Israel and given to their fifth columnists to implement according to Israel’s interest. Israel is pushing for tougher sanction against Iranian children and workers like in Iraq. Israelis have told Obama that Israel has no patience for open ended negotiation; therefore, Israel has encircled Obama with all her trusted Zionist agents including Holbrook, Clinton and Dennis Ross. Dennis Ross who knows SHIT about Iranian history and politics has been selected by the lobby to advice Obama on Iran, to carry out ‘negotiation’ with Iran, of course, Palestinian style. He knows his game very well. He will use the word ‘diplomacy’ anytime he moves, but using tricks demands certain policies from Iran that no Iranian leader can accept. The servant of zionism, Hillary, has already trumpeted, the Israeli‘s line: “Hillary expressed doubt that Iran would respond to the Obama administration's diplomatic initiatives toward Tehran on nuclear and other issues.” Obama has shown he can be brought under submission faster than other presidents and after 6 weeks in office he responded to suggestion of a former Mossad agent possitively. Shabtai Shavit, former chief of the Mossad intelligence agency warned Obama: "I don't believe there is a political solution which can be achieved through negotiations with Iran,” and thus, he suggests changing the world’s geostrategic situation first in MOSCOW and only afterwards proceeding with Tehran.” And soon enough Obama did EXACTLY what he had been told to announce his policy to isolate Iran further on Israelis’ demand: “President Barack Obama is telling Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev that U.S. plans for a missile defense system in Eastern Europe might be unnecessary if Moscow helped block Iran's progress toward building long-range missiles, senior administration officials said Tuesday.” People who are following the situation know that a weak Iran is not in the interest of anyone EXCEPT Israel and Russia. Furthermore, people know that Israel has secret relations with Russia for her interest in case US does not place Israel’s interest ahead of US interest, helping her expansionist and extermination policy toward Palestinian and Arabs. We do not need another hegemonic power to be added to the present one to rule the world. This is a policy that Israel is advocating and the puppets in Washington are implementing. American people must wake up and smell the danger and destroy Zionism before it destroys us all. The recommendation of this paper strengthen the zionist lobby and beneficial to Israel. Furthermore, Iran is not a terrorist state, US and Israel are. This paper has written to serve both the interest of Israel and Russia against Iranian and the US interest, to promote Israelis’ position where has been forced upon their servant, Obama, by the zionist lobby in Washington. The zionists knew Brzezinski’s policy, as an advisor to Obama before the election, advocated containment of Russia working with Iran and other states in the region to pursue the interest of the United States. The missiles are not going to be directed toward Iran, because Iran is not a threat, rather Russia. Russia and Israel work very closely and sometime secretly together against the US interest. This paper is advocating the interest of Israel and Russia. Both Israel and Russia want a weak Iran which is AGAINST THE INTEREST OF THE UNTIED STATES. Russia like the US and Israel is an expansionist force. This point can be proven by reviewing the history of Russia for the past few centuries. On the other hand, Iran has not attack any country for the last 200 years. Iran has suffered greatly at the hand of Russian, extremely brutal and arrogant. Russia has gone after her own interest since the demise of the Soviet Union and wants to avoid any clash with the United States and hasrepeatedly expressed that is willing TO WORK ON AN EQUAL FOOTING WITH THE UNITED STATES TO RULE THE WORLD. Russia has greatly benefitted from the zionist policy in Washington and has cooperated with Israel especially on Iranian Policy, and as a result Busher reactor where should have been finished more than 10 years ago still is not finished and Russia use this as a bargaining chip to gain more concession from the US using the power of zionist lobby in Washington and delivering cookies to Israel and sabotaging Iranian enrichment program which is legal under NPT.

Obama like Clinton wants to fool the ‘international community’ that he is interested in ‘diplomacy’ but Iran does not respond accordingly. This policy has been written in Israel and given to their fifth columnists to implement according to Israel’s interest. Israel is pushing for tougher sanction against Iranian children and workers like in Iraq.
Israelis have told Obama that Israel has no patience for open ended negotiation; therefore, Israel has encircled Obama with all her trusted Zionist agents including Holbrook, Clinton and Dennis Ross. Dennis Ross who knows SHIT about Iranian history and politics has been selected by the lobby to advice Obama on Iran, to carry out ‘negotiation’ with Iran, of course, Palestinian style. He knows his game very well. He will use the word ‘diplomacy’ anytime he moves, but using tricks demands certain policies from Iran that no Iranian leader can accept.
The servant of zionism, Hillary, has already trumpeted, the Israeli‘s line:
“Hillary expressed doubt that Iran would respond to the Obama administration’s diplomatic initiatives toward Tehran on nuclear and other issues.”

Obama has shown he can be brought under submission faster than other presidents and after 6 weeks in office he responded to suggestion of a former Mossad agent possitively.
Shabtai Shavit, former chief of the Mossad intelligence agency warned Obama:
“I don’t believe there is a political solution which can be achieved through negotiations with Iran,” and thus, he suggests changing the world’s geostrategic situation first in MOSCOW and only afterwards proceeding with Tehran.”
And soon enough Obama did EXACTLY what he had been told to announce his policy to isolate Iran further on Israelis’ demand:
“President Barack Obama is telling Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev that U.S. plans for a missile defense system in Eastern Europe might be unnecessary if Moscow helped block Iran’s progress toward building long-range missiles, senior administration officials said Tuesday.”

