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	<title>Comments on: Accountability Legerdemain and the Intensification of Inequality</title>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/accountability-legerdemain-and-the-intensification-of-inequality/#comment-41522</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kalidas,
i, too, have been saying this for at least 20 yrs.  broad enlightening education is a sine qua non for achieving better-behaved people, governance,  and religion.

learning languages; reading novelists; learning history, consisting largely or even solely of learning dates of wars/battles lost or won; winning and losing generals, kings, nobles, princes is a pain in the neck. 

it is of value for some individuals but shldn&#039;t be mandatory for kids who do not want to learn french or history consisting of enumeration of dates, etc. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kalidas,<br />
i, too, have been saying this for at least 20 yrs.  broad enlightening education is a sine qua non for achieving better-behaved people, governance,  and religion.</p>
<p>learning languages; reading novelists; learning history, consisting largely or even solely of learning dates of wars/battles lost or won; winning and losing generals, kings, nobles, princes is a pain in the neck. </p>
<p>it is of value for some individuals but shldn&#8217;t be mandatory for kids who do not want to learn french or history consisting of enumeration of dates, etc. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/accountability-legerdemain-and-the-intensification-of-inequality/#comment-41520</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 22:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Education is...

One of the chief obstacles to intelligence and freedom of thought.
    Bertrand A. Russell

A succession of eye-openers each involving the repudiation of some previously held belief.
    George Bernard Shaw  

A form of self-delusion.
    Elbert Hubbard 

[Education] consists mainly in what we have unlearned.
    Mark Twain

the process of casting false pearls before real swine.
    Prof. Irwin Edman 

Consider... the university professor. What is his function? Simply to pass on to fresh generations of numskulls a body of so-called knowledge that is fragmentary, unimportant, and, in large part, untrue. His whole professional activity is circumscribed by the prejudices, vanities and avarices of his university trustees, i.e., a committee of soap-boilers, nail manufacturers, bank-directors and politicians. The moment he offends these vermin he is undone. He cannot so much as think aloud without running a risk of having them fan his pantaloons.
    H. L. Mencken</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Education is&#8230;</p>
<p>One of the chief obstacles to intelligence and freedom of thought.<br />
    Bertrand A. Russell</p>
<p>A succession of eye-openers each involving the repudiation of some previously held belief.<br />
    George Bernard Shaw  </p>
<p>A form of self-delusion.<br />
    Elbert Hubbard </p>
<p>[Education] consists mainly in what we have unlearned.<br />
    Mark Twain</p>
<p>the process of casting false pearls before real swine.<br />
    Prof. Irwin Edman </p>
<p>Consider&#8230; the university professor. What is his function? Simply to pass on to fresh generations of numskulls a body of so-called knowledge that is fragmentary, unimportant, and, in large part, untrue. His whole professional activity is circumscribed by the prejudices, vanities and avarices of his university trustees, i.e., a committee of soap-boilers, nail manufacturers, bank-directors and politicians. The moment he offends these vermin he is undone. He cannot so much as think aloud without running a risk of having them fan his pantaloons.<br />
    H. L. Mencken</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/accountability-legerdemain-and-the-intensification-of-inequality/#comment-41487</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 15:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>capitalism, to me, pertains to the structure of society and ownership of means of production, sales, advertising, entertainment, information, education, etc.

which one cannot have without people: consumers and owners of production. the statement is a descriptive; thus can be evaluated as true or false.
to me, the statement is true and ?all can understand it and say it is true or false.

how many people own their shops, stores, plants, radio stations, media, entertainment, public transportation, power plants, etc?
we can probably find the answer.

for our purpose  we may exclude small business and just find out who owns the major business.  probably just 20mn amers of which 2-5mn may own huge amount of properties.

it is these people, the 2-5%, who rule america much more than even the other 15mn let alone how much more than the working class.
changing such a structure can be obtained by educating people about this fact and preparing them for long war on capitalism.

working class needs own party. as far as i know, no ruling class gives away power  by just asking it to ease the grip on it even s&#039;mwhat.
but once working peoples&#039;  party grows strong and obtains seats in congress and senate, change is assured. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>capitalism, to me, pertains to the structure of society and ownership of means of production, sales, advertising, entertainment, information, education, etc.</p>
<p>which one cannot have without people: consumers and owners of production. the statement is a descriptive; thus can be evaluated as true or false.<br />
to me, the statement is true and ?all can understand it and say it is true or false.</p>
<p>how many people own their shops, stores, plants, radio stations, media, entertainment, public transportation, power plants, etc?<br />
we can probably find the answer.</p>
<p>for our purpose  we may exclude small business and just find out who owns the major business.  probably just 20mn amers of which 2-5mn may own huge amount of properties.</p>
<p>it is these people, the 2-5%, who rule america much more than even the other 15mn let alone how much more than the working class.<br />
changing such a structure can be obtained by educating people about this fact and preparing them for long war on capitalism.</p>
<p>working class needs own party. as far as i know, no ruling class gives away power  by just asking it to ease the grip on it even s&#8217;mwhat.<br />
but once working peoples&#8217;  party grows strong and obtains seats in congress and senate, change is assured. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/accountability-legerdemain-and-the-intensification-of-inequality/#comment-41476</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 03:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article has some misconceptions.

The primary reason for the difference in &quot;educational achievement&quot; is not difference in material resources in the educational system or the student&#039;s family, but different *values* based on the underlying structure that creates socio-economic difference.

Achievement within the &quot;educational system&quot; is primarily about wealth accumulation - that&#039;s the end-game and hence that&#039;s the process followed. Those who do not achieve (in many cases) don&#039;t *want* to achieve not because they don&#039;t want education, but because they don&#039;t want wealth accumulation. They reject the capitalist system that education exists within and hence reject achievement which is part of climbing the economic ladder of destructive capitalism.

