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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38380</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the topic of boycott, I would add, that with the collapse of the US empire, much will be radically altered in the &quot;balance&quot; of power and particularly with the state of Israel. Israel better find a way to make her enemies friends real fast. And for me, that means ROR and one state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of boycott, I would add, that with the collapse of the US empire, much will be radically altered in the &#8220;balance&#8221; of power and particularly with the state of Israel. Israel better find a way to make her enemies friends real fast. And for me, that means ROR and one state.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38379</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:39:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris I agree with the accuracy of your statement regarding Chomsky&#039;s stated position.

While I fully support a boycott, it must be planned and executed with some understanding of how to increase chances of a potent impact. Chomsky offers a practical warning.

But, let&#039;s all be clear. Chomsky was writting on these matters way before anyone else would say a WORD. Back in the 60s and 70s he was cutting into the Zionist/Israeli state and the US Imperial Empire. His world-view is clear with solid historical body of evidence to support his conclusions.

Never once have I gotten from Chomsky a sense of dogma, quite the opposite. You can disagree (as I do on a couple of important points) with him, but his arguments are always fact based and not based on emotional sense of personal destiny.

We make far too much of him by holding him up as a symbol of obstructionism. He seems only to be taunting people  to think for ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris I agree with the accuracy of your statement regarding Chomsky&#8217;s stated position.</p>
<p>While I fully support a boycott, it must be planned and executed with some understanding of how to increase chances of a potent impact. Chomsky offers a practical warning.</p>
<p>But, let&#8217;s all be clear. Chomsky was writting on these matters way before anyone else would say a WORD. Back in the 60s and 70s he was cutting into the Zionist/Israeli state and the US Imperial Empire. His world-view is clear with solid historical body of evidence to support his conclusions.</p>
<p>Never once have I gotten from Chomsky a sense of dogma, quite the opposite. You can disagree (as I do on a couple of important points) with him, but his arguments are always fact based and not based on emotional sense of personal destiny.</p>
<p>We make far too much of him by holding him up as a symbol of obstructionism. He seems only to be taunting people  to think for ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38374</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calling Chomsky a covert Zionist agent because he disagrees with you  is incredibly childish. All he says about the economic boycott of Israel is that it won&#039;t be possible to implement unless there is mass activism and education about the plight of the Palestinians that will motivate a significant number of people to take part in the boycott.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calling Chomsky a covert Zionist agent because he disagrees with you  is incredibly childish. All he says about the economic boycott of Israel is that it won&#8217;t be possible to implement unless there is mass activism and education about the plight of the Palestinians that will motivate a significant number of people to take part in the boycott.</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38361</link>
		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chomsky decades long misdirections and disinformation his interference with any economic boycott of Israel and denials of the Israel Lobby has effectively stunt solidarity on the American Left.  The net effect of Chomsky&#039;s iconic influence on the Left has crippled any real confrontation of Zionism permitting it to flourish in the USA.

What Chomsky &quot;fails to see&quot; which is &quot;quite obvious&quot; is he role he has played for nearly 40 years in aiding and abetting in the rise of Zionism -- a racist ideology.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chomsky decades long misdirections and disinformation his interference with any economic boycott of Israel and denials of the Israel Lobby has effectively stunt solidarity on the American Left.  The net effect of Chomsky&#8217;s iconic influence on the Left has crippled any real confrontation of Zionism permitting it to flourish in the USA.</p>
<p>What Chomsky &#8220;fails to see&#8221; which is &#8220;quite obvious&#8221; is he role he has played for nearly 40 years in aiding and abetting in the rise of Zionism &#8212; a racist ideology.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38350</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Yes, Hamas execution of Gaza Fatah members was a massacre.]

If there was an execution, it could have been related to action of a thug by the name of Mohammed Dahlan,  a Palestinian who spy on his own people for Israel  and is part of the security team around puppet Mahmud Abbas, and helps Israeli military to locate Hamas leaders so the military can  kill them to eliminate leaders of Palestinian people who resist  zionist fascists in occupied land. 

A senior Hamas official alleged to TIME magazine  that Dahlan appeared in El Arish, an Egyptian coastal town near Gaza, shortly before the Israel attack, and had sent in Fatah loyalists to &quot;cooperate with the Israelis&quot; on the ground  in hunting down Hamas commanders. Hamas officials say their allegation is based on interrogation of suspected collaborators accused of helping to pinpoint Hamas&#039; hideouts and weapons caches for Israeli targeting. The objective, say Hamas officials, was to help Israel decimate Hamas activists in the hope of reestablishing Fatah control in Gaza.  

This is the result of brutal Israeli occupation where  keeps Palestinian poor, dispossessed and divided to use them in the game of  divide and rule  against each others to advance Israel  expansionist policy. 
 
