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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41660</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Mar 2009 00:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Bozh you have said it many times what is ignorance living a simple life and that doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t use your mind.  You use the church and there illusion of knowledge and there attempts relentless attempts to keep proving there truths.  We could go on a thousand years on this but that has already been done and now look where we are we our out of time.

 We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Einstein 

  Did Einstein walk the talk of course not but he is right and when you look around what do you see in this mad mad mad World today?  A kind of optical delusion of consciousness, yes.  We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive and soon.  Can it be done why not I am starting to see some signs but still to slow and I will keep trying.  PBS tomorrow Extreme Ice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. Bozh you have said it many times what is ignorance living a simple life and that doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t use your mind.  You use the church and there illusion of knowledge and there attempts relentless attempts to keep proving there truths.  We could go on a thousand years on this but that has already been done and now look where we are we our out of time.</p>
<p> We experience ourselves, our thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Einstein </p>
<p>  Did Einstein walk the talk of course not but he is right and when you look around what do you see in this mad mad mad World today?  A kind of optical delusion of consciousness, yes.  We shall require a substantially new manner of thinking if humanity is to survive and soon.  Can it be done why not I am starting to see some signs but still to slow and I will keep trying.  PBS tomorrow Extreme Ice</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41653</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:11:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozh, pig l a t i n works.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozh, pig l a t i n works.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41652</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 23:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don, yes
others have said the same notion or even fact: most people know so much that isn&#039;t so. tnx for hawking&#039;s couching of the same fact.
bozhidar  bob [bozh] balkas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don, yes<br />
others have said the same notion or even fact: most people know so much that isn&#8217;t so. tnx for hawking&#8217;s couching of the same fact.<br />
bozhidar  bob [bozh] balkas</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41647</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Hawkins, whom &quot;ordained&quot; &#039;Stephen Hawking&#039;?

&quot;Those that think they are wise, surely do not know&quot;. ---maybe---

Those that follow, well, they  &quot;eat the dirt&quot;. You know of whom you are!.

Those that &#039;stand with&#039;, stand outside. 

These days anyways.

Can&#039;t wait for the next version of,

MAN MY LIFE SUCKS

 or just maybe &#039;how to build your next house of cards&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Hawkins, whom &#8220;ordained&#8221; &#8216;Stephen Hawking&#8217;?</p>
<p>&#8220;Those that think they are wise, surely do not know&#8221;. &#8212;maybe&#8212;</p>
<p>Those that follow, well, they  &#8220;eat the dirt&#8221;. You know of whom you are!.</p>
<p>Those that &#8216;stand with&#8217;, stand outside. </p>
<p>These days anyways.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t wait for the next version of,</p>
<p>MAN MY LIFE SUCKS</p>
<p> or just maybe &#8216;how to build your next house of cards&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41642</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 21:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. –Stephen Hawking

   Jeff what are some examples of the illusion of knowledge?  No pressure</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge. –Stephen Hawking</p>
<p>   Jeff what are some examples of the illusion of knowledge?  No pressure</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41634</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 20:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would not this thing called the &quot;internet&quot; be great, had it not been for radio and television!

&quot;WE&quot; have a communication breakdown. &quot;THEY&quot; know it and are taking full &#039;advantage&#039; of it. No, actually, &quot;THEY&quot; are &quot;CAPITALIZING&quot; on it.

Educating one self  makes for a weaker opponent.

Where is the balance?

Should there be a balance?

Sometimes you just have to except the ugly, ---maybe---

some call me frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would not this thing called the &#8220;internet&#8221; be great, had it not been for radio and television!</p>
<p>&#8220;WE&#8221; have a communication breakdown. &#8220;THEY&#8221; know it and are taking full &#8216;advantage&#8217; of it. No, actually, &#8220;THEY&#8221; are &#8220;CAPITALIZING&#8221; on it.</p>
<p>Educating one self  makes for a weaker opponent.</p>
<p>Where is the balance?</p>
<p>Should there be a balance?</p>
<p>Sometimes you just have to except the ugly, &#8212;maybe&#8212;</p>
<p>some call me frank</p>
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		<title>By: Monkismo</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41632</link>
		<dc:creator>Monkismo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 19:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Willful ignorance is common in part because it allows us to go on giving illegitimate importance to b.s. like March Madness, celebrity gossip, the latest Bluetooth, etc.  

