Comments on: Israel’s Subtle Propaganda Strategy http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/israel%e2%80%99s-subtle-propaganda-strategy/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Gideon http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/israel%e2%80%99s-subtle-propaganda-strategy/#comment-38621 Gideon Fri, 13 Feb 2009 05:53:21 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6711#comment-38621 US representative response to a letter from a constituent:Does propaganda, subtle, strategy - a tabloid style promotional title make it easier to focus on author's opinion ? So that what it was about? Then again what that has to do with Israel or propaganda or strategy or subtle? US representatives respond with similar boiler plate responses to local issues. It's not really surprising that boiler plate constituents letters that have been prepared by an organization, get a boiler plate responses. On the other substance if we do focus on Israel and the latest events in Gaza, you can still take the case I mentioned to AI, as it is well documented. US representative response to a letter from a constituent:Does propaganda, subtle, strategy – a tabloid style promotional title make it easier to focus on author’s opinion ?

So that what it was about?

Then again what that has to do with Israel or propaganda or strategy or subtle?

US representatives respond with similar boiler plate responses to local issues. It’s not really surprising that boiler plate constituents letters that have been prepared by an organization, get a boiler plate responses.

On the other substance if we do focus on Israel and the latest events in Gaza, you can still take the case I mentioned to AI, as it is well documented.

]]> By: Dan lieberman http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/israel%e2%80%99s-subtle-propaganda-strategy/#comment-38620 Dan lieberman Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:27:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6711#comment-38620 Godeonq, The AI letter to which I referered was a specific email sent by AI to its membership. AI urged its members to forward this particular email to their congressman. Senator Cardin replied in the manner shown, which I sensed was not appropriate and followed a "line." I neither conveniently missed any press release nor intentionally did “not respond with specifics to any of the humanitarian demands or ignore Amnesty Internationals’ request to: to expand inquiry into Gaza fighting to include evidence of violations by ALL sides” because it served my subtle propaganda. I don't engage in any propaganda, subtle or otherwise. I must add that your comments seem to drift from the specific topic and seem directed to suppport your notions. Do you expect me to examine and discuss every letter written on the subject? Besides one has nothing to do with the other. The question to be answered in this article is: Did Senator Cardin respond honestly to this specific AI email? Who did what to whom is another question which many others have answered. Godeonq,
The AI letter to which I referered was a specific email sent by AI to its membership. AI urged its members to forward this particular email to their congressman. Senator Cardin replied in the manner shown, which I sensed was not appropriate and followed a “line.”

I neither conveniently missed any press release nor intentionally did “not respond with specifics to any of the humanitarian demands or ignore Amnesty Internationals’ request to: to expand inquiry into Gaza fighting to include evidence of violations by ALL sides” because it served my subtle propaganda. I don’t engage in any propaganda, subtle or otherwise. I must add that your comments seem to drift from the specific topic and seem directed to suppport your notions. Do you expect me to examine and discuss every letter written on the subject? Besides one has nothing to do with the other. The question to be answered in this article is: Did Senator Cardin respond honestly to this specific AI email? Who did what to whom is another question which many others have answered.

]]> By: Gideonq http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/israel%e2%80%99s-subtle-propaganda-strategy/#comment-38616 Gideonq Fri, 13 Feb 2009 03:05:44 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6711#comment-38616 AIC calls on UN to expand inquiry into violations by ALL sides in Gaza fighting demanding full accountability Feb 10, 2009 Dear Daniel Did you conveniently miss this press release or did you intentionally "not respond with specifics to any of the humanitarian demands and ignore Amnesty Internationals’ request to: to expand inquiry into Gaza fighting to include evidence of violations by ALL sides" because it served your subtle propaganda? ------------ Amnesty International Press Release http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php? id=ENGUSA20090210001&lang=e&rss=recentnews Amnesty International Calls on United Nations to Expand Inquiry Into Gaza Fighting to Include Evidence of Violations by All Sides Human Rights Organization Says U.N. Must Uphold Full Accountability Contact: Suzanne Trimel, 212-633-4150, strimel@aiusa.org United Nations -- Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon should investigate all alleged violations of international law in the recent Gaza fighting -- by Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups, Amnesty International said. The human rights organization said a limited inquiry that only concentrated attacks on U.N. staff and property was insufficient. ----------- I will give you benefit of the doubt and will provide you with a DOCUMENTED human rights violation that you can take to AIC right now! Hamas execution of Fatah members on YouTube Must see TV, be aware rate R for violence http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWiPnoV_IQk&feature=related These are terrorists wearing masks that shoot from close range THEIR OWN PEOPLE laying face down by a wall with their hands and feet tied and a bag over their head from AK47. Listen to the wailing voices. It sounds like they have brought the families of the executed to be present at the execution. What impact do you think distribution of this clip made on Gaza population? TERROR! AIC calls on UN to expand inquiry into violations by ALL sides in Gaza fighting demanding full accountability
Feb 10, 2009

Dear Daniel

Did you conveniently miss this press release or did you intentionally “not respond with specifics to any of the humanitarian demands and ignore Amnesty Internationals’ request to: to expand inquiry into Gaza fighting to include evidence of violations by ALL sides” because it served your subtle propaganda?

