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	<title>Comments on: The Stark Facts About Violence Against Women</title>
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		<title>By: sastry.m</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-stark-facts-about-violence-against-women/#comment-44797</link>
		<dc:creator>sastry.m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woman does with the body what man does with the mind. That woman bears the process of procreation with her body is a natural fact but what man desires to achieve in his offspring is an open question. Desires spring up in man&#039;s mind and get seeded in time as sperm which impregnates  ovum in  woman&#039;s womb and fertilizes into physical embryo and delivered as off spring. So what man wishes fancifully women reproduces   faithfully. In the absence of a well balanced perspective of righteous desires by XY chromosomed male  the squred curves of  XX chromosomed woman greatly distorts the rationale of the XY  and results in all sorts of abuse and violence. If man is trained to bear the responsibility of his desires with righteous actions and compassion  woman will follow suit with patience and forbearance starting from pain caused by desire studded phallus followed through  pregnancy delivered offspring raising  into well brought up  children of respectful adulthood in keeping with nature&#039;s harmony.  If reasonable answers and rational practices can be found to the open question of man&#039;s desires the cause of all intrigues  can be removed  successfully and the result of harmonious living can be assured permanently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woman does with the body what man does with the mind. That woman bears the process of procreation with her body is a natural fact but what man desires to achieve in his offspring is an open question. Desires spring up in man&#8217;s mind and get seeded in time as sperm which impregnates  ovum in  woman&#8217;s womb and fertilizes into physical embryo and delivered as off spring. So what man wishes fancifully women reproduces   faithfully. In the absence of a well balanced perspective of righteous desires by XY chromosomed male  the squred curves of  XX chromosomed woman greatly distorts the rationale of the XY  and results in all sorts of abuse and violence. If man is trained to bear the responsibility of his desires with righteous actions and compassion  woman will follow suit with patience and forbearance starting from pain caused by desire studded phallus followed through  pregnancy delivered offspring raising  into well brought up  children of respectful adulthood in keeping with nature&#8217;s harmony.  If reasonable answers and rational practices can be found to the open question of man&#8217;s desires the cause of all intrigues  can be removed  successfully and the result of harmonious living can be assured permanently.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-stark-facts-about-violence-against-women/#comment-41531</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 04:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.&quot;
J. Krishnamurti</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.&#8221;<br />
J. Krishnamurti</p>
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		<title>By: Barry99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-stark-facts-about-violence-against-women/#comment-41467</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lichen - If we are talking about physical abuse against spouses - it is overwhelmingly the female who is the victim - between 85% and 90%.  I agree with much of what has been written here including the wider sociopolitical connection.  

If we are talking about emotional abuse that&#039;s one thing - but physical abuse in relationships is male on female.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lichen &#8211; If we are talking about physical abuse against spouses &#8211; it is overwhelmingly the female who is the victim &#8211; between 85% and 90%.  I agree with much of what has been written here including the wider sociopolitical connection.  </p>
<p>If we are talking about emotional abuse that&#8217;s one thing &#8211; but physical abuse in relationships is male on female.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-stark-facts-about-violence-against-women/#comment-41464</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 00:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry99 has some good points, and to continue this line of logic:

In a society which requires males to be violent, females ALSO require males to be violent. There&#039;s a tragic relationship here between violence and love and between nonviolence and impotency. &quot;To beat me means he cares&quot; is an underlying belief of many women.

Most women enjoy when their men are violent outside of work (in terms of increasing the wealth drawn into the family). For many women then, the price they pay for an effectively violent man outside of work is some violence inside the home. This might be summed up by the phrase &quot;the beatings come with the territory (of caring for my children)&quot;.

More males than we suspect are very resentful over *having to* commit violence (violence usually is social or psychological instead of physical). This resentment fuels their beating of women, who they blame for their own degradation into violence (by logic of having to use violence to feed the family).

There is also a lot more violence committed by women than is typically presumed - again, social and psychological violence predominantly.

The reason Americans (even on the far political left) focus on physical violence is because the other forms of violence, which are far more prevalent and far more harmful, are utterly required to maintain an imperial state, while physical violence can be done away with. This is one aspect of the complicity of the left in imperial America.

Examine the typical woman who &quot;gains the strength&quot; to leave an abusive marriage. She&#039;s unexpectedly *old*. The reason for the advanced age is not the wisdom or self-knowledge that comes with age, but the lack of children who need constant care. Once a woman no longer needs to sacrifice her own well being for the well being of her children she &quot;gains the strength&quot; to leave the abusive marriage.