Contrary to whatever Chomsky says this has not been designed by the US.  This is Israelis&#039; own crimes against humanity and those Zionists who support the policy around the world.  This is NOT US-Israel holocaust of Gaza rather is ISRAELI made Holocaust in GAZA and the zionist population inside and outside  the occupied Palestine who supports such a crime.
For the first time, at least for me,   I saw in the following link, that Chomsky has referred to Zionist delaying tactics to take over more land:
{I also agree that Israel &quot;can continue to live with an unresolved conflict.&quot; In fact, a leading principle of Zionist doctrine long before the state was established, and continuing since, has been to try to delay diplomacy while establishing &quot;facts on the ground,&quot; to determine the contours of some eventual settlement.  That is exactly what is happening now.}
He still cannot spell out  that Israel, not the United States, is afraid of ‘peace’ and has no intension of doing so because Zionist policy is based on expansion rather than resolving the conflict to end  the Palestinian tragedy. 
http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/20518</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Yes, Hamas execution of Gaza Fatah members was a massacre.]</p>
<p>If there was an execution, it could have been related to action of a thug by the name of Mohammed Dahlan,  a Palestinian who spy on his own people for Israel  and is part of the security team around puppet Mahmud Abbas, and helps Israeli military to locate Hamas leaders so the military can  kill them to eliminate leaders of Palestinian people who resist  zionist fascists in occupied land. </p>
<p>A senior Hamas official alleged to TIME magazine  that Dahlan appeared in El Arish, an Egyptian coastal town near Gaza, shortly before the Israel attack, and had sent in Fatah loyalists to &#8220;cooperate with the Israelis&#8221; on the ground  in hunting down Hamas commanders. Hamas officials say their allegation is based on interrogation of suspected collaborators accused of helping to pinpoint Hamas&#8217; hideouts and weapons caches for Israeli targeting. The objective, say Hamas officials, was to help Israel decimate Hamas activists in the hope of reestablishing Fatah control in Gaza.  </p>
<p>This is the result of brutal Israeli occupation where  keeps Palestinian poor, dispossessed and divided to use them in the game of  divide and rule  against each others to advance Israel  expansionist policy. </p>
<p>Contrary to whatever Chomsky says this has not been designed by the US.  This is Israelis&#8217; own crimes against humanity and those Zionists who support the policy around the world.  This is NOT US-Israel holocaust of Gaza rather is ISRAELI made Holocaust in GAZA and the zionist population inside and outside  the occupied Palestine who supports such a crime.<br />
For the first time, at least for me,   I saw in the following link, that Chomsky has referred to Zionist delaying tactics to take over more land:<br />
{I also agree that Israel &#8220;can continue to live with an unresolved conflict.&#8221; In fact, a leading principle of Zionist doctrine long before the state was established, and continuing since, has been to try to delay diplomacy while establishing &#8220;facts on the ground,&#8221; to determine the contours of some eventual settlement.  That is exactly what is happening now.}<br />
He still cannot spell out  that Israel, not the United States, is afraid of ‘peace’ and has no intension of doing so because Zionist policy is based on expansion rather than resolving the conflict to end  the Palestinian tragedy.<br />
<a href="http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/20518" rel="nofollow">http://www.zmag.org/znet/viewArticle/20518</a></p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38186</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 16:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>euros with a cult attacked palestinians before arabs came to their defence.
however, several hundred palestinians had been murdered, thousands of their  villages burned, and over 700,000 inhabitants expelled by the time arab lands came in. 
the reason arab lands cld not come to the rescue of the indigenes prior to many massacres by ashk&#039;m, was beacause UK troops were  stationed in palestine until ashk&#039;m were able to establish their state.
if fact, UK soldiers often fought pals at that time.
UK withdrew from palestine after that, claiming the situation became messy.
in fact UK and UN, composed largely of christian (racist lands) left only after the mission had been accomplished. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>euros with a cult attacked palestinians before arabs came to their defence.<br />
however, several hundred palestinians had been murdered, thousands of their  villages burned, and over 700,000 inhabitants expelled by the time arab lands came in.<br />
the reason arab lands cld not come to the rescue of the indigenes prior to many massacres by ashk&#8217;m, was beacause UK troops were  stationed in palestine until ashk&#8217;m were able to establish their state.<br />
if fact, UK soldiers often fought pals at that time.<br />
UK withdrew from palestine after that, claiming the situation became messy.<br />
in fact UK and UN, composed largely of christian (racist lands) left only after the mission had been accomplished. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38159</link>
		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 03:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dina
Yes, Hamas execution of Gaza Fatah members was a massacre. Watch the video and decide for yourself. You call on us to be more analytical, factual, thoughtful, strip down the narrative and discover the basic truth and then you offer us your truth and &quot;simple facts&quot;: a massacre.

