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	<title>Comments on: Nuclear Power Can’t Be a Solution to Global Warming Precisely because of Global Warming</title>
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		<title>By: Alan Wilzig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wilzig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a piddlingly weak &quot;argument&quot; against nuclear power. If the seas rise a few FEET most of America&#039;s population will be under water too. What you argue is tantamount to &quot;cutting off our noses&quot; to spite glbal warming. Spent rods ? Ever been out West ? Ever fly into Vegas ? There&#039;s a LOT of places to bury just about ANYTHING 2,000 feet down. You could bury retired nuke PLANTS let alone spent rods. It&#039;s exactly this kind of waffling that prevented ANY nuke plants from being built in the USA. How many times can you use the word &quot;almost&quot; in front of &quot; problem&quot;. Nuclear power has the best safety record in the world. With all respect to those killed and irradiated by Chernobyl......that had a lot more to do with Soviet-era ineptitude than the inherent dangers of nuke power. I have no investments or commercial interests in nuclear anything. I just think it&#039;s SO LONG overdue. Obama will rush approval on the 35 plans planned right now......THAT will be something to really see im follow-through on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a piddlingly weak &#8220;argument&#8221; against nuclear power. If the seas rise a few FEET most of America&#8217;s population will be under water too. What you argue is tantamount to &#8220;cutting off our noses&#8221; to spite glbal warming. Spent rods ? Ever been out West ? Ever fly into Vegas ? There&#8217;s a LOT of places to bury just about ANYTHING 2,000 feet down. You could bury retired nuke PLANTS let alone spent rods. It&#8217;s exactly this kind of waffling that prevented ANY nuke plants from being built in the USA. How many times can you use the word &#8220;almost&#8221; in front of &#8221; problem&#8221;. Nuclear power has the best safety record in the world. With all respect to those killed and irradiated by Chernobyl&#8230;&#8230;that had a lot more to do with Soviet-era ineptitude than the inherent dangers of nuke power. I have no investments or commercial interests in nuclear anything. I just think it&#8217;s SO LONG overdue. Obama will rush approval on the 35 plans planned right now&#8230;&#8230;THAT will be something to really see im follow-through on.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 03:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like coal, it can be made to burn clean and has never hurt anyone.  Nuclear on the other hand produces tons of waste.

There, speaking complete non-sense in an authoritative tone is easy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like coal, it can be made to burn clean and has never hurt anyone.  Nuclear on the other hand produces tons of waste.</p>
<p>There, speaking complete non-sense in an authoritative tone is easy.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim²</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim²</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 16:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brace yourselves for more wormwood falling from the skies! 

I can&#039;t see how they&#039;re going to pull this off in Britain, given the fact that construction &amp; maintenance of these plants will require mostly foreign labour (most likely French contractors) and since we&#039;ve just had wildcat strikes &amp; walkouts from Totals oil refinery due to a few hundred Portugese &amp; Italian workers being hired instead of local labour.  Then you have the demographic problem, who the hell is gonna run the bloody things in 20yrs time without serious investments to fill the skills gap??? 