Achievement within the educational system is not a matter of knowledge - it&#039;s a matter of obedience. Those who most accurately obey the instructions (whatever the instructions may be) get the best grades. It&#039;s very common for someone with more knowledge to get a worse grade - if he merely does not obey the instructions given.

The premise for this article is false - not all students equally desire to &quot;achieve&quot;. Achievement only proves obedience - that&#039;s what a diploma represents - obedience and a desire for wealth accumulation - that&#039;s exactly the product that comes out of universities.

This desire to not achieve within the educational system is largely found in lower socio-economic students, due to a cultural tendency toward resistance and non-conformity.

The solution then is not to &quot;give poor kids a fair chance&quot; - they reject the capitalist &quot;chance&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article has some misconceptions.</p>
<p>The primary reason for the difference in &#8220;educational achievement&#8221; is not difference in material resources in the educational system or the student&#8217;s family, but different *values* based on the underlying structure that creates socio-economic difference.</p>
<p>Achievement within the &#8220;educational system&#8221; is primarily about wealth accumulation &#8211; that&#8217;s the end-game and hence that&#8217;s the process followed. Those who do not achieve (in many cases) don&#8217;t *want* to achieve not because they don&#8217;t want education, but because they don&#8217;t want wealth accumulation. They reject the capitalist system that education exists within and hence reject achievement which is part of climbing the economic ladder of destructive capitalism.</p>
<p>Achievement within the educational system is not a matter of knowledge &#8211; it&#8217;s a matter of obedience. Those who most accurately obey the instructions (whatever the instructions may be) get the best grades. It&#8217;s very common for someone with more knowledge to get a worse grade &#8211; if he merely does not obey the instructions given.</p>
<p>The premise for this article is false &#8211; not all students equally desire to &#8220;achieve&#8221;. Achievement only proves obedience &#8211; that&#8217;s what a diploma represents &#8211; obedience and a desire for wealth accumulation &#8211; that&#8217;s exactly the product that comes out of universities.</p>
<p>This desire to not achieve within the educational system is largely found in lower socio-economic students, due to a cultural tendency toward resistance and non-conformity.</p>
<p>The solution then is not to &#8220;give poor kids a fair chance&#8221; &#8211; they reject the capitalist &#8220;chance&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/accountability-legerdemain-and-the-intensification-of-inequality/#comment-41458</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 23:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, the students who are &quot;successfull&quot; at school just happen to be, by some luck or combination of good or bad circumstances, able to fit into the specific mold desired.  It is not a personal acheivement or a sign that they are somehow better or smarter than others, and it doesn&#039;t mean they should get a better career and quality of life later on; it doesn&#039;t mean that they should get full scholarships to great colleges while the kids who insist on being more creative or can&#039;t concentrate because their home is full abusive addicts get mistreated at school and then thrown into the trash heap for the rest of their lives.  We need free, democratic schools that are interactive, and allow children to explore their interests, go out into the community and learn the things that they want to.  There is no need for children to have to &quot;compete&quot; with the children of other nations (or their own) at school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the students who are &#8220;successfull&#8221; at school just happen to be, by some luck or combination of good or bad circumstances, able to fit into the specific mold desired.  It is not a personal acheivement or a sign that they are somehow better or smarter than others, and it doesn&#8217;t mean they should get a better career and quality of life later on; it doesn&#8217;t mean that they should get full scholarships to great colleges while the kids who insist on being more creative or can&#8217;t concentrate because their home is full abusive addicts get mistreated at school and then thrown into the trash heap for the rest of their lives.  We need free, democratic schools that are interactive, and allow children to explore their interests, go out into the community and learn the things that they want to.  There is no need for children to have to &#8220;compete&#8221; with the children of other nations (or their own) at school.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/accountability-legerdemain-and-the-intensification-of-inequality/#comment-41446</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>children have been always left behind. and not just in US but, as far as i know,  everywhere.
one of the reasons/causes for mandatory  &#039;schooling&#039;  was and is now the wish to have kids left behind or finish  &#039;poorly&#039;;  in relation to kids finishing better.

the basic intent was to divide us; makes us envious of and hateful for  &#039;beter&#039;  kids.  in other words, the divide et impera was applied by the ruling class also in &#039;education&#039;  as well as anywhere else it cld aply the dictum.

even in marriage; in sessions with a prez and other luminairies up on podium and serfes dwn i rows instead  of all of  us sitting in  a circle. 

i do not think that societal weakness is worse than ever; it may have been that way for 10t yrs.
what makes it appear worse than ever is our techno &#039;improvements&#039;  in weaponryand electronics. tnx 
go to a church? what do you see? how about  &#039;talk&#039; [BS] show? and  so on.
tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>children have been always left behind. and not just in US but, as far as i know,  everywhere.<br />
one of the reasons/causes for mandatory  &#8216;schooling&#8217;  was and is now the wish to have kids left behind or finish  &#8216;poorly&#8217;;  in relation to kids finishing better.</p>
<p>the basic intent was to divide us; makes us envious of and hateful for  &#8216;beter&#8217;  kids.  in other words, the divide et impera was applied by the ruling class also in &#8216;education&#8217;  as well as anywhere else it cld aply the dictum.</p>
<p>even in marriage; in sessions with a prez and other luminairies up on podium and serfes dwn i rows instead  of all of  us sitting in  a circle. </p>
<p>i do not think that societal weakness is worse than ever; it may have been that way for 10t yrs.<br />
what makes it appear worse than ever is our techno &#8216;improvements&#8217;  in weaponryand electronics. tnx<br />
go to a church? what do you see? how about  &#8216;talk&#8217; [BS] show? and  so on.<br />
tnx</p>
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