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	<title>Comments on: “World’s Oldest Democracy”: The Myth &amp; The Reality</title>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/%e2%80%9cworld%e2%80%99s-oldest-democracy%e2%80%9d-the-myth-the-reality-2/#comment-41181</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 00:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Bob Dylan lyric reads, &quot;Don&#039;t follow leaders
Watch the parkin&#039; meters.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bob Dylan lyric reads, &#8220;Don&#8217;t follow leaders<br />
Watch the parkin&#8217; meters.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Barry99</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry99</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 22:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about &#039;climaticlysm&#039;?  

I have seen less neutral terms than climate change - and if I could only remember where is saw a very good one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about &#8216;climaticlysm&#8217;?  </p>
<p>I have seen less neutral terms than climate change &#8211; and if I could only remember where is saw a very good one.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:58:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>don, tnx for noticing the statement about assumptions.
some people may  confuse assumptions with facts; i.e., evaluate guesses, beliefs, faith as facts and not for what they are: assumptions.

faith may be classed as theoretical, inferential, etc.,  knowledge. and i do not see how it can be harmful to any degree to any human as long as the fact is kept in mindbody that an inference, conclusion, or premise is not factual knowledge.

once the knowledge,  that the fact is not inference,  gets deeply embedded in one&#039;s bodymind, it never ever goes away; this knowledge is astoundingly beautiful and it is in every cell of one&#039;s  body including the brain.

people who evaluate that &#039;god&#039;  exists have absorbed  this knowledge also in their body and not just the mind; thus, talking to them about this issues is almost useless. 
to illustrate what a fact is or not, we can say that the statements, I&#039; see you tomorow or, Sun will rise again, are not factual statements.  tx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>don, tnx for noticing the statement about assumptions.<br />
some people may  confuse assumptions with facts; i.e., evaluate guesses, beliefs, faith as facts and not for what they are: assumptions.</p>
<p>faith may be classed as theoretical, inferential, etc.,  knowledge. and i do not see how it can be harmful to any degree to any human as long as the fact is kept in mindbody that an inference, conclusion, or premise is not factual knowledge.</p>
<p>once the knowledge,  that the fact is not inference,  gets deeply embedded in one&#8217;s bodymind, it never ever goes away; this knowledge is astoundingly beautiful and it is in every cell of one&#8217;s  body including the brain.</p>
<p>people who evaluate that &#8216;god&#8217;  exists have absorbed  this knowledge also in their body and not just the mind; thus, talking to them about this issues is almost useless.<br />
to illustrate what a fact is or not, we can say that the statements, I&#8217; see you tomorow or, Sun will rise again, are not factual statements.  tx</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/%e2%80%9cworld%e2%80%99s-oldest-democracy%e2%80%9d-the-myth-the-reality-2/#comment-41167</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 19:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to Change &quot;Climate Change&quot;    

What&#039;s clear from Copenhagen is that policymakers have fallen behind the scientists: global warming is already catastrophic. 
    