It was funny to see the BNP (British National Party) trying to seize the moment by sending people in to talk to the strikers, only to be told to FUCK OFF! in as many words :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brace yourselves for more wormwood falling from the skies! </p>
<p>I can&#8217;t see how they&#8217;re going to pull this off in Britain, given the fact that construction &amp; maintenance of these plants will require mostly foreign labour (most likely French contractors) and since we&#8217;ve just had wildcat strikes &amp; walkouts from Totals oil refinery due to a few hundred Portugese &amp; Italian workers being hired instead of local labour.  Then you have the demographic problem, who the hell is gonna run the bloody things in 20yrs time without serious investments to fill the skills gap??? </p>
<p>It was funny to see the BNP (British National Party) trying to seize the moment by sending people in to talk to the strikers, only to be told to FUCK OFF! in as many words :)</p>
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		<title>By: Indiana John</title>
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		<dc:creator>Indiana John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 18:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Jo Shing Yang sure uses a lotta words to say that he will change his tune when the lights go out.
You know, I have a windmill by my driveway. I attached it to my car to see if I could get anywhere by wind power.  Nope, it didn&#039;t even move.
Hmmmm, mabe if I could get a no-nuke windbag to blow my windmill on a still day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Jo Shing Yang sure uses a lotta words to say that he will change his tune when the lights go out.<br />
You know, I have a windmill by my driveway. I attached it to my car to see if I could get anywhere by wind power.  Nope, it didn&#8217;t even move.<br />
Hmmmm, mabe if I could get a no-nuke windbag to blow my windmill on a still day.</p>
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		<title>By: sean mullins</title>
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		<dc:creator>sean mullins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 17:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mention several times that nuclear energy is lethal and talk of it becoming more lethal because of climate change.  Could you please provide some examples of the lethality of nuclear power in the United States?  I googled the subject and was not able to find anything.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mention several times that nuclear energy is lethal and talk of it becoming more lethal because of climate change.  Could you please provide some examples of the lethality of nuclear power in the United States?  I googled the subject and was not able to find anything.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: RaJervey</title>
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		<dc:creator>RaJervey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 14:34:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please note that MIT offers many well respected engineering courses.  But as this article shows, not much in the line of creative writing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please note that MIT offers many well respected engineering courses.  But as this article shows, not much in the line of creative writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 23:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tried to put the truth in my comments the best I could these last few day&#039;s.  I am only one person and fighting the money and power of most of the World&#039;s corporations and policy makers on there payroll sort of.  I have the truth and knowledge on my side and they have Glenn Beck and Hannity you know Fox News and strange commercials they put on TV and  Bjorn Lomborg and James Inhofe and Mitch McConnel.   I know not a fair fight and I think I am so far winning.  See you tomorrow it&#039;s only a day away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tried to put the truth in my comments the best I could these last few day&#8217;s.  I am only one person and fighting the money and power of most of the World&#8217;s corporations and policy makers on there payroll sort of.  I have the truth and knowledge on my side and they have Glenn Beck and Hannity you know Fox News and strange commercials they put on TV and  Bjorn Lomborg and James Inhofe and Mitch McConnel.   I know not a fair fight and I think I am so far winning.  See you tomorrow it&#8217;s only a day away.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A number of climate records have been set across Australia in the last week including: 

Tasmania’s highest temperature on record – with site records broken by large margins in northern and eastern parts of the island. 

Highest temperatures recorded in much of Victoria and southern South Australia since 1939 with Adelaide only missing recording their highest maximum temperature by a small margin. Melbourne recorded a new record temperature of 46.4 degrees on February 7. 

Adelaide experienced the highest minimum temperature on record at 33.9 degrees on January 29. 

The long duration of the event – with records reached for consecutive days over 43 at Adelaide (4) and Melbourne (3). 

In December 2008 Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced that the Australian Federal government will cut Australia&#039;s carbon emissions by five per cent by 2020 and give billions in greenhouse credits to polluting industries. The low level cuts were denounced by Damien Lawson of Friends of the Earth: &quot;A five per cent target locks Australia into runaway climate change. This target will not stop drought, it will not save the Great Barrier Reef, and it will not prevent ice melting and the sea rising,&quot; Mr Lawson said. &quot;This is an emergency and the government must act within this term. Our carbon emissions must peak in the next year and then continuously decrease if we are to have any hope of avoiding catastrophic climate change.&quot; 
According to Mr Lawson emissions cuts of 40 to 50 per cent by 2020 were needed, and he also called for a 100 per cent switch to renewable energy by the same year. Sydney Indymedia


