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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/%e2%80%98left%e2%80%99-obamites-prefer-kool-aid-to-struggle/#comment-41060</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s not entirely true Joe,

The New Deal was made to save capitalism from the masses

Post WWII Americans were all for socialism (whatever name you give it)

Kennedy and company narrowly avoided a takeover of the DC airport which would have sparked mass death and resistance.

There&#039;s plenty history that gets misrepresented or intentionally forgotten for us</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s not entirely true Joe,</p>
<p>The New Deal was made to save capitalism from the masses</p>
<p>Post WWII Americans were all for socialism (whatever name you give it)</p>
<p>Kennedy and company narrowly avoided a takeover of the DC airport which would have sparked mass death and resistance.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty history that gets misrepresented or intentionally forgotten for us</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/%e2%80%98left%e2%80%99-obamites-prefer-kool-aid-to-struggle/#comment-41059</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Mar 2009 03:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though I voted for Obama, I never assumed he would be an example of the &quot;Left in Power&quot;.  His purpose is to protect powerful Capitalists and their (imperialist) interests, as would be the purpose of any American president of capitalism.  Zizek has suggested that &quot;resistance is surrender&quot;.  Making demands of or resisting capitalist power is a surrender to capitalist power, because the rules of the capitalist power game are never overthrown.  For the Left to waste time making demands of Obama&#039;s power forgets that Obama can never truly champion the projects of the Left since he is the defender of capitalism.  Nevertheless, Obama does indeed symbolize at least one victory of the Civil Rights Movement, and therefore a victory for the struggles of my ancestors.  But to criticize him for not demolishing or counteracting capitalist power, and the imperialism it depends on, seems silly.  There has never been a movement to overthrow capitalism supported by the majority of Americans; this majority is a prerequisite to capitalism&#039;s defeat.  Most Americans, unfortunately, still believe in capitalism, and Obama&#039;s presidency only serves to preserve that belief.  Most Americans still worship and imitate the Rich; we can&#039;t expect Obama, who was hired by the Rich, to disparage, even if he moderately criticizes, his employers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though I voted for Obama, I never assumed he would be an example of the &#8220;Left in Power&#8221;.  His purpose is to protect powerful Capitalists and their (imperialist) interests, as would be the purpose of any American president of capitalism.  Zizek has suggested that &#8220;resistance is surrender&#8221;.  Making demands of or resisting capitalist power is a surrender to capitalist power, because the rules of the capitalist power game are never overthrown.  For the Left to waste time making demands of Obama&#8217;s power forgets that Obama can never truly champion the projects of the Left since he is the defender of capitalism.  Nevertheless, Obama does indeed symbolize at least one victory of the Civil Rights Movement, and therefore a victory for the struggles of my ancestors.  But to criticize him for not demolishing or counteracting capitalist power, and the imperialism it depends on, seems silly.  There has never been a movement to overthrow capitalism supported by the majority of Americans; this majority is a prerequisite to capitalism&#8217;s defeat.  Most Americans, unfortunately, still believe in capitalism, and Obama&#8217;s presidency only serves to preserve that belief.  Most Americans still worship and imitate the Rich; we can&#8217;t expect Obama, who was hired by the Rich, to disparage, even if he moderately criticizes, his employers.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Chavizta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Chavizta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 02:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WHAT USA NEEDS IS A UNITED SOCIALIST PARTY COMPOSED OF BACKED BY US WORKERS, AND SMALL AND MEDIUM-BUSINESS OWNERS  !!

Most americans think that everybody who owns a small business is an evil capitalist, and even some dogmatic-marxists think that all US citizens are capitalists and part of the capitalist class. (Wrong). The enemy as Marx and Lenin put it are those in the upper classes, the Giant corporations large stock owners. Small business owners like pizza restaurants, barber shops, bakeries, health food stores, gas stations, are victims of capitalism

the thing is that US media tries to divide small business owners against workers, and workers against each other so that the whole country is divided and unable to overthrow the real capitalists

