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	<title>Comments on: Despite Obama’s Vow, Combat Brigades Will Stay in Iraq</title>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/despite-obama%e2%80%99s-vow-combat-brigades-will-stay-in-iraq/#comment-42070</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 15:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beverly to your point about the neocons, not a peep from them regarding Obama&#039;s foreign policy, and some praise has been give from their flanks.

Obama is a continuation of most of the Bush policies, both foreign and domestic. Not one policy &quot;change&quot; has been anything more than flimsy and cynical. At bottom, he has moved NOTHING beyond Bush/Cheney. 

He&#039;s continuing the &quot;war on terror&quot; in Afghanistan/Pakistan, upping the ante and with the same rationale as Bush/Cheney. No difference. The &quot;policy&quot; in Iraq is exactly where Bush left off. No difference. 

Even his executive order on stem cell research, while differing with Bush was exactly the same as McCain&#039;s. In fact, there was nothing significantly different, policy wise between McCain and Obama during the campaign except the simplistic Dem/Repub talking points about taxes. Both ultimately favored bailing out the banksters.

Why would anyone think Obama was against continuing US warring ways? He simply thought that the Iraq war was mis-managed and maybe more force was needed in other parts of the ME. That&#039;s like &quot;do we use a blind fold or leave it off before killling the prisoner?&quot; kind of difference.

The real problem with this Obama is the deep cynicism, playing progressive while acting on the principles of America Corporate Inc.

The right sees Obama for what he is - just read people like David Horowitz. He&#039;s as happy as a pig in shit about Obama&#039;s military swagger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly to your point about the neocons, not a peep from them regarding Obama&#8217;s foreign policy, and some praise has been give from their flanks.</p>
<p>Obama is a continuation of most of the Bush policies, both foreign and domestic. Not one policy &#8220;change&#8221; has been anything more than flimsy and cynical. At bottom, he has moved NOTHING beyond Bush/Cheney. </p>
<p>He&#8217;s continuing the &#8220;war on terror&#8221; in Afghanistan/Pakistan, upping the ante and with the same rationale as Bush/Cheney. No difference. The &#8220;policy&#8221; in Iraq is exactly where Bush left off. No difference. </p>
<p>Even his executive order on stem cell research, while differing with Bush was exactly the same as McCain&#8217;s. In fact, there was nothing significantly different, policy wise between McCain and Obama during the campaign except the simplistic Dem/Repub talking points about taxes. Both ultimately favored bailing out the banksters.</p>
<p>Why would anyone think Obama was against continuing US warring ways? He simply thought that the Iraq war was mis-managed and maybe more force was needed in other parts of the ME. That&#8217;s like &#8220;do we use a blind fold or leave it off before killling the prisoner?&#8221; kind of difference.</p>
<p>The real problem with this Obama is the deep cynicism, playing progressive while acting on the principles of America Corporate Inc.</p>
<p>The right sees Obama for what he is &#8211; just read people like David Horowitz. He&#8217;s as happy as a pig in shit about Obama&#8217;s military swagger.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 14:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>O gave people lotsof verbal brilliance but when such mafioso lingo was put in any context and especially in one that wld include iraq, afgh&#039;n,  pak&#039;n, iran, syria, palestina. slavery, indigenous extirpation, 180 wars, etc., it was clear at least to me that i cld expect only more and greater evil from uncle sam.

as i have noted many times,  WH staff is mere management; thus, blaming it is like blaming safeway manager for rotten fish it sells from time to time.
it&#039;s the USA, USA, USA or the UNCLE and not any presider. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>O gave people lotsof verbal brilliance but when such mafioso lingo was put in any context and especially in one that wld include iraq, afgh&#8217;n,  pak&#8217;n, iran, syria, palestina. slavery, indigenous extirpation, 180 wars, etc., it was clear at least to me that i cld expect only more and greater evil from uncle sam.</p>
<p>as i have noted many times,  WH staff is mere management; thus, blaming it is like blaming safeway manager for rotten fish it sells from time to time.<br />
it&#8217;s the USA, USA, USA or the UNCLE and not any presider. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Beverly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Obama gave a shit about &quot;moral responsibility,&quot; his cabinet wouldn&#039;t be overrun with the same crooks and co-opted louses who were key players in bringing about the disaster in which we now find ourselves.

And exactly what campaign promise is he breaking?  His quasi-withdrawal from Iraq campaign rhetoric was always full of equivocations and caveats - enough for any kool-aid free thinker to deduce the US military would be a presence in Iraq for years to come.

Yes indeedy, Mr. Gerber, the neocons won.   Obama is fulfilling their wildest dreams and more.  It&#039;s amazing how much damage one faux progressive and his band of poser Democrat synchophants can wreak on the world.   Maybe Dick Cheney isn&#039;t the only satanic cousin Obama has.  Based on his ability to bewitch the public worldwide, I&#039;m betting Reagan, the original king of public bamboozlement, is close kin too.