He should figure out what’s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves, Jonathan Schell    And think of this as kind of a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A number of climate records have been set across Australia in the last week including: </p>
<p>Tasmania’s highest temperature on record – with site records broken by large margins in northern and eastern parts of the island. </p>
<p>Highest temperatures recorded in much of Victoria and southern South Australia since 1939 with Adelaide only missing recording their highest maximum temperature by a small margin. Melbourne recorded a new record temperature of 46.4 degrees on February 7. </p>
<p>Adelaide experienced the highest minimum temperature on record at 33.9 degrees on January 29. </p>
<p>The long duration of the event – with records reached for consecutive days over 43 at Adelaide (4) and Melbourne (3). </p>
<p>In December 2008 Prime Minister Kevin Rudd announced that the Australian Federal government will cut Australia&#8217;s carbon emissions by five per cent by 2020 and give billions in greenhouse credits to polluting industries. The low level cuts were denounced by Damien Lawson of Friends of the Earth: &#8220;A five per cent target locks Australia into runaway climate change. This target will not stop drought, it will not save the Great Barrier Reef, and it will not prevent ice melting and the sea rising,&#8221; Mr Lawson said. &#8220;This is an emergency and the government must act within this term. Our carbon emissions must peak in the next year and then continuously decrease if we are to have any hope of avoiding catastrophic climate change.&#8221;<br />
According to Mr Lawson emissions cuts of 40 to 50 per cent by 2020 were needed, and he also called for a 100 per cent switch to renewable energy by the same year. Sydney Indymedia</p>
<p>He should figure out what’s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves, Jonathan Schell    And think of this as kind of a war.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 21:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely reasoned.   Carefully documented.

Per usual, the corporate mainstream media has largely ignored this element of the misnamed stimulus package.

Most of the 69 percent who still support Obama are totally unaware of the essential truths you cite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicely reasoned.   Carefully documented.</p>
<p>Per usual, the corporate mainstream media has largely ignored this element of the misnamed stimulus package.</p>
<p>Most of the 69 percent who still support Obama are totally unaware of the essential truths you cite.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 13:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UPDATE


Volunteer firefighter Captain Nev Jones has been helping to battle blazes in Victoria, Australia. He told the BBC that the speed the fires travelled were &quot;unbelievable&quot;. 

&quot;It wase a thick, dense, dirty fog. There was smoke everywhere. It looked like Armageddon or something from a horror movie. I hope I never experience anything like that again.&quot; 

The fires followed a week when temperatures hit 47C (117F).

TEL AVIV (MarketWatch) -- Australia&#039;s worst fire disaster has killed at least 84 people, destroyed at least 700 homes, and burned a half-million acres of land, media reports said.
Extremely high temperatures and strong winds prompted bush fires that have savaged Victoria, and thousands of firefighters are still struggling to contain fires on several fronts, Australian and international reports said. 
&quot;Hell in all its fury has visited the good people of Victoria in the last 24 hours,&quot; reports quoted Prime Minister Kevin Rudd as telling reporters as he toured the area of the fires on Sunday. 
The premier said the army would deploy to assist emergency-service workers. 
He said that a joint federal and state relief fund of $10 million was set up and he asked Australians to donate to the cause, the Sydney Morning Herald reported. 
The Associated Press reported that temperatures on Saturday reached 117 degrees Fahrenheit, or 47 degrees Celsius. Temperatures dropped on Sunday but officials said that accompanying wind changes could push fires in unpredictable directions, AP reported. 

  Will this get better in the coming years in Australia&#039;, no only harder and in the States California looks to be first for this same thing and in 5 to 7 years then what people. 

