“Mike,
Natural disasters could happen anywhere, anytime to anybody, whether he/she is “good’ or “bad” or “in between”.
so, basing any country policies on that is “in my humble opinion” absurd and definitely is not advised.”
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And that was not my point nor was I saying that. You missed the point. Never mind.

Natural disasters could happen anywhere, anytime to anybody, whether he/she is “good’ or “bad” or “in between”.
so, basing any country policies on that is “in my humble opinion” absurd and definitely is not advised.

I agree with Skip.

Don’t blame me I voted for McGovern!

The truth is that Obama is doing what he has always done. Say one good thing and then contradict it with bad actions. During the campaign Obama did more war mongering than McCain. Obama only told two lies during he campaign, that he was hope and change. As to the rest of his positions, those that voted for him did not pay attention.

We have aguy in the White House who is slicker than slick Willy. Toward the end of his address to the nation, Obama said he wanted everyone to have a tax free retirment savings account right after he mentioned a needed discussion on social security. Sounds to me like he wants to privitize social security.

Put nothing past Barry O.

Eric

My response is the following:

If this nation (the States) has a volcano erupt, such as Yellowstone National Park (see link below) and this nation only has hours to evacuate the entire nation, I’m sure *you* would not run south of the border, would you? Would you *illegally* (to use your word) cross the border into México and become an “ILLEGAL” (your word and the way you write it)? Of course you would to survive and eat. Get it?

YELLOWSTONE SUPERVOLCANO GETTING READY TO BLOW ITS CORK
http://www.earthmountainview.com/yellowstone/yellowstone.htm

(What goes around comes around).

No I am not Brittancus. There is no “hate/bile” toward “immigrants”.
You didn’t respond to any of the points I raised and please don’t
confuse and mix legal and illegal immigration.
OVER AND OUT!!

This thread is about “Obama Expands War, Slaps Peace Voters.”
It is not about immigration.

I responded to Brittancus yesterday (or are you one-in-the-same people?) because I can’t stand to let hate/bile towards immigrants remain unchallenged whenever I read it. That is why I responded to Brittancus (or you, if you are Brittancus). I said all I have to say on the issue yesterday.

No argument there, bro.

To Beverly: I understand Rangle’s position in the past (and yours) of supporting a draft in order to make all feel the pain. The only problem is that people, and most likely exclusively men, will be forced into involuntary servitude, destroying their lives, their families’ lives and adding more fodder for the cannons while a movement tries to get off its ass to do something in the meantime.

In our country, the liberal anti-warniks will still find a way of getting out of it, by offering to do community service or something that the urban and rural poor won’t realistically have a shot at.

Brittancus has a good valid point, so please think before attacking him.
Brittancus is not bashing immigrants but he is objecting to the flood of
ILLIGAL immigrants that is flooding the country and its bad effects
on job oppotunities, wages, and working conditions for the working
class of this country. Nobody can deny that , can you.??
When illegal immigrants flood an area there is a marked detoriation
in the quality of life in that area and a marked rise in crime. Nobody can deny that , can you?? Even most of their fellow compatiots who were born here agree with that and object to illigal immigration.
Please come down of your ivory tower and be a defender of your fellow
working people. What are you doing is you are playing in the hands of big business who wants to open the doors for illigal immigrants to insure an endless supply of cheap and intimidated workers who will accept everything dished at them and will object to nothing.
Your attitude is rewarding the corproate over-lords and penalising the
working people twice: first they see their jobs outsourced, second
they have to compete with illigal immigrants for the little jobs left .
Yes, outsourcing of jobs should be stoped and also illigal immigration
should be stoped too.
Let us face it, there is no room in this country for everyone who wants to come here and settle. Do you think this realistic and make sense??!!
come and settle here .
Please do not call me a racist becaus I am not. I am an immigrant who
came here legally and I am not from Europe!!!

The feigned shock over Obama’s “troop surge” is laughable. Throughout the campaign and election, he left no doubt as to where his foreign policy agenda was going.

Perhaps the draft needs to be reinstated. The threat of being sent to the Afghan front might be enough to light a fire under the peaceniks and progressives to awaken them from their Obama/Democrats Rock! stupor and raise enough ruckus to force their President and Congress to end their warmongering.

Obama showing his loyal subjects the back of his hand? He’ll be mooning them on CNN one day if they keep allowing him to piss all over every bit of “hope and change” they voted for.

I don’t think there’s a need to buy into conspiracy theories. The conspiracy is out in the open, not hidden. There is a psyops operation going on against the American people, but the propaganda machine and those behind it are fairly easy to identify. It consists of the heads of transnational corporations and Wall Street banks, along with their minions in government. It consists of those who have grown fabulously rich from neoliberal policies and wish to continue imposing the same policies. The ruling elite does not consist of evil individuals who are constantly scheming towards world domination, but of clever and accomplished people of differing moral characters, who have pursued a strategy that has resulted in great personal success. That success has been accomplished in a particular economic and political context that they wish to preserve because by preserving it, they can preserve their wealth and sense of accomplishment. So far their strategy seems to be working extremely well.

Yes. As well as the shredding of the US Constitution, the erosion of civil liberties and the destruction of this nation.

Sadly, I couldn’t convince anyone in mycircle of friends to actually pay attention, their fascination with celebrity, good looks and good voice having overwhelmed the thinking part of their brain.

It’s not important to quibble over which party is more power hungry. I hope we can agree that both parties are equally responsible for the bloodshed in the middle east.

You wrote: “The reason why I feel the brakes would have been on if it was a split election (R taking the WH and the D taking Congress) is because both parties, and maybe especially the Democrats, are far more into taking power than taking a principled approach.”

The Dems are far more into taking power? I can’t agree with that. I really don’t see the Dems having any interest in taking power. If they were, impeachment would not have been “off the table” after they became the majority and they wouldn’t have helped Bush accomplish most of his agenda for 8 years. It’s the Republicans who are far more into taking power. They get their agenda rammed through whether they are in the minority or the majority in congress. The same cannot be said about the Dems.