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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/the-graveyard-of-empires-americas-new-asian-quagmire/#comment-38334</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re bosnia,
well, bosniaks (muslims) did not want to live in croatia nor serbia. serbs and croats attempted to oust moslem from regions deemed serb or croat.
muslims (croats/serbs) who lived in bosnia ever since slavs came to the balkans in 7th century, had every right to abide in their habitat.
and the right to return to it (Just like pals).

it is true that a part of bosnia wld be at one time part of croat kingdom another time part of serb kingdom and at another time part of croatia was a part of bosnian kingdom, bosnia was always considered as a country by most ex-yugoslavs.
be is  as it may, serbs and croats were wrong and not bosniaks.

it was croat intelligentsia who in 19th century clammored for unity among s. slavs. however, to serbs, southslav unity meant s&#039;mthing different than to croats.

i think that croats were choosing btw to evils: yugoslavia or independence but with loss to italy much of croat&#039;n littoral.
being losers in WW 2, they lost some land to italians anyway but wld not lose as  much as being federated in yugoslavia.

and italians were not hapy over the final treaty at verssailles; that set the stage for second WW2 as italy wanted much more of croatia; nearly half of its territory.
but this time croats were victors; not, of course, the Ustashe, but croat partisans most of which came from littoral croatia.
croats got back even the parts that were given to italy in &#039;19.
sadly, croatia turned s&#039;mwhat fascist under tudjman (90-o2). even today it is much fascist.
i think they support israel as well. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re bosnia,<br />
well, bosniaks (muslims) did not want to live in croatia nor serbia. serbs and croats attempted to oust moslem from regions deemed serb or croat.<br />
muslims (croats/serbs) who lived in bosnia ever since slavs came to the balkans in 7th century, had every right to abide in their habitat.<br />
and the right to return to it (Just like pals).</p>
<p>it is true that a part of bosnia wld be at one time part of croat kingdom another time part of serb kingdom and at another time part of croatia was a part of bosnian kingdom, bosnia was always considered as a country by most ex-yugoslavs.<br />
be is  as it may, serbs and croats were wrong and not bosniaks.</p>
<p>it was croat intelligentsia who in 19th century clammored for unity among s. slavs. however, to serbs, southslav unity meant s&#8217;mthing different than to croats.</p>
<p>i think that croats were choosing btw to evils: yugoslavia or independence but with loss to italy much of croat&#8217;n littoral.<br />
being losers in WW 2, they lost some land to italians anyway but wld not lose as  much as being federated in yugoslavia.</p>
<p>and italians were not hapy over the final treaty at verssailles; that set the stage for second WW2 as italy wanted much more of croatia; nearly half of its territory.<br />
but this time croats were victors; not, of course, the Ustashe, but croat partisans most of which came from littoral croatia.<br />
croats got back even the parts that were given to italy in &#8217;19.<br />
sadly, croatia turned s&#8217;mwhat fascist under tudjman (90-o2). even today it is much fascist.<br />
i think they support israel as well. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/the-graveyard-of-empires-americas-new-asian-quagmire/#comment-38327</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:11:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why is  US/nato in afgh&#039;n? by asking this question, i obviously entirely disregard or evaluate as lies what US/nato had said about the purpose of invading and occupying this land.

so, we don&#039;t know. even if nato/US wld  eventually tell us the truth about this criminal act, i wld not believe it.
of course, the key to all this is that nato/US had commited a crime by invading afgh&#039;n and continues to violate universal human rights and no criminal wld tell the truth.

perforce, we find ourselves in the area of assumptions. so we must assume.
i conclude that since US wants to destroy or cripple also iran and syria, afgh&#039;n is occupied so as to serve as a base for attacking both syria and iran+.