The path of ruling through illusion has been tried and failed. It is not open to him. He should figure out what’s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves. It’s a very simple prescription–but light-years away from anything that has been tried in the United States for a very long time. Jonathan Schell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UPDATE</p>
<p>Volunteer firefighter Captain Nev Jones has been helping to battle blazes in Victoria, Australia. He told the BBC that the speed the fires travelled were &#8220;unbelievable&#8221;. </p>
<p>&#8220;It wase a thick, dense, dirty fog. There was smoke everywhere. It looked like Armageddon or something from a horror movie. I hope I never experience anything like that again.&#8221; </p>
<p>The fires followed a week when temperatures hit 47C (117F).</p>
<p>TEL AVIV (MarketWatch) &#8212; Australia&#8217;s worst fire disaster has killed at least 84 people, destroyed at least 700 homes, and burned a half-million acres of land, media reports said.<br />
Extremely high temperatures and strong winds prompted bush fires that have savaged Victoria, and thousands of firefighters are still struggling to contain fires on several fronts, Australian and international reports said.<br />
&#8220;Hell in all its fury has visited the good people of Victoria in the last 24 hours,&#8221; reports quoted Prime Minister Kevin Rudd as telling reporters as he toured the area of the fires on Sunday.<br />
The premier said the army would deploy to assist emergency-service workers.<br />
He said that a joint federal and state relief fund of $10 million was set up and he asked Australians to donate to the cause, the Sydney Morning Herald reported.<br />
The Associated Press reported that temperatures on Saturday reached 117 degrees Fahrenheit, or 47 degrees Celsius. Temperatures dropped on Sunday but officials said that accompanying wind changes could push fires in unpredictable directions, AP reported. </p>
<p>  Will this get better in the coming years in Australia&#8217;, no only harder and in the States California looks to be first for this same thing and in 5 to 7 years then what people. </p>
<p>The path of ruling through illusion has been tried and failed. It is not open to him. He should figure out what’s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves. It’s a very simple prescription–but light-years away from anything that has been tried in the United States for a very long time. Jonathan Schell</p>
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		<title>By: Rod Adams</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rod Adams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 08:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a guy who has operated nuclear power plants in some of the most hostile environments on the planet - deep underwater and on the surface in rough seas - I am not terribly worried that climate changes are going to have any real effect on our ability to produce reliable, clean, useful energy safely with fission based power plants.

The real hope is that we can move past a fossil fuel centric market place where the barriers to entry have been erected by those interested in maintaining their current wealth and power to a world where energy systems are evaluated on a rational set of criteria. These criteria include minimizing resources required per unit power, minimizing waste production, and maximizing reliability. Under rational, objective evaluation criteria, fission would be replacing combustion in nearly every application outside of aircraft propulsion - and even that is possible given a bit more time for technology development and proof of safety testing.

If we can do that, we have a reasonably good chance of slowing, then stopping, then reversing the build-up of not only CO2, but also all of the other polluting emissions from burning coal, oil and gas and dumping the deadly combustion waste products into our shared atmosphere. 

Of course, since the industry that gathers, distributes and consumes those fuels is a multi-trillion dollar per year business, I do not expect that its leaders and sycophants will readily allow easy capturing of their market share. I even expect that they will continue their deceptive marketing techniques that include spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) about atomic fission through every mouthpiece they can hire. Since many anti-nuclear activists have already proven quite willing to take fossil fuel tainted money, I fully expect that the battles will continue for a very long time. 

For those who are truly interested in a human friendly planet with clean air, clean water, abundant resources, and empowered populations, please push past the FUD to learn as much as you can. 

Rod Adams
Publisher, Atomic Insights
Host and producer, The Atomic Show Podcast</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a guy who has operated nuclear power plants in some of the most hostile environments on the planet &#8211; deep underwater and on the surface in rough seas &#8211; I am not terribly worried that climate changes are going to have any real effect on our ability to produce reliable, clean, useful energy safely with fission based power plants.</p>
<p>The real hope is that we can move past a fossil fuel centric market place where the barriers to entry have been erected by those interested in maintaining their current wealth and power to a world where energy systems are evaluated on a rational set of criteria. These criteria include minimizing resources required per unit power, minimizing waste production, and maximizing reliability. Under rational, objective evaluation criteria, fission would be replacing combustion in nearly every application outside of aircraft propulsion &#8211; and even that is possible given a bit more time for technology development and proof of safety testing.</p>
<p>If we can do that, we have a reasonably good chance of slowing, then stopping, then reversing the build-up of not only CO2, but also all of the other polluting emissions from burning coal, oil and gas and dumping the deadly combustion waste products into our shared atmosphere. </p>
<p>Of course, since the industry that gathers, distributes and consumes those fuels is a multi-trillion dollar per year business, I do not expect that its leaders and sycophants will readily allow easy capturing of their market share. I even expect that they will continue their deceptive marketing techniques that include spreading FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) about atomic fission through every mouthpiece they can hire. Since many anti-nuclear activists have already proven quite willing to take fossil fuel tainted money, I fully expect that the battles will continue for a very long time. </p>
<p>For those who are truly interested in a human friendly planet with clean air, clean water, abundant resources, and empowered populations, please push past the FUD to learn as much as you can. </p>
<p>Rod Adams<br />
Publisher, Atomic Insights<br />
Host and producer, The Atomic Show Podcast</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael F. Keller

