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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-41083</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barry99, Ever hear of the Vedas? The Gita?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry99, Ever hear of the Vedas? The Gita?</p>
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		<title>By: Barry99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-41050</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The term &#039;deist&#039; covered a lot of ground back then.  One could believe there was a god and not be overly concerned with the Christianity of it all, one could believe in Jesus the philosopher (the Jesus of the four gospels) and not Jesus  the Christ who was the son of god and performed miracles, or one could believe that there was a Christian god who set the universe in motion but then kicked back and let human will and foibles take over.  

Rackcliffe -  You say: &quot;Throwing out Christian morality issues such as Pro-life, Abstence before marriage between a man and woman, putting the needs of others before oneself, etc would be ideal starting points for achieving social justice.&quot;   
Are you throwing out &#039;putting the needs of others before oneself&quot;?  I don&#039;t get it - and it does not mesh with those other morality issues you mention. 

Neither the Soviet Union nor Nazi Germany were socialist.  In fact, the Third Reich was quite clearly a right-wing capitalist state.  And just for the record, God did not leave us a handbook.  (Unless you mean the Koran which was dictated to a man).  The Bible was written by men (&quot;The Gospel ACCORDING  to Matthew, etc.), not God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term &#8216;deist&#8217; covered a lot of ground back then.  One could believe there was a god and not be overly concerned with the Christianity of it all, one could believe in Jesus the philosopher (the Jesus of the four gospels) and not Jesus  the Christ who was the son of god and performed miracles, or one could believe that there was a Christian god who set the universe in motion but then kicked back and let human will and foibles take over.  </p>
<p>Rackcliffe &#8211;  You say: &#8220;Throwing out Christian morality issues such as Pro-life, Abstence before marriage between a man and woman, putting the needs of others before oneself, etc would be ideal starting points for achieving social justice.&#8221;<br />
Are you throwing out &#8216;putting the needs of others before oneself&#8221;?  I don&#8217;t get it &#8211; and it does not mesh with those other morality issues you mention. </p>
<p>Neither the Soviet Union nor Nazi Germany were socialist.  In fact, the Third Reich was quite clearly a right-wing capitalist state.  And just for the record, God did not leave us a handbook.  (Unless you mean the Koran which was dictated to a man).  The Bible was written by men (&#8220;The Gospel ACCORDING  to Matthew, etc.), not God.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-41038</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:47:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Since many seem so smug and flippant as to rail against or otherwise deny religion, I DARE YOU to deny this.. (americans are excluded, *for the time being) 

As for me, I&#039;m wholeheartedly, unfailingly adopting the newest, most powerful  religion. The one none dare speak out against or deny. And that means YOU!

The religion of Holocaustianity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since many seem so smug and flippant as to rail against or otherwise deny religion, I DARE YOU to deny this.. (americans are excluded, *for the time being) </p>
<p>As for me, I&#8217;m wholeheartedly, unfailingly adopting the newest, most powerful  religion. The one none dare speak out against or deny. And that means YOU!</p>
<p>The religion of Holocaustianity.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40994</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:21:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I  apologize to you folks for my tangential thinking.  &quot;Good loyal Americans proud of their heritage&quot; coupled with a reference to the founding fathers&#039;  deistic convictions set me astride my &quot;anti-evolution&quot; hobbyhorse.  Latent schizophrenia?  Perhaps.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  apologize to you folks for my tangential thinking.  &#8220;Good loyal Americans proud of their heritage&#8221; coupled with a reference to the founding fathers&#8217;  deistic convictions set me astride my &#8220;anti-evolution&#8221; hobbyhorse.  Latent schizophrenia?  Perhaps.</p>
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		<title>By: russell olausen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40965</link>
		<dc:creator>russell olausen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 03:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being in the presence of a Christian pedagogue always leaves me bemused.I am glad for the inbuilt radar that allows me to avoid them.Had no idea of the numbers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being in the presence of a Christian pedagogue always leaves me bemused.I am glad for the inbuilt radar that allows me to avoid them.Had no idea of the numbers.</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40944</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 01:11:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Apparently the wealthy founders were troubled enough by religion, and the tyranny it can impose, to mention it twice in the Constitution, once in the First Amendment (added following ratification along with the rest of the Bill of Rights if I recall, per agreements with the states as condition for their ratification), and the clause, in the document as ratified prior to adding the Bill of Rights, prohibiting any religious test being applied as a condition of holding public office in the new country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently the wealthy founders were troubled enough by religion, and the tyranny it can impose, to mention it twice in the Constitution, once in the First Amendment (added following ratification along with the rest of the Bill of Rights if I recall, per agreements with the states as condition for their ratification), and the clause, in the document as ratified prior to adding the Bill of Rights, prohibiting any religious test being applied as a condition of holding public office in the new country.</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40942</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:59:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Believing (fervently at times) in the nonexistence of deities, as atheists do, and an absence of belief regarding such existence are two very different things.  The first is a religion.  The second is not.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believing (fervently at times) in the nonexistence of deities, as atheists do, and an absence of belief regarding such existence are two very different things.  The first is a religion.  The second is not.</p>
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		<title>By: mikel weisser</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40928</link>
		<dc:creator>mikel weisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oops. A closer review of the article shows me that DV did not publish the linked byline for this article that mentioned i am a pantheist. (My articles go out to several sites each week and i have little or no control over when or how they are published)

