Comments on: Enough of Everything but Dollars http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/enough-of-everything-but-dollars/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michael Collins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/enough-of-everything-but-dollars/#comment-40263 Michael Collins Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:53:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7034#comment-40263 Tree, I too would like to know what the deal is if the banks go under. I do know what will happen if they survive. The same thing that just happened. It's their nature. Doug Page, I like this: SEC. 106. DISBURSEMENT IN LIEU OF BORROWING (1) Disbursement of United States Money under this Act shall be made in lieu of borrowing through Treasury instruments. Thanks for the information. I'll take a good look at that. This is the type of material that needs to be part of a citizens debate. We could randomly pick a unicameral decision making body on fundamental changes from the entire population and come up with 435 (House) + 100 (Senate) individuals who would make positive decisions about the course of the country, should they be availed of relevant information in a fair fashion and isolated from any money or other typical influences. SJ That's a grim vision but it's hard to come up with alternatives. The decades long "right to work" (at low wages) movement has been an unqualified success. Those who supported it because they were in management are seeing the next phase, "the right to lose your pension" movement. The EU as a force for anything positive is pure fiction. The proposal to enlist the Republic of Georgia as an member of NATO is absurd. The lack of stern criticism of Georgia's absurdist attack on Russian troops is another indicator that the EU is no different than the Bush White House. I think that their plan is faltering and their time may be up. greybeard616, I can't see people tolerating this wealth transfer much longer. They've taken just too much, too quickly because their scheme collapsed. Add the Irish people to that list, and they were doing as well as anyone in Europe. Lots of work to do. Tree, I too would like to know what the deal is if the banks go under. I do know what will happen if they survive. The same thing that just happened. It’s their nature.

Doug Page, I like this:
SEC. 106. DISBURSEMENT IN LIEU OF BORROWING

(1) Disbursement of United States Money under this Act shall be made in lieu of borrowing through Treasury instruments.

Thanks for the information. I’ll take a good look at that. This is the type of material that needs to be part of a citizens debate. We could randomly pick a unicameral decision making body on fundamental changes from the entire population and come up with 435 (House) + 100 (Senate) individuals who would make positive decisions about the course of the country, should they be availed of relevant information in a fair fashion and isolated from any money or other typical influences.

SJ That’s a grim vision but it’s hard to come up with alternatives. The decades long “right to work” (at low wages) movement has been an unqualified success. Those who supported it because they were in management are seeing the next phase, “the right to lose your pension” movement. The EU as a force for anything positive is pure fiction. The proposal to enlist the Republic of Georgia as an member of NATO is absurd. The lack of stern criticism of Georgia’s absurdist attack on Russian troops is another indicator that the EU is no different than the Bush White House. I think that their plan is faltering and their time may be up.

greybeard616, I can’t see people tolerating this wealth transfer much longer. They’ve taken just too much, too quickly because their scheme collapsed. Add the Irish people to that list, and they were doing as well as anyone in Europe. Lots of work to do.

]]> By: greybeard616 http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/enough-of-everything-but-dollars/#comment-40097 greybeard616 Tue, 03 Mar 2009 01:52:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7034#comment-40097 The hope is that the people will rise up, as did the Argentinians, Icelanders and Latvians and demand not an overhaul, but a replacement of the current regime--abolish the Fed, nationalize the lending institutions, and start to re-invigorate the manufacturing sector. Of course, that is a form of --shhh--socialism! But we already have socialism, for the elite, the privitization of profits and socialization of debt!! The hope is that the people will rise up, as did the Argentinians, Icelanders and Latvians and demand not an overhaul, but a replacement of the current regime–abolish the Fed, nationalize the lending institutions, and start to re-invigorate the manufacturing sector. Of course, that is a form of –shhh–socialism! But we already have socialism, for the elite, the privitization of profits and socialization of debt!!

]]> By: SJ http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/enough-of-everything-but-dollars/#comment-40061 SJ Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:47:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7034#comment-40061 I herd B.O. loud and clear in his campaign it is mind boggling , the sheepishness of the lemmings? After all the suppression and cover up in 9/11. The lies to justify Iraq, who is to say we are being told any of the truth. If nothing else, nothing will even begin to happen until they have manipulated enough of the military available public into civil service to escalate their military objectives. This also serves to give an illusion that the US public is behind the B.O. that is coming out of Washington. The EU leaders are hoping for this so they can do the same after their elections this yr. Baby boomers are complicit in hopes to save their retirements, and for this they are taking the chance of massive betrayal of their children and the younger generation of the capitalist countries. Had the banks been allowed to fail, we'd be in a similar boat, but wall street would have collapsed and everyones 401K. Larger chance of civil unrest at such an accellerated rate of collapse. This way they hold everyone at bay and suck what ever amount potential out to obtain their world military and market dominance. They are walking a tight rope and they know it, but then it is not had to imagine what would have become of their world had they not gone for the gold, (oil). The ability to take control of all that cheap labor in China, India, and Indonesia. Once they achieve driving the blue collar workers down at home they will have it. But they need our work force for military enlistment to accomplish this. I herd B.O. loud and clear in his campaign it is mind boggling , the sheepishness of the lemmings? After all the suppression and cover up in 9/11. The lies to justify Iraq, who is to say we are being told any of the truth. If nothing else, nothing will even begin to happen until they have manipulated enough of the military available public into civil service to escalate their military objectives. This also serves to give an illusion that the US public is behind the B.O. that is coming out of Washington. The EU leaders are hoping for this so they can do the same after their elections this yr. Baby boomers are complicit in hopes to save their retirements, and for this they are taking the chance of massive betrayal of their children and the younger generation of the capitalist countries. Had the banks been allowed to fail, we’d be in a similar boat, but wall street would have collapsed and everyones 401K. Larger chance of civil unrest at such an accellerated rate of collapse. This way they hold everyone at bay and suck what ever amount potential out to obtain their world military and market dominance. They are walking a tight rope and they know it, but then it is not had to imagine what would have become of their world had they not gone for the gold, (oil). The ability to take control of all that cheap labor in China, India, and Indonesia. Once they achieve driving the blue collar workers down at home they will have it. But they need our work force for military enlistment to accomplish this.

]]> By: Doug Page http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/enough-of-everything-but-dollars/#comment-40060 Doug Page Mon, 02 Mar 2009 19:46:15 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7034#comment-40060 Many of us are trying to offer an alternative: the proposed American Monetary Act that would prohibit money creation by the banks, authorize our government to be the sole creator of money, and halt the idiotic borrowing so that we can pay interest to the borrowers. The act would authorize our government to issue as much money as could be used for infrastructure rebuilding and other non-inflationary needs. Google it if you are not familiar with it. Many of us are trying to offer an alternative: the proposed American Monetary Act that would prohibit money creation by the banks, authorize our government to be the sole creator of money, and halt the idiotic borrowing so that we can pay interest to the borrowers.
The act would authorize our government to issue as much money as could be used for infrastructure rebuilding and other non-inflationary needs. Google it if you are not familiar with it.

]]> By: Tree http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/enough-of-everything-but-dollars/#comment-40044 Tree Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:48:38 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=7034#comment-40044 Good article although just once I'd like to read of a possible scenario if the banks were not given these huge chunks of cash. It seems we hear of "dire consequences" but I've not heard what exactly they are. Good article although just once I’d like to read of a possible scenario if the banks were not given these huge chunks of cash. It seems we hear of “dire consequences” but I’ve not heard what exactly they are.

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