As to your point regarding the deep religion of technology will save us, we&#039;ll see. The first sign that someone doesn&#039;t have an argument (beyond blind faith) is when they can only make their point by ripping into others without once making a real case, as you have Mr. Keller.

It is not technology, it is the belief that it is the solution to our problem. Intermediate and appropriate technologies make sense as the energy source that allowed industrialization to burgeon diminishes.

I see a world that works. Nothing anti-mankind about that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael F. Keller</p>
<p>As to your point regarding the deep religion of technology will save us, we&#8217;ll see. The first sign that someone doesn&#8217;t have an argument (beyond blind faith) is when they can only make their point by ripping into others without once making a real case, as you have Mr. Keller.</p>
<p>It is not technology, it is the belief that it is the solution to our problem. Intermediate and appropriate technologies make sense as the energy source that allowed industrialization to burgeon diminishes.</p>
<p>I see a world that works. Nothing anti-mankind about that.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 01:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael I clicked on your name and went to your web site.  Nice suit and the schooling you have impressive.  The imagined part of climate change well the people in Australia and Northern China and this summer in California and sea ice and on and on and on.  I mean the pictures I see are they just made up by the left. Now I don&#039;t know about you but I am not left or right or middle thank you the last time I checked I am on the Earth third planet from the Sun and sometimes I go fishing.  A new way of thinking is needed Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael I clicked on your name and went to your web site.  Nice suit and the schooling you have impressive.  The imagined part of climate change well the people in Australia and Northern China and this summer in California and sea ice and on and on and on.  I mean the pictures I see are they just made up by the left. Now I don&#8217;t know about you but I am not left or right or middle thank you the last time I checked I am on the Earth third planet from the Sun and sometimes I go fishing.  A new way of thinking is needed Michael.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By Greg Roberts &#124; February 08, 2009 

Article from:  Australian Associated Press 

THE The Australian army will be brought in to help in the worst bushfires in Victoria&#039;s history.
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd offered army troops to help firefighters control 26 fires around the state that have claimed at least 26 lives, injured hundreds and destroyed hundreds of properties, Premier John Brumby said. 
&quot;The army will become involved, I spoke to the prime minister in the early hours of this morning when I was in Bendigo,&quot; Mr Brumby said. 
&quot;He&#039;s obviously triggered the disaster arrangements, so all of the cash payments are flowing through to families and they commence immediately. 
&quot;There will also be recovery arrangements put in place. I this morning advised the prime minister we&#039;ll accept his offer in terms of the defence forces. 
&quot;They&#039;ll be providing logistics and support. That will tend to be in terms of fuel, logistic support, dozers, some personnel and they will help control what is a very difficult situation.