My friends continue to quote from Obama speeches as if they mean something, while they chastise me as a negativist for pointing out actual policy decisions, like the increased military budget.  It makes them feel good to believe words and ignore actions.  

At a certain point, optimism in spite of the facts is no longer useful.  I think we&#039;re near that point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Willful ignorance is common in part because it allows us to go on giving illegitimate importance to b.s. like March Madness, celebrity gossip, the latest Bluetooth, etc.  </p>
<p>My friends continue to quote from Obama speeches as if they mean something, while they chastise me as a negativist for pointing out actual policy decisions, like the increased military budget.  It makes them feel good to believe words and ignore actions.  </p>
<p>At a certain point, optimism in spite of the facts is no longer useful.  I think we&#8217;re near that point.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41600</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 14:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>deadbeat and not deadbe,
you&#039;re right about chomsky. once he said to amers to vote for O; or for lesser evil, i&#039;m not going to read anything he writes.
and adding the fact to his duplicity that he promotes a twostate sol&#039;n wld compel us to boycott him.

as i have often said it wld be a crime if i wld approve of socalled twostate sol&#039;n which means one is rewarding criminals with a state to which they have neither the legal nor moral right.

as we know, it had been  mafioso org&#039;s which legalized the illegality.
League of Nations was largely composed of land robbers; UN slightly less so in &#039;48. tnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>deadbeat and not deadbe,<br />
you&#8217;re right about chomsky. once he said to amers to vote for O; or for lesser evil, i&#8217;m not going to read anything he writes.<br />
and adding the fact to his duplicity that he promotes a twostate sol&#8217;n wld compel us to boycott him.</p>
<p>as i have often said it wld be a crime if i wld approve of socalled twostate sol&#8217;n which means one is rewarding criminals with a state to which they have neither the legal nor moral right.</p>
<p>as we know, it had been  mafioso org&#8217;s which legalized the illegality.<br />
League of Nations was largely composed of land robbers; UN slightly less so in &#8217;48. tnx</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41584</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;The condition we find ourselves in today is a result of what which Chomsky described years ago: self-imposed ignorance.&lt;/i&gt;

Unfortunately Chomsky is guilty of helping to maintain that &quot;ignorance&quot; with his apologetic of U.S. Zionism</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The condition we find ourselves in today is a result of what which Chomsky described years ago: self-imposed ignorance.</i></p>
<p>Unfortunately Chomsky is guilty of helping to maintain that &#8220;ignorance&#8221; with his apologetic of U.S. Zionism</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41573</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 01:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Jeff thank you.  You took the complex and made it simple and that takes gut&#039;s again thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Jeff thank you.  You took the complex and made it simple and that takes gut&#8217;s again thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41571</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2009 00:42:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, no matter what does happen, the snake will return. The snake&#039;s fate will endure any cataclysmic upheaval. This is documented,  education is free should one choose to look for it. 

On the climate change issue, there is not enough arable soil to have 6 billion people return to an agricultural based society of any kind. With natural resources being depleted, this seems the most likely turn of events, whatever the means taken.

The &quot;middle class&quot; has never existed. There has only been during the last 150 years or so an allusion perpetuated at little cost to the perpetrators that any class but one has existed. This rise and fall has been seen during all the &quot;great(sic)&quot; societies we have of history. &quot;We&quot; have used up all our &#039;blood,sweat, and tears&#039; to run along side this allusion. Look what we have paid for it and see what will it will cost &quot;us&quot;. 

Pawns we all are in an elaborate chess game, just like the foot soldiers of then and now. &quot;For King and Country&quot; the cry has been. I always thought you fought for your land. Show me any pawn whom owns any land. Tell me, do any of you actually own land. &quot;For Bankers and The Kings of this World&quot; we must fight for, for only they will allow &quot;us&quot; the illusions of property and freedom.

There is no way of backing out of this one folks. It is full steam ahead. Those that do survive, may the Almighty bless them and hopefully these brave souls will not let the snake enter again. 