US also wants to obtain central asia and eventually turn on china; the end goal being destruction of all socialisms.
to that end, all plutos are united like never before; that&#039;s where the power is.
what china wld do while being encircled i&#039;m not going to predict.
if they love socialism and greater share of rule for working people as i do and US was about to destroy that, i wld be ready for the worst. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why is  US/nato in afgh&#8217;n? by asking this question, i obviously entirely disregard or evaluate as lies what US/nato had said about the purpose of invading and occupying this land.</p>
<p>so, we don&#8217;t know. even if nato/US wld  eventually tell us the truth about this criminal act, i wld not believe it.<br />
of course, the key to all this is that nato/US had commited a crime by invading afgh&#8217;n and continues to violate universal human rights and no criminal wld tell the truth.</p>
<p>perforce, we find ourselves in the area of assumptions. so we must assume.<br />
i conclude that since US wants to destroy or cripple also iran and syria, afgh&#8217;n is occupied so as to serve as a base for attacking both syria and iran+.</p>
<p>US also wants to obtain central asia and eventually turn on china; the end goal being destruction of all socialisms.<br />
to that end, all plutos are united like never before; that&#8217;s where the power is.<br />
what china wld do while being encircled i&#8217;m not going to predict.<br />
if they love socialism and greater share of rule for working people as i do and US was about to destroy that, i wld be ready for the worst. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Burghardt</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/the-graveyard-of-empires-americas-new-asian-quagmire/#comment-38234</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Burghardt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torzan, I don&#039;t believe the US-NATO goal was ever to eliminate &quot;virulent Islamists&quot; but to give the appearance they were doing so as they prepared their &quot;little adventure&quot; in Iraq.

How else describe the nightly flights nightly flights from Kunduz in November 2001? According to Seymour Hersh&#039;s account in The New Yorker (http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/020128fa_FACT), hundreds of Pakistani intelligence agents, volunteers, Pakistani Taliban and probably al-Qaeda fighters flew back into Pakistan on unmarked military transport planes. This would have been impossible without U.S. connivance and complicity. Not to mention the ludicrous Tora Bora &quot;battle&quot; where because the Americans relied on their Northern Alliance &quot;allies,&quot; bin Laden and his crew were literally able to bribe their way out.

A deal was struck with Musharraf (just as one had been struck with Zia 20 years earlier): the result? America has entered a steel trap: they can&#039;t win, and they can&#039;t leave Afghanistan. Up next? Arming local militias in the hope they&#039;ll route the Taliban. This too, is a smokescreen designed to hoodwink the American people and world opinion. Why? Because these militias are completely tied to the NA warlords, or their Pashtun cousins, and completely dominate the opium trade. When convenient (as it always is with criminals!) they&#039;ll strike a deal with the South Asian and American drug lords to preserve the &quot;trade.&quot;

I don&#039;t mean to sound so cynical; I&#039;m not. I just don&#039;t see a way out unless the South Asian people themselves find  the means to their own solutions. Perhaps I&#039;m hopeless, as I actually believe that socialism and a secular vision for society that respects and honors each individual&#039;s culture and religion offers a way out of the morass of endless exploitation, sectarianism and violence.

