Comments on: It Ain’t Over ‘Til It’s Over: Protest the Occupations and Wars of Washington http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/it-aint-over-til-its-over-protest-the-occupations-and-wars-of-washington/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Eric http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/it-aint-over-til-its-over-protest-the-occupations-and-wars-of-washington/#comment-39457 Eric Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:06:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6869#comment-39457 Hi Jacob, Thanks for your question. I do not advocate a draft. Although I do think that Obama's handlers will try to call for one. These wars are wrong and destructive. I appreciate those who are protesting the war now. I hope that more people would call for an end to this war now even though they are not effected by it directly. People do however focus more of their attention on those things that effect them directly first. Elites have used the threat of grave harm to enlist public support for war. Weapons of mass destruction, Iraq. Whether a pacifist will become a warrior is for each pacifist to decide. There was mass protest against Vietnam because there was a draft. All youth were at risk. Its unfortunate but I belive that it would take a draft for some people to be more involved. I am 60 yrs. old. I am an African American man. I was active in the Black student movement and the anti -war movement. I have been politically involved ever since as much as I can. I have tried to, and I attempt to the best of my ability; to live by my beliefs. And yes, if they tried to draft my nephews and neices it would compel me to be more involved. Its time to declare victory and leave Iraq and Afganistan right now! Eric Hi Jacob,
Thanks for your question.
I do not advocate a draft. Although I do think that Obama’s handlers will try to call for one.

These wars are wrong and destructive. I appreciate those who are protesting the war now. I hope that more people would call for an end to this war now even though they are not effected by it directly. People do however focus more of their attention on those things that effect them directly first. Elites have used the threat of grave harm to enlist public support for war. Weapons of mass destruction, Iraq. Whether a pacifist will become a warrior is for each pacifist to decide.

There was mass protest against Vietnam because there was a draft. All youth were at risk. Its unfortunate but I belive that it would take a draft for some people to be more involved.

I am 60 yrs. old. I am an African American man. I was active in the Black student movement and the anti -war movement.
I have been politically involved ever since as much as I can. I have tried to, and I attempt to the best of my ability; to live by my beliefs.
And yes, if they tried to draft my nephews and neices it would compel me to be more involved.

Its time to declare victory and leave Iraq and Afganistan right now!

Eric

]]> By: Jacob http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/it-aint-over-til-its-over-protest-the-occupations-and-wars-of-washington/#comment-39428 Jacob Tue, 24 Feb 2009 01:49:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6869#comment-39428 "Right now it is the poor and working class young that are being pushed into uniform by the economic draft caused by the poor economy of today. I bet if the comfortable collge and middle class Left were confronted by a draft they would get off their rears and demand an end to unjust wars and occcupations." If I understand correctly, by enforcing a national conscription of all young adults, they would begin to protest the injustices in those wars or reasons for war. What if they felt the cause was just, would they not protest? How much would you go to protest your way of life? Does it take great harm to focus the public mood? Does it take great personal catastrophe to turn the pacifists to warriors? I would be interested to see you expand on your point. “Right now it is the poor and working class young that are being pushed into uniform by the economic draft caused by the poor economy of today. I bet if the comfortable collge and middle class Left were confronted by a draft they would get off their rears and demand an end to unjust wars and occcupations.”

If I understand correctly, by enforcing a national conscription of all young adults, they would begin to protest the injustices in those wars or reasons for war. What if they felt the cause was just, would they not protest? How much would you go to protest your way of life? Does it take great harm to focus the public mood? Does it take great personal catastrophe to turn the pacifists to warriors?

I would be interested to see you expand on your point.