   The temperature anomalies in many parts of Southern  Australia are 10 (C).  That people is big and Australia is seeing climate change first in a big way nature of the beast.  Think of  Australia and Northern China as a big California.   Honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By Greg Roberts | February 08, 2009 </p>
<p>Article from:  Australian Associated Press </p>
<p>THE The Australian army will be brought in to help in the worst bushfires in Victoria&#8217;s history.<br />
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd offered army troops to help firefighters control 26 fires around the state that have claimed at least 26 lives, injured hundreds and destroyed hundreds of properties, Premier John Brumby said.<br />
&#8220;The army will become involved, I spoke to the prime minister in the early hours of this morning when I was in Bendigo,&#8221; Mr Brumby said.<br />
&#8220;He&#8217;s obviously triggered the disaster arrangements, so all of the cash payments are flowing through to families and they commence immediately.<br />
&#8220;There will also be recovery arrangements put in place. I this morning advised the prime minister we&#8217;ll accept his offer in terms of the defence forces.<br />
&#8220;They&#8217;ll be providing logistics and support. That will tend to be in terms of fuel, logistic support, dozers, some personnel and they will help control what is a very difficult situation.</p>
<p>   The temperature anomalies in many parts of Southern  Australia are 10 (C).  That people is big and Australia is seeing climate change first in a big way nature of the beast.  Think of  Australia and Northern China as a big California.   Honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael F. Keller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael F. Keller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty much &quot;reducto absurdum&quot; tripe from the anti-mankind left.

Technology will get us out of the energy crisis as well as the real or imagined climate change problem. Kindly get out of the way ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty much &#8220;reducto absurdum&#8221; tripe from the anti-mankind left.</p>
<p>Technology will get us out of the energy crisis as well as the real or imagined climate change problem. Kindly get out of the way &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the best I can tell unemployment just in the States this time next year well be double and maybe more.  In LA right now it is 10% and headed North that&#039;s a Wall Street term meaning going up.  Say a miracle happens and we do get the economy&#039;s going again well 85 million barrels a day that&#039;s it for oil Worldwide.  Because of climate change and what is already happening food Worldwide still a big problem and getting worst.  That miracle is not going to happen with that unemployment in LA and going up how soon before we see unrest maybe a better word is chaos and troops and that is just LA there is the other 49 States and cities and towns.  

 The contemporary crises are interwoven, forming a kind of Gordian knot. The world does not have the luxury of dealing with them seriatim.
We’ll all have to have something quite different. Jonathan Schell 

     What would be something quite different?

The path of ruling through illusion has been tried and failed. It is not open to him. He should figure out what’s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves. It’s a very simple prescription–but light-years away from anything that has been tried in the United States for a very long time. Jonathan Schell

  Well put and do you read DV Barack?   Ruling through illusion is over and you sure couldn&#039;t tell that by watching the Senate or much of the news but darn close to be see by all. Muglamumblebrain are you out there if so tell people what is happening with that little drought problem and now fires in Australia.

He should figure out what’s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves and think of this as kind of a war.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the best I can tell unemployment just in the States this time next year well be double and maybe more.  In LA right now it is 10% and headed North that&#8217;s a Wall Street term meaning going up.  Say a miracle happens and we do get the economy&#8217;s going again well 85 million barrels a day that&#8217;s it for oil Worldwide.  Because of climate change and what is already happening food Worldwide still a big problem and getting worst.  That miracle is not going to happen with that unemployment in LA and going up how soon before we see unrest maybe a better word is chaos and troops and that is just LA there is the other 49 States and cities and towns.  </p>
<p> The contemporary crises are interwoven, forming a kind of Gordian knot. The world does not have the luxury of dealing with them seriatim.<br />
We’ll all have to have something quite different. Jonathan Schell </p>
<p>     What would be something quite different?</p>
<p>The path of ruling through illusion has been tried and failed. It is not open to him. He should figure out what’s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves. It’s a very simple prescription–but light-years away from anything that has been tried in the United States for a very long time. Jonathan Schell</p>
<p>  Well put and do you read DV Barack?   Ruling through illusion is over and you sure couldn&#8217;t tell that by watching the Senate or much of the news but darn close to be see by all. Muglamumblebrain are you out there if so tell people what is happening with that little drought problem and now fires in Australia.</p>
<p>He should figure out what’s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves and think of this as kind of a war.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 21:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Kenney,

You are mis-stating the problem. It is NOT energy independence. It is net energy. Climate change and net energy are spiraling together. This is not necessarily causal in nature.