The &quot;Islamists&quot;--like &quot;nationalist&quot; Bosnians, Chechens, Kosovars and Serbs before them--are manipulated by unscrupulous leaders out to make a buck. It wasn&#039;t accidental when Marx said &quot;religion is the opium of the people&quot;! Meanwhile, real human beings are slaughtered and entire ways of life obliterated; it is, after all, the American way!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torzan, I don&#8217;t believe the US-NATO goal was ever to eliminate &#8220;virulent Islamists&#8221; but to give the appearance they were doing so as they prepared their &#8220;little adventure&#8221; in Iraq.</p>
<p>How else describe the nightly flights nightly flights from Kunduz in November 2001? According to Seymour Hersh&#8217;s account in The New Yorker (<a href="http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/020128fa_FACT" rel="nofollow">http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2002/01/28/020128fa_FACT</a>), hundreds of Pakistani intelligence agents, volunteers, Pakistani Taliban and probably al-Qaeda fighters flew back into Pakistan on unmarked military transport planes. This would have been impossible without U.S. connivance and complicity. Not to mention the ludicrous Tora Bora &#8220;battle&#8221; where because the Americans relied on their Northern Alliance &#8220;allies,&#8221; bin Laden and his crew were literally able to bribe their way out.</p>
<p>A deal was struck with Musharraf (just as one had been struck with Zia 20 years earlier): the result? America has entered a steel trap: they can&#8217;t win, and they can&#8217;t leave Afghanistan. Up next? Arming local militias in the hope they&#8217;ll route the Taliban. This too, is a smokescreen designed to hoodwink the American people and world opinion. Why? Because these militias are completely tied to the NA warlords, or their Pashtun cousins, and completely dominate the opium trade. When convenient (as it always is with criminals!) they&#8217;ll strike a deal with the South Asian and American drug lords to preserve the &#8220;trade.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to sound so cynical; I&#8217;m not. I just don&#8217;t see a way out unless the South Asian people themselves find  the means to their own solutions. Perhaps I&#8217;m hopeless, as I actually believe that socialism and a secular vision for society that respects and honors each individual&#8217;s culture and religion offers a way out of the morass of endless exploitation, sectarianism and violence.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Islamists&#8221;&#8211;like &#8220;nationalist&#8221; Bosnians, Chechens, Kosovars and Serbs before them&#8211;are manipulated by unscrupulous leaders out to make a buck. It wasn&#8217;t accidental when Marx said &#8220;religion is the opium of the people&#8221;! Meanwhile, real human beings are slaughtered and entire ways of life obliterated; it is, after all, the American way!</p>
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		<title>By: torzan</title>
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		<dc:creator>torzan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US policy in Afghanistan is more akin to the immunization process which occurs when attenuated germs are inoculated into body: yes the germs which only elicit an immune response from the host instead of infecting the body. Parallel is quite striking here: US-NATO half hearted approach to Afghanistan has resulted in strengthening the terrorists virulent Islamists rather then eliminating them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US policy in Afghanistan is more akin to the immunization process which occurs when attenuated germs are inoculated into body: yes the germs which only elicit an immune response from the host instead of infecting the body. Parallel is quite striking here: US-NATO half hearted approach to Afghanistan has resulted in strengthening the terrorists virulent Islamists rather then eliminating them.</p>
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		<title>By: John S. Hatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>John S. Hatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>American policy in Afghanistan: more narcotics, more dead civilians, no progress, no end in sight, no learning from history. No hope. No brains.</description>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 17:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what can we expect from US policy makers in afgh&#039;n? 
well, policy makers might think why not use pashtuns, tho led by talibans, to  be the master folk in afgh&#039;n?
in return, we get their permission, to establish military and aircraft bases in pashtunstan.
US can also  &#039;befriend&#039;  uzbeks and tajiks. especially since we know that terrorists, which US was never after, can terrorise much easier from dens than caves.
on this basis i have gone out on a limb and said that US/nato can&#039;t lose in afgh&#039;n and US in iraq.
in add&#039;n, does it matter at all which brand of islam christian lands and empires support at any given time? thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what can we expect from US policy makers in afgh&#8217;n?<br />
well, policy makers might think why not use pashtuns, tho led by talibans, to  be the master folk in afgh&#8217;n?<br />
in return, we get their permission, to establish military and aircraft bases in pashtunstan.<br />
US can also  &#8216;befriend&#8217;  uzbeks and tajiks. especially since we know that terrorists, which US was never after, can terrorise much easier from dens than caves.<br />
on this basis i have gone out on a limb and said that US/nato can&#8217;t lose in afgh&#8217;n and US in iraq.<br />
in add&#8217;n, does it matter at all which brand of islam christian lands and empires support at any given time? thnx</p>
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