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Amnesty International Press Release
http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?

id=ENGUSA20090210001&lang=e&rss=recentnews
Amnesty International Calls on United Nations to Expand Inquiry Into Gaza Fighting to

Include Evidence of Violations by All Sides
Human Rights Organization Says U.N. Must Uphold Full Accountability
Contact: Suzanne Trimel, 212-633-4150, gro.asuianull@lemirts
United Nations — Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon should investigate all alleged violations

of international law in the recent Gaza fighting — by Israel, Hamas and other Palestinian

armed groups, Amnesty International said. The human rights organization said a limited

inquiry that only concentrated attacks on U.N. staff and property was insufficient.
———–

I will give you benefit of the doubt and will provide you with a DOCUMENTED human rights violation that you can take to AIC right now!

Hamas execution of Fatah members on YouTube
Must see TV, be aware rate R for violence
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWiPnoV_IQk&feature=related

These are terrorists wearing masks that shoot from close range THEIR OWN PEOPLE

laying face down by a wall with their hands and feet tied and a bag over their head from

AK47.

Listen to the wailing voices. It sounds like they have brought the families of the executed

to be present at the execution.

What impact do you think distribution of this clip made on Gaza population?
TERROR!

]]> By: dino http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/israel%e2%80%99s-subtle-propaganda-strategy/#comment-38533 dino Thu, 12 Feb 2009 05:06:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6711#comment-38533 Why Israeli elect right?because the racist s elect right.The mentality of Israeli people had been described very well by Jose Saramago.I took the quote from wikipedia which added that the Saramago's words caused controversy.The fragment is eloquent on how to build intellectual terror:"Israel wants all of us to feel guilty... "Saramago has also aroused controversy as a result of his opposition to Israel's actions in Palestine and Lebanon. In 2002, he wrote in El País, the international Spanish-language paper of record, that Israel brutalizes Palestinians because of Judaism itself. Intoxicated mentally by the messianic dream of a Greater Israel which will finally achieve the expansionist dreams of the most radical Zionism; contaminated by the monstrous and rooted 'certitude' that in this catastrophic and absurd world there exists a people chosen by God and that, consequently, all the actions of an obsessive, psychological and pathologically exclusivist racism are justified; educated and trained in the idea that any suffering that has been inflicted, or is being inflicted, or will be inflicted on everyone else, especially the Palestinians, will always be inferior to that which they themselves suffered in the Holocaust, the Jews endlessly scratch their own wound to keep it bleeding, to make it incurable, and they show it to the world as if it were a banner. Israel seizes hold of the terrible words of God in Deuteronomy: 'Vengeance is mine, and I will be repaid.' Israel wants all of us to feel guilty, directly or indirectly, for the horrors of the Holocaust; Israel wants us to renounce the most elemental critical judgment and for us to transform ourselves into a docile echo of its will.[6]" Why Israeli elect right?because the racist s elect right.The mentality of Israeli people had been described very well by Jose Saramago.I took the quote from wikipedia which added that the Saramago’s words caused controversy.The fragment is eloquent on how to build intellectual terror:”Israel wants all of us to feel guilty…

“Saramago has also aroused controversy as a result of his opposition to Israel’s actions in Palestine and Lebanon. In 2002, he wrote in El País, the international Spanish-language paper of record, that Israel brutalizes Palestinians because of Judaism itself.

Intoxicated mentally by the messianic dream of a Greater Israel which will finally achieve the expansionist dreams of the most radical Zionism; contaminated by the monstrous and rooted ‘certitude’ that in this catastrophic and absurd world there exists a people chosen by God and that, consequently, all the actions of an obsessive, psychological and pathologically exclusivist racism are justified; educated and trained in the idea that any suffering that has been inflicted, or is being inflicted, or will be inflicted on everyone else, especially the Palestinians, will always be inferior to that which they themselves suffered in the Holocaust, the Jews endlessly scratch their own wound to keep it bleeding, to make it incurable, and they show it to the world as if it were a banner. Israel seizes hold of the terrible words of God in Deuteronomy: ‘Vengeance is mine, and I will be repaid.’ Israel wants all of us to feel guilty, directly or indirectly, for the horrors of the Holocaust; Israel wants us to renounce the most elemental critical judgment and for us to transform ourselves into a docile echo of its will.[6]“

