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	<title>Comments on: What in the Name of the Crusades are Tennessee Evangelicals Doing in Kurdish Iraq?</title>
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		<title>By: Bill Berkowitz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/what-in-the-name-of-the-crusades-are-tennessee-evangelicals-doing-in-kurdish-iraq/#comment-40694</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill Berkowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without getting too deep into Barbara&#039;s slime, one correction needs to be made. I have never written a column called &quot;Christian Watch.&quot; For several years, I was the editor of a DataCenter-based publication called &quot;CultureWatch,&quot; and I have authored pieces for a column format that is called &quot;Conservative Watch.&quot;  In addition, contrary to Barbara&#039;s charges -- which I believe she has leveled before &amp; I refuted -- I have never called Christians &quot;enemies of America.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without getting too deep into Barbara&#8217;s slime, one correction needs to be made. I have never written a column called &#8220;Christian Watch.&#8221; For several years, I was the editor of a DataCenter-based publication called &#8220;CultureWatch,&#8221; and I have authored pieces for a column format that is called &#8220;Conservative Watch.&#8221;  In addition, contrary to Barbara&#8217;s charges &#8212; which I believe she has leveled before &amp; I refuted &#8212; I have never called Christians &#8220;enemies of America.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:04:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its always nice for jews like berkowitz and diamond to critique Christians.  If only Christians were as free to critique asshole anti Christian propagandists like them then we would have what is commonly referred to as a level playing field.

Instead we have what is commonly referred to as censorship which like the devil never comes in a form as ugly as the substance of their beings but comes in a beautiful form like political correctness.

If the MExican  bitch with the hispanic name doesn&#039;t like Tennessee she is most free to return to her superior home in Mexico and she shouldn&#039;t let the door hit her in her big fat hispanic ass on the way out.

Yes indeed, Bill Berkowitz has a column called Conservative Watch.  Here is a little fact you may not know.  Years ago the old hymie bigot&#039;s column was openly and provocatively called CHRISTIAN WATCH.  In that column he labled Christians the &quot;enemies of America&quot;.  Yes he has the nerve to say such a thing being another arrogant jew who thinks jews are the center of the universe.

I complained and asked him how it would go over if someone named billy bob had a column called Jew Watch and called Jews the enemies of America - which of course they are - then he changed his column to Conservative watch but we can&#039;t help but be aware that it is still a propaganda hate column against Christians. 

No such hate would be allowed here if it were against Jews and all of the people who&#039;ve posted here would be called &quot;anti semites&quot; whatever that is, if they joined in such a discussion but of course they are free to call Christians and southern people whatever they please.  The unbearable thing about that is that you cloak yourselves in superior morality.  I guess its moral to engage in the destruction of the Anglo Saxon Protestant people so you can steal everything we own.  Assholes.

