Comments on: US-Iraq: Generals Seek to Reverse Obama Withdrawal Decision

By: The Angry Peasant

The Angry Peasant — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 03:56:31 +0000

You know, when RG the LG takes a break from advocating mass suicide, he makes some sense.

Let me just say that to answer your question, RG: Yes. I would indeed revolt. My screen moniker is no bullshit. If anyone in DV has a legitimate claim to having very little to lose, and a lifetime’s worth of suffering at the hands of this impeccably evil system, it is me. The fact that I even have this damn computer is just another passing luxury for me. I grew up poor, I got fucked at every job I’ve ever had despite working my ass off. (I discovered years ago that all hard work gets you is more hard work.) I’ve been dragged into court more times than I can recall and threatened with jailtime over being unable to pay expenses that would come free as a human right in other places. I have a son who, at just five, is already doomed to a life of poverty. I can already envision the endless ribbing in school he’ll be subjected to for being a poor, homely kid, like I was. I can see him working a dead-end job in his thirties, like me, probably having only a bottle of Scotch at whatever shitty apartment he’s barely hanging on to to look forward to.

There is no scale in existence that could possibly measure my disgust, rage, and hatred in regards to this heartless country and the people who keep it that way. If there is a revolution to be had, I’m going to be a fucking general.

By: Max Shields

Max Shields — Thu, 05 Feb 2009 00:00:19 +0000

Good catch, Martha.
Max

By: Brian

Brian — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:58:33 +0000

brian,
McKinley, a Republican, was assassinated. So was Lincoln.

btw, JFK ain’t all that accurate. Not saying Stone is wrong to assert a conspiracy to kill JFK, but what he asserts in the film is flimsy, not based on the documentary record, which does support a conspiracy, but since the crime was never properly investigated the leads to the real killers went unexamined.

By: brian

brian — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 22:50:19 +0000

Just watched JFK last night….where the implication is Kennedy angered the military, leading them to organise a Coup-d’etat.
Is Obama going to suffer the same blowback?

Is it true only democratic politicians have ever been assassinated??

By: Michael Hureaux

Michael Hureaux — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 16:18:01 +0000

If Obama were about anything, he’d make a national speech in which he asserted the civilian authority in this government, and he’d fire every general who was disputing with the civilian head of government. It is ridiculous that any elected public official takes their cues from the military, but then, it just goes to show how deep the inroads of the national lockdown state have undermined any constitutional process in this country.

By: Martha

Martha — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 15:45:46 +0000

“I’m wondering if Obama really has a real desire for a 16 month withdrawal plan that he intends to follow through on, or if he just wants to blame the generals when he decides not to withdraw from Iraq.”
Socialist Idealist, he seems to get a lot of help there from Gareth whose back must be going out after many months of helping to carry the water.

By: rg the lg

rg the lg — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 05:58:57 +0000

Civil war on the horizon.

There are those who would scoff. But, I work with a lady who thinks that if O’Bama does try to pull us out of Iraq he should be removed from office. And, I suspect she is not alone.

In some ways, a civil war is long overdue. But, I doubt if the pantiwaste american male is up to fighting for his rights. Maybe some women are, but ya know … I doubt it. Whether we want to admit it or not, it is the ‘old’ pre-Bush empire we wanted when we voted for O’Bama.

I doubt if the current police state can be undone by those captive to it. Like Germany during WWII we will have to be brought to our senses by the rest of the world. We haven’t the guts to admit we are wrong … and we’ll fight like hell to preserve our ‘place in the sun.’ The Germans fought for their place despite having an asshole like Hitler …

Think about it. Would you revolt? Really?

Of course not … and thus it is WE who are complicit. Talk all you want, but until you act, it is just so much yada, yada, yada …

RG the LG

By: DavidG.

DavidG. — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 04:40:53 +0000

Don’t be so hard on Osama, Angry Peasant. After all, America supported him at one stage (just like Saddam).

The real culprit is the bible-bashing, gun-toting, greed-filled Yank!

http://www.dangerouscreation.com

By: The Angry Peasant

The Angry Peasant — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 03:41:22 +0000

After all this time and bloodshed, not to mention the mountains of wasted unfairly-taxed money, you have to stand back and just think how Osama bin Laden, the man who (supposedly) is responsible for all this madness (although we know the real motives) has been let off the hook. Millions displaced, thousands dead, thousands maimed…and he’s forgotten by the American people. If this had happened in the forties, would the American population just say, “Ah, never mind him” about Hitler? Yes, folks, we really have become that apathetic. Nobody cares, other than the families of the 9/11 victims. As far as I can tell, Osama won. He obliterated the America that we used to know.

By: The Socialist Idealist

The Socialist Idealist — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:39:04 +0000

I’m wondering if Obama really has a real desire for a 16 month withdrawal plan that he intends to follow through on, or if he just wants to blame the generals when he decides not to withdraw from Iraq.

By: Rahb

Rahb — Wed, 04 Feb 2009 00:06:56 +0000

Note, that it also seems pretty easy to come through(ish) on high profile issues/ conveniently leaving behind others. The US seems pretty divided right now. I spy civil war on the horizon, especially if more “privatization” (really corporatization) of the military and intelligence agencies continues along with everything else, potentially caused by the loss of government finances, because of the “economic crisis” -which normally I’d support if it didn’t just represent a shift in power to even less “democratic” institutions… I wonder if Barrack is thinking in the same direction, not that I have any delusions about the guy, it would explain some of his actions/ desperately trying to hold the country along with its corrupt government (due to lack of insight) together… POTUSA have never, in the past, hesitated to act brutally and destroy other people for that very reason. nothin’ to do with anythin’ really, just a thought…

By: Max Shields

Max Shields — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 21:34:32 +0000

The Commander in Chief (war guy) is responsible for the mission. The military is responsible for execution, military strategy and tactics.

So, it what is Obama’s mission? So far it’s the same one Bush had – war on terror. Since that is assinine, but the frame the POTUS has provided both the American people and the military, he has given himself little room to redefine the whole project.

In the ugly game of war it all comes down to what front is the military fighting. Does the CiC determine that, or do the military officers.

At bottom, what difference does it really make to the children and their families who will be terrorized by US drones?

And let’s not forget, Obama’s “drawdown” doesn’t include eliminating US bases in Iraq.

Oh the lite version of Bush. Smile sweetly as you commit war crimes.

By: Phil

Phil — Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:09:31 +0000

I’d feel a lot better if Obama was doing this in the interest of peace or stability, or toward the goal of actually bringing troops home. But since this is all a matter of shifting US terrorism & war crimes from one target to another, it doesn’t seem to make a difference who wins this little spat.