]]> By: Barry http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/israel%e2%80%99s-subtle-propaganda-strategy/#comment-38524 Barry Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:52:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6711#comment-38524 TennSoc - Israeli Jews live largely in a state of ignorance about their own history. Both parties - now three parties - and the media all work hard to keep Israelis in a state of continual paranoia. A major survey shows that Israelis do not care a wit about the occupation - they think the occupation is no excuse for bad behavior on the part of Palestinians. Most Israelis don't even know that their country was won via ethnic cleansing - that the Palestinians were mass murdered and terrorized out of the country. Most - or maybe about half - think that Palestinians were welcomed by Israel, but fled of their own accord. (Finally, however, Israeli school textbooks are starting to reflect this 'new' history. I suppose there was finally a lie to big to deny.) Another thing, a goodly percentage of Israelis think that Jews were a majority at the turn of the last century (1899-1900). They have no idea what the true population ratios were. And Jews think Arafat directed the Intifadas. They cannot believe that a people would be fed up enough to take matters into their own hands. Arafat was actually a late arrival to these affairs. Basically, the Israeli public is delusional. That's why they vote wrong every time. This Livni woman is likely the reincarnation of Golda Meier - as racist a person as one could ever imagine. Seems like women in power have to prove their balls are bigger than a guy's. (Regarding an ignorant populace, we see similar behavior and attitudes in the US as well - a deluded population that votes conservative over and over and then when their child or grandchild is born with say, Down's Syndrome, wonder why there is no public funding or support for their plight. Or they'll be out of a job with medical bills up the wazoo but vote Republican because they will stop two gay guys in San Francisco from tying the knot. Same thing in Israel, but worse - because it yields mass murder. TennSoc – Israeli Jews live largely in a state of ignorance about their own history. Both parties – now three parties – and the media all work hard to keep Israelis in a state of continual paranoia. A major survey shows that Israelis do not care a wit about the occupation – they think the occupation is no excuse for bad behavior on the part of Palestinians. Most Israelis don’t even know that their country was won via ethnic cleansing – that the Palestinians were mass murdered and terrorized out of the country. Most – or maybe about half – think that Palestinians were welcomed by Israel, but fled of their own accord. (Finally, however, Israeli school textbooks are starting to reflect this ‘new’ history. I suppose there was finally a lie to big to deny.) Another thing, a goodly percentage of Israelis think that Jews were a majority at the turn of the last century (1899-1900). They have no idea what the true population ratios were. And Jews think Arafat directed the Intifadas. They cannot believe that a people would be fed up enough to take matters into their own hands. Arafat was actually a late arrival to these affairs. Basically, the Israeli public is delusional. That’s why they vote wrong every time. This Livni woman is likely the reincarnation of Golda Meier – as racist a person as one could ever imagine. Seems like women in power have to prove their balls are bigger than a guy’s. (Regarding an ignorant populace, we see similar behavior and attitudes in the US as well – a deluded population that votes conservative over and over and then when their child or grandchild is born with say, Down’s Syndrome, wonder why there is no public funding or support for their plight. Or they’ll be out of a job with medical bills up the wazoo but vote Republican because they will stop two gay guys in San Francisco from tying the knot.
Same thing in Israel, but worse – because it yields mass murder.

]]> By: Tennessee-Socialist http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/israel%e2%80%99s-subtle-propaganda-strategy/#comment-38520 Tennessee-Socialist Thu, 12 Feb 2009 00:42:04 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6711#comment-38520 i cannot understand how can Israeli citizens choose right-wing parties, not even in USA right wing ideology is succeeding i cannot understand how can Israeli citizens choose right-wing parties, not even in USA right wing ideology is succeeding

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/israel%e2%80%99s-subtle-propaganda-strategy/#comment-38494 bozh Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:56:02 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6711#comment-38494 curt goering, one cld ask for an arms embargo on israel and palsetinians only after israel ends the occupation, allows return of expelled people and their descendants (or get compensation if pals agree to that), and establishment not of a 'viable' [what does that mean?] state but of a state as existed prior to june '67. disregarding these factors and dwelling on factors after '67 is to me hunting for the snark. or, worse yet, musings on qassams and what these cause is to me quite disingenuous and will lead to yet another dismal failure and more crimes by US/Irsael/Europe. thnx curt goering,
one cld ask for an arms embargo on israel and palsetinians only after israel ends the occupation, allows return of expelled people and their descendants (or get compensation if pals agree to that), and establishment not of a ‘viable’ [what does that mean?] state but of a state as existed prior to june ’67.

disregarding these factors and dwelling on factors after ’67 is to me hunting for the snark. or, worse yet, musings on qassams and what these cause is to me quite disingenuous and will lead to yet another dismal failure and more crimes by US/Irsael/Europe. thnx

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