Then again, as has been brought up article after article, response after response, we are ignorant. We are also arrogant. One in each hand. What is in the middle of the two? Maybe nothing! Maybe our only road to sanity and salvation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, no matter what does happen, the snake will return. The snake&#8217;s fate will endure any cataclysmic upheaval. This is documented,  education is free should one choose to look for it. </p>
<p>On the climate change issue, there is not enough arable soil to have 6 billion people return to an agricultural based society of any kind. With natural resources being depleted, this seems the most likely turn of events, whatever the means taken.</p>
<p>The &#8220;middle class&#8221; has never existed. There has only been during the last 150 years or so an allusion perpetuated at little cost to the perpetrators that any class but one has existed. This rise and fall has been seen during all the &#8220;great(sic)&#8221; societies we have of history. &#8220;We&#8221; have used up all our &#8216;blood,sweat, and tears&#8217; to run along side this allusion. Look what we have paid for it and see what will it will cost &#8220;us&#8221;. </p>
<p>Pawns we all are in an elaborate chess game, just like the foot soldiers of then and now. &#8220;For King and Country&#8221; the cry has been. I always thought you fought for your land. Show me any pawn whom owns any land. Tell me, do any of you actually own land. &#8220;For Bankers and The Kings of this World&#8221; we must fight for, for only they will allow &#8220;us&#8221; the illusions of property and freedom.</p>
<p>There is no way of backing out of this one folks. It is full steam ahead. Those that do survive, may the Almighty bless them and hopefully these brave souls will not let the snake enter again. </p>
<p>Then again, as has been brought up article after article, response after response, we are ignorant. We are also arrogant. One in each hand. What is in the middle of the two? Maybe nothing! Maybe our only road to sanity and salvation.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41567</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Viewers watch ice breaking apart and falling into the water as the narrator explains how quickly ice is melting and what warming temperatures, disappearing glaciers and rising sea levels could mean. 

“Glaciers everywhere across the Rockies, Indies, Alps and Himalayas are in their death throes,” the narrator says. 
While talking about the film, Alley said ice shows the changes that are occurring better than other things do. “If you pull an ice cube and a rock out of the freezer and put them on a table and watch, you’ll see the ice cube change, but you won’t see the rock change,” he said, even though they’re both getting warmer. 

“If you want to see how things are changing, ice is the easiest place to see it,” Alley said. 

    Tuesday PBS.  Extreme Ice

 “Glaciers everywhere across the Rockies, Indies, Alps and Himalayas are in their death throes,” the narrator says.   

Who needs Glaciers anyway 1.2 billion people in India for one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Viewers watch ice breaking apart and falling into the water as the narrator explains how quickly ice is melting and what warming temperatures, disappearing glaciers and rising sea levels could mean. </p>
<p>“Glaciers everywhere across the Rockies, Indies, Alps and Himalayas are in their death throes,” the narrator says.<br />
While talking about the film, Alley said ice shows the changes that are occurring better than other things do. “If you pull an ice cube and a rock out of the freezer and put them on a table and watch, you’ll see the ice cube change, but you won’t see the rock change,” he said, even though they’re both getting warmer. </p>
<p>“If you want to see how things are changing, ice is the easiest place to see it,” Alley said. </p>
<p>    Tuesday PBS.  Extreme Ice</p>
<p> “Glaciers everywhere across the Rockies, Indies, Alps and Himalayas are in their death throes,” the narrator says.   </p>
<p>Who needs Glaciers anyway 1.2 billion people in India for one.</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41565</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The condition we find ourselves in today is a result of what which Chomsky described years ago:  self-imposed ignorance.  Anyone with half a brain could have seen, with a little, and I mean the merest, thought, the inevitable collapse of the house of cards, built as it was on a foundation of lies.  There were available to us publications and other sources that told the truth:  alternative newspapers; historians (even in a junior college in 1972); economists.  Yet we chose the easier path of believing the lies of politicians, believing mainstream media, believing that we were &quot;middle class&quot;; believing in the utter myth that hard work is the answer and that, with enough of it, we will achieve our dreams.