People who are following the situation know that a weak Iran is not in the interest of anyone EXCEPT Israel and Russia. Furthermore, people know that Israel has secret relations with Russia for her interest in case US does not place Israel’s interest ahead of US interest, helping her expansionist and extermination policy toward Palestinian and Arabs.
We do not need another hegemonic power to be added to the present one to rule the world. This is a policy that Israel is advocating and the puppets in Washington are implementing. American people must wake up and smell the danger and destroy Zionism before it destroys us all. The recommendation of this paper strengthen the zionist lobby and beneficial to Israel. Furthermore, Iran is not a terrorist state, US and Israel are.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/us-missile-defense-the-end-game/#comment-40642 bozh Tue, 10 Mar 2009 20:26:35 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7166#comment-40642 it does seem to me that russia does not want to expand by warfare. however, siberia looks mighty good [cuz warming] to accomodate settlers from americas. once- and if- US annexes [or s'mhow controls] russia, the plan is to expell all blacks and latinos from n. america and settle them in the empty land. we know that whites wld like get to rid of the two 'inferior' races. and since US/Europe/Israel don't want pal'ns, they might wind up in birobidjan. russia can complain all it wants and take military counter measures, if uncle sam wants missiles pointed at russia or which wld swivel around pointing even at US from time to time, then, ucle does it. that's all folks! tx it does seem to me that russia does not want to expand by warfare.
however, siberia looks mighty good [cuz warming] to accomodate settlers from americas.

once- and if- US annexes [or s'mhow controls] russia, the plan is to expell all blacks and latinos from n. america and settle them in the empty land.

we know that whites wld like get to rid of the two ‘inferior’ races. and since US/Europe/Israel don’t want pal’ns, they might wind up in birobidjan.

russia can complain all it wants and take military counter measures, if uncle sam wants missiles pointed at russia or which wld swivel around pointing even at US from time to time, then, ucle does it.
that’s all folks! tx

]]> By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/us-missile-defense-the-end-game/#comment-40633 Michael Kenny Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:01:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7166#comment-40633 I don't think that the missiles are any more directed against Russia than against Iran. They are directed against Western Europe. The latter is a vital lynchpin in the defence of Israel (which is the only aim US foreign policy pursues!). For obvious geographical reasons, providing military backup for Israel is much more difficult if Western Europe cannot be used as a staging post. It must therefore be kept subjugated and NATO must be propped up. Since Europe had no choice but to kowtow during the cold war, why not just re-create the cold war? Like so many of the neocons' "smartass" plans, this one also blew up in their faces. It scared the daylights out of war-sick Europe, drew it closer to Russia and made it see that NATO was being hijacked. The scheme is actually counter-productive. That, more than cost or unworkable technology, is what is making Obama pull back. Be careful of saying that "Czechs" or "Poles" feared Russia. Polls (sic!) show a large majority in both countries has always been opposed to this scheme. Some of the old guard politicians may have feared Russia, but not the population. A good part of that is that Russians have been circulating in the rest of Europe for the last 15 years and we all know that the Russian people have no intention of going to war with anyone. One assumes that Medvedev knows that as well. The Russians didn't show "military savvy" in Georgia. They merely showed that the Georgian military are even more incompetent than they are. The savvy, and the victory, was political. Nobody now believes that the US will defend a European country against anyone. I therefore wouldn't count on NATO lasting that long! I don’t think that the missiles are any more directed against Russia than against Iran. They are directed against Western Europe. The latter is a vital lynchpin in the defence of Israel (which is the only aim US foreign policy pursues!). For obvious geographical reasons, providing military backup for Israel is much more difficult if Western Europe cannot be used as a staging post. It must therefore be kept subjugated and NATO must be propped up. Since Europe had no choice but to kowtow during the cold war, why not just re-create the cold war? Like so many of the neocons’ “smartass” plans, this one also blew up in their faces. It scared the daylights out of war-sick Europe, drew it closer to Russia and made it see that NATO was being hijacked. The scheme is actually counter-productive. That, more than cost or unworkable technology, is what is making Obama pull back.

Be careful of saying that “Czechs” or “Poles” feared Russia. Polls (sic!) show a large majority in both countries has always been opposed to this scheme. Some of the old guard politicians may have feared Russia, but not the population. A good part of that is that Russians have been circulating in the rest of Europe for the last 15 years and we all know that the Russian people have no intention of going to war with anyone. One assumes that Medvedev knows that as well. The Russians didn’t show “military savvy” in Georgia. They merely showed that the Georgian military are even more incompetent than they are. The savvy, and the victory, was political. Nobody now believes that the US will defend a European country against anyone.

I therefore wouldn’t count on NATO lasting that long!

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