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		<title>By: Barry99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41139</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hue - Of course, Australia also has its racial history as well.  Since almost wiping out its indigenous population it has perceived itself as underpopulated relative to its size, and proximity to densely populated East Asia.  In recent decades immigrants from Asia have been arriving in greater numbers,  While this is likely desirable by Big Business -  its also sets off xenophobic responses.  Thus giving incentives for larger families.  Such programs, while officially ethnic/race neutral, can be targeted towards areas where whites are dominant (relative to recently arrived Asian populations).  I don&#039;t know if Australia is doing that, but it would not be the first time it&#039;s been accused of racism.  However, this all comes up against the gradual (rapid?) drying of the continent, the prospect of water supply catastrophes, and possible food shortages.  Maybe Australia ain&#039;t what it used to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hue &#8211; Of course, Australia also has its racial history as well.  Since almost wiping out its indigenous population it has perceived itself as underpopulated relative to its size, and proximity to densely populated East Asia.  In recent decades immigrants from Asia have been arriving in greater numbers,  While this is likely desirable by Big Business &#8211;  its also sets off xenophobic responses.  Thus giving incentives for larger families.  Such programs, while officially ethnic/race neutral, can be targeted towards areas where whites are dominant (relative to recently arrived Asian populations).  I don&#8217;t know if Australia is doing that, but it would not be the first time it&#8217;s been accused of racism.  However, this all comes up against the gradual (rapid?) drying of the continent, the prospect of water supply catastrophes, and possible food shortages.  Maybe Australia ain&#8217;t what it used to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41129</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 05:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry,
Yeah to all that...I mentioned Australia because they are giving incentives for women to reproduce--It&#039;s a crisis for development if populations aren&#039;t growing fast enough.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry,<br />
Yeah to all that&#8230;I mentioned Australia because they are giving incentives for women to reproduce&#8211;It&#8217;s a crisis for development if populations aren&#8217;t growing fast enough.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Barry99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41093</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I&#039;m all for  trying - in case I&#039;m wrong about the pending apocalypse - which  I may very well be.  Yeah, we have to be trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I&#8217;m all for  trying &#8211; in case I&#8217;m wrong about the pending apocalypse &#8211; which  I may very well be.  Yeah, we have to be trying.</p>
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		<title>By: James Keye</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41091</link>
		<dc:creator>James Keye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 17:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry99,

It may be too late to win, but it is not too late to try.  And if you live in integration of specieshood, the ride will have been just fine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry99,</p>
<p>It may be too late to win, but it is not too late to try.  And if you live in integration of specieshood, the ride will have been just fine.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41088</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 16:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hue - I agree that it is likely too late.  Jimmy Carter had solar panels on the roof of the White House and was poised to further address environmental issues.  Reagan had those panels removed right away - and threw his lot in with big business and big oil.  So we lost more than a quarter century of research and development.  Obama now wants toxic emissions in the year 2050 to be reduced to 1990 levels - and we know that this will not only be watered down by congress (and the 2500 industry lobbyists) but whatever measures they eventually do settle on will not be frontloaded.  Big changes coming down the pike.  And capitalists will fail to adjust because it only thinks about short term capital accumulation.  I&#039;m sure that holds for Australia as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hue &#8211; I agree that it is likely too late.  Jimmy Carter had solar panels on the roof of the White House and was poised to further address environmental issues.  Reagan had those panels removed right away &#8211; and threw his lot in with big business and big oil.  So we lost more than a quarter century of research and development.  Obama now wants toxic emissions in the year 2050 to be reduced to 1990 levels &#8211; and we know that this will not only be watered down by congress (and the 2500 industry lobbyists) but whatever measures they eventually do settle on will not be frontloaded.  Big changes coming down the pike.  And capitalists will fail to adjust because it only thinks about short term capital accumulation.  I&#8217;m sure that holds for Australia as well.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41085</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don,
tnx for your comment,

&#039;my&#039;  thinking is not solely mine. in fact, i do not know what is mine and what is ours.
most or  ?all of what i say is not mine; it belongs to world lore.

the universal or panhuman knowledge is a forbidden fruit.  that is one reason we have legalized schooling and delegalized drugs.