To attribute all these responses to conditioning is nonsense, though we are subjected to conditioning from cradle to grave.  Such attribution is simply a cop-out, a way of letting oneself off the hook, a way to blame others for the sorry state of affairs.  Conditioning is not that difficult to overcome.  All one needs to do is look around and apply ones reasoning ability to ones surroundings ... and reject the human tendencies at this state of the species evolution (which may be its final state) to respect hierarchy, to look for &quot;leaders&quot; to &quot;save&quot; us.  That latter tendency was so well demonstrated with the last election, one in which candidates representing real change were discarded in favor of those peddling snake oil, as usual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The condition we find ourselves in today is a result of what which Chomsky described years ago:  self-imposed ignorance.  Anyone with half a brain could have seen, with a little, and I mean the merest, thought, the inevitable collapse of the house of cards, built as it was on a foundation of lies.  There were available to us publications and other sources that told the truth:  alternative newspapers; historians (even in a junior college in 1972); economists.  Yet we chose the easier path of believing the lies of politicians, believing mainstream media, believing that we were &#8220;middle class&#8221;; believing in the utter myth that hard work is the answer and that, with enough of it, we will achieve our dreams.</p>
<p>To attribute all these responses to conditioning is nonsense, though we are subjected to conditioning from cradle to grave.  Such attribution is simply a cop-out, a way of letting oneself off the hook, a way to blame others for the sorry state of affairs.  Conditioning is not that difficult to overcome.  All one needs to do is look around and apply ones reasoning ability to ones surroundings &#8230; and reject the human tendencies at this state of the species evolution (which may be its final state) to respect hierarchy, to look for &#8220;leaders&#8221; to &#8220;save&#8221; us.  That latter tendency was so well demonstrated with the last election, one in which candidates representing real change were discarded in favor of those peddling snake oil, as usual.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41564</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:02:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, Mr. Andrews
Your insight as to the desires and conundrums of the masses is obviously far more generous than my own.
As is your understanding of self definition and survival.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, Mr. Andrews<br />
Your insight as to the desires and conundrums of the masses is obviously far more generous than my own.<br />
As is your understanding of self definition and survival.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41562</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 20:04:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Tuesday PBS a must see Extreme Ice.</description>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41549</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 15:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US model of propaganda differs from nazi and communist models.
US propaganda does not demand voiced approval. silence is welcomed. 
dissenters are tolerated.
US model manufactures  evaluators who with fervor approve  of everything US does.  especially, what it does to aliens.
of course, it is easy to tolerate dissent,  when 98% of USans vote for the model of misteachings; its governance, multiple healthcare, jurisprudence systems or tiers, etcetc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US model of propaganda differs from nazi and communist models.<br />
US propaganda does not demand voiced approval. silence is welcomed.<br />
dissenters are tolerated.<br />
US model manufactures  evaluators who with fervor approve  of everything US does.  especially, what it does to aliens.<br />
of course, it is easy to tolerate dissent,  when 98% of USans vote for the model of misteachings; its governance, multiple healthcare, jurisprudence systems or tiers, etcetc.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41547</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporate propaganda let&#039;s just take one example.  Exxon has a commercial running where they have people in one box and you can see them there faces that&#039;s Exxon investors.  Then you have another box with less people and they are blurred.  Clever and pitting one against another you know investors our people and then people who live in trailers and shop at Wal Mart blurred people.  What it should show is both box&#039;s blurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporate propaganda let&#8217;s just take one example.  Exxon has a commercial running where they have people in one box and you can see them there faces that&#8217;s Exxon investors.  Then you have another box with less people and they are blurred.  Clever and pitting one against another you know investors our people and then people who live in trailers and shop at Wal Mart blurred people.  What it should show is both box&#8217;s blurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Dogwood</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41544</link>
		<dc:creator>Dogwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it  this point exactly - ignorance of glaring facts - and, indeed, an almost willful and passionate ignorance - that I have found has been the primary characteristic of those who yell, scream and, yes, ostracize when even an attempt has been made to include Ralph Nader - and the wealth of documented experience, effectiveness, sound judgment, honesty and solid policies for the people&#039;s rights, lives, health, peace and well-being - in serious discussions of voter and candidate choice.

It did not take long to realize that it is actually their own personal ignorance alone that they were so defensive about - unwilling and unable to face the fact that they&#039;d done no serious, independent researching of the &quot;slogans&quot;, &quot;soundbites&quot; and slander against Nader of which they endlessly puppeted as their own trove of &quot;facts&quot;.    Proven again and again, as those of us who had made ourselves knowledgeable  would ask pointed questions about policy, solutions, and easily checkable, documented history were met with blank stares which would quickly erupt into self-conscious rage.  Other more sensitive folks would almost involuntarily look down in embarrassment - or look immediately away - literally in shame - at being confronted with their own willful ignorance over such an important issue as whether or not, as American citizens, they were being wholly swayed and lulled into making a decision so crucial to their own lives - and to the world.