Now censor this since that is what propagandists and others undeserving of everything we have created are all about.  Thats the only way you can win.  Create an unlevel playing field.  YOu need all the advantage you can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its always nice for jews like berkowitz and diamond to critique Christians.  If only Christians were as free to critique asshole anti Christian propagandists like them then we would have what is commonly referred to as a level playing field.</p>
<p>Instead we have what is commonly referred to as censorship which like the devil never comes in a form as ugly as the substance of their beings but comes in a beautiful form like political correctness.</p>
<p>If the MExican  bitch with the hispanic name doesn&#8217;t like Tennessee she is most free to return to her superior home in Mexico and she shouldn&#8217;t let the door hit her in her big fat hispanic ass on the way out.</p>
<p>Yes indeed, Bill Berkowitz has a column called Conservative Watch.  Here is a little fact you may not know.  Years ago the old hymie bigot&#8217;s column was openly and provocatively called CHRISTIAN WATCH.  In that column he labled Christians the &#8220;enemies of America&#8221;.  Yes he has the nerve to say such a thing being another arrogant jew who thinks jews are the center of the universe.</p>
<p>I complained and asked him how it would go over if someone named billy bob had a column called Jew Watch and called Jews the enemies of America &#8211; which of course they are &#8211; then he changed his column to Conservative watch but we can&#8217;t help but be aware that it is still a propaganda hate column against Christians. </p>
<p>No such hate would be allowed here if it were against Jews and all of the people who&#8217;ve posted here would be called &#8220;anti semites&#8221; whatever that is, if they joined in such a discussion but of course they are free to call Christians and southern people whatever they please.  The unbearable thing about that is that you cloak yourselves in superior morality.  I guess its moral to engage in the destruction of the Anglo Saxon Protestant people so you can steal everything we own.  Assholes.</p>
<p>Now censor this since that is what propagandists and others undeserving of everything we have created are all about.  Thats the only way you can win.  Create an unlevel playing field.  YOu need all the advantage you can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 02:04:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The point I was trying to make earlier - and failed to make it coherently - is that Israel is in Kurdistan to help forge a Kurdish government that is in alignment with Israeli geopolitics.  Israel makes it a point to ally itself with regional non-Arab states (even though they be Muslim). This is the reason Israel has reached out to Turkey - and before the Islamic Revolution - got its oil from the Shah&#039;s Iran.  And it is why it supports non-Arab Sudanese against Khartoum, and why it is increasingly in bed with India.  

I don&#039;t think Israel wants to extend its borders to Kurdistan - despite the Biblical passages - Israel is run by hardcore realists (realists of a sort) who realize that they have their hands full occupying adjacent lands and peoples without going deeper into the region.  Israel would certainly like Kurdistan to be in their sphere of influence (uh, domination, actually) as a bulwark against the Arab peoples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point I was trying to make earlier &#8211; and failed to make it coherently &#8211; is that Israel is in Kurdistan to help forge a Kurdish government that is in alignment with Israeli geopolitics.  Israel makes it a point to ally itself with regional non-Arab states (even though they be Muslim). This is the reason Israel has reached out to Turkey &#8211; and before the Islamic Revolution &#8211; got its oil from the Shah&#8217;s Iran.  And it is why it supports non-Arab Sudanese against Khartoum, and why it is increasingly in bed with India.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Israel wants to extend its borders to Kurdistan &#8211; despite the Biblical passages &#8211; Israel is run by hardcore realists (realists of a sort) who realize that they have their hands full occupying adjacent lands and peoples without going deeper into the region.  Israel would certainly like Kurdistan to be in their sphere of influence (uh, domination, actually) as a bulwark against the Arab peoples.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 03:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>{With tensions ratcheting up between the Kurds and Iraqi Sunnis over who will control the oil-rich regions of Kirkuk and the Nineveh plain, having these American end-time evangelicals trying to convert Muslims in Kurdistan with the blessings of the KRG..}

Your analysis does not reveal the main reason behind what is happening in the North of Iraq.  Your explanation does not include the main factor and that is Israel and her plan of “the Greater Israel.” Any analysis which does not include this crucial fact, it is not going to be taken seriously.

 The main issue in North of Iraq is the colonization of Kurdistan by Israel which has made majority of people in the region to say loudly “we do not accept another Israel.”   There is little doubt that Israel is working very hard towards ‘Palestinazation’ of North of Iraq since Kurdistan is included in her plan “the Greater Israel.” 
Iraq war was a zionist war to change the map of the region to benefit Israel using American resources to facilitate Israel’s plan of “the Greater Israel” and to become energy independent by having access to oil of North of Iraq.   
Since the invasion of Iraq many Jews from Israel have bought land in North of Iraq, like in early 20th century in Palestine.
Israel has plans to relocate thousands of Jews from Israel to the Iraqi cities of Mosul and Nineveh under the guise of religious pilgrimages to ancient Jewish religious shrines. They are secretly working with the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) to carry out the integration of Kurdish and other Jews into areas of Iraq under control of the KRG.

