Comments on: Will Obama’s “New Deal” Save Workers? http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: ian http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37823 ian Wed, 04 Feb 2009 17:31:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37823 megan, i have read that because of fdr new deal policies, during the 30's we had the biggest decrease in unemployment in the country's history, which slowed in 37' i bleive because of conservative pressure to change policy, but picked up again in 38' after fdr stopped apeasing conservatives, wondering your thoughts, was i minsinformed? megan,
i have read that because of fdr new deal policies, during the 30′s we had the biggest decrease in unemployment in the country’s history, which slowed in 37′ i bleive because of conservative pressure to change policy, but picked up again in 38′ after fdr stopped apeasing conservatives,
wondering your thoughts, was i minsinformed?

]]> By: Garrett http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37808 Garrett Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:43:07 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37808 What might a workers' revolt look like? One hundred million workers going on strike at the same time? Will people living paycheck to paycheck be willing to stop working? What might a workers’ revolt look like? One hundred million workers going on strike at the same time? Will people living paycheck to paycheck be willing to stop working?

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37746 Max Shields Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:58:54 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37746 Garrett, Perhaps, but there is nothing like an enemy to get the imperial monster's juices going. If there is a workers' revolt then the divide and conquer tactic may not work for the Empire and the MSM may not be able to muffle it as they have the anti-war demonstrations. Still the power is on the side of the Empire when it comes to a frontal attack. Garrett,

Perhaps, but there is nothing like an enemy to get the imperial monster’s juices going.

If there is a workers’ revolt then the divide and conquer tactic may not work for the Empire and the MSM may not be able to muffle it as they have the anti-war demonstrations.

Still the power is on the side of the Empire when it comes to a frontal attack.

]]> By: Garrett http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37742 Garrett Tue, 03 Feb 2009 19:30:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37742 Max wrote, "The collapse must be met with an alternative, not simply masses in the street (not that I’m against that)." Can masses in the street force the collapse (and replacement of capitalism) to happen sooner than it will otherwise? Max wrote, “The collapse must be met with an alternative, not simply masses in the street (not that I’m against that).”

Can masses in the street force the collapse (and replacement of capitalism) to happen sooner than it will otherwise?

]]> By: HR http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37699 HR Tue, 03 Feb 2009 03:36:32 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37699 I'm looking forward to the final collapse of laissez-faire capitalism, including the petty bourgeoisie small business owners who run local affairs with an iron hand. Communism wouldn't be all that bad. It's never been tried on a vast scale, really, all the propaganda about the U.S.S.R. and China, notwithstanding. Both were, and China is still, nothing more than brutal, totalitarian regimes. It'll be tough, but the suffering will be worth it for the sake of future generations, if we working class types actually do take control of the country ... not the 'taking it back' BS we hear from the pseudoprogressives, but actually taking it for the first time. A real French-type revolution, perhaps even with guillotines, which will be needed, because the elite, like the royalty then, will not go quietly. They can not be trusted. I’m looking forward to the final collapse of laissez-faire capitalism, including the petty bourgeoisie small business owners who run local affairs with an iron hand. Communism wouldn’t be all that bad. It’s never been tried on a vast scale, really, all the propaganda about the U.S.S.R. and China, notwithstanding. Both were, and China is still, nothing more than brutal, totalitarian regimes. It’ll be tough, but the suffering will be worth it for the sake of future generations, if we working class types actually do take control of the country … not the ‘taking it back’ BS we hear from the pseudoprogressives, but actually taking it for the first time. A real French-type revolution, perhaps even with guillotines, which will be needed, because the elite, like the royalty then, will not go quietly. They can not be trusted.

]]> By: Brian http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37690 Brian Mon, 02 Feb 2009 23:22:42 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37690 Obama's plan is New Deal-lite and will not fundamentally change the economic system in the ways that are needed. Obama’s plan is New Deal-lite and will not fundamentally change the economic system in the ways that are needed.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37675 Max Shields Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:42:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37675 I agree that Megan has written a pretty good piece. And I do agree that the Roosevelt era was one of saving the corportists, which is why we are where we are and Obama is clearly in the same tradition. But today is clearly not then. What I do think, though is that scaring the plutocrats is not going to get change. Roosevelt had socialists and labor on his heels and look what happened back in the day when they had real power, when the Soviet Union posed as an alternative, etc. etc. I think this is a new day and one that will not be fear based change per se - plutocrats fear of a people's revolt. The "fear" will come from the lack of energy sources to keep the empire going. That's happening. The collapse must be met with an alternative, not simply masses in the street (not that I'm against that). The empire was put together with a militia and police force to handle "mob control". Revolts during the course of US history have occurred sporadically, but were isolated and subdued. There are altneratives. What to do with the collapsing empire and it's rulers? That's another story. I agree that Megan has written a pretty good piece. And I do agree that the Roosevelt era was one of saving the corportists, which is why we are where we are and Obama is clearly in the same tradition. But today is clearly not then.