and then there are anarchists, and libertarians in USA who don&#039;t take part in political activism, i think that utopian ideologies like anarchism are also tools of disinformation and confusion used by Rothchilds and real capitalists to prevent in USA a real united left movement backed by the US workers, and the nationalist-bourgeoise sectors (Small business owners, like barber shops, gas stations, family owned restaurants, and even supermarkets, not aligned to Wal Mart and Mega-stores), etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHAT USA NEEDS IS A UNITED SOCIALIST PARTY COMPOSED OF BACKED BY US WORKERS, AND SMALL AND MEDIUM-BUSINESS OWNERS  !!</p>
<p>Most americans think that everybody who owns a small business is an evil capitalist, and even some dogmatic-marxists think that all US citizens are capitalists and part of the capitalist class. (Wrong). The enemy as Marx and Lenin put it are those in the upper classes, the Giant corporations large stock owners. Small business owners like pizza restaurants, barber shops, bakeries, health food stores, gas stations, are victims of capitalism</p>
<p>the thing is that US media tries to divide small business owners against workers, and workers against each other so that the whole country is divided and unable to overthrow the real capitalists</p>
<p>and then there are anarchists, and libertarians in USA who don&#8217;t take part in political activism, i think that utopian ideologies like anarchism are also tools of disinformation and confusion used by Rothchilds and real capitalists to prevent in USA a real united left movement backed by the US workers, and the nationalist-bourgeoise sectors (Small business owners, like barber shops, gas stations, family owned restaurants, and even supermarkets, not aligned to Wal Mart and Mega-stores), etc.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
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		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:33:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, like father like son.. (whether you know him or not?)

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=10329</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, like father like son.. (whether you know him or not?)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=10329" rel="nofollow">http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=10329</a></p>
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		<title>By: danE</title>
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		<dc:creator>danE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herewith a cpl links to some on-topic pieces from today&#039;s I-news: 
Howard Zinn: Obama &quot;Is Going to Need Demonstrations and Protest and Letters and Petitions&quot; to Do the Right Things
By Liliana Segura, AlterNet
Posted on March 12, 2009, Printed on March 12, 2009
http://www.alternet.org/story/130949/

Ms Segura prefaced Zinn with a report about the event where the interview took place, quoting ILWU Local 10&#039;s Clarence Thomas reciting from Langston Hughes&#039;  &quot;The Ballad of Roosevelt&quot;: 
&quot;I am tired of waiting on Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Roosevelt. Damned tired of waiting on Roosevelt. And a lot of other folks was hungry and cold, done stopped believing what they had been told by Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Roosevelt. Because the pot is still empty and the cupboard is still bare and you cannot build a bungalow out of air.&quot;


http://www.ziopedia.org/articles/editorial/charles_freeman_and_the_art_of_shadow_boxing/print/
&quot;Western democracism– especially in its most perverted form, the Anglo-Saxon two-party system – always reminds me of American style ‘World Wrestling’, a choreographed pretend fight with pre-determined outcomes where all ‘competitors’ are employed by the same organisation. No matter who wins the ‘smack down’, the World Wrestling Federation always ends up with a profit.&quot;

Land of Oz: this highly informative Aussie Winkler so far seems to me best characterized as a character,  shows some terminally &quot;poor judgment&quot; incl. link to David Duke (!) but other times shows remarkable insight.  this piece at best provides some useable ammunition, at worst considerable amusement.