the two wars, the war on a broad enlightenment and drugs  may continue until  people obtain an elucidation of what is realy going on.

will it come one day from  the top of the trapezoid structure?  posssibly?
let&#039;s hope that we can educate first  the  &#039;illuminati&#039;  [priests, &#039;educators&#039;, pols] and the &#039;litterati&#039; help us educate the middle and the bottom of the trapeze. tx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don,<br />
tnx for your comment,</p>
<p>&#8216;my&#8217;  thinking is not solely mine. in fact, i do not know what is mine and what is ours.<br />
most or  ?all of what i say is not mine; it belongs to world lore.</p>
<p>the universal or panhuman knowledge is a forbidden fruit.  that is one reason we have legalized schooling and delegalized drugs.</p>
<p>the two wars, the war on a broad enlightenment and drugs  may continue until  people obtain an elucidation of what is realy going on.</p>
<p>will it come one day from  the top of the trapezoid structure?  posssibly?<br />
let&#8217;s hope that we can educate first  the  &#8216;illuminati&#8217;  [priests, 'educators', pols] and the &#8216;litterati&#8217; help us educate the middle and the bottom of the trapeze. tx</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41076</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bozh I am starting to understand your thinking on many different levels and you are right on those different levels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bozh I am starting to understand your thinking on many different levels and you are right on those different levels.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41074</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 11:54:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special

Hubble&#039;s observations suggested that there was a time, called the big bang, when the universe was infinitesimally small and infinitely dense. Under such conditions all the laws of science, and therefore all ability to predict the future, would break down. If there were events earlier than this time, then they could not affect what happens at the present time. Their existence can be ignored because it would have no onservational consequences. One may say that time had a beginning at the big bang, in the sense that earlier times simply would not be defined. It should be emphasized that this beginning in time is very different from those that had been considered previously. In an unchanging universe a beginning in time is something that has to be imposed by some being outside the universe; there is no physical necessity for a beginning. One can imagine that God created the universe at literally any time in the past. On the other hand, if the universe is expanding, there may be physical reasons why there had to be a beginning. One could imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big bang, or even afterwards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big bang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big bang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job! [Stephen Hawking}, A Brief History of Time

   As I was reading Hawking last night I had on Fox news and Bill O&#039;Reilly was on and he had first Glenn Beck then Geraldo Rivera.  After reading Hawking my mind was thinking about stuff and I watched Bill for awhile and my first thought was my God these people are nuts.  Glenn Beck is starting something called 912 and was crying earlier on his show I mean actually crying and this 912 thing could be sort of a new religion for people to get there heads around.  On the Bill show he said yes I am crazy, I agree.  I think Bill is afraid Glenn is going to get better ratings.  Then Bill was talking about the great left wing conspiracy and NBC and other groups that must be stopped.  Then Geraldo was on and was talking about some murder case and called the people involved in that case trailer trash in so many words and drug addicts, strange. Now this case happens in America a million times but for some reason they talk about this one case over and over again.  Why is it so important to them to do this?  I guess they think people want to keep watching this over and over again the ratings thing and just maybe to keep people in kind of a prison for there mind.  My son lives in a trailer and has a small farm and is making it the best way he can in this Mad Mad Mad World.  My son and his son have more humanity and my grandson is only six then Beck and Bill and Geraldo combined.  How do I know this well it&#039;s kind of easy to see it doesn&#039;t take a genius to know this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are just an advanced breed of monkeys on a minor planet of a very average star. But we can understand the Universe. That makes us something very special</p>
<p>Hubble&#8217;s observations suggested that there was a time, called the big bang, when the universe was infinitesimally small and infinitely dense. Under such conditions all the laws of science, and therefore all ability to predict the future, would break down. If there were events earlier than this time, then they could not affect what happens at the present time. Their existence can be ignored because it would have no onservational consequences. One may say that time had a beginning at the big bang, in the sense that earlier times simply would not be defined. It should be emphasized that this beginning in time is very different from those that had been considered previously. In an unchanging universe a beginning in time is something that has to be imposed by some being outside the universe; there is no physical necessity for a beginning. One can imagine that God created the universe at literally any time in the past. On the other hand, if the universe is expanding, there may be physical reasons why there had to be a beginning. One could imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big bang, or even afterwards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big bang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big bang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job! [Stephen Hawking}, A Brief History of Time</p>
<p>   As I was reading Hawking last night I had on Fox news and Bill O&#8217;Reilly was on and he had first Glenn Beck then Geraldo Rivera.  After reading Hawking my mind was thinking about stuff and I watched Bill for awhile and my first thought was my God these people are nuts.  Glenn Beck is starting something called 912 and was crying earlier on his show I mean actually crying and this 912 thing could be sort of a new religion for people to get there heads around.  On the Bill show he said yes I am crazy, I agree.  I think Bill is afraid Glenn is going to get better ratings.  Then Bill was talking about the great left wing conspiracy and NBC and other groups that must be stopped.  Then Geraldo was on and was talking about some murder case and called the people involved in that case trailer trash in so many words and drug addicts, strange. Now this case happens in America a million times but for some reason they talk about this one case over and over again.  Why is it so important to them to do this?  I guess they think people want to keep watching this over and over again the ratings thing and just maybe to keep people in kind of a prison for there mind.  My son lives in a trailer and has a small farm and is making it the best way he can in this Mad Mad Mad World.  My son and his son have more humanity and my grandson is only six then Beck and Bill and Geraldo combined.  How do I know this well it&#8217;s kind of easy to see it doesn&#8217;t take a genius to know this.</p>
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		<title>By: Garth</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41070</link>
		<dc:creator>Garth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 08:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either we&#039;ll free ourselves from oppression or we&#039;ll free humanity from existence. Free in the end either way... Just keep doing your best and try to avoid the latter option.

