Comments on: Worse Than Madoff: Amway Launches Domestic Revival

By: demonskull7

demonskull7 — Tue, 01 Sep 2009 04:29:32 +0000

in the early 1990,s i used to work with a guy that tried to sell me the so-called amway dream.he showed me the kit he bought to become an ibo,he told me the kit and the sign up fees would be close to 200 dollars or more!! he then showed me a product catalog,the prices were rediculous!!i asked him why would i want to join this rediculous nonsensical company ??there was no way i would pay the inflated prices for amway products,including shipping prices for no-name brands,when i could go to walmart and get name brands at a much better price!!!i also would not want to recruit anyone i knew or liked into this foolish cult!!my answer was an absolute NO!!!by reading numerous reports on amway i,ve learned that the top dogs in amway are the ones that make all the money!!the ibo,s have a 90 or more%failure or turnover rate!!if these statistics are true what more evidence could a person need to conclude that amway should be avoided like a plague!! in conclusion a few years later after my last meeting with mr. amway oppurtunity,..i found out he had dropped out of amway!!!!i wonder why??!!could it be he made little or no money doing this??!!could be!!!

By: KMansfield

KMansfield — Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:18:30 +0000

It’s a dual pyramid scheme. You consume all that you buy, then they get you to buy the brainwashing MLM tapes and pay big bucks to attend meetings. YOu will meet some upstream people that will provide hook by showing flashing jewelry, their jets, their sprawling ranches, but they misrepresent where that money comes from, they make it from the tapes, not the products. They send you letters showing examples of the how rich the emerald and diamond levels are.
They strongly encourage you to attend their MLM/Dominionist/Calvinist meetings.. Eventually, when you aren’t able to reach a 6 figure income, it’s your fault for lack of faith, its a testament that you aren’t one of the pre-ordained, the elect, one of God’s chosen. You are a reprobate and deserve to suffer.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reprobate
It’s actually good for God’s chosen to see you suffer, as it’s part of Gods plan too. These are the same nuts that are trying to bring on WWIII or Armageddon so they can be raptured before the earth blows up.
Even if you read the book “The Secret” there is hope for you. You will be one of the “Left Behind”.
Until then, they’re working out the newest testament of the bible- the authoritarian version. Maybe the CEO’s Brother in Law will be the enforcer-Eric Prince of Black Water fame.

The man that wrote this book tried for 10 years, and discovered by mistake some information. He ran across some ex-amway internet posts. He got so down on himself that he stopped listening to the tapes for a few months and was able to begin to look at the program more objectively and get some help. He saw a mental heath cult specialist to help him deal with the confusion and break away.
The apologist commenters here are drinking the Koolaid. If you’ve ever had someone try to sell you into Amway, you would see how nutty they are. If you don’t buy into it, just like Jehovah’s witnesses, you must be flawed and they don’t want anything to do with you.

By: kallanu kanhi vekkunnavar

kallanu kanhi vekkunnavar — Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:24:17 +0000

amway people never work thair hand to feed thair childrens
they brainwashing common people by well trained brain & tounge

By: Brad

Brad — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 15:21:35 +0000

I like this web site discusson but no one seems to be asking the hard questions, there is no argument that Amwy Global is a Successful company. But what I would like to see are certified balance sheets and Income statements of the people who say they are making this money. One this seems to be clear is that tere is an issue with the sharing of the profits from tools. I would like to see the income broken down in to income from tools and seminars and income from product movement.

As for the guy who wrote Merchant of Deception , it is clear he has some kind of issue , but he did build the business and, assuming rationality would not have left if the business were were truly incredible . Some where between there is the truth.

Also I would like to know if any one has done a true analysis of the real cost sponsoring some one and finaly one statistinc bothers me and that comes from the UK where only 90 of 33,000 distributers make enough money to run their business in a commerciall manner.

having done all this research and I like the concept some where along the way there seems to be at the very least some slight of hand and misdirection taking place.