It was telling....and sad.

We can all only hope that this trait of Americans to swallow whole the corporate line of dangerous propaganda - not even recognizing that it is corporate propaganda - will reverse itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it  this point exactly &#8211; ignorance of glaring facts &#8211; and, indeed, an almost willful and passionate ignorance &#8211; that I have found has been the primary characteristic of those who yell, scream and, yes, ostracize when even an attempt has been made to include Ralph Nader &#8211; and the wealth of documented experience, effectiveness, sound judgment, honesty and solid policies for the people&#8217;s rights, lives, health, peace and well-being &#8211; in serious discussions of voter and candidate choice.</p>
<p>It did not take long to realize that it is actually their own personal ignorance alone that they were so defensive about &#8211; unwilling and unable to face the fact that they&#8217;d done no serious, independent researching of the &#8220;slogans&#8221;, &#8220;soundbites&#8221; and slander against Nader of which they endlessly puppeted as their own trove of &#8220;facts&#8221;.    Proven again and again, as those of us who had made ourselves knowledgeable  would ask pointed questions about policy, solutions, and easily checkable, documented history were met with blank stares which would quickly erupt into self-conscious rage.  Other more sensitive folks would almost involuntarily look down in embarrassment &#8211; or look immediately away &#8211; literally in shame &#8211; at being confronted with their own willful ignorance over such an important issue as whether or not, as American citizens, they were being wholly swayed and lulled into making a decision so crucial to their own lives &#8211; and to the world.</p>
<p>It was telling&#8230;.and sad.</p>
<p>We can all only hope that this trait of Americans to swallow whole the corporate line of dangerous propaganda &#8211; not even recognizing that it is corporate propaganda &#8211; will reverse itself.</p>
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		<title>By: AaronG</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41543</link>
		<dc:creator>AaronG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 11:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points raised. However I truly feel that newly elected/appointed leaders like Obama/Gordon Brown/Kevin Rudd have realy learnt the lesson and they will fix all the problems that their evil predecessors have caused on earth.

Yours Truly
World Voter

(PS gotta go now........attention span running out..................)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points raised. However I truly feel that newly elected/appointed leaders like Obama/Gordon Brown/Kevin Rudd have realy learnt the lesson and they will fix all the problems that their evil predecessors have caused on earth.</p>
<p>Yours Truly<br />
World Voter</p>
<p>(PS gotta go now&#8230;&#8230;..attention span running out&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: john andrews</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/a-lesson-to-be-learnt/#comment-41536</link>
		<dc:creator>john andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 07:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kalidas,

I don&#039;t think the majority are particularly &#039;willing&#039; victims - they&#039;re just too busy trying to survive, and have become convinced of their unimportance; which is of course the intention. As Ron Horn points out above, he has the time now to discover the truth only becuase he&#039;s retired. 

The majority is the only real hope for the future. The task is to properly educate them, to help them see that they have real power. All that is required is for the majority to be properly informed and given the tools and the authority to use that information to make their own political decisions; and because most people are good and humane, good and humane decisions will result.

The only force on earth that truly terrifies the US administration are US voters, and it spends vast amounts of its time and money keeping them subdued, subservient and ignorant; it&#039;s not really a question of willingness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kalidas,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think the majority are particularly &#8216;willing&#8217; victims &#8211; they&#8217;re just too busy trying to survive, and have become convinced of their unimportance; which is of course the intention. As Ron Horn points out above, he has the time now to discover the truth only becuase he&#8217;s retired. </p>
<p>The majority is the only real hope for the future. The task is to properly educate them, to help them see that they have real power. All that is required is for the majority to be properly informed and given the tools and the authority to use that information to make their own political decisions; and because most people are good and humane, good and humane decisions will result.</p>
<p>The only force on earth that truly terrifies the US administration are US voters, and it spends vast amounts of its time and money keeping them subdued, subservient and ignorant; it&#8217;s not really a question of willingness.</p>
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