The problem with America and much of the world is that violence *works*. This is a country founded and perpetuated through violence - without violence imperial America dies a very quick death. This is no secret to the men whose fists, or words, or insidious actions pound their women and the women who suffer it for the sake of their children and themselves.

Hierarchical capitalism is built on violence and cannot survive without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry99 has some good points, and to continue this line of logic:</p>
<p>In a society which requires males to be violent, females ALSO require males to be violent. There&#8217;s a tragic relationship here between violence and love and between nonviolence and impotency. &#8220;To beat me means he cares&#8221; is an underlying belief of many women.</p>
<p>Most women enjoy when their men are violent outside of work (in terms of increasing the wealth drawn into the family). For many women then, the price they pay for an effectively violent man outside of work is some violence inside the home. This might be summed up by the phrase &#8220;the beatings come with the territory (of caring for my children)&#8221;.</p>
<p>More males than we suspect are very resentful over *having to* commit violence (violence usually is social or psychological instead of physical). This resentment fuels their beating of women, who they blame for their own degradation into violence (by logic of having to use violence to feed the family).</p>
<p>There is also a lot more violence committed by women than is typically presumed &#8211; again, social and psychological violence predominantly.</p>
<p>The reason Americans (even on the far political left) focus on physical violence is because the other forms of violence, which are far more prevalent and far more harmful, are utterly required to maintain an imperial state, while physical violence can be done away with. This is one aspect of the complicity of the left in imperial America.</p>
<p>Examine the typical woman who &#8220;gains the strength&#8221; to leave an abusive marriage. She&#8217;s unexpectedly *old*. The reason for the advanced age is not the wisdom or self-knowledge that comes with age, but the lack of children who need constant care. Once a woman no longer needs to sacrifice her own well being for the well being of her children she &#8220;gains the strength&#8221; to leave the abusive marriage.</p>
<p>The problem with America and much of the world is that violence *works*. This is a country founded and perpetuated through violence &#8211; without violence imperial America dies a very quick death. This is no secret to the men whose fists, or words, or insidious actions pound their women and the women who suffer it for the sake of their children and themselves.</p>
<p>Hierarchical capitalism is built on violence and cannot survive without it.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-stark-facts-about-violence-against-women/#comment-41440</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 15:08:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lichen, you&#039;re right
all societies i know of have been misteaching/mistreating ?all of us for at least 10T  yrs.

so much and so often, that i postulate, meaness/brutality may have gone genetic by now.

i also postulate which phenomena are most or even solely responsible for the  change of our kind/gentle gene[s] into a brutal one [s].
shamanism/cults/clergy, our  &#039;rulers&#039;/&#039;teachers&#039;, soldiery, greed, lust for power, competition, fears, supremacism, come to my brain as some of the causes for our meaness.
tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lichen, you&#8217;re right<br />
all societies i know of have been misteaching/mistreating ?all of us for at least 10T  yrs.</p>
<p>so much and so often, that i postulate, meaness/brutality may have gone genetic by now.</p>
<p>i also postulate which phenomena are most or even solely responsible for the  change of our kind/gentle gene[s] into a brutal one [s].<br />
shamanism/cults/clergy, our  &#8216;rulers&#8217;/'teachers&#8217;, soldiery, greed, lust for power, competition, fears, supremacism, come to my brain as some of the causes for our meaness.<br />
tnx</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-stark-facts-about-violence-against-women/#comment-41431</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 02:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, that percentage is blatantly false; it has no basis in reality, where the primary victims of violence are children, primarily male children from adults of both sexes.  The abuse of males is found in the fact that they are constantly beaten while growing up, more than any females are, in the fact that they are, factually, the highest rates of homocide and suicide victims, the primary/&#039;acceptable&#039; victims of war, and in the fact that, in the west, there is a saturation of services and &#039;awareness&#039; about women as the eternal victim, whereas there sufferings (their very-high but undereported rates of being the victims of sexual abuse, of having eating disorders, of the fact that male genital mutilation is still legal the world over) are given no attention.  So no, most violence is from individual humans to individual humans; it is a human problem, and one that 1970&#039;s-style feminism has never done a thing to address.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that percentage is blatantly false; it has no basis in reality, where the primary victims of violence are children, primarily male children from adults of both sexes.  The abuse of males is found in the fact that they are constantly beaten while growing up, more than any females are, in the fact that they are, factually, the highest rates of homocide and suicide victims, the primary/&#8217;acceptable&#8217; victims of war, and in the fact that, in the west, there is a saturation of services and &#8216;awareness&#8217; about women as the eternal victim, whereas there sufferings (their very-high but undereported rates of being the victims of sexual abuse, of having eating disorders, of the fact that male genital mutilation is still legal the world over) are given no attention.  So no, most violence is from individual humans to individual humans; it is a human problem, and one that 1970&#8242;s-style feminism has never done a thing to address.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-stark-facts-about-violence-against-women/#comment-41430</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 01:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 85% to 90% of the violence is BY men directed AT women.  The reverse is not only much more rare (10 to 15%, clearly) and generally much less severe.  There&#039;s no need for men&#039;s shelters to protect them from women, women don&#039;t hunt men down except in the movies.