Props to Max Shields, found your comments right on. As penance for earlier unfortunate misperceptions, let me offer for general amusement the fact that I bought into the Rainbow Coalition rap so hard back in 84 I found myself walking precincts for Doo-kakas. Was stupid enough to buy the koolaid again in 88 doing GOTV for (ugh) Mondale. Took the aborted Rainbow Founding Convention of March 89 (now there&#039;s a funny story) to convince me my instincts had been better than my tortured logic. 
March 1989: was that really twenty years ago? Really gives me a sense of my own obsolescence. Scuse me while I go rust:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herewith a cpl links to some on-topic pieces from today&#8217;s I-news:<br />
Howard Zinn: Obama &#8220;Is Going to Need Demonstrations and Protest and Letters and Petitions&#8221; to Do the Right Things<br />
By Liliana Segura, AlterNet<br />
Posted on March 12, 2009, Printed on March 12, 2009<br />
<a href="http://www.alternet.org/story/130949/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alternet.org/story/130949/</a></p>
<p>Ms Segura prefaced Zinn with a report about the event where the interview took place, quoting ILWU Local 10&#8242;s Clarence Thomas reciting from Langston Hughes&#8217;  &#8220;The Ballad of Roosevelt&#8221;:<br />
&#8220;I am tired of waiting on Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Roosevelt. Damned tired of waiting on Roosevelt. And a lot of other folks was hungry and cold, done stopped believing what they had been told by Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Roosevelt. Because the pot is still empty and the cupboard is still bare and you cannot build a bungalow out of air.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.ziopedia.org/articles/editorial/charles_freeman_and_the_art_of_shadow_boxing/print/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ziopedia.org/articles/editorial/charles_freeman_and_the_art_of_shadow_boxing/print/</a><br />
&#8220;Western democracism– especially in its most perverted form, the Anglo-Saxon two-party system – always reminds me of American style ‘World Wrestling’, a choreographed pretend fight with pre-determined outcomes where all ‘competitors’ are employed by the same organisation. No matter who wins the ‘smack down’, the World Wrestling Federation always ends up with a profit.&#8221;</p>
<p>Land of Oz: this highly informative Aussie Winkler so far seems to me best characterized as a character,  shows some terminally &#8220;poor judgment&#8221; incl. link to David Duke (!) but other times shows remarkable insight.  this piece at best provides some useable ammunition, at worst considerable amusement.</p>
<p>Props to Max Shields, found your comments right on. As penance for earlier unfortunate misperceptions, let me offer for general amusement the fact that I bought into the Rainbow Coalition rap so hard back in 84 I found myself walking precincts for Doo-kakas. Was stupid enough to buy the koolaid again in 88 doing GOTV for (ugh) Mondale. Took the aborted Rainbow Founding Convention of March 89 (now there&#8217;s a funny story) to convince me my instincts had been better than my tortured logic.<br />
March 1989: was that really twenty years ago? Really gives me a sense of my own obsolescence. Scuse me while I go rust:)</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Chavizta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Chavizta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 21:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>POLITICAL SCIENCE 101: 

THERE ARE 2 TYPES OF CAPITALISTS: OLIGARCHIC CAPITALISTS + NATIONALIST-BOURGEOISE CAPITALISTS (SMALL AND MEDIUM BUSINESSES). 

THE EVIL CAPITALISTS ARE THE OLIGARCHIC GIANT CORPORATIONS !!

WHAT USA NEEDS IS A UNITED LEFT PARTY COMPOSED OF WORKERS AND SMALL CAPITALISTS WHICH WOULD HAVE AS THE MAIN ENEMY THE GIANT CORPORATIONS (THE EVIL CAPITALISTS)

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POLITICAL SCIENCE 101: </p>
<p>THERE ARE 2 TYPES OF CAPITALISTS: OLIGARCHIC CAPITALISTS + NATIONALIST-BOURGEOISE CAPITALISTS (SMALL AND MEDIUM BUSINESSES). </p>
<p>THE EVIL CAPITALISTS ARE THE OLIGARCHIC GIANT CORPORATIONS !!</p>
<p>WHAT USA NEEDS IS A UNITED LEFT PARTY COMPOSED OF WORKERS AND SMALL CAPITALISTS WHICH WOULD HAVE AS THE MAIN ENEMY THE GIANT CORPORATIONS (THE EVIL CAPITALISTS)</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Chavizta</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/%e2%80%98left%e2%80%99-obamites-prefer-kool-aid-to-struggle/#comment-40852</link>
		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Chavizta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People in USA don&#039;t know what socialism is, and that&#039;s why they follow Obama.  For Obama to be a real electoralist-socialist, he would have to reform the US constitution, the economy, and the apparatus of the US government.  This would include a nationalization program of most giant corporations, and a regulation of the smaller nationalist bourgeoise corporations which would remain privately owned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People in USA don&#8217;t know what socialism is, and that&#8217;s why they follow Obama.  For Obama to be a real electoralist-socialist, he would have to reform the US constitution, the economy, and the apparatus of the US government.  This would include a nationalization program of most giant corporations, and a regulation of the smaller nationalist bourgeoise corporations which would remain privately owned.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A well needed blow at the pseudo Left and assorted opportunists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A well needed blow at the pseudo Left and assorted opportunists.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 12:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oemissions, what you described is called meaningless &quot;appeasement&quot;.

