Comments on: A Modest Proposal http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/a-modest-proposal/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michael Collins http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/a-modest-proposal/#comment-39574 Michael Collins Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:48:58 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6919#comment-39574 RG the LG, I'm not holding my breath that the Iraqi people will ever be given a choice, whether it be through an election or through insight by the U.S. government. Why is it that the 1.2 million dead civilians are never mentioned domestically except in forums like this? The rest of the world knows. It's because our government does not think of the people at all. They're barely an afterthought if they are outside the country and for citizens here, being a feint after thought is doing well. I would like to see people ask this question - Why not let the Iraqi people vote on withdrawal? - and ask it frequently enough so tha tit bubbles up to become part of the dialog. It's like having a abunch of relatives show up for a visit, stay years, and then announce they're taking possession of a bedroom or two. Get the heck out! NOW. As far as breaking up Iraq, that's pretty much in place now. The Sunis have been chased out of Baghdad for the most part, the Kurds are enconsed, and the Shias are wide ranging enough to now have internal conflicts. What holds things together? The payments that the Army is making to various factions to stop them from fighting or turn in others. What a total mess. They want us out, they think they'd be safer. What's our problem? Dreams of empire gone wrong and an inability to admit a huge mistake. RG the LG, I’m not holding my breath that the Iraqi people will ever be given a choice, whether it be through an election or through insight by the U.S. government. Why is it that the 1.2 million dead civilians are never mentioned domestically except in forums like this? The rest of the world knows. It’s because our government does not think of the people at all. They’re barely an afterthought if they are outside the country and for citizens here, being a feint after thought is doing well.

I would like to see people ask this question – Why not let the Iraqi people vote on withdrawal? – and ask it frequently enough so tha tit bubbles up to become part of the dialog.

It’s like having a abunch of relatives show up for a visit, stay years, and then announce they’re taking possession of a bedroom or two. Get the heck out! NOW.

As far as breaking up Iraq, that’s pretty much in place now. The Sunis have been chased out of Baghdad for the most part, the Kurds are enconsed, and the Shias are wide ranging enough to now have internal conflicts. What holds things together? The payments that the Army is making to various factions to stop them from fighting or turn in others. What a total mess.

They want us out, they think they’d be safer. What’s our problem? Dreams of empire gone wrong and an inability to admit a huge mistake.

]]> By: rg the lg http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/a-modest-proposal/#comment-39567 rg the lg Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:30:26 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6919#comment-39567 Modest proposal? Just when has the US ever tolaerated a situation we could not control? An election in Iraq, while we pump gillions of dollars into groups we create via the CIA to manipulate the results, as in the 40 plus countries we 'influence' in Latin America ... Africa ... Asia ... Europe ... Some proposal ... Empires like ours do not allow their surrogates and their lackies ... those thay daunt and control ... to have a real voice. It would be just another exercise in blatant hypocrisy ... something akin to pretending that there is one iota of difference between an O'Bama and a McCain ... RG the LG Modest proposal?
Just when has the US ever tolaerated a situation we could not control?

An election in Iraq, while we pump gillions of dollars into groups we create via the CIA to manipulate the results, as in the 40 plus countries we ‘influence’ in Latin America … Africa … Asia … Europe …

Some proposal …

Empires like ours do not allow their surrogates and their lackies … those thay daunt and control … to have a real voice. It would be just another exercise in blatant hypocrisy … something akin to pretending that there is one iota of difference between an O’Bama and a McCain …

RG the LG

]]> By: Barry http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/a-modest-proposal/#comment-39564 Barry Wed, 25 Feb 2009 17:09:50 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6919#comment-39564 Of course, break-up of Iraq is something Israel likes to see. Playing off regional non-Arab states against Arab states has been their policy all along. On the other hand, it is far past time the Kurds had their own state. But Turkey, Iran and maybe Syria will not be happy about that - and are/will be weighing in with Uncle Sam on that. Of course, break-up of Iraq is something Israel likes to see. Playing off regional non-Arab states against Arab states has been their policy all along. On the other hand, it is far past time the Kurds had their own state. But Turkey, Iran and maybe Syria will not be happy about that – and are/will be weighing in with Uncle Sam on that.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/02/a-modest-proposal/#comment-39560 bozh Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:52:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=6919#comment-39560 in '94 clinton may have realized that it wld be easier to control serbia and croatia if nato wldn't help them get chunks of bosnia. around that time, nato must have opted for break up of yugoslavia. by that time, it became known that the serbs were waging wars for an expanded serbia and not for preservation of tito's yugoslavia. iraq and yugoslavia are empires. iraq had been dysfunctional ever since it was established and today may be more dysfunctional than ever. how to make it to function? but first, let us consider how wld have US functioned composed of three peoples: 'jews', anglosaxons/brits, and french? and with three cults: judaism, catholicism, and other christians? it wld be, i deduce, a chaotic situation just like in iraq and afgh'n. so, is US toying with the idea of de facto break up of iraq? giving iraqi kurds what they want makes iran more vulnerable. there is no question that nato/US/isr want also to destroy iran. nato/US, by establishing numerous new states in the region, can much more easily control all of them. and by merely favoring one over others and changing favorite pets from time to time. not much troops wld be needed- just advisers. thnx in ’94 clinton may have realized that it wld be easier to control serbia and croatia if nato wldn’t help them get chunks of bosnia.

around that time, nato must have opted for break up of yugoslavia. by that time, it became known that the serbs were waging wars for an expanded serbia and not for preservation of tito’s yugoslavia.

iraq and yugoslavia are empires. iraq had been dysfunctional ever since it was established and today may be more dysfunctional than ever.
how to make it to function? but first, let us consider how wld have US functioned composed of three peoples: ‘jews’, anglosaxons/brits, and french?
and with three cults: judaism, catholicism, and other christians?

it wld be, i deduce, a chaotic situation just like in iraq and afgh’n.
so, is US toying with the idea of de facto break up of iraq?
giving iraqi kurds what they want makes iran more vulnerable.

there is no question that nato/US/isr want also to destroy iran. nato/US, by establishing numerous new states in the region, can much more easily control all of them.

and by merely favoring one over others and changing favorite pets from time to time. not much troops wld be needed- just advisers. thnx

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