The more we know, the grimmer it gets. 
    Presentations by climate scientists at this week&#039;s conference in Copenhagen show that we might have underplayed the impacts of global warming in three important respects: 
    • Partly because the estimates by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) took no account of meltwater from Greenland&#039;s glaciers, the rise in sea levels this century could be twice or three times as great as it forecast, with grave implications for coastal cities, farmland and freshwater reserves. 
    • Two degrees of warming in the Arctic (which is heating up much more quickly than the rest of the planet) could trigger a massive bacterial response in the soils there. As the permafrost melts, bacteria are able to start breaking down organic material that was previously locked up in ice, producing billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide and methane. This could catalyse one of the world&#039;s most powerful positive feedback loops: warming causing more warming. 
    • Four degrees of warming could almost eliminate the Amazon rainforests, with appalling implications for biodiversity and regional weather patterns, and with the result that a massive new pulse of carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere. Trees are basically sticks of wet carbon. As they rot or burn, the carbon oxidises. This is another way in which climate feedbacks appear to have been underestimated in the last IPCC report. 
    Apart from the sheer animal panic I felt on reading these reports, two things jumped out at me. The first is that governments are relying on IPCC assessments that are years out of date even before they are published, as a result of the IPCC&#039;s extremely careful and laborious review and consensus process. This lends its reports great scientific weight, but it also means that the politicians using them as a guide to the cuts in greenhouse gases required are always well behind the curve. There is surely a strong case for the IPCC to publish interim reports every year, consisting of a summary of the latest science and its implications for global policy. 
    The second is that we have to stop calling it climate change. Using &quot;climate change&quot; to describe events like this, with their devastating implications for global food security, water supplies and human settlements, is like describing a foreign invasion as an unexpected visit, or bombs as unwanted deliveries. It&#039;s a ridiculously neutral term for the biggest potential catastrophe humankind has ever encountered. 
    I think we should call it &quot;climate breakdown.&quot; Does anyone out there have a better idea?  George Monbiot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to Change &#8220;Climate Change&#8221;    </p>
<p>What&#8217;s clear from Copenhagen is that policymakers have fallen behind the scientists: global warming is already catastrophic. </p>
<p>The more we know, the grimmer it gets.<br />
    Presentations by climate scientists at this week&#8217;s conference in Copenhagen show that we might have underplayed the impacts of global warming in three important respects:<br />
    • Partly because the estimates by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) took no account of meltwater from Greenland&#8217;s glaciers, the rise in sea levels this century could be twice or three times as great as it forecast, with grave implications for coastal cities, farmland and freshwater reserves.<br />
    • Two degrees of warming in the Arctic (which is heating up much more quickly than the rest of the planet) could trigger a massive bacterial response in the soils there. As the permafrost melts, bacteria are able to start breaking down organic material that was previously locked up in ice, producing billions of tonnes of carbon dioxide and methane. This could catalyse one of the world&#8217;s most powerful positive feedback loops: warming causing more warming.<br />
    • Four degrees of warming could almost eliminate the Amazon rainforests, with appalling implications for biodiversity and regional weather patterns, and with the result that a massive new pulse of carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere. Trees are basically sticks of wet carbon. As they rot or burn, the carbon oxidises. This is another way in which climate feedbacks appear to have been underestimated in the last IPCC report.<br />
    Apart from the sheer animal panic I felt on reading these reports, two things jumped out at me. The first is that governments are relying on IPCC assessments that are years out of date even before they are published, as a result of the IPCC&#8217;s extremely careful and laborious review and consensus process. This lends its reports great scientific weight, but it also means that the politicians using them as a guide to the cuts in greenhouse gases required are always well behind the curve. There is surely a strong case for the IPCC to publish interim reports every year, consisting of a summary of the latest science and its implications for global policy.<br />
    The second is that we have to stop calling it climate change. Using &#8220;climate change&#8221; to describe events like this, with their devastating implications for global food security, water supplies and human settlements, is like describing a foreign invasion as an unexpected visit, or bombs as unwanted deliveries. It&#8217;s a ridiculously neutral term for the biggest potential catastrophe humankind has ever encountered.<br />
    I think we should call it &#8220;climate breakdown.&#8221; Does anyone out there have a better idea?  George Monbiot</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Mar 2009 18:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great history lesson.  Just for the heck of it what are the chances of a new way of thinking?  We are at the crossroads and without a new way of thinking there will be history in the short term in very basic terms.   &quot;First one assumes then tries forever to prove that the assumption is forever valid&quot;  That was very good Bozh.  To continue to prove that the assumption is forever valid in just the next few years will take us all back in time, history.  Deep into the rabbit hole.  That was a figure of speech.  This is no longer climate change but a climate breakdown thanks George Monbiot.  It is well under way and to late to stop some of the changes, destruction.  For me now one consideration is to just see the nut cases I see on TV and policy makers come out of dreamland.  To watch these people anymore is painful to say the least and yet many still go blindly where many have gone before.  Yes to go blindly where many have gone before.  There are a few who are trying there best to get that new way of thinking started and there are many who assumes then tries forever to prove that the assumption is forever valid.  

 
One can imagine that God created the universe at literally any time in the past. On the other hand, if the universe is expanding, there may be physical reasons why there had to be a beginning. One could imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big bang, or even afterwards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big bang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big bang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job! [Stephen Hawking}, A Brief History of Time
  
     To go blindly where many have gone before and to assume then try forever to prove that the assumption is forever valid seems so meaningless but very sure some will try.  &quot;It&#039;s 117 degrees in the shade here in New York City&quot;,  &quot;don&#039;t worry listen to your leaders and watch your parking meters&quot;.  Thank you Dylan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great history lesson.  Just for the heck of it what are the chances of a new way of thinking?  We are at the crossroads and without a new way of thinking there will be history in the short term in very basic terms.   &#8220;First one assumes then tries forever to prove that the assumption is forever valid&#8221;  That was very good Bozh.  To continue to prove that the assumption is forever valid in just the next few years will take us all back in time, history.  Deep into the rabbit hole.  That was a figure of speech.  This is no longer climate change but a climate breakdown thanks George Monbiot.  It is well under way and to late to stop some of the changes, destruction.  For me now one consideration is to just see the nut cases I see on TV and policy makers come out of dreamland.  To watch these people anymore is painful to say the least and yet many still go blindly where many have gone before.  Yes to go blindly where many have gone before.  There are a few who are trying there best to get that new way of thinking started and there are many who assumes then tries forever to prove that the assumption is forever valid.  </p>
<p>One can imagine that God created the universe at literally any time in the past. On the other hand, if the universe is expanding, there may be physical reasons why there had to be a beginning. One could imagine that God created the universe at the instant of the big bang, or even afterwards in just such a way as to make it look as though there had been a big bang, but it would be meaningless to suppose that it was created before the big bang. An expanding universe does not preclude a creator, but it does place limits on when he might have carried out his job! [Stephen Hawking}, A Brief History of Time</p>
<p>     To go blindly where many have gone before and to assume then try forever to prove that the assumption is forever valid seems so meaningless but very sure some will try.  &#8220;It&#8217;s 117 degrees in the shade here in New York City&#8221;,  &#8220;don&#8217;t worry listen to your leaders and watch your parking meters&#8221;.  Thank you Dylan.</p>
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