The abuse of males is found in a society that requires them to join militaries to make a living or to gain a sense of masculinity, to rule the home as if it were a personal fiefdom, to obtain satisfaction with killing animal for sport, or to feel inadequate if they have not made a killing on Wall Street or humiliated an employee.

In a good deal of the world, females are last in line for education, for food at mealtime, and despised if the bride price is not sufficient or not at all.  Women have their sex organs sewn shut - to the point that sex is painful, urination is painful, and conception difficult. Women live shorter lives in some countries than men, and are doomed to lives a back-breaking labor because they are regarded as less than human.  Infanticide is the province of the female infant.  

John Lennon said &#039;woman is nigger of the world.&#039;  He may have not been the wisest man on Earth, but he was right about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 85% to 90% of the violence is BY men directed AT women.  The reverse is not only much more rare (10 to 15%, clearly) and generally much less severe.  There&#8217;s no need for men&#8217;s shelters to protect them from women, women don&#8217;t hunt men down except in the movies.</p>
<p>The abuse of males is found in a society that requires them to join militaries to make a living or to gain a sense of masculinity, to rule the home as if it were a personal fiefdom, to obtain satisfaction with killing animal for sport, or to feel inadequate if they have not made a killing on Wall Street or humiliated an employee.</p>
<p>In a good deal of the world, females are last in line for education, for food at mealtime, and despised if the bride price is not sufficient or not at all.  Women have their sex organs sewn shut &#8211; to the point that sex is painful, urination is painful, and conception difficult. Women live shorter lives in some countries than men, and are doomed to lives a back-breaking labor because they are regarded as less than human.  Infanticide is the province of the female infant.  </p>
<p>John Lennon said &#8216;woman is nigger of the world.&#8217;  He may have not been the wisest man on Earth, but he was right about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 21:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lichen has said what I didn&#039;t want to, regarding violence against men. Violence against women is surely a terrible thing, but it is unfair to focus on it with no mention of the other side of the coin. That said, the gender of the perpetrator of said violence is perhaps not as relevant on that side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lichen has said what I didn&#8217;t want to, regarding violence against men. Violence against women is surely a terrible thing, but it is unfair to focus on it with no mention of the other side of the coin. That said, the gender of the perpetrator of said violence is perhaps not as relevant on that side.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
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		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 18:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The epidemic of violence against men is much worse, with far starker figures.  Furthermore, yes, violence comes from violence; from violence/corporal punishment/abuse enacted on children by parents/guardians of both sexes.  The fact that society views young boys as less deserving of protection, as in fact in need of violence makes them great victims of abuse by their mothers and fathers, as well as society at large.  The fact that society views men and especailly young men as worthless and not in need of protection or facilities (absolutely zero battered mens shelters exist despite the fact that domestic abuse towards men is quite common) makes the problem of violence unsolvable, as it will remain to be until it is recognized as a human problem, not one for outdated ideologies to run a seive through and come up with nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The epidemic of violence against men is much worse, with far starker figures.  Furthermore, yes, violence comes from violence; from violence/corporal punishment/abuse enacted on children by parents/guardians of both sexes.  The fact that society views young boys as less deserving of protection, as in fact in need of violence makes them great victims of abuse by their mothers and fathers, as well as society at large.  The fact that society views men and especailly young men as worthless and not in need of protection or facilities (absolutely zero battered mens shelters exist despite the fact that domestic abuse towards men is quite common) makes the problem of violence unsolvable, as it will remain to be until it is recognized as a human problem, not one for outdated ideologies to run a seive through and come up with nothing.</p>
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