What I do think, though is that scaring the plutocrats is not going to get change. Roosevelt had socialists and labor on his heels and look what happened back in the day when they had real power, when the Soviet Union posed as an alternative, etc. etc.

I think this is a new day and one that will not be fear based change per se – plutocrats fear of a people’s revolt. The “fear” will come from the lack of energy sources to keep the empire going. That’s happening. The collapse must be met with an alternative, not simply masses in the street (not that I’m against that).

The empire was put together with a militia and police force to handle “mob control”. Revolts during the course of US history have occurred sporadically, but were isolated and subdued.

There are altneratives. What to do with the collapsing empire and it’s rulers? That’s another story.

]]> By: Ron Horn http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37671 Ron Horn Mon, 02 Feb 2009 18:01:05 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37671 The writer of this article is spot on, as the English would say. There is no choice unless the choice is to live in a world of have-yachts and have-nots, with the continuing destruction of environments and communities, with fascist governments ruling with iron fists to preserve and defend their system, with imposing upon our children and our children’s children essentially indentured servitude to the ruling capitalist class so that they can continue their mad pursuit of wealth accumulation. In the 1930s the capitalists chose outright fascism in Germany, Italy, and Japan and often aided and abetted by the softer capitalist classes in other countries. The latter looked the other way as fascist forces crushed the left wing government that democratically came to power in Spain. They went out of their way to appease the fascist governments when they saw them as useful in destroying the Soviet Union and controlling the threat of organized labor, and only entered the WWII in a serious way when the Soviets decisively turned the tide against the German army at the battle of Stalingrad. The system is a cancer on the humanity of the world, and it is in the advanced stages. If we are to survive as a reasonably decent human race in a habitable planet, we have no choice but to destroy this system. The writer of this article is spot on, as the English would say. There is no choice unless the choice is to live in a world of have-yachts and have-nots, with the continuing destruction of environments and communities, with fascist governments ruling with iron fists to preserve and defend their system, with imposing upon our children and our children’s children essentially indentured servitude to the ruling capitalist class so that they can continue their mad pursuit of wealth accumulation.

In the 1930s the capitalists chose outright fascism in Germany, Italy, and Japan and often aided and abetted by the softer capitalist classes in other countries. The latter looked the other way as fascist forces crushed the left wing government that democratically came to power in Spain. They went out of their way to appease the fascist governments when they saw them as useful in destroying the Soviet Union and controlling the threat of organized labor, and only entered the WWII in a serious way when the Soviets decisively turned the tide against the German army at the battle of Stalingrad.

The system is a cancer on the humanity of the world, and it is in the advanced stages. If we are to survive as a reasonably decent human race in a habitable planet, we have no choice but to destroy this system.

]]> By: Max Shields http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37666 Max Shields Mon, 02 Feb 2009 17:12:48 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37666 Doesn't anyone see the ultimate irony is looking for another "Roosevelt". Aside from peeling way myth from reality, what were the media saying when Roosevelt became President? Who was he to be like? Lincoln? Doubt it. Washington? Again, hardly. Let's bag this dumb talk about the next this or that. There is a truism that resonates with me: you never return to the same stream twice. While history may have the broad texture of repeatability, the moments of crisis are essentially non-repeatable. This is a nation in a context which bears little to no resemblance to the 1920s or 30s. The sooner we realize that we must face the dark and make of it a new beginning the better off we'll all be. Doesn’t anyone see the ultimate irony is looking for another “Roosevelt”. Aside from peeling way myth from reality, what were the media saying when Roosevelt became President? Who was he to be like? Lincoln? Doubt it. Washington? Again, hardly.

Let’s bag this dumb talk about the next this or that. There is a truism that resonates with me: you never return to the same stream twice. While history may have the broad texture of repeatability, the moments of crisis are essentially non-repeatable. This is a nation in a context which bears little to no resemblance to the 1920s or 30s.

The sooner we realize that we must face the dark and make of it a new beginning the better off we’ll all be.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/will-obama%e2%80%99s-%e2%80%9cnew-deal%e2%80%9d-save-workers/#comment-37658 bozh Mon, 02 Feb 2009 16:28:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6535#comment-37658 is the communist party in US still banned legally? wld a socialist party also be declared illegal? why isn't in US a socialist or an opposing party? will uncle ever allow more than one party; i.e., his own? isn't cia, fbi, and army there just for the purpose of preventing establishment of a second political party. wld amers fire on amers just because of politics? is the communist party in US still banned legally? wld a socialist party also be declared illegal?
why isn’t in US a socialist or an opposing party?
will uncle ever allow more than one party; i.e., his own?
isn’t cia, fbi, and army there just for the purpose of preventing establishment of a second political party.
wld amers fire on amers just because of politics?

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