According to Wayne Madsen:
{The Israelis are particularly interested in the shrine of the Jewish prophet Nahum in al Qush, the prophet Jonah in Mosul, and the tomb of the prophet Daniel in Kirkuk. Israelis are also trying to claim Jewish “properties” outside of the Kurdish region, including the shrine of Ezekiel in the village of al-Kifl in Babel Province near Najaf and the tomb of Ezra in al-Uzayr in Misan Province, near Basra, both in southern Iraq’s Shi’a-dominated territory. Israeli expansionists consider these shrines and tombs as much a part of “Greater Israel” as Jerusalem and the West Bank, which they call “Judea and Samaria.} 

Mossad is working with Israeli companies and “tourists” to claim the ‘Jewish” properties” to extend the occupied land in Palestine further towards the oil rich of North of Iraq.   These Christian evangelicals, you are writing about, are cooperating with Mossad towards this coal.  The reason behind activities of Christian evangelical is to help Zionists take over North of Iraq to include it in the map of “the greater Israel” which goes, according to another MYTH in Bible, from the Nile to Euphrates.
Both Talebani and Barezani are cooperating with Israel and the Christian evangelicals to make, in their stupid mind, Kurdistan as an independent state.   The partition of Iraq, in fact, was designed by a zionist Jew, Lesli Gelb, and was brought to the senate by a self claimed zioinst puppet, Joe Biden, to partition Iraq to make a non-Arab ally for Israel in the region.  They have the same plan for Iran to balkanize the country through illegal economic sanctions to bring down the economy to increase unemployment and civil disobedience to create tension among Iranian minority groups and support opportunists among them to give those military training and financial support to bring ‘regime change.’   They have done the same thing in the Southern Sudan to make the south independent from the central government.  
The Israelis and their Christian Zionist supporters are working closely with the KRG towards this goal.   Mossad operatives and Christian Zionist mercenaries are staging terrorist attacks against Chaldean Christians, particularly in Nineveh, Irbil, al-Hamdaniya, Bartalah, Talasqaf, Batnayah, Bashiqah, Elkosheven, Uqrah, and Mosul.  Mossad gives Kurds military training and train them for terrorist activities in the neighboring country.  
These attacks by the Israelis and their allies are usually reported as being the responsibility of “Al Qaeda” and other Islamic “jihadists.” The ultimate aim of the Israelis is to depopulate the Christian population in and around Mosul and steal the land as BIBLICAL JEWISH LAND, as they have done in Palestine that is part of “the Greater Israel.”

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96103301 

Today, the Kurds are the pawn of the Zionists in the region.  Majority of people in the region call North of Iraq as, ‘another Israel’ which means ‘another enemy.’     American people must raise their voices against the zionist plan and exert pressure on Obama, the Jewish president, NOT TO CREATE ANOTHER ISRAEL.  Shame on them.


&quot;the greater Israel&quot;   is based on  another  MYTH: 

Question: &quot;What is the land that GOD promised to Israel?&quot;