Here is the link for more info on the subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops. A closer review of the article shows me that DV did not publish the linked byline for this article that mentioned i am a pantheist. (My articles go out to several sites each week and i have little or no control over when or how they are published)</p>
<p>Here is the link for more info on the subject:<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism</a></p>
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		<title>By: mikel weisser</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40927</link>
		<dc:creator>mikel weisser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Whoa. It has been nearly a year since i wrote something that generated this much commentary. Martha, while i do see many Republican &quot;Values&quot; as evil i am actually writing about the evils done by Christianity in general. To me, the &quot;good loyal&quot; part was about running away from zealots. Since the religious right in this country has so much in kin with the Taliban in other countries i would think that Christians who wish to promote their religions rightly would choose to condemn the perversions of the religion so commonly weilded by the GOP is the supposed name of god.  Please further note, as linked in my little byline that i am a spiritual believer and not an atheist, which i do not see as a belief system, more as an avoidance of belief in general.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa. It has been nearly a year since i wrote something that generated this much commentary. Martha, while i do see many Republican &#8220;Values&#8221; as evil i am actually writing about the evils done by Christianity in general. To me, the &#8220;good loyal&#8221; part was about running away from zealots. Since the religious right in this country has so much in kin with the Taliban in other countries i would think that Christians who wish to promote their religions rightly would choose to condemn the perversions of the religion so commonly weilded by the GOP is the supposed name of god.  Please further note, as linked in my little byline that i am a spiritual believer and not an atheist, which i do not see as a belief system, more as an avoidance of belief in general.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Zip</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40924</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor Zip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 22:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[George Washington was a Vestryman for the Truro Parish in Fairfax, Virginia, as was another Founding Father, George Mason.  That would have been in the Church of Virginia, which after American independence and disestablishment would become the Episcopal Church.  In the 1700s, there was no doubt that these were Christian men.  Yes, Franklin and Jefferson weren&#039;t particularly Christian, but to speak of the Founding Fathers as Deist one must ignore the faith most of the Fathers actually expressed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George Washington was a Vestryman for the Truro Parish in Fairfax, Virginia, as was another Founding Father, George Mason.  That would have been in the Church of Virginia, which after American independence and disestablishment would become the Episcopal Church.  In the 1700s, there was no doubt that these were Christian men.  Yes, Franklin and Jefferson weren&#8217;t particularly Christian, but to speak of the Founding Fathers as Deist one must ignore the faith most of the Fathers actually expressed.</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40895</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 19:21:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Atheism is absolutely a religion:  it is a BELIEF in the nonexistence of supernatural beings, and its adherents can be as dogmatic as members of any other religion.