Really, the rest of nature might be better off if we just croak, but if we manage to get over our superiority complex over the rest of nature, we might be able to contribute to the direction nature takes.

Actually, we ARE! As a part of nature, we may be contributing to the end of our own species. :P Nature naturally produces extinctions... We, with the help of the rest of nature, might just be running right off a cliff.

I&#039;m mostly worried that some big arrogant empire run from a tiny hypocritical country, facing resistance worldwide, might decide that their fall is inevitable unless they drop a whole bunch of nuclear missiles (from wherever they retain control) on the areas where their most troublesome resistance comes from... Because they already resort to extreme violence for absurd reasons in the face of resistance, and they don&#039;t seem to care that the whole world (pretty much) knows they&#039;re full of sh*t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either we&#8217;ll free ourselves from oppression or we&#8217;ll free humanity from existence. Free in the end either way&#8230; Just keep doing your best and try to avoid the latter option.</p>
<p>Really, the rest of nature might be better off if we just croak, but if we manage to get over our superiority complex over the rest of nature, we might be able to contribute to the direction nature takes.</p>
<p>Actually, we ARE! As a part of nature, we may be contributing to the end of our own species. :P Nature naturally produces extinctions&#8230; We, with the help of the rest of nature, might just be running right off a cliff.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m mostly worried that some big arrogant empire run from a tiny hypocritical country, facing resistance worldwide, might decide that their fall is inevitable unless they drop a whole bunch of nuclear missiles (from wherever they retain control) on the areas where their most troublesome resistance comes from&#8230; Because they already resort to extreme violence for absurd reasons in the face of resistance, and they don&#8217;t seem to care that the whole world (pretty much) knows they&#8217;re full of sh*t.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41057</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 02:12:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry99,

Tell that to Australia...The models won&#039;t die until there is nothing left.  I may be wrong but I just don&#039;t see engineering intervening with capitalism until it&#039;s too late and too late for everyone-including the ruling class who still has to breathe the kind of air that&#039;s left behind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry99,</p>
<p>Tell that to Australia&#8230;The models won&#8217;t die until there is nothing left.  I may be wrong but I just don&#8217;t see engineering intervening with capitalism until it&#8217;s too late and too late for everyone-including the ruling class who still has to breathe the kind of air that&#8217;s left behind</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41031</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 21:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Psychopath or saint, rich or poor, big or small, smart or semi-smart.