Iraq may not be Obama&#039;s fault but his willingness to continue the mayhem under the guise of fixing it - along with kicking up the chaos in Afghanistan and Pakistan -  makes him as guilty as those whose lies started the war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Obama gave a shit about &#8220;moral responsibility,&#8221; his cabinet wouldn&#8217;t be overrun with the same crooks and co-opted louses who were key players in bringing about the disaster in which we now find ourselves.</p>
<p>And exactly what campaign promise is he breaking?  His quasi-withdrawal from Iraq campaign rhetoric was always full of equivocations and caveats &#8211; enough for any kool-aid free thinker to deduce the US military would be a presence in Iraq for years to come.</p>
<p>Yes indeedy, Mr. Gerber, the neocons won.   Obama is fulfilling their wildest dreams and more.  It&#8217;s amazing how much damage one faux progressive and his band of poser Democrat synchophants can wreak on the world.   Maybe Dick Cheney isn&#8217;t the only satanic cousin Obama has.  Based on his ability to bewitch the public worldwide, I&#8217;m betting Reagan, the original king of public bamboozlement, is close kin too.</p>
<p>Iraq may not be Obama&#8217;s fault but his willingness to continue the mayhem under the guise of fixing it &#8211; along with kicking up the chaos in Afghanistan and Pakistan &#8211;  makes him as guilty as those whose lies started the war.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/despite-obama%e2%80%99s-vow-combat-brigades-will-stay-in-iraq/#comment-42022</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 02:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel Gerber
It&#039;s Iraq. If you want to be taken seriously than begin by not degrading the name of the country the US invaded in 1990, set about destroying, and have continued to occupy to this very moment.

That nation has been walled and in many parts (given most who left - millions and do NOT want to return) is just about unhabitable. Obama is not rebuilding Iraq. He&#039;s OCCUPYING it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel Gerber<br />
It&#8217;s Iraq. If you want to be taken seriously than begin by not degrading the name of the country the US invaded in 1990, set about destroying, and have continued to occupy to this very moment.</p>
<p>That nation has been walled and in many parts (given most who left &#8211; millions and do NOT want to return) is just about unhabitable. Obama is not rebuilding Iraq. He&#8217;s OCCUPYING it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/despite-obama%e2%80%99s-vow-combat-brigades-will-stay-in-iraq/#comment-42010</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daniel,

You say it is our job t0 fix things after messing them up but also recognize that the goal was the control of oil.  So what was messed up?  If the latter is the goal, a moral president would get out but you are saying that poor Obama recognizing the immoral goal of oil control will allow that to happen because he has a moral goal to &quot;fix&quot; things that were messed up?

Do you think that just maybe after killing 2 million people over there for the past 18 years, that &quot;we&quot; don&#039;t care about &quot;fixing&quot; things that we messed up?  Citing the possible death and chaos that would ensue from breaking away from the immoral goal of oil control is reaching VERY far</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daniel,</p>
<p>You say it is our job t0 fix things after messing them up but also recognize that the goal was the control of oil.  So what was messed up?  If the latter is the goal, a moral president would get out but you are saying that poor Obama recognizing the immoral goal of oil control will allow that to happen because he has a moral goal to &#8220;fix&#8221; things that were messed up?</p>
<p>Do you think that just maybe after killing 2 million people over there for the past 18 years, that &#8220;we&#8221; don&#8217;t care about &#8220;fixing&#8221; things that we messed up?  Citing the possible death and chaos that would ensue from breaking away from the immoral goal of oil control is reaching VERY far</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Gerber</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/despite-obama%e2%80%99s-vow-combat-brigades-will-stay-in-iraq/#comment-42009</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Gerber</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 23:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I hate to see permanent US presence in Irak, ther e is no denying that at the end of the day we went in, created a hunge vaccum by eliminating the leadership and fundamentally destabilized the country.  We dropped Humpty dumpty, it is our responsibility to pu thim back together.  In all likelyhood that will mean that if we can get a governement with a strong visionary leader that is no worse than Saddam was (probably no more democratic either), and the country can return to a relative peace accross ethnicities and religions, we will have done our job.

It is laudable to see the President sense moral responsibility towards Irak, even though it means breaking a campaign promise.  Of course, it also means the neocons won, American has its bridgehead in Arab lands to control supplies of oil, but that is not Obama&#039;s fault.  It was a clever 2 way trap from which we cannot extract ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I hate to see permanent US presence in Irak, ther e is no denying that at the end of the day we went in, created a hunge vaccum by eliminating the leadership and fundamentally destabilized the country.  We dropped Humpty dumpty, it is our responsibility to pu thim back together.  In all likelyhood that will mean that if we can get a governement with a strong visionary leader that is no worse than Saddam was (probably no more democratic either), and the country can return to a relative peace accross ethnicities and religions, we will have done our job.</p>
<p>It is laudable to see the President sense moral responsibility towards Irak, even though it means breaking a campaign promise.  Of course, it also means the neocons won, American has its bridgehead in Arab lands to control supplies of oil, but that is not Obama&#8217;s fault.  It was a clever 2 way trap from which we cannot extract ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 20:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s an old trick - change the name (not the mission) and hope nobody notices that it is the same old, same old.    Hummmmm The School of the Assassins at Fort Benning, Blackwater, combat troops......

This is a nation that thrives on perpetual war.  Maybe the failed economy will make war even MORE likely.

How many countries has the USA bombed since WW2?   Bill Blum gives the list in his books.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s an old trick &#8211; change the name (not the mission) and hope nobody notices that it is the same old, same old.    Hummmmm The School of the Assassins at Fort Benning, Blackwater, combat troops&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>This is a nation that thrives on perpetual war.  Maybe the failed economy will make war even MORE likely.</p>
<p>How many countries has the USA bombed since WW2?   Bill Blum gives the list in his books.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/despite-obama%e2%80%99s-vow-combat-brigades-will-stay-in-iraq/#comment-41987</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 19:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget that all of this pre-supposes that US economic might will not decline, but, in fact, it is already declining. It will be very easy for Obama to go back on all this, pleading economic difficulties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget that all of this pre-supposes that US economic might will not decline, but, in fact, it is already declining. It will be very easy for Obama to go back on all this, pleading economic difficulties.</p>
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