Are you  surprised that EU does not share your portrayal of Hamas firing rockets at civilians as &quot;victims&quot;? Gaza people are victims of Hamas Perdify and abuse of human shields.

&quot;fairly treating two peoples’ equally valid claims to one land&quot;
Since 1947 UN resolution 181, there was a Jewish state and an Arab state. TWO people, TWO lands.
Do you believe that UN 1947  resolution 181 had a &quot;racist basis&quot;?

We know that Palestinian Arabs did not accepted the resolution, Palestinian Jews did and established a state of Israel, which was immediately attacked by Palestinian Arabs and ALL the neighboring Arab countries and then some.

Palestinian State
So let&#039;s go along the time line again, reviewing the facts. 
1949 - Palestinian Arabs and ALL Arab countries waging war agains new state of Israel - FAILED!
Armistice agreement signed in 1949 with Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, (indirectly with Iraq)
West bank and majority of Jerusalem in Jordan control, Gaza in Egyptian control.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Armistice_Agreements

West bank and Gaza were under Arab RULE / CONTROL / OCCUPATION from 1949-1967.
Please, enlight us about  the ACTIONS taken by Palestinian leadership to establish Palestinian state and the RESISTANCE agains their Occupiers: Jordan and Egypt.

Now if there was established a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza anytime between 1949 and 1967, then the Palestinian refugee problem would disappear. You can&#039;t have refugees if they are living in their own state. Now that would not be an OUTCOME that Palestinians and the Arab League would like. What about the VICTIMS and all the money flowing from UNRWA?

Since 1948, Israel was attacked, Arab neighboring states waged war against Israel multiple times and they failed ALL of them and they failed Palestinians.
Yet, it&#039;s an irony that Palestinian  leadership could have only developed under Israeli occupation since 1967. 
Now could you please compare Palestinians quality of life, based on some world acceptable metrics, under occupation by Israel after 1967 vs Jordan / Egypt between 1949 to 1967?

Israel is desparately searching for Peace. If Palestinians are still searching for Justice or Revenge  they will continue, as they have been in the last 60 years, being victims by choice.

I hope they will find the will and empower the leadership to search for Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dina<br />
Yes, Hamas execution of Gaza Fatah members was a massacre. Watch the video and decide for yourself. You call on us to be more analytical, factual, thoughtful, strip down the narrative and discover the basic truth and then you offer us your truth and &#8220;simple facts&#8221;: a massacre.</p>
<p>Are you  surprised that EU does not share your portrayal of Hamas firing rockets at civilians as &#8220;victims&#8221;? Gaza people are victims of Hamas Perdify and abuse of human shields.</p>
<p>&#8220;fairly treating two peoples’ equally valid claims to one land&#8221;<br />
Since 1947 UN resolution 181, there was a Jewish state and an Arab state. TWO people, TWO lands.<br />
Do you believe that UN 1947  resolution 181 had a &#8220;racist basis&#8221;?</p>
<p>We know that Palestinian Arabs did not accepted the resolution, Palestinian Jews did and established a state of Israel, which was immediately attacked by Palestinian Arabs and ALL the neighboring Arab countries and then some.</p>
<p>Palestinian State<br />
So let&#8217;s go along the time line again, reviewing the facts.<br />
1949 &#8211; Palestinian Arabs and ALL Arab countries waging war agains new state of Israel &#8211; FAILED!<br />
Armistice agreement signed in 1949 with Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria, (indirectly with Iraq)<br />
West bank and majority of Jerusalem in Jordan control, Gaza in Egyptian control.<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Armistice_Agreements" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Armistice_Agreements</a></p>
<p>West bank and Gaza were under Arab RULE / CONTROL / OCCUPATION from 1949-1967.<br />
Please, enlight us about  the ACTIONS taken by Palestinian leadership to establish Palestinian state and the RESISTANCE agains their Occupiers: Jordan and Egypt.</p>
<p>Now if there was established a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza anytime between 1949 and 1967, then the Palestinian refugee problem would disappear. You can&#8217;t have refugees if they are living in their own state. Now that would not be an OUTCOME that Palestinians and the Arab League would like. What about the VICTIMS and all the money flowing from UNRWA?</p>
<p>Since 1948, Israel was attacked, Arab neighboring states waged war against Israel multiple times and they failed ALL of them and they failed Palestinians.<br />
Yet, it&#8217;s an irony that Palestinian  leadership could have only developed under Israeli occupation since 1967.<br />
Now could you please compare Palestinians quality of life, based on some world acceptable metrics, under occupation by Israel after 1967 vs Jordan / Egypt between 1949 to 1967?</p>
<p>Israel is desparately searching for Peace. If Palestinians are still searching for Justice or Revenge  they will continue, as they have been in the last 60 years, being victims by choice.</p>
<p>I hope they will find the will and empower the leadership to search for Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38156</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 02:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From 2000-2008 rockets from Palestine killed a total of 18 Israelis.
During that same time span, allergic reactions to peanuts killed 458 Israelis.
Huh? 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL9CKKoEfe8&amp;feature=channel_page#</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From 2000-2008 rockets from Palestine killed a total of 18 Israelis.<br />
During that same time span, allergic reactions to peanuts killed 458 Israelis.<br />
Huh? </p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL9CKKoEfe8&#038;feature=channel_page#" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL9CKKoEfe8&#038;feature=channel_page#</a></p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38113</link>
		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 18:49:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gideon is either deliberately misleading us or forgetting that there is no such a state as israel.
actually, as far as i know israel and US are the only two states that do not recognize the state of israel in any borders.
so for a borderless land to negoatiate peace with another legal entity like the state of palestine amounts to hunting for a snark.