One thing is 100% for sure.. &quot;we all got it coming, kid.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Psychopath or saint, rich or poor, big or small, smart or semi-smart.</p>
<p>One thing is 100% for sure.. &#8220;we all got it coming, kid.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Hatch</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41026</link>
		<dc:creator>John S. Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:35:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Depopulation should be the highest priority of the US Foreign Policy towards the Third World&quot;. - Henry Kissinger</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Depopulation should be the highest priority of the US Foreign Policy towards the Third World&#8221;. &#8211; Henry Kissinger</p>
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		<title>By: Barry99</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41022</link>
		<dc:creator>Barry99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 20:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hue - I think the system has enough people for now.  They have hundreds of millions of laborers to tap into in China and then India.  They do have to hope they can grow the consuming classes. There in lies the dilemma  - how to grow a middle class that will consume these products yet hold down wages on this middle class at the same time. 

The old Henry Ford model was to pay his workers enough so that they could buy a Ford auto.  The new Walmart model is to pay the workers so little they can afford to shop nowhere but Walmart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hue &#8211; I think the system has enough people for now.  They have hundreds of millions of laborers to tap into in China and then India.  They do have to hope they can grow the consuming classes. There in lies the dilemma  &#8211; how to grow a middle class that will consume these products yet hold down wages on this middle class at the same time. </p>
<p>The old Henry Ford model was to pay his workers enough so that they could buy a Ford auto.  The new Walmart model is to pay the workers so little they can afford to shop nowhere but Walmart.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-41010</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 17:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>will i be the only one to aver that we are OK.  we do not have the type of intelligence that some people may refer to. we just are; ergo, OK.
let&#039;s forever drive the notion out that we are not  OK.
we got the intelligence that nature had endowed us with; it did best it cld; there is no more intelligence than what we have been given.

and it&#039;s  astounding, beatiful, etc. however, it is entirely different phenomena, at least when it pertains to our intelligence [whatever it may be to each of us], that we have been deluded to a point that we are risking our and biota&#039;s existence.

one can only adapt to the reality and not a fictitious one that we are daily bombarded with by &#039;eduators&#039;,  priests, reporters, pols, and even an odd scientist. 

and one needs only to omit one fact of import which pertains to present to us a fictitious reality.  
yet, the &#039;illuminati&#039;  and other elitists, omit daily many facts. it&#039;s like a jigsaw puzzle one is solving but not knowing that some tiles are missing.
and not being able to solve it, blames self.

this is what the ruling class has been doing to us for at least 8-10T yrs .
and because of that we ?all feel stupid, inadequate, out of it, etc.  but it is not &#039;gods&#039;  nor nature which has done that but kings, nobles, clergy; both modern and ancient! tx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will i be the only one to aver that we are OK.  we do not have the type of intelligence that some people may refer to. we just are; ergo, OK.<br />
let&#8217;s forever drive the notion out that we are not  OK.<br />
we got the intelligence that nature had endowed us with; it did best it cld; there is no more intelligence than what we have been given.</p>
<p>and it&#8217;s  astounding, beatiful, etc. however, it is entirely different phenomena, at least when it pertains to our intelligence [whatever it may be to each of us], that we have been deluded to a point that we are risking our and biota&#8217;s existence.</p>
<p>one can only adapt to the reality and not a fictitious one that we are daily bombarded with by &#8216;eduators&#8217;,  priests, reporters, pols, and even an odd scientist. </p>
<p>and one needs only to omit one fact of import which pertains to present to us a fictitious reality.<br />
yet, the &#8216;illuminati&#8217;  and other elitists, omit daily many facts. it&#8217;s like a jigsaw puzzle one is solving but not knowing that some tiles are missing.<br />
and not being able to solve it, blames self.</p>
<p>this is what the ruling class has been doing to us for at least 8-10T yrs .<br />
and because of that we ?all feel stupid, inadequate, out of it, etc.  but it is not &#8216;gods&#8217;  nor nature which has done that but kings, nobles, clergy; both modern and ancient! tx</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-40998</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are not US. I am not YOU. We are not THEM. YOU are not ME.

Guess it is determined by what your vantage point at that moment in fleeting time actually is. Maybe it is determined by nothing at all.