But again, independence is the short-term issue which keeps us tied to endless unsustainable growth paradigm. We cannot afford to think like that and hope to have a future generation of the human species.

I guess the question to your &quot;energy independence&quot; is: independent of what? The forces of nature? Because it is the latter we must deal with. It is the force of nature which is the reality that is barreling down on us, but foreign oil. 

We are fast reaching where the net energy to obtain energy is being exceeded. In other words, our independence is not about a &quot;mix&quot; but about a whole new life style which reduces the complexity of the industrial age we have all grown up in. It will be simplier, slower, and more condusive to non-material, personal growth. But the choice is ours.

If continue on this same jouney, looking for technical fixes, and indendence from fossil without he single most important change - an overhaul of our economics, then we are doomed. The other choice is a little like the picture I tried to paint in the previous paragraph.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Kenney,</p>
<p>You are mis-stating the problem. It is NOT energy independence. It is net energy. Climate change and net energy are spiraling together. This is not necessarily causal in nature.</p>
<p>But again, independence is the short-term issue which keeps us tied to endless unsustainable growth paradigm. We cannot afford to think like that and hope to have a future generation of the human species.</p>
<p>I guess the question to your &#8220;energy independence&#8221; is: independent of what? The forces of nature? Because it is the latter we must deal with. It is the force of nature which is the reality that is barreling down on us, but foreign oil. </p>
<p>We are fast reaching where the net energy to obtain energy is being exceeded. In other words, our independence is not about a &#8220;mix&#8221; but about a whole new life style which reduces the complexity of the industrial age we have all grown up in. It will be simplier, slower, and more condusive to non-material, personal growth. But the choice is ours.</p>
<p>If continue on this same jouney, looking for technical fixes, and indendence from fossil without he single most important change &#8211; an overhaul of our economics, then we are doomed. The other choice is a little like the picture I tried to paint in the previous paragraph.</p>
<p>max</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if Mr Yang is right in everything he says, and even if it applies to countries other than the US, the issue which will decide the question is not climate change but energy independence. Here in Europe, &quot;mix&quot; is the operative word: more economical use of energy, both in terms of eliminating waste and learning to live in a more energy-efficient way, a variety of sources, such as wind, solar panels, hydropower, including the sea, oil, coal, biofuels etc. It sems odd to totally exclude nuclear power from that mix.

On a lighter note, I was amused to see that corporate monopolies emit greenhouse gases. Those sort of people certainly do have a tendency to bullshit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if Mr Yang is right in everything he says, and even if it applies to countries other than the US, the issue which will decide the question is not climate change but energy independence. Here in Europe, &#8220;mix&#8221; is the operative word: more economical use of energy, both in terms of eliminating waste and learning to live in a more energy-efficient way, a variety of sources, such as wind, solar panels, hydropower, including the sea, oil, coal, biofuels etc. It sems odd to totally exclude nuclear power from that mix.</p>
<p>On a lighter note, I was amused to see that corporate monopolies emit greenhouse gases. Those sort of people certainly do have a tendency to bullshit!</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 20:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max I read that very good one of the best and here is some of what he wrote.


A fourth crisis is the ecological one, comprising global warming, the wholesale human-caused annihilation of species, population growth, water and land shortage, and much else. Like nuclear danger, the planetary ecological crisis threatens something that has never been at stake before our era: the natural foundations of life on which humans and all species depend for survival. Economic and military ups and downs are for a season only. Extinction is forever. 

The contemporary crises are interwoven, forming a kind of Gordian knot. The world does not have the luxury of dealing with them seriatim.

We&#039;ll all have to have something quite different. 

All the crises are characterized by double standards, which everywhere block the way to solutions. One group of nations, led by the United States, lays claim to the lion&#039;s share of the world&#039;s wealth, to an exclusive right to possess nuclear weapons, to a disproportionate right to pollute the environment and even to a dominant position in world councils, while everyone else is expected to accept second-class status. But since solutions to all the crises must be global to succeed, and global agreement can only be based on equity, the path to success is cut off. 