Answer: In regards to the land that God has promised Israel, Genesis 15:18 declares, &quot;To your descendants [Abraham&#039;s] I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates.&quot; God later confirms this promise to Abraham&#039;s son Isaac, and Isaac&#039;s son Jacob (whose name was later changed to Israel). When the Israelites were about to invade the Promised Land, God reiterated the land promise, as recorded in Joshua 1:4, &quot;Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the great river, the Euphrates — all the Hittite country — to the Great Sea on the west.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>{With tensions ratcheting up between the Kurds and Iraqi Sunnis over who will control the oil-rich regions of Kirkuk and the Nineveh plain, having these American end-time evangelicals trying to convert Muslims in Kurdistan with the blessings of the KRG..}</p>
<p>Your analysis does not reveal the main reason behind what is happening in the North of Iraq.  Your explanation does not include the main factor and that is Israel and her plan of “the Greater Israel.” Any analysis which does not include this crucial fact, it is not going to be taken seriously.</p>
<p> The main issue in North of Iraq is the colonization of Kurdistan by Israel which has made majority of people in the region to say loudly “we do not accept another Israel.”   There is little doubt that Israel is working very hard towards ‘Palestinazation’ of North of Iraq since Kurdistan is included in her plan “the Greater Israel.”<br />
Iraq war was a zionist war to change the map of the region to benefit Israel using American resources to facilitate Israel’s plan of “the Greater Israel” and to become energy independent by having access to oil of North of Iraq.<br />
Since the invasion of Iraq many Jews from Israel have bought land in North of Iraq, like in early 20th century in Palestine.<br />
Israel has plans to relocate thousands of Jews from Israel to the Iraqi cities of Mosul and Nineveh under the guise of religious pilgrimages to ancient Jewish religious shrines. They are secretly working with the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) to carry out the integration of Kurdish and other Jews into areas of Iraq under control of the KRG.</p>
<p>According to Wayne Madsen:<br />
{The Israelis are particularly interested in the shrine of the Jewish prophet Nahum in al Qush, the prophet Jonah in Mosul, and the tomb of the prophet Daniel in Kirkuk. Israelis are also trying to claim Jewish “properties” outside of the Kurdish region, including the shrine of Ezekiel in the village of al-Kifl in Babel Province near Najaf and the tomb of Ezra in al-Uzayr in Misan Province, near Basra, both in southern Iraq’s Shi’a-dominated territory. Israeli expansionists consider these shrines and tombs as much a part of “Greater Israel” as Jerusalem and the West Bank, which they call “Judea and Samaria.} </p>
<p>Mossad is working with Israeli companies and “tourists” to claim the ‘Jewish” properties” to extend the occupied land in Palestine further towards the oil rich of North of Iraq.   These Christian evangelicals, you are writing about, are cooperating with Mossad towards this coal.  The reason behind activities of Christian evangelical is to help Zionists take over North of Iraq to include it in the map of “the greater Israel” which goes, according to another MYTH in Bible, from the Nile to Euphrates.<br />
Both Talebani and Barezani are cooperating with Israel and the Christian evangelicals to make, in their stupid mind, Kurdistan as an independent state.   The partition of Iraq, in fact, was designed by a zionist Jew, Lesli Gelb, and was brought to the senate by a self claimed zioinst puppet, Joe Biden, to partition Iraq to make a non-Arab ally for Israel in the region.  They have the same plan for Iran to balkanize the country through illegal economic sanctions to bring down the economy to increase unemployment and civil disobedience to create tension among Iranian minority groups and support opportunists among them to give those military training and financial support to bring ‘regime change.’   They have done the same thing in the Southern Sudan to make the south independent from the central government.<br />
