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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/biden-vows-to-continue-bush-policy-towards-iran/#comment-38566</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one hopes that the theocratic and plutocratic gov&#039;ts cld be either largely replaced or their powers decreased to some degree without bloodshed.

in a plutocratic country like US,  it can be done via enlightenment or thru strong second party or combining the two.
the same scheme wld work for iran. actually, iranians have much greater chance to eliminate thocracy than USans its plutocracy.

for one thing iranians appear much less indoctrinated/disinformed than amers. so that&#039;s a big plus for iranians. thnx
it seems that the &quot;Dear Leader&quot; in US is not the same as the &quot;Dear Leader&quot;  in korea, iran, syria, afpak&#039;n, iraq, kyrgystan. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one hopes that the theocratic and plutocratic gov&#8217;ts cld be either largely replaced or their powers decreased to some degree without bloodshed.</p>
<p>in a plutocratic country like US,  it can be done via enlightenment or thru strong second party or combining the two.<br />
the same scheme wld work for iran. actually, iranians have much greater chance to eliminate thocracy than USans its plutocracy.</p>
<p>for one thing iranians appear much less indoctrinated/disinformed than amers. so that&#8217;s a big plus for iranians. thnx<br />
it seems that the &#8220;Dear Leader&#8221; in US is not the same as the &#8220;Dear Leader&#8221;  in korea, iran, syria, afpak&#8217;n, iraq, kyrgystan. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 01:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, continuity you can believe in.   

But of course, the whole Obama effort was about performance.   And our spectator oriented, once every four years citizens love it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, continuity you can believe in.   </p>
<p>But of course, the whole Obama effort was about performance.   And our spectator oriented, once every four years citizens love it.</p>
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		<title>By: dino</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In Haaretz today Akiva Eldar trying to explain the succes of Kadima ended the article thus:

Or perhaps the secret Kadima code is in the formula political strategist Reuven Adler used to lead Sharon and Olmert to power and repeated it for Livni: Kill as many Arabs as possible and talk as much as possible about peace.

Today,one of the important newspaper from the free world deals with Ahmadinejad,the enemy of the free world and commented his desire to meet with an American diplomat on mutual respect- a wish which is derided-saying that all what he says are platitudes and he is a joke, a thing that can&#039;t be said about Sharon,Olmert and Livni.
After anyone reads the article the conclusion have to be bomb Iran

On the streets of Tehran, even the hardliners are weary of presidential platitudes

By Katherine Butler

Wednesday, 11 February 2009

It should have been the high point of festivities for the glorious 30th anniversary of Iran&#039;s revolution. But 15 minutes or so into President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad&#039;s speech, people began to leave.

These were supposedly the hardliners, the most loyal and conservative of the President&#039;s constituents, out in big numbers to honour the 1979 uprising. These are the people for whom the &quot;death to America&quot; rhetoric has played best over the years and who, we in the West assume, blindly back an uncompromising Iranian approach to the rest of the world.

Yet among the crowds as Mr Ahmadinejad returned a tentative olive branch to Barack Obama, there was a strong sense that even these people were weary with the ritual denunciations and might be ready to contemplate a reconciliation with the US. There was also a firm hint that at least some, even in this flag-waving throng, were underwhelmed by Mr Ahmadinejad himself.

Down in the front rows of the crowd, the chador-wearing women chanted with gusto. But where I stood, directly beneath the Azadi, or Liberty, monument – a 1970s-built monstrosity that symbolises the revolution – it felt more like a predictable football game as people chatted and joked during the speech and then, too soon perhaps as it turned out, headed early for the exits. &quot;He&#039;s talking bullshit,&quot; one man said to another as they left.

At that moment, Mr Ahmadinejad was boasting about aluminium production, the number of new phone lines installed and an apparent massive boost in tourism. &quot;Is he talking about Iran?&quot; one woman muttered to her husband. No mention of the 20 per cent inflation, chronic unemployment and economic crisis. And when Mr Ahmadinejad said Iran owed everything to Allah, another man quipped: &quot;Let&#039;s hope he doesn&#039;t blame the high prices on God.&quot;

Many were genuinely moved, carrying placards saying &quot;30 years of freedom, 30 years of glory&quot;. Somayeh Shahi, 23, a student, confided that she &quot;hated&quot; the US and didn&#039;t believe Mr Obama. &quot;We don&#039;t trust him,&quot; she said. But the numbers were unimpressive (about 400,000 out of a city population of 10 million) for such an auspicious anniversary. And while there were no roars of approval when the President said he would be ready for dialogue, some in the crowd had already decided he should.&quot;Yes it would be better for us to speak to Obama,&quot; said Majid Ahmadi. &quot;But the Americans must listen.&quot;