Ups the drone and killing Afghanistan it allows stem cell research. This is his mo. Watch it. Holds the violin with his left hand and plays with his right. This is Dem finesse over Repub in your face - still the same net results only the &quot;left&quot; as DB says is appeased, shut up/down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oemissions, what you described is called meaningless &#8220;appeasement&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ups the drone and killing Afghanistan it allows stem cell research. This is his mo. Watch it. Holds the violin with his left hand and plays with his right. This is Dem finesse over Repub in your face &#8211; still the same net results only the &#8220;left&#8221; as DB says is appeased, shut up/down.</p>
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		<title>By: Oemissions</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oemissions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 08:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Atleast feedback from the socalled &quot;left&quot; and dissident left is welcomed, even tho&#039; much of it is &quot;after the fact&quot; rather than before the decisions are made.
An example of this would be the appointment of Vilsack for agriculture.
The organic movement organized before this with other recommendations, and after the announcement of Vilsack, the protest was immense. So , Obama responded with a second in command appointee who was an approved appointee by the organic organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atleast feedback from the socalled &#8220;left&#8221; and dissident left is welcomed, even tho&#8217; much of it is &#8220;after the fact&#8221; rather than before the decisions are made.<br />
An example of this would be the appointment of Vilsack for agriculture.<br />
The organic movement organized before this with other recommendations, and after the announcement of Vilsack, the protest was immense. So , Obama responded with a second in command appointee who was an approved appointee by the organic organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course Duncan and Obama believe this regarding education because their mandate is to breed children for the workforce so that America can remain &quot;competitive&quot;.  I agree with Ford&#039;s general critique of &quot;Left-winger&quot; who are in the Obama camp but as usual Ford forget&#039;s that he was in the camp of the Democrats in 2004.  The problem as it still stand is that the Left offers NO coherent alternatives especially to mainstream African American voters and people of color in general.

The Left split it ranks in 2008 with both Nader and McKinney running on different slates.  Even Ford referred to the Democrat, Dennis Kucinich as the &quot;Black&quot; candidate.  So with the Left being all over the map and having no solidarity there is a huge void on the Left that leave the only &quot;rational&quot; choice being the Democratic candidate.  

Until the Left can reach some sort of consensus and build solidarity with people of color, Obama will have no problem getting the Black vote in 2012.  There is much work to be done on the Left.  As we have seen Obama economic strategy will fail miserably and perhaps that may radicalize a few folks to seek some real change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course Duncan and Obama believe this regarding education because their mandate is to breed children for the workforce so that America can remain &#8220;competitive&#8221;.  I agree with Ford&#8217;s general critique of &#8220;Left-winger&#8221; who are in the Obama camp but as usual Ford forget&#8217;s that he was in the camp of the Democrats in 2004.  The problem as it still stand is that the Left offers NO coherent alternatives especially to mainstream African American voters and people of color in general.</p>
<p>The Left split it ranks in 2008 with both Nader and McKinney running on different slates.  Even Ford referred to the Democrat, Dennis Kucinich as the &#8220;Black&#8221; candidate.  So with the Left being all over the map and having no solidarity there is a huge void on the Left that leave the only &#8220;rational&#8221; choice being the Democratic candidate.  </p>
<p>Until the Left can reach some sort of consensus and build solidarity with people of color, Obama will have no problem getting the Black vote in 2012.  There is much work to be done on the Left.  As we have seen Obama economic strategy will fail miserably and perhaps that may radicalize a few folks to seek some real change.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just listening to Duncan. Instead of building community, he wants children to spend all their time in school buildings rather than connecting with their communities. That&#039;s what he says comes down to.

Today, a child&#039;s day begins around 6:30 am with a yellow bus ride to a brick building where they are housed until about 2:30 pm. Then they hop on the yellow bus and are &quot;dumped&quot; off at their home where there may or may not be anyone home. They go in and play video games or watch tv. And it&#039;s repeated until the weekend.