Scott, maybe you should read further.  Evolutionary theory has plenty of evidence to support it -- else it would not be a scientific theory.  The Discovery Institute also disputes the theory, but offers no real evidence whatever to refute it.  If real evidence is found to show that the theory is wrong, then it will be modified, or discarded.  That hasn&#039;t happened yet, as all the evidence is confirming of it rather than contradictory to it.  Newton&#039;s findings concerning gravity have been somewhat modified as a result of Einstein&#039;s theories, though Newtonian physics are still very applicable in daily life, or in sending objects into orbit, or to other planets.  Addressing and criticizing Darwin&#039;s publication is sort of like criticizing Galileo because his telescopes were so crude.  He wrote 150 years ago.  Evolutionary biology has moved on.  The only &quot;Darwinism&quot; we have today is the Social Darwinism, itself a bastardization of evolutionary theory through its incorrect interpretation of survival of the fittest (a bad choice of words), promoted by the right.  But, the superstitious will retain their superstitions until the species passes from existence, I guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheism is absolutely a religion:  it is a BELIEF in the nonexistence of supernatural beings, and its adherents can be as dogmatic as members of any other religion.</p>
<p>Scott, maybe you should read further.  Evolutionary theory has plenty of evidence to support it &#8212; else it would not be a scientific theory.  The Discovery Institute also disputes the theory, but offers no real evidence whatever to refute it.  If real evidence is found to show that the theory is wrong, then it will be modified, or discarded.  That hasn&#8217;t happened yet, as all the evidence is confirming of it rather than contradictory to it.  Newton&#8217;s findings concerning gravity have been somewhat modified as a result of Einstein&#8217;s theories, though Newtonian physics are still very applicable in daily life, or in sending objects into orbit, or to other planets.  Addressing and criticizing Darwin&#8217;s publication is sort of like criticizing Galileo because his telescopes were so crude.  He wrote 150 years ago.  Evolutionary biology has moved on.  The only &#8220;Darwinism&#8221; we have today is the Social Darwinism, itself a bastardization of evolutionary theory through its incorrect interpretation of survival of the fittest (a bad choice of words), promoted by the right.  But, the superstitious will retain their superstitions until the species passes from existence, I guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40842</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In my formative years I received, uncritically,  in the context of the primary and secondary public school, the standard diet of evolutionary theory.  This indoctrination was reinforced by the popular press:  National Geographic, The Smithsonian, NPR, to name a few sources.  Subsequent to my college education, which, though heavy in the sciences, was never once critical of the theory, a friend gave me Michael Denton&#039;s book,  &quot;Evolution: A Theory in Crisis.&quot;  Currently,  I am making my way through W.R. Bird&#039;s, &quot;The Origin of Species Revisited.&quot;  These two works  address the serious flaws in Darwinian and neo-Darwinian foundations.  Modern science rather than bringing additional support to the evolutionist, is actually making him appear quite like his principal antagonist, the fundamentalist Christian.  His head, likewise, appears quite stuck in the sand.  To summarize the gist of my readings:  Microevolution, absolutely.  Macroevolution(trans-speciation), never.  Poppycock, my friends.  Consider the ant, or perhaps some symbiotic relationship, or perhaps tern migration and forget your agenda.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my formative years I received, uncritically,  in the context of the primary and secondary public school, the standard diet of evolutionary theory.  This indoctrination was reinforced by the popular press:  National Geographic, The Smithsonian, NPR, to name a few sources.  Subsequent to my college education, which, though heavy in the sciences, was never once critical of the theory, a friend gave me Michael Denton&#8217;s book,  &#8220;Evolution: A Theory in Crisis.&#8221;  Currently,  I am making my way through W.R. Bird&#8217;s, &#8220;The Origin of Species Revisited.&#8221;  These two works  address the serious flaws in Darwinian and neo-Darwinian foundations.  Modern science rather than bringing additional support to the evolutionist, is actually making him appear quite like his principal antagonist, the fundamentalist Christian.  His head, likewise, appears quite stuck in the sand.  To summarize the gist of my readings:  Microevolution, absolutely.  Macroevolution(trans-speciation), never.  Poppycock, my friends.  Consider the ant, or perhaps some symbiotic relationship, or perhaps tern migration and forget your agenda.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh7</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40821</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Science, unlike atheism, is NOT a religion.&quot; 
Atheism is a religion like OFF is a TV channel. 
Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.
(Contributions welcome.)

Transitional forms? We have heaps, as many as any reasonable person could ask, and more coming in every day. The wonder is not how few fossils we have but how many.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Science, unlike atheism, is NOT a religion.&#8221;<br />
Atheism is a religion like OFF is a TV channel.<br />
Atheism is a religion like not collecting stamps is a hobby.<br />
(Contributions welcome.)</p>
<p>Transitional forms? We have heaps, as many as any reasonable person could ask, and more coming in every day. The wonder is not how few fossils we have but how many.</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40820</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 05:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One sure way to identify people who know nothing of evolutionary theory is by their constant, and improper, use of words, like Darwinism or Darwinian.  They seem to assume that those who deal with observations, inductive and deductive reasoning, formulation and testing of hypotheses, a very few of which lead to scientific theories, are as addicted to dogma and belief systems as they.  The truth is that many, if not most (unless things have changed dramatically over the last decade) biologists have never even cracked open Darwin&#039;s book unless they have taken a history of biology course, or been particularly curious about Darwin as a person.  Darwin is NOT someone we worship, nor would he have tolerated such nonsense.  Science, unlike atheism, is NOT a religion.