The Israelis and their Christian Zionist supporters are working closely with the KRG towards this goal.   Mossad operatives and Christian Zionist mercenaries are staging terrorist attacks against Chaldean Christians, particularly in Nineveh, Irbil, al-Hamdaniya, Bartalah, Talasqaf, Batnayah, Bashiqah, Elkosheven, Uqrah, and Mosul.  Mossad gives Kurds military training and train them for terrorist activities in the neighboring country.<br />
These attacks by the Israelis and their allies are usually reported as being the responsibility of “Al Qaeda” and other Islamic “jihadists.” The ultimate aim of the Israelis is to depopulate the Christian population in and around Mosul and steal the land as BIBLICAL JEWISH LAND, as they have done in Palestine that is part of “the Greater Israel.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96103301" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96103301</a> </p>
<p>Today, the Kurds are the pawn of the Zionists in the region.  Majority of people in the region call North of Iraq as, ‘another Israel’ which means ‘another enemy.’     American people must raise their voices against the zionist plan and exert pressure on Obama, the Jewish president, NOT TO CREATE ANOTHER ISRAEL.  Shame on them.</p>
<p>&#8220;the greater Israel&#8221;   is based on  another  MYTH: </p>
<p>Question: &#8220;What is the land that GOD promised to Israel?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer: In regards to the land that God has promised Israel, Genesis 15:18 declares, &#8220;To your descendants [Abraham's] I give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates.&#8221; God later confirms this promise to Abraham&#8217;s son Isaac, and Isaac&#8217;s son Jacob (whose name was later changed to Israel). When the Israelites were about to invade the Promised Land, God reiterated the land promise, as recorded in Joshua 1:4, &#8220;Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the great river, the Euphrates — all the Hittite country — to the Great Sea on the west.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tenn - Chavizta - You mentioned tostitos twice.  Must be a favorite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tenn &#8211; Chavizta &#8211; You mentioned tostitos twice.  Must be a favorite.</p>
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		<title>By: Tennessee-Chavizta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tennessee-Chavizta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 16:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in TN, and most TN slaves are not even right-wingers nor left-wingers.  All the TN slaves care about is eating and snacking on:   oreos, fig-bars, doritos, tostitos, corn-dogs, pancakes, duncan hines, pillsbury cakes, kraft cheese, Nabisco Ritz cookies, combos, oreos,  pancakes, combos, corn dogs, burritos, tostitos, fajitas  calzonis, Digiorno pizzas, Golden Corral, I-hop all u can eat buffets, potatoe salads, twinkies, little debbies, donkin donuts, pop tarts, struddles, apple jax, pecan pies, ice-cream, Hardees supersize burgers, Quiznos, Little Caesars, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in TN, and most TN slaves are not even right-wingers nor left-wingers.  All the TN slaves care about is eating and snacking on:   oreos, fig-bars, doritos, tostitos, corn-dogs, pancakes, duncan hines, pillsbury cakes, kraft cheese, Nabisco Ritz cookies, combos, oreos,  pancakes, combos, corn dogs, burritos, tostitos, fajitas  calzonis, Digiorno pizzas, Golden Corral, I-hop all u can eat buffets, potatoe salads, twinkies, little debbies, donkin donuts, pop tarts, struddles, apple jax, pecan pies, ice-cream, Hardees supersize burgers, Quiznos, Little Caesars, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: AaronG</title>
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		<dc:creator>AaronG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 12:21:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;10/40 Window&quot;??!! Huh? WTF??!! 