The point isn&#039;t simply that the children come home to an empty house and play inside by themselves. Little outside activity. NO connection with the community, with the neighborhood. No real contact with people of different ages.

So, Duncan&#039;s answer - use the school as the main community center. No particular connection with day to day community life, it will all go on within a artificial ediface. The school is the place to keep children for not just 5 days but 7 days. Schools are assets which should be fully utilized, but not simply as a means to keep children. The key is to get children interacting in the world, connecting with the neighborhood/community. 

I&#039;d suggest Duncan contact ABCD Institute in Chicago to get a better understanding of how children can play a major role in the community, not as passive &quot;learners&quot; but as community builders.

Children don&#039;t play outside, with other children (I&#039;m generalizing, but the decline of outside activity, kids with kids, has diminished in cities to the point of almost non-existence). Does Duncan care? Or does he think we can engineer human development through immersion into the school system. Arse backwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just listening to Duncan. Instead of building community, he wants children to spend all their time in school buildings rather than connecting with their communities. That&#8217;s what he says comes down to.</p>
<p>Today, a child&#8217;s day begins around 6:30 am with a yellow bus ride to a brick building where they are housed until about 2:30 pm. Then they hop on the yellow bus and are &#8220;dumped&#8221; off at their home where there may or may not be anyone home. They go in and play video games or watch tv. And it&#8217;s repeated until the weekend.</p>
<p>The point isn&#8217;t simply that the children come home to an empty house and play inside by themselves. Little outside activity. NO connection with the community, with the neighborhood. No real contact with people of different ages.</p>
<p>So, Duncan&#8217;s answer &#8211; use the school as the main community center. No particular connection with day to day community life, it will all go on within a artificial ediface. The school is the place to keep children for not just 5 days but 7 days. Schools are assets which should be fully utilized, but not simply as a means to keep children. The key is to get children interacting in the world, connecting with the neighborhood/community. </p>
<p>I&#8217;d suggest Duncan contact ABCD Institute in Chicago to get a better understanding of how children can play a major role in the community, not as passive &#8220;learners&#8221; but as community builders.</p>
<p>Children don&#8217;t play outside, with other children (I&#8217;m generalizing, but the decline of outside activity, kids with kids, has diminished in cities to the point of almost non-existence). Does Duncan care? Or does he think we can engineer human development through immersion into the school system. Arse backwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 02:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, yea, &quot;charter&quot; schools?! Now that&#039;s innovative change you can believe in(?). And what is it about &quot;charter&quot; schools that makes them so great we should jump to them? The results are mixed at best. 

What Burnham doesn&#039;t get is that many of those who think Obama is a cheap pol. saw saw it way before Nov. 4. Obama is and has been what he is a pol.

Look his &quot;followers&quot; think he was for &quot;single payer health care&quot;. What speech were they fu)cking listening to? The ONE he gave in 2003? Or the hundreds on the same ol privatized health care program he was offering on the campaign stump since 2007? And these are the people who are somewhat willing to admit this guy&#039;s a lier.

His &quot;anti-war&quot; speech that these dupes voted for was sometime in 2003 when he was a State Senator. But they kept on HOPING.

Now he&#039;s in and he&#039;s cheaper and as corporate as you can be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, yea, &#8220;charter&#8221; schools?! Now that&#8217;s innovative change you can believe in(?). And what is it about &#8220;charter&#8221; schools that makes them so great we should jump to them? The results are mixed at best. </p>
<p>What Burnham doesn&#8217;t get is that many of those who think Obama is a cheap pol. saw saw it way before Nov. 4. Obama is and has been what he is a pol.</p>
<p>Look his &#8220;followers&#8221; think he was for &#8220;single payer health care&#8221;. What speech were they fu)cking listening to? The ONE he gave in 2003? Or the hundreds on the same ol privatized health care program he was offering on the campaign stump since 2007? And these are the people who are somewhat willing to admit this guy&#8217;s a lier.</p>
<p>His &#8220;anti-war&#8221; speech that these dupes voted for was sometime in 2003 when he was a State Senator. But they kept on HOPING.</p>
<p>Now he&#8217;s in and he&#8217;s cheaper and as corporate as you can be.</p>
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		<title>By: danE</title>
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		<dc:creator>danE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 01:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen -- May I extend my effusive thanks and congratulations for this superb and superbly well-focussed response to Ms Burnham&#039;s unfortunate but superbly crafted propaganda piece. 
 