People seem to forget, or have never bothered to learn, that Darwin was not the only one exploring and observing the world around him during his time -- and before.  Darwin happened to be the first to be published widely.  Type in Alfred Russell Wallace to your favorite search program, for instance.  It might set you upon a journey of intellectual expansion.  The view of the world would have changed with or without him specifically, at least for those more concerned with observation than with wishful thinking, or superstition, both of which lead to conclusions that are worse than utter poppycock.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One sure way to identify people who know nothing of evolutionary theory is by their constant, and improper, use of words, like Darwinism or Darwinian.  They seem to assume that those who deal with observations, inductive and deductive reasoning, formulation and testing of hypotheses, a very few of which lead to scientific theories, are as addicted to dogma and belief systems as they.  The truth is that many, if not most (unless things have changed dramatically over the last decade) biologists have never even cracked open Darwin&#8217;s book unless they have taken a history of biology course, or been particularly curious about Darwin as a person.  Darwin is NOT someone we worship, nor would he have tolerated such nonsense.  Science, unlike atheism, is NOT a religion.</p>
<p>People seem to forget, or have never bothered to learn, that Darwin was not the only one exploring and observing the world around him during his time &#8212; and before.  Darwin happened to be the first to be published widely.  Type in Alfred Russell Wallace to your favorite search program, for instance.  It might set you upon a journey of intellectual expansion.  The view of the world would have changed with or without him specifically, at least for those more concerned with observation than with wishful thinking, or superstition, both of which lead to conclusions that are worse than utter poppycock.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40799</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing the founding fathers had right:  they were deists.  When an individual espouses Darwinian poppycock, I consider that he/she is wanting in a knowledge of space and natural history.  The heavens and all creatures, great and small (without transitional forms), declare His handiwork.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing the founding fathers had right:  they were deists.  When an individual espouses Darwinian poppycock, I consider that he/she is wanting in a knowledge of space and natural history.  The heavens and all creatures, great and small (without transitional forms), declare His handiwork.</p>
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		<title>By: Tree</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40690</link>
		<dc:creator>Tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Martha, I&#039;m not that impressed with the article itself but I felt to read that particular comment and take it literally was incorrect and that is a common occurrence in the comments.  
As for a lot of hatred tossed at religious people--I don&#039;t support hatred but I support religion even less, so I have little patience or sympathy for religious people.

Largely white audience?  How do you know this?
You mention MLK.  I take it you would not consider him a good, loyal American who was proud of his heritage?  (If we were to take that comment literally and if I was to take your comment about it not belonging on DV literally)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Martha, I&#8217;m not that impressed with the article itself but I felt to read that particular comment and take it literally was incorrect and that is a common occurrence in the comments.<br />
As for a lot of hatred tossed at religious people&#8211;I don&#8217;t support hatred but I support religion even less, so I have little patience or sympathy for religious people.</p>
<p>Largely white audience?  How do you know this?<br />
You mention MLK.  I take it you would not consider him a good, loyal American who was proud of his heritage?  (If we were to take that comment literally and if I was to take your comment about it not belonging on DV literally)</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40689</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[suthiano,
we can infer that atoms exist because we have smoking bombs to prove that there is s&#039;mthing to the theories of physics.
and some of the unseeables can be seen with telescope and microscope.

i was using the word  &quot;god&quot;  as the mad priests use it. they know that it is a HE; talks hebrew  and to hebrew prophets only; chooses people over    other people, etc. 
yes, we have to guess to obtain further sightings; but one has to see s&#039;mthing before one says, Ok i&#039;ve seen steam. Will it scald me if i put my hand in it? Can i use it?