And among the millions of Iranians who stayed away, most, even if they support a tough nuclear policy, long for an end to isolation and reconciliation with the US. &quot;You in the West have to decode what is going on,&quot; said a student who sums up the Iranian paradox. She wears a full chador, yet thinks her President is &quot;a joke&quot; who has needlessly picked fights with the world Iranians never wanted. &quot;People in Iran are not opposed to engagement with the US, as long as it is on equal terms.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Haaretz today Akiva Eldar trying to explain the succes of Kadima ended the article thus:</p>
<p>Or perhaps the secret Kadima code is in the formula political strategist Reuven Adler used to lead Sharon and Olmert to power and repeated it for Livni: Kill as many Arabs as possible and talk as much as possible about peace.</p>
<p>Today,one of the important newspaper from the free world deals with Ahmadinejad,the enemy of the free world and commented his desire to meet with an American diplomat on mutual respect- a wish which is derided-saying that all what he says are platitudes and he is a joke, a thing that can&#8217;t be said about Sharon,Olmert and Livni.<br />
After anyone reads the article the conclusion have to be bomb Iran</p>
<p>On the streets of Tehran, even the hardliners are weary of presidential platitudes</p>
<p>By Katherine Butler</p>
<p>Wednesday, 11 February 2009</p>
<p>It should have been the high point of festivities for the glorious 30th anniversary of Iran&#8217;s revolution. But 15 minutes or so into President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad&#8217;s speech, people began to leave.</p>
<p>These were supposedly the hardliners, the most loyal and conservative of the President&#8217;s constituents, out in big numbers to honour the 1979 uprising. These are the people for whom the &#8220;death to America&#8221; rhetoric has played best over the years and who, we in the West assume, blindly back an uncompromising Iranian approach to the rest of the world.</p>
<p>Yet among the crowds as Mr Ahmadinejad returned a tentative olive branch to Barack Obama, there was a strong sense that even these people were weary with the ritual denunciations and might be ready to contemplate a reconciliation with the US. There was also a firm hint that at least some, even in this flag-waving throng, were underwhelmed by Mr Ahmadinejad himself.</p>
<p>Down in the front rows of the crowd, the chador-wearing women chanted with gusto. But where I stood, directly beneath the Azadi, or Liberty, monument – a 1970s-built monstrosity that symbolises the revolution – it felt more like a predictable football game as people chatted and joked during the speech and then, too soon perhaps as it turned out, headed early for the exits. &#8220;He&#8217;s talking bullshit,&#8221; one man said to another as they left.</p>
<p>At that moment, Mr Ahmadinejad was boasting about aluminium production, the number of new phone lines installed and an apparent massive boost in tourism. &#8220;Is he talking about Iran?&#8221; one woman muttered to her husband. No mention of the 20 per cent inflation, chronic unemployment and economic crisis. And when Mr Ahmadinejad said Iran owed everything to Allah, another man quipped: &#8220;Let&#8217;s hope he doesn&#8217;t blame the high prices on God.&#8221;</p>
<p>Many were genuinely moved, carrying placards saying &#8220;30 years of freedom, 30 years of glory&#8221;. Somayeh Shahi, 23, a student, confided that she &#8220;hated&#8221; the US and didn&#8217;t believe Mr Obama. &#8220;We don&#8217;t trust him,&#8221; she said. But the numbers were unimpressive (about 400,000 out of a city population of 10 million) for such an auspicious anniversary. And while there were no roars of approval when the President said he would be ready for dialogue, some in the crowd had already decided he should.&#8221;Yes it would be better for us to speak to Obama,&#8221; said Majid Ahmadi. &#8220;But the Americans must listen.&#8221;</p>
<p>And among the millions of Iranians who stayed away, most, even if they support a tough nuclear policy, long for an end to isolation and reconciliation with the US. &#8220;You in the West have to decode what is going on,&#8221; said a student who sums up the Iranian paradox. She wears a full chador, yet thinks her President is &#8220;a joke&#8221; who has needlessly picked fights with the world Iranians never wanted. &#8220;People in Iran are not opposed to engagement with the US, as long as it is on equal terms.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 19:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whereas from  ?1800-1945 US was largely on missions posibles or missions achievables (and achieved), it has been largely on missions impossibles since that time.
koreas, palestine, &#039;nam, afgh&#039;n, laos, cambodia, pak&#039;n, iran, iraq, syria, russia, china testify to US failures of differing magnitudes for each country.
 
so, who are people who are guiding light in search for elusive peace ala america?
so far, i haven&#039;t heard a word about who these warlords are. it seems to me that army generals, pols are mere tip of the iceberg; there is much, much more underwater; oops, undeground than that. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whereas from  ?1800-1945 US was largely on missions posibles or missions achievables (and achieved), it has been largely on missions impossibles since that time.<br />
koreas, palestine, &#8216;nam, afgh&#8217;n, laos, cambodia, pak&#8217;n, iran, iraq, syria, russia, china testify to US failures of differing magnitudes for each country.</p>
<p>so, who are people who are guiding light in search for elusive peace ala america?<br />
so far, i haven&#8217;t heard a word about who these warlords are. it seems to me that army generals, pols are mere tip of the iceberg; there is much, much more underwater; oops, undeground than that. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. 
No surprises with Biden. He has a long history. I always thought that he was &#039;selected&#039; so the two of them could play &#039;good cop, bad cop&#039;.  Sadly,  it looks like we have two bad cops.
About Iran and nukes - why should the US have any say there. Why should the only nation to have ever used nukes to kill people be the global  nuke police.  Actually, the US should pay reparations to Iran for past offences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article.<br />
No surprises with Biden. He has a long history. I always thought that he was &#8216;selected&#8217; so the two of them could play &#8216;good cop, bad cop&#8217;.  Sadly,  it looks like we have two bad cops.<br />
About Iran and nukes &#8211; why should the US have any say there. Why should the only nation to have ever used nukes to kill people be the global  nuke police.  Actually, the US should pay reparations to Iran for past offences.</p>
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