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		<title>By: Hilary Smith</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-38031</link>
		<dc:creator>Hilary Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 19:09:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Volunteer with your local unions. Organize your own shops. So many of us have nothing left to lose.</description>
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		<title>By: OnTheBlock</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36554</link>
		<dc:creator>OnTheBlock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 19:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A recent court decision that affected my industry was this:  The large corporation for whom some 10,000 of us work in the USA, was forced to settle a class action suit for wage cheating (we are paid by production, and predictably, they found ways to shortchange us by their counting methods).  While allowed to settle with a no-wrongdoing judgment, the company requested -- and the judge allowed --that the large settlement not be paid to those workers who were robbed, but to a 3rd-party professional organization to whom this company has been contributing large sums of money for years.  Not surprisingly, this professional organization, while pretending to represent the worker&#039;s rights, has consistently promoted the selling of our work offshore and even changed common English in order to accomodate the corporation&#039;s desire to pay us less (we produce written documents and are commonly paid per keystroke).  

It sounds complicated, but in short, the workers who were DUE the money were denied it, instead having to suffer the indignity of seeing their unpaid wages go to the very entity responsible for promoting the offshoring of their American jobs.  This, by court order, and a judge supposedly looking after the interests of American workers.

How can anything change, when our legal system, and therefore our right to redress, is as thoroughly corrupt and anti-labor as the large corporations themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A recent court decision that affected my industry was this:  The large corporation for whom some 10,000 of us work in the USA, was forced to settle a class action suit for wage cheating (we are paid by production, and predictably, they found ways to shortchange us by their counting methods).  While allowed to settle with a no-wrongdoing judgment, the company requested &#8212; and the judge allowed &#8211;that the large settlement not be paid to those workers who were robbed, but to a 3rd-party professional organization to whom this company has been contributing large sums of money for years.  Not surprisingly, this professional organization, while pretending to represent the worker&#8217;s rights, has consistently promoted the selling of our work offshore and even changed common English in order to accomodate the corporation&#8217;s desire to pay us less (we produce written documents and are commonly paid per keystroke).  </p>
<p>It sounds complicated, but in short, the workers who were DUE the money were denied it, instead having to suffer the indignity of seeing their unpaid wages go to the very entity responsible for promoting the offshoring of their American jobs.  This, by court order, and a judge supposedly looking after the interests of American workers.</p>
<p>How can anything change, when our legal system, and therefore our right to redress, is as thoroughly corrupt and anti-labor as the large corporations themselves?</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36462</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 04:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Suitable, but not enough.&quot;

That&#039;s exactly right. Not paying agreed upon wages is a crime, and should result in jail time. It&#039;s ridiculous that the only &quot;penalty&quot; is having to pay the wages an employer should have paid in the first place.

Do individuals receive such treatment? If I fail to pay a shopkeeper for something, when I&#039;m caught do I simply have to then give the item back, or do I go to jail for shoplifting? People recognize the former as absurd, but most do not draw the obvious parallel to businesses.

There are two sets of rules in America - one for businesses and one for individuals. Businesses are often run by criminals since those criminals when caught do not go to jail - they keep running the business.

Crime pays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Suitable, but not enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s exactly right. Not paying agreed upon wages is a crime, and should result in jail time. It&#8217;s ridiculous that the only &#8220;penalty&#8221; is having to pay the wages an employer should have paid in the first place.</p>
<p>Do individuals receive such treatment? If I fail to pay a shopkeeper for something, when I&#8217;m caught do I simply have to then give the item back, or do I go to jail for shoplifting? People recognize the former as absurd, but most do not draw the obvious parallel to businesses.</p>
<p>There are two sets of rules in America &#8211; one for businesses and one for individuals. Businesses are often run by criminals since those criminals when caught do not go to jail &#8211; they keep running the business.</p>
<p>Crime pays.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36409</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 12:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The get-away 

 As the light just breaks in the Eastern sky or is it the Western sky a helicopter just reaches building 133 in New York City.  It stay&#039;s over Bernie&#039;s penthouse just long enough for another helicopter a news copter to get in place.  A rope ladder is dropped from the fist copter and a man runs to the ladder and begins to climb as the helicopter heads South along with the WTVV copter.  Talk about good TV.  As this is all happening 200 police cars reach building 133 and storm the building.  When they reach the penthouse no Bernie just a camera man and a women reporter.  The camera man has on a coat that reads camera crew on the back and the reporter has a note pad and pen.  The camera man has on a hat and dark glasses and is backing down the hall way to the elevator.  As most people are watching the helicopter fly South the camera man and the reporter reach the ground floor and back out to a van that of course say&#039;s WTVV on the side.  That van then heads North with Bernie and his wife.  Like Bernie that camera is not real but made of Styrofoam and a good paint job kind of like his house in Palm Beach.  Just outside the city Bernie and wife change to a Prius hybrid and head for Boston the port.  The helicopter lands in little over an hour in New Baltimore and no Bernie because he and his wife are about to get on a freighter headed for Africa.  As the ship leaves port on the back you can just make out the name, eye of the serpent.  What happens after that heck I don&#039;t know maybe they reach Africa and find drought, famine, bugs and unrest</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The get-away </p>
<p> As the light just breaks in the Eastern sky or is it the Western sky a helicopter just reaches building 133 in New York City.  It stay&#8217;s over Bernie&#8217;s penthouse just long enough for another helicopter a news copter to get