i do not know how one can obtain new discoveries by neglecting to remember one saw the first cause; one saw, tasted, felt,, touched, heard s&#039;mthing.
and obtained thus traces of the events, called memories. about which one can think.
but even memories precede thinking/guessing/postulating/theorising.
to obtain an image of s&#039;mthing one had to see it first.
suthiano, i have not seen you; thus i have no image of you or your behavior.
but if i had expereienced you i wld have images of you and your behavior and only then make some conclusion as to whether you are friendly, nice, etc.tnx]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>suthiano,<br />
we can infer that atoms exist because we have smoking bombs to prove that there is s&#8217;mthing to the theories of physics.<br />
and some of the unseeables can be seen with telescope and microscope.</p>
<p>i was using the word  &#8220;god&#8221;  as the mad priests use it. they know that it is a HE; talks hebrew  and to hebrew prophets only; chooses people over    other people, etc.<br />
yes, we have to guess to obtain further sightings; but one has to see s&#8217;mthing before one says, Ok i&#8217;ve seen steam. Will it scald me if i put my hand in it? Can i use it?</p>
<p>i do not know how one can obtain new discoveries by neglecting to remember one saw the first cause; one saw, tasted, felt,, touched, heard s&#8217;mthing.<br />
and obtained thus traces of the events, called memories. about which one can think.<br />
but even memories precede thinking/guessing/postulating/theorising.<br />
to obtain an image of s&#8217;mthing one had to see it first.<br />
suthiano, i have not seen you; thus i have no image of you or your behavior.<br />
but if i had expereienced you i wld have images of you and your behavior and only then make some conclusion as to whether you are friendly, nice, etc.tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40687</link>
		<dc:creator>Martha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:10:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[None of the articles posted here on Dissident Voice are so far reaching or so deeply intellectual that they are impossible to understand yet nearly every day there are comments from people like Martha who are incapable of grasping the most basic forms of satire, sarcasm, humor and any shade of gray. How embarrassing for them.
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Tree, I actually had a nice comment for you recently and I have left many nice comments at other articles.  There is no &#039;humor&#039; in the article above.  There is only &quot;evil Republicans.&quot;  There is only spin.  As if the writer wishes he were part of that 8:45 a.m. phone call Politico just wrote about where the echo chamber the Democrats hope will compete with the Republicans takes place Monday through Friday as they learn the White House agenda for the day and what points to push.
I&#039;m not embarrassed to call out propaganda.  
That&#039;s all this article is.
That and a lot of hatred tossed at people who are religious.
As an African-American, I&#039;ll leave it to DV&#039;s largely White leadership to wonder where the author of the article would put MLK on his hate chain?]]></description>
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Tree, I actually had a nice comment for you recently and I have left many nice comments at other articles.  There is no &#8216;humor&#8217; in the article above.  There is only &#8220;evil Republicans.&#8221;  There is only spin.  As if the writer wishes he were part of that 8:45 a.m. phone call Politico just wrote about where the echo chamber the Democrats hope will compete with the Republicans takes place Monday through Friday as they learn the White House agenda for the day and what points to push.<br />
I&#8217;m not embarrassed to call out propaganda.<br />
That&#8217;s all this article is.<br />
That and a lot of hatred tossed at people who are religious.<br />
As an African-American, I&#8217;ll leave it to DV&#8217;s largely White leadership to wonder where the author of the article would put MLK on his hate chain?</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-new-circumcision/#comment-40678</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Mikel,

Bozh can talk with me--we&#039;re cool

Martha has a point...if your article was about laying blame on Repubs, the first paragraph wouldn&#039;t seem so out of place.  But you did include that first paragraph and though I think (unlike Martha) that the line about good loyal Americans was pointed, the notion that this was a Bush mainly problem shines through.  Clinton was a tool of the ruling class too and worse in many ways

I enjoyed the rest of it but since definitions are important, I don&#039;t think less people believe in God (whatever that means)---it&#039;s just all the fashion now to say they don&#039;t prescribe to a religion (whatever that means) and to a lesser extent &quot;christianity&quot; (again, whatever that means).  I don&#039;t think the study necessarily reflects any actual self realized change.  Not to say though that it doesn&#039;t mean anything that people are shedding the &quot;christian&quot; label.

Cheers]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Mikel,</p>
<p>Bozh can talk with me&#8211;we&#8217;re cool</p>
<p>Martha has a point&#8230;if your article was about laying blame on Repubs, the first paragraph wouldn&#8217;t seem so out of place.  But you did include that first paragraph and though I think (unlike Martha) that the line about good loyal Americans was pointed, the notion that this was a Bush mainly problem shines through.  Clinton was a tool of the ruling class too and worse in many ways</p>
<p>I enjoyed the rest of it but since definitions are important, I don&#8217;t think less people believe in God (whatever that means)&#8212;it&#8217;s just all the fashion now to say they don&#8217;t prescribe to a religion (whatever that means) and to a lesser extent &#8220;christianity&#8221; (again, whatever that means).  I don&#8217;t think the study necessarily reflects any actual self realized change.  Not to say though that it doesn&#8217;t mean anything that people are shedding the &#8220;christian&#8221; label.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<dc:creator>Tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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