The only time any of this religious mumbo-jumbo has even got close to making sense to me was when I was up late nights patting my baby girl back to sleep on the couch. Sleep deprived with blood-shot eyes, their sermons at 3am nearly made sense to me. But then I switched channels and started believing the infomercials as well and wanted to buy some steak knives with my credit card. Then I knew I must get some sleep. 

It&#039;s good to see that these religious killers are taking their leader&#039;s (I think it&#039;s still Jesus, isn&#039;t it?) advice to &quot;put away the sword&quot; and &quot;not get involved in politics&quot;. Keep up the good work, religious nutters. See you on the couch next time I have a baby - I may even donate some money to you if I&#039;m feeling gullible enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;10/40 Window&#8221;??!! Huh? WTF??!! </p>
<p>The only time any of this religious mumbo-jumbo has even got close to making sense to me was when I was up late nights patting my baby girl back to sleep on the couch. Sleep deprived with blood-shot eyes, their sermons at 3am nearly made sense to me. But then I switched channels and started believing the infomercials as well and wanted to buy some steak knives with my credit card. Then I knew I must get some sleep. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to see that these religious killers are taking their leader&#8217;s (I think it&#8217;s still Jesus, isn&#8217;t it?) advice to &#8220;put away the sword&#8221; and &#8220;not get involved in politics&#8221;. Keep up the good work, religious nutters. See you on the couch next time I have a baby &#8211; I may even donate some money to you if I&#8217;m feeling gullible enough!</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:15:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question before “Why Kurdistan was split between ....”   you must ask yourself where Kurdistan was located.  Kurdistan was in Persia (Iran) and it was not either in Iraq or Turkey.  Part of   Northwest Part of Iran dominated by the Kurds and Turkmen was lost during Chaldiran battle in 1514 to a better military equipped Ottoman empire.    Today, this part is located in north part of Iraq and east of Turkey.  Therefore, Kurdistan was part of Iran where Northeast of  it was lost as Ottoman Empire  try to expand its power and influence.  
Starting in 1514, for over a century the Ottoman Empire and Savafid Persia were engaged in almost constant warfare over control of the Caucasus and Mesopotamia. The two states were the greatest powers of the Middle East, and the rivalry was further fueled by dogmatic differences: the Ottomans were Sunnis, while the Safavids were  Shia Muslims. 
The outcome at Chaldiran had many consequences. Perhaps most significantly, it established the border between the two empires, which remains the border between Turkey and Iran today. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chaldiran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question before “Why Kurdistan was split between &#8230;.”   you must ask yourself where Kurdistan was located.  Kurdistan was in Persia (Iran) and it was not either in Iraq or Turkey.  Part of   Northwest Part of Iran dominated by the Kurds and Turkmen was lost during Chaldiran battle in 1514 to a better military equipped Ottoman empire.    Today, this part is located in north part of Iraq and east of Turkey.  Therefore, Kurdistan was part of Iran where Northeast of  it was lost as Ottoman Empire  try to expand its power and influence.<br />
Starting in 1514, for over a century the Ottoman Empire and Savafid Persia were engaged in almost constant warfare over control of the Caucasus and Mesopotamia. The two states were the greatest powers of the Middle East, and the rivalry was further fueled by dogmatic differences: the Ottomans were Sunnis, while the Safavids were  Shia Muslims.<br />
The outcome at Chaldiran had many consequences. Perhaps most significantly, it established the border between the two empires, which remains the border between Turkey and Iran today. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chaldiran" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chaldiran</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 01:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The question before “Why Kurdistan was split between ....”   you must ask yourself where Kurdistan was located.  Kurdistan was in Persia (Iran) and it was not either in Iraq or Turkey.  Part of   Northwest Part of Iran dominated by the Kurds and Turkmen was lost during Chaldiran battle in 1514 to a better military equipped Ottoman empire.    Today, this part is located in north part of Iraq and east of Turkey.  Therefore, Kurdistan was part of Iran where part of it was lost as Ottoman Empire  try to expand its empire further.  Iran was a Sunni country turned into a Shia under Savavids to face Ottoman threat.
Starting in 1514, for over a century the Ottoman Empire and Savafid Persia were engaged in almost constant warfare over control of the Caucasus and Mesopotamia. The two states were the greatest powers of the Middle East, and the rivalry was further fueled by dogmatic differences: the Ottomans were Sunnis, while the Safavids were staunchly Shia Muslims of the Qizilbash sect, and seen as heretics by the Ottomans.[1]
The outcome at Chaldiran had many consequences. Perhaps most significantly, it established the border between the two empires, which remains the border between Turkey and Iran today. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chaldiran</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The question before “Why Kurdistan was split between &#8230;.”   you must ask yourself where Kurdistan was located.  Kurdistan was in Persia (Iran) and it was not either in Iraq or Turkey.  Part of   Northwest Part of Iran dominated by the Kurds and Turkmen was lost during Chaldiran battle in 1514 to a better military equipped Ottoman empire.    Today, this part is located in north part of Iraq and east of Turkey.  Therefore, Kurdistan was part of Iran where part of it was lost as Ottoman Empire  try to expand its empire further.  Iran was a Sunni country turned into a Shia under Savavids to face Ottoman threat.<br />
Starting in 1514, for over a century the Ottoman Empire and Savafid Persia were engaged in almost constant warfare over control of the Caucasus and Mesopotamia. The two states were the greatest powers of the Middle East, and the rivalry was further fueled by dogmatic differences: the Ottomans were Sunnis, while the Safavids were staunchly Shia Muslims of the Qizilbash sect, and seen as heretics by the Ottomans.[1]<br />
The outcome at Chaldiran had many consequences. Perhaps most significantly, it established the border between the two empires, which remains the border between Turkey and Iran today. </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chaldiran" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Chaldiran</a></p>
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		<title>By: rg the lg</title>
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		<dc:creator>rg the lg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barry suggests that the problem with the Kurdish failure for autonomy is Iraq and by extension, Arabs.  OK ... but my question has to do with why Kurdistan was split amongst Iran, Iraq and Turkey in the first place ...