israel= theft of land. israel+palestine=israel.  israe+golan=israel. israel+ part of jordan=israel. israel+plus lebanon=israel. and so on

in fact, at first opportunity, the world will derecognize israel in any size.thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gideon is either deliberately misleading us or forgetting that there is no such a state as israel.<br />
actually, as far as i know israel and US are the only two states that do not recognize the state of israel in any borders.<br />
so for a borderless land to negoatiate peace with another legal entity like the state of palestine amounts to hunting for a snark.</p>
<p>israel= theft of land. israel+palestine=israel.  israe+golan=israel. israel+ part of jordan=israel. israel+plus lebanon=israel. and so on</p>
<p>in fact, at first opportunity, the world will derecognize israel in any size.thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Gideon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gideon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 15:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point by point part 1
In 1961, nearly fifty years after its formation, African National Congress imitated terrorist attacks against government facilities and did not directly target people.
This is no Ghandi  but WOW, what a concept! 

Resistance is not labeled as Terrorism. Targeting civilians and killing as many as you can is Terrorism (including your own people).

In Iraq, is it realistic to ignore that ALL local politics is tribal? Can you really not to acknowledge the fault lines? Naive does not help building new country institutions or practice freedom. Iraq or Afghanistan, the easiest way to test the measure of Tribalism is to see the extent of inter-tribal marriages. 

&quot;True democracy risks the election  Hamas in Gaza more recently.&quot; 
How do you save this baby Democracy after the power fell into the hands that do not have any intentions to maintain it, after they grabbed the power?


Is it about  LAND or JUSTICE ?

The west has been paying for UNRWA since 1948. A refugee agency created only and especially for Palestinians that has not resettled any Palestinians and still classifies 4th generation and Palestinians with Jordanian citizenship as refugees - which not acceptable for any other tens of millions of refugees around the world .  

Israeli Arabs citizens have equal rights. Arabic is the second official language in Israel.  There are 10 Israeli Arab members in Parliament, Supreme Court judge, ...etc

Israel is desperate for Peace and will negotiate with anybody that has the power to govern and deliver on the signed agreement! That creates strange bed fellows, but you need SOMEONE to negotiate and close a deal!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point by point part 1<br />
In 1961, nearly fifty years after its formation, African National Congress imitated terrorist attacks against government facilities and did not directly target people.<br />
This is no Ghandi  but WOW, what a concept! </p>
<p>Resistance is not labeled as Terrorism. Targeting civilians and killing as many as you can is Terrorism (including your own people).</p>
<p>In Iraq, is it realistic to ignore that ALL local politics is tribal? Can you really not to acknowledge the fault lines? Naive does not help building new country institutions or practice freedom. Iraq or Afghanistan, the easiest way to test the measure of Tribalism is to see the extent of inter-tribal marriages. </p>
<p>&#8220;True democracy risks the election  Hamas in Gaza more recently.&#8221;<br />
How do you save this baby Democracy after the power fell into the hands that do not have any intentions to maintain it, after they grabbed the power?</p>
<p>Is it about  LAND or JUSTICE ?</p>
<p>The west has been paying for UNRWA since 1948. A refugee agency created only and especially for Palestinians that has not resettled any Palestinians and still classifies 4th generation and Palestinians with Jordanian citizenship as refugees &#8211; which not acceptable for any other tens of millions of refugees around the world .  </p>
<p>Israeli Arabs citizens have equal rights. Arabic is the second official language in Israel.  There are 10 Israeli Arab members in Parliament, Supreme Court judge, &#8230;etc</p>
<p>Israel is desperate for Peace and will negotiate with anybody that has the power to govern and deliver on the signed agreement! That creates strange bed fellows, but you need SOMEONE to negotiate and close a deal!</p>
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		<title>By: jan</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/justice-for-palestinians-vs-balanced-reporting/#comment-38082</link>
		<dc:creator>jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 12:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The news stories always start with the last Jew who died. It&#039;s been that way for years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news stories always start with the last Jew who died. It&#8217;s been that way for years.</p>
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