]]> By: Eric http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/it-aint-over-til-its-over-protest-the-occupations-and-wars-of-washington/#comment-39397 Eric Mon, 23 Feb 2009 18:03:45 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6869#comment-39397 Terribly disaponting that the Left would trust a corporate democrat like Obama or Wall St to see the light and end these wars and occupations without a demand. The Ameriacn Left is not only irrevalent, it is gutless as well. Right now it is the poor and working class young that are being pushed into uniform by the economic draft caused by the poor economy of today. I bet if the comfortable collge and middle class Left were confronted by a draft they would get off their rears and demand an end to unjust wars and occcupations. Eric Terribly disaponting that the Left would trust a corporate democrat like Obama or Wall St to see the light and end these wars and occupations without a demand. The Ameriacn Left is not only irrevalent, it is gutless as well.

Right now it is the poor and working class young that are being pushed into uniform by the economic draft caused by the poor economy of today. I bet if the comfortable collge and middle class Left were confronted by a draft they would get off their rears and demand an end to unjust wars and occcupations.

Eric

]]> By: Martha http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/it-aint-over-til-its-over-protest-the-occupations-and-wars-of-washington/#comment-39392 Martha Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:10:16 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6869#comment-39392 Eddie, Googled "National Security Network" and that's disgusting. I see Danny Schechter's all over it but he's been drinking Obama Kool Aid for some time. So NSN is going to 'craft' a plan and sell it to us that says Afghanistan war is needed? http://www.upi.com/news/issueoftheday/2009/02/18/Obama_sends_more_troops_to_Afghanistan/UPI-23711234989597/ That's one story. There are many more. It's PNAC for the faux left. Eddie, Googled “National Security Network” and that’s disgusting. I see Danny Schechter’s all over it but he’s been drinking Obama Kool Aid for some time. So NSN is going to ‘craft’ a plan and sell it to us that says Afghanistan war is needed?

http://www.upi.com/news/issueoftheday/2009/02/18/Obama_sends_more_troops_to_Afghanistan/UPI-23711234989597/

That’s one story. There are many more. It’s PNAC for the faux left.

]]> By: Sarah http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/it-aint-over-til-its-over-protest-the-occupations-and-wars-of-washington/#comment-39342 Sarah Sun, 22 Feb 2009 18:17:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6869#comment-39342 For those interested in attending the March 21st March on the Pentagon, go to http://www.PentagonMarch.org. For those interested in attending the March 21st March on the Pentagon, go to http://www.PentagonMarch.org.

]]> By: Eddie http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/it-aint-over-til-its-over-protest-the-occupations-and-wars-of-washington/#comment-39318 Eddie Sun, 22 Feb 2009 09:36:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6869#comment-39318 We need more articles like this one by Ron Jacobs. We are being lied to on a daily basis -- just like in the Bush years -- and War Hawks are gearing up with the "National Security Network" to sell us on why more war is needed. This can't be combatted with one article a week or a month. We need to increase our focus on what the US is actively doing. We need more articles like this one by Ron Jacobs. We are being lied to on a daily basis — just like in the Bush years — and War Hawks are gearing up with the “National Security Network” to sell us on why more war is needed. This can’t be combatted with one article a week or a month. We need to increase our focus on what the US is actively doing.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/it-aint-over-til-its-over-protest-the-occupations-and-wars-of-washington/#comment-39237 bozh Sat, 21 Feb 2009 17:17:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6869#comment-39237 withdrawing right now all of US troops from afgh'n and iraq wld amount to a tacit declaration that US did not know why it ever invaded the two lands. and it wld mean that all those highly priced/prized advisers, generals, cia people were less knowledgeable than a person like me who finished last in his class in each of the three yrs of my schooling. and if US wld in future ever clammor for one more war, wld warmongers be believed? US, i affirm, will stay in iraq and afgh'n and be at the helm. thnx withdrawing right now all of US troops from afgh’n and iraq wld amount to a tacit declaration that US did not know why it ever invaded the two lands.

and it wld mean that all those highly priced/prized advisers, generals, cia people were less knowledgeable than a person like me who finished last in his class in each of the three yrs of my schooling.

and if US wld in future ever clammor for one more war, wld warmongers be believed?

US, i affirm, will stay in iraq and afgh’n and be at the helm. thnx

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