This was an act that was engineered and policed by western &#039;powers&#039; (read non-Arab) ... the US and Britain in particular?

But, I suppose the argument that the native-American had to be pushed aside was also the Indians fault?

Oh well, racism in such discussions is endemic.  

RG the LG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry suggests that the problem with the Kurdish failure for autonomy is Iraq and by extension, Arabs.  OK &#8230; but my question has to do with why Kurdistan was split amongst Iran, Iraq and Turkey in the first place &#8230;</p>
<p>This was an act that was engineered and policed by western &#8216;powers&#8217; (read non-Arab) &#8230; the US and Britain in particular?</p>
<p>But, I suppose the argument that the native-American had to be pushed aside was also the Indians fault?</p>
<p>Oh well, racism in such discussions is endemic.  </p>
<p>RG the LG</p>
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		<title>By: Barry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe the Christian presence in Iraqi Kurdistan has to be seen in the light of the Israeli presence there as well - the two together cooperating on a message and policy of Israel as rightfully belonging only to the Jews.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe the Christian presence in Iraqi Kurdistan has to be seen in the light of the Israeli presence there as well &#8211; the two together cooperating on a message and policy of Israel as rightfully belonging only to the Jews.</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 21:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>david mcdowell, in his,  a modern history, THE KURDS, all kurds wanted prior to baathist rise to power was to be able to use own langauge and have greater share in economy.

but due to kurdish feudal society, kurds were divided as aghas feared any change. aghas oft owned villages and until ?1967 a peasant cld not leave the village w.o. owner&#039;s permission.

kurds begun to ask for an autonomy or decentralization when baathists came to power in &#039;63. baathist have offered kurds an autonomy but later the agreement failed.
among the baathists who werw willing to grant kurds an autonomy was also saddam hussein.

so, if  kurds obtain independence  or a (con)federated state, arabs wld have contributed to that. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david mcdowell, in his,  a modern history, THE KURDS, all kurds wanted prior to baathist rise to power was to be able to use own langauge and have greater share in economy.</p>
<p>but due to kurdish feudal society, kurds were divided as aghas feared any change. aghas oft owned villages and until ?1967 a peasant cld not leave the village w.o. owner&#8217;s permission.</p>
<p>kurds begun to ask for an autonomy or decentralization when baathists came to power in &#8216;63. baathist have offered kurds an autonomy but later the agreement failed.<br />
among the baathists who werw willing to grant kurds an autonomy was also saddam hussein.</p>
<p>so, if  kurds obtain independence  or a (con)federated state, arabs wld have contributed to that. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 20:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The disaster, of course, of groups like these is that they cause Iraqi Christians to be stigmatised by their fellow countrymen as collaborators, bringing down persecution on their heads. A Catholic bishop and at least one priest, for example, has been murdered. Of course, these people tend to put popes and cardinals in the same boat as mullahs and imams!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The disaster, of course, of groups like these is that they cause Iraqi Christians to be stigmatised by their fellow countrymen as collaborators, bringing down persecution on their heads. A Catholic bishop and at least one priest, for example, has been murdered. Of course, these people tend to put popes and cardinals in the same boat as mullahs and imams!</p>
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