By: dre

dre — Thu, 23 Jul 2009 01:37:15 +0000

ok…first off…for the dude who made this website..i feel ur pain..i used to be a distributor myself, and i did give it a good shot, but u know what i think that the time put into that type of business can be used for better…so i dont think u shud be so negative cuz then it looks like ur a hater..im not a hater but i dont think this business is a good idea..as far as all brainwashed amway distributors who choose to argue back…im guessing those bullshit bonus checks are really keeping yall happy. And know that business and religion do not mix…the first time i went to spring leadership, it seemed more like a preaching thing..i felt like it was some type of money cult…filled with greed

By: Harry Canary

Harry Canary — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:00:49 +0000

On a more serious note, you salesboys are the Problem with our country. We cut wages and benefits for anyone who actually does anything productive and waste millions on high finance and sales scams. Time to put the lid on it and get most of you sales twerps to working for a living. But it would probably be too much for you to handle.

By: Harry Canary

Harry Canary — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:58:12 +0000

Legitimate multi level marketing company? That’s an oxymoron like jumbo shrimp or military intelligence. Ain’t no such animal. Amway is the legendary crossbreed between a crocodile and an abalone. It is known as a crocabaloney.

You clowns also believe the earth is 6000 years old, believe speaking in tongues is not stupid gibberish and Jesus is comin’ tomorrow to Rapture you away from all of this.

By: Khislop

Khislop — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:36:03 +0000

I can see that you are upset that a legitmate mutilevel marketing company that is debt free and is making many people financially free that choose to WORK HARD, is funding what you term as “right wing political agendas. For me…….that is a PLUS and a testimony. I personally know many people who work very hard to help any one who wants to succeed. Maybe you should sign up and find out. And by the way, the Artistry and Nutralite brands are GREEN, ORGANIC, and cost competitive with comperable brands. Do your homework.

By: Ernest

Ernest — Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:35:11 +0000

I choose Amway. A conscience decision. Because It works if I do.
Instead of a brick & mortar retail store, or a real estate brokerage, or an entertainment agency (attorney agent), or a building contractors license, I opted to own my own business for less than an $100 investment.
I make the decisions about work. To work when I want. To work with whom I want. To make as much money as I want, determined by MY goals, MY ambition and MY Hard WORK!

Amway Global (Amway, Quixtar) has been a solid, profitable, worldwide FREE ENTERPRISE business for Fifty (50) Years!
The only reason people don’t make money in this or any other business is because THEY don’t do the work The Amway sales & Marketing Plan works IF you work the plan.

Today there is a very dangerous theory in America that if the government gets big enough it will “solve” everyone’s problems. How? The government will take from those that have (a result of being rewarded for hard work or brilliant ideas) and give to those that do nothing.
Great idea?….NO! This radical leftist idea makes us all equal alright…..equally poor!

Free Enterprise!
Remember that? Sadly it is in big jeopardy here in the US as America is going through “Change”. The Euro/Socialist economy will fail. It always has. Tax the workers to care for the lazy and soon the workers stop working and it all crumbles. Zero production = Zero profit and Zero progress.
Government entities have always failed (look at the Post Office & Social “Security”) Obahma and the Left’s ultraliberal philosophies will fail and ruin the world’s most prosperous nation.

You want a better country, better health care, better education? Work for it!
I choose Amway because it costs little to start, sells well and everyone buys, uses, uses up, and buys again the type of products Amway manufactures.

Simple. That is what makes the Free Enterprise Market so successful.
It is simply work, produce, sell, earn, buy and work some more.
Remember:

“You don’t get something for nothing
You don’t get freedom for free
You won’t get wise
With the sleep still in your eyes
No matter what your dreams might be”
(”Something for Nothing” from the album “2112” By RUSH 1976 Anthem Records

By: L Martin

L Martin — Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:12:16 +0000

My family’s experience has been very positive working with Amway corporation. I has provided an amazing lifestyle for over 35 years for my in-laws, a great 2nd income for my parents for 30 years and afforded my wife and I the ability for her to be a full time mom to our children and travel extensively for the last 20 years. As this obviously liberal writer has pointed out, the owners are great Christain people that support the cause of keeping our country great. They also have donated millions to Easter Seals. Lovin life as an Amway affiliated business owner.