Ain&#039;t this existence wonderful!

Power to whomever wants to take it.

We have them exactly where they want us.

They have us exactly where we want them.

[i think i&#039;m going crazy!?!?]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are not US. I am not YOU. We are not THEM. YOU are not ME.</p>
<p>Guess it is determined by what your vantage point at that moment in fleeting time actually is. Maybe it is determined by nothing at all.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t this existence wonderful!</p>
<p>Power to whomever wants to take it.</p>
<p>We have them exactly where they want us.</p>
<p>They have us exactly where we want them.</p>
<p>[i think i'm going crazy!?!?]</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-40990</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who is they?  Just maybe there is no they.</description>
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		<title>By: Ned Lud</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-40989</link>
		<dc:creator>Ned Lud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bones of the dead~

We should listen more frequently, more attentively, to those who have already died. 

Excellent piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bones of the dead~</p>
<p>We should listen more frequently, more attentively, to those who have already died. </p>
<p>Excellent piece.</p>
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		<title>By: mareta</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-40987</link>
		<dc:creator>mareta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I, for one, would be very happy to be left behind as the chosen ones go whisking off into space. I would see it as my obligation to find a way to carry on and devote whatever time I had  left to the rejuvenation of the planet. I&#039;m not saying it would be pleasant :) 
I do not dream of &quot;Boldly going where no man has gone before&quot; if the motivation is simply more of the same that led to the destruction of my planet - domination, colonization and mindless resource extraction. 
If that&#039;s what they want they can have it. 
There have been countless civilizations throughout time that have been cruelly dismantled by the elite when they found that their kingdom had become too costly to maintain. They closed-up shop and moved somewhere else leaving behind thousands of people to suffer with the loss of protection and assured food sources. Over and over, throughout the ages, ordinary people have had to find the resiliance and strength to start over again. 
This is nothing new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I, for one, would be very happy to be left behind as the chosen ones go whisking off into space. I would see it as my obligation to find a way to carry on and devote whatever time I had  left to the rejuvenation of the planet. I&#8217;m not saying it would be pleasant :)<br />
I do not dream of &#8220;Boldly going where no man has gone before&#8221; if the motivation is simply more of the same that led to the destruction of my planet &#8211; domination, colonization and mindless resource extraction.<br />
If that&#8217;s what they want they can have it.<br />
There have been countless civilizations throughout time that have been cruelly dismantled by the elite when they found that their kingdom had become too costly to maintain. They closed-up shop and moved somewhere else leaving behind thousands of people to suffer with the loss of protection and assured food sources. Over and over, throughout the ages, ordinary people have had to find the resiliance and strength to start over again.<br />
This is nothing new.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-40972</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 06:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe a giant kill off soon but for now from what I can tell, they want more and more people because capitalism is still alive and production needs to grow-not merely be sustained.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe a giant kill off soon but for now from what I can tell, they want more and more people because capitalism is still alive and production needs to grow-not merely be sustained.</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/the-final-choice/#comment-40970</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 05:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would not count out near, and then further out, earth orbit as the practical liberator of persons and peoples.

It&#039;s real hard to enslave someone who can push an asteroid with little to no energy investment, if you push him too far. 

The future debate will probably resolve to this: pantropy or terraforming. If terraforming wins out, perhaps the fears expressed above will be more likely. If pantropy wins out, not so much. 

Anyway - for some speculative treatment of the liberatory potentials of space exploration, expansion and accelerando: KS Robinson, Iain Banks, Ken MacCleod, LE Modesitt and Alastair Reynolds</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would not count out near, and then further out, earth orbit as the practical liberator of persons and peoples.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s real hard to enslave someone who can push an asteroid with little to no energy investment, if you push him too far. </p>
<p>The future debate will probably resolve to this: pantropy or terraforming. If terraforming wins out, perhaps the fears expressed above will be more likely. If pantropy wins out, not so much. </p>
<p>Anyway &#8211; for some speculative treatment of the liberatory potentials of space exploration, expansion and accelerando: KS Robinson, Iain Banks, Ken MacCleod, LE Modesitt and Alastair Reynolds</p>
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