Since your post contains both sides of a, if not &quot;the&quot; key debates between people claiming to be &quot;on the left&quot;, claiming to advocate for the interests of those subordinated by Capitalism, Imperialism, Racism etc, I&#039;m a little surprised how few of DV&#039;s resident Troll corps have chosen to weigh in. Surely the Green Party(s) must have a position on Ms Burnham&#039;s arguments? That a GP DVer could post a link to, if unable to say anything new themselves? 
Which very nearly describes my own predicament, but I did spot one point Glen left out, which to me would be pretty funny if it wasn&#039;t so sad:  
&quot;For the anti-capitalist left that is grounded in Trotskyism, anarcho-horizontalism, or various forms of third-party-as-a-point-of-principleism, the only change worthy of the name is change that hits directly at the kneecaps of capitalism and cripples it decisively. All else is trifling with minor reforms or, even worse, capitulating to the power elite.&quot;
I wonder how many reading this would suspect that Ms Burnham was for many years a senior member of the Maoist &quot;Line of March&quot; (aka &quot;Frontline&quot;) organization. LOM for many years held the &quot;George Habash&quot; franchise in the US, and was seen by many ( including myself at the time) as the leading pro-Palestine/anti-Zionist formation in the US, having played the key role in organizing the Nov. 29 Coalition to mobilize opposition to the 1982 IOF invasion of Lebanon. 

Line of March was an outfront Marxist-Leninist  outfit, run on Democratic Centralist lines by former National Guardian editor Irwin Silber with the assistance of Max Elbaum. LOM was at pains to let you know of their opposition to &quot;reformism&quot;, which they equated with &quot;revisionism&quot; as displayed by the CPUSA &amp; the CPSU of that time, before Bukharin was &quot;rehabilitated&quot; etc. So it&#039;s ironic to read her skillful pleading on behalf of a position totally opposite to what she supported earlier. 
Oh well. What a shame. I had the pleasure of meeting the charming Ms B f2f on a cpl of occasions, and was totally impressed. Really bums me out to see her turn out like this. Alas, most of  my onetime LOM associates have gone the same way: down the Demock rat-hole. So take heed: beware of  More Radical Than Thou college graduates with rich relatives. 
BTW: Rereading her piece for the quote, I spotted several really unsound arguments Glen didn&#039;t cover. I have to get offline now, but I hope when I come back tomorrow I&#039;ll find some additional Comments dissecting same?
Thanks again, Glen:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen &#8212; May I extend my effusive thanks and congratulations for this superb and superbly well-focussed response to Ms Burnham&#8217;s unfortunate but superbly crafted propaganda piece. </p>
<p>Since your post contains both sides of a, if not &#8220;the&#8221; key debates between people claiming to be &#8220;on the left&#8221;, claiming to advocate for the interests of those subordinated by Capitalism, Imperialism, Racism etc, I&#8217;m a little surprised how few of DV&#8217;s resident Troll corps have chosen to weigh in. Surely the Green Party(s) must have a position on Ms Burnham&#8217;s arguments? That a GP DVer could post a link to, if unable to say anything new themselves?<br />
Which very nearly describes my own predicament, but I did spot one point Glen left out, which to me would be pretty funny if it wasn&#8217;t so sad:<br />
&#8220;For the anti-capitalist left that is grounded in Trotskyism, anarcho-horizontalism, or various forms of third-party-as-a-point-of-principleism, the only change worthy of the name is change that hits directly at the kneecaps of capitalism and cripples it decisively. All else is trifling with minor reforms or, even worse, capitulating to the power elite.&#8221;<br />
I wonder how many reading this would suspect that Ms Burnham was for many years a senior member of the Maoist &#8220;Line of March&#8221; (aka &#8220;Frontline&#8221;) organization. LOM for many years held the &#8220;George Habash&#8221; franchise in the US, and was seen by many ( including myself at the time) as the leading pro-Palestine/anti-Zionist formation in the US, having played the key role in organizing the Nov. 29 Coalition to mobilize opposition to the 1982 IOF invasion of Lebanon. </p>
<p>Line of March was an outfront Marxist-Leninist  outfit, run on Democratic Centralist lines by former National Guardian editor Irwin Silber with the assistance of Max Elbaum. LOM was at pains to let you know of their opposition to &#8220;reformism&#8221;, which they equated with &#8220;revisionism&#8221; as displayed by the CPUSA &amp; the CPSU of that time, before Bukharin was &#8220;rehabilitated&#8221; etc. So it&#8217;s ironic to read her skillful pleading on behalf of a position totally opposite to what she supported earlier.<br />
Oh well. What a shame. I had the pleasure of meeting the charming Ms B f2f on a cpl of occasions, and was totally impressed. Really bums me out to see her turn out like this. Alas, most of  my onetime LOM associates have gone the same way: down the Demock rat-hole. So take heed: beware of  More Radical Than Thou college graduates with rich relatives.<br />
BTW: Rereading her piece for the quote, I spotted several really unsound arguments Glen didn&#8217;t cover. I have to get offline now, but I hope when I come back tomorrow I&#8217;ll find some additional Comments dissecting same?<br />
Thanks again, Glen:)</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 23:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget Obama&#039;s absurd appointment of Arne Duncan to run the Ed. Dept.   The guy couldn&#039;t even run one school district.

No training in education, he&#039;s Obama&#039;s Michael Brown appointment.

Now he&#039;s got billions of dollars to hand out to those schools which adopt his antiquated notions of reform: more conceptually flawed standardized testing, divisive, proven failure merit pay schemes, and pedagogically wreckless pay for grade bribery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget Obama&#8217;s absurd appointment of Arne Duncan to run the Ed. Dept.   The guy couldn&#8217;t even run one school district.</p>
<p>No training in education, he&#8217;s Obama&#8217;s Michael Brown appointment.</p>
<p>Now he&#8217;s got billions of dollars to hand out to those schools which adopt his antiquated notions of reform: more conceptually flawed standardized testing, divisive, proven failure merit pay schemes, and pedagogically wreckless pay for grade bribery.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Silver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A timely blow against the pseudo Left opportunistic politics</description>
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		<title>By: Dave Silver</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/03/%e2%80%98left%e2%80%99-obamites-prefer-kool-aid-to-struggle/#comment-40717</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave Silver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bravo  Glen
A mighty blow at the pseudo-Left  and other opportunists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bravo  Glen<br />
A mighty blow at the pseudo-Left  and other opportunists.</p>
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		<title>By: Dogwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dogwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I find all the Obamites I know firmly grounded in &quot;hopes&quot;, &quot;dreams&quot; and &quot;potential&quot;. - but, facts, they, to a person, keep well clear of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I find all the Obamites I know firmly grounded in &#8220;hopes&#8221;, &#8220;dreams&#8221; and &#8220;potential&#8221;. &#8211; but, facts, they, to a person, keep well clear of.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:52:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one cannot obtain an elucidation about some peoples&#039; plans/proposals by solely pidgeonholing the in Left or Right.
but if one wld alight on descriptive level and reveal what the Left&#039;s plans are, we might learn s&#039;mthing.

so, whenever i see the word &quot;left&quot; i skip at least a whole paragraph.  i am averse to dwell on what the Center, Right, and Left means in US.
especially in view what the three groups approbate iraq, afgh&#039;n, and pal&#039;n wars.
 all i have to remember is that 98% of USans have approved of the three wars and rejected free high schooling and health care.tx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one cannot obtain an elucidation about some peoples&#8217; plans/proposals by solely pidgeonholing the in Left or Right.<br />
but if one wld alight on descriptive level and reveal what the Left&#8217;s plans are, we might learn s&#8217;mthing.</p>
<p>so, whenever i see the word &#8220;left&#8221; i skip at least a whole paragraph.  i am averse to dwell on what the Center, Right, and Left means in US.<br />
especially in view what the three groups approbate iraq, afgh&#8217;n, and pal&#8217;n wars.<br />
 all i have to remember is that 98% of USans have approved of the three wars and rejected free high schooling and health care.tx</p>
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