By: Hue Longer

Hue Longer — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:42:30 +0000

I used to live in a 10×10 foot apartment, ate pizza out of dumpsters and had a nasty meth habit until I discovered the power of selling meth to my downlines. Now everyone hates me but I eat good pizza.

By: Mike B

Mike B — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 03:47:28 +0000

THis Website have the perfect name, the dissident voice! What a positive name! So im not surprised to ear you bark to the moon with the Amway business and try to alert people about something they dont know!

My father have an oncle who built a amway commerce, by the way he died a lot of years ago but his wife still received the chek every months…
Ask her if she beleive in Amway !!!
So its not new that some people say its a scam and dont work ! But what is special his that people forget to say that they got 50 years business that not supposed to work….!
Its not because the commerce didnt work for you that it not good!

When you compare it to Madoff it is stupid (sorry for that!), when people buy from Amway they have some real good products…and a opportunity to develop a commerce …if they want to do it!

By the Way, Quixtar was the new version of Amway when they went on the web. They come back to Amway name because the made a survey who tell them that the Amway (products name) was well known! More Then Quixtar. So they came back with the original name because its the 50th anniversary in 2009.

they are in almost 80 contrys and made last year 8.2 billions dollars of sale products.

If i got a consel for any of you….just dont listen to any stupid people who tell you that you would be millionnaire in the next year with Amway. But listen carefully somebody who is developping this commerce seriously with a good team of leader, learn from them and set your personnal goal and put the action on the same level of your dream, good luck and have a nice journey!

By: Phil

Phil — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:03:27 +0000

It’s been common knowledge for many years that Amway is a huge scam. The facts are irrefutable.

By: Phil

Phil — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:28:09 +0000

I am an Amway IBO, and I am proud to say to! i lead a team of over fifty with great success, though i began my ventures to financial success over 5 months ago. I am seeing profits already, and you can adjust the amount of educational materials you purchase, they do not make you buy the educational materials, they’re optional. I’m posting this because im so sick of all the flak that AmWay catches that is not deserved. Not a shred of credible “negative” on the internet can be backed up, or else AmWay would have changed to help end the source of the negative.

By: Eric

Eric — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:04:33 +0000

Greetings,
I attempted on several occasions to make money as an Amay distributor. Amway and other multi-level operations are well known in urban areas, particularly during the 1980’s.

The problem with trying to sell Amway products in a major city is that there is too much retail competition from local retail stores. People can walk down the block and buy soap if they want, rather than waite for me to deliver it to them. Amway products do cost more because Amway products are of higher quality. Retaling Amway would work best in suburban or rural areas because the distributor making a delivery would be a conveinence.

It was not easy for down -line like me to obtain products. There was little retail support for distributors. There was a great deal of emphasis on recruiting distributors under you, but not enough training on how to do that. A litle less pressure on that would have made me more comfortable.

The political donations of Amway owners is their business, so long as they are not contributing to hate groups. The owners of Amway might not agree with my political leanings.

Other than my above concerns my experiences with Amway were positive. I did like the products and used them myself. If Amway comes back in a better way I might consider it again.

Eric

By: Johnny Peepers

Johnny Peepers — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:41:24 +0000

Amway/Quixtar is a Dominionist cult that seduces naive individuals with promises of great material wealth and early retirement fantasies. They employ love-bomb psychological massage techniques ala Scientology and other brainwash religious organizations. The products they push have a much higher unit cost than those that can be purchased at any big box or retail store. Usually the mark is too overwhelmed with feelings of group belongingness and up-chain IBO approval reinforcement before they find out the scam.