The &quot;uncertainty&quot; about global warming--cooked up by political hacks and backed by self-interested energy companies--is fake, but the Arctic ice is melting anyway. 

Reality was not the field of operation in which you acted, and whose limits you must respect; it was, like a play or movie, a scenario to be penned by human authors. Fact had to adjust to ideology, not the other way around. 

The path of ruling through illusion has been tried and failed. It is not open to him. He should figure out what&#039;s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves. It&#039;s a very simple prescription--but light-years away from anything that has been tried in the United States for a very long time.  Jonathan Schell

     As I am witting this I am watching the Senate and old, tired, the same old way of thinking is what I see.  We need bold, a new way of thinking, reason not illusion and the time is now as we are all out of time.  One million to start at the Capital one voice and more will join I know they will.  Who can get this started I will help you if I can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max I read that very good one of the best and here is some of what he wrote.</p>
<p>A fourth crisis is the ecological one, comprising global warming, the wholesale human-caused annihilation of species, population growth, water and land shortage, and much else. Like nuclear danger, the planetary ecological crisis threatens something that has never been at stake before our era: the natural foundations of life on which humans and all species depend for survival. Economic and military ups and downs are for a season only. Extinction is forever. </p>
<p>The contemporary crises are interwoven, forming a kind of Gordian knot. The world does not have the luxury of dealing with them seriatim.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll all have to have something quite different. </p>
<p>All the crises are characterized by double standards, which everywhere block the way to solutions. One group of nations, led by the United States, lays claim to the lion&#8217;s share of the world&#8217;s wealth, to an exclusive right to possess nuclear weapons, to a disproportionate right to pollute the environment and even to a dominant position in world councils, while everyone else is expected to accept second-class status. But since solutions to all the crises must be global to succeed, and global agreement can only be based on equity, the path to success is cut off. </p>
<p>The &#8220;uncertainty&#8221; about global warming&#8211;cooked up by political hacks and backed by self-interested energy companies&#8211;is fake, but the Arctic ice is melting anyway. </p>
<p>Reality was not the field of operation in which you acted, and whose limits you must respect; it was, like a play or movie, a scenario to be penned by human authors. Fact had to adjust to ideology, not the other way around. </p>
<p>The path of ruling through illusion has been tried and failed. It is not open to him. He should figure out what&#8217;s wrong with America and the world, honestly and directly communicate his findings to the public, do his best to fix things and then let the results speak for themselves. It&#8217;s a very simple prescription&#8211;but light-years away from anything that has been tried in the United States for a very long time.  Jonathan Schell</p>
<p>     As I am witting this I am watching the Senate and old, tired, the same old way of thinking is what I see.  We need bold, a new way of thinking, reason not illusion and the time is now as we are all out of time.  One million to start at the Capital one voice and more will join I know they will.  Who can get this started I will help you if I can.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don Hawkins, there are no leaders. To lead we must face the problem head on; must deal with reality as it is not from some ideological hocus-pocus or through the power of plutocrats.

To be a leader you must be dangerous to the status quo. And so far, we have none of that.

Jonathan Schell wrote a pretty good piece in the Nation on this. He talks in terms of Obama, but his insights into the collision course is very valuable. The word must get through the usual Mainstream Media.
Schell in The Nation: http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090209/schell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don Hawkins, there are no leaders. To lead we must face the problem head on; must deal with reality as it is not from some ideological hocus-pocus or through the power of plutocrats.</p>
<p>To be a leader you must be dangerous to the status quo. And so far, we have none of that.</p>
<p>Jonathan Schell wrote a pretty good piece in the Nation on this. He talks in terms of Obama, but his insights into the collision course is very valuable. The word must get through the usual Mainstream Media.<br />
Schell in The Nation: <a href="http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090209/schell" rel="nofollow">http://www.thenation.com/doc/20090209/schell</a></p>
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