Amway/Quixtar-sponsored gatherings are brainwash events where the scammers at the top of the pyramid flaunt their wealth, happiness, and liberation from the rat race suffering. Many times, the gatherings are centered around a Christian revivalist come-to-Jesus theme to conflate the merchandising rip-off scam with Salvanationist/Redeemer indoctrination. The speakers employ Ericksonian Neural-Linguistic hypno-speak to entrance the flock.

Avoid this cult at all costs (and I mean all costs).

By: Adrian Monk

Adrian Monk — Thu, 12 Feb 2009 04:58:45 +0000

Amway has been around for 50 years. It has steadily grownover the years and is known for quality products esp in the categories of health & beauty. When you talk to consumers about their Nutrilite, and Artistry range- and compare it with quality/name brands like Estee Lauder, Lancome, or GNC vitamins, their prices are very attractive not cheap, but not expensive either. Value for money! I know many Amway distributors who have been relying on their Amway income as their only income – derived from a balance of retailing and building a sales organization. Amway has also contributed a lot to children campaign via the One by One programs.

This is just a case of an idiot who “hates” Amway – or has a vested interest in condemning Amway to write nasty articles to put down a success story. The Merchant of Deception is actually Eric. Just because he signed up as an Amway distributor, and qualified Emerald once upon a time does not mean he is an honest man, and is qualified to tell “the truth about Amway. If not for the internet- there will be no avenue for idiots like him to voice out his crazy ideas

By: justin

justin — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 20:06:40 +0000

the merchant of deception-eric scheibeler failed to mention that his pet lawsuit was thrown out in the uk as unfounded and frivolous.
he also fails to acknowledge that many succesful amway sales people are being completely ignored in his slanted commentary.
the other thing this article fails to mention is that you cant invest money in amway.
no one has a garage full of products.
amway will refund every dime on any product for any one.
they have always done that.
i have 23 years of experience selling amway.
i will guarantee you this-
if you check out eric scheibeler very closely you will find out his life is pretty screwed up.
anyone care to do the homework on this?
meanwhile- amway does over 8 billion in sales in 2008-
over a billion in north america.
from distributors like me who actually sell the products.
i bet even money that eric – the merchant of deception is making money off his anti-amway scam.
his website begs for money which he says goes to lawyers.
what kind of nut-job does it take to have a web site begging for money
so he can give your money to his lawyers?
this man is unhinged.
he is also making money from his scam.
follow the money.
by the way- eric the merchant of deception-wont return my e-mails.
schock of all schocks! he only wants to talk to complainers.
no success stories are allowed.
no posotive experiences are welcome in his in box.
does this strike anyone as odd?
it is disgusting to me.
who is the next target? the avon lady?
mary kay?

By: Tree

Tree — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:56:24 +0000

Wow. These people make Richard Mellon Scaife look like a harmless little mouse.

By: Crow

Crow — Wed, 11 Feb 2009 18:18:19 +0000

I have a relative who got sucked into Amway. She used to be a smart, funny, personable woman, with plenty of common sense. But I think insecurity about her job made her vulnerable to Amway’s allure. She is one of those people with loads of products, and her family quiety says she’s not making any money at it. They too, worry about her personality change since falling for the Amway way of life. I once asked if I could buy some products from her. She was evasive and never did sell me anything. She used to be a realistic person who could converse intelligently on any topic. Since Amway, she only talks about “positive” things, meaning she never deals with life as it comes at her. Her family does that I guess. She’s in her own world, or more accurately, Amway/Quixtar’s world. Most communications from her, on the rare occasion we get any, are like infomercials for Amway, cryptically referring to her great fortune that lies ahead as a result of her involvement with a “Fortune 500 Company,” blah blah blah. It’s as if we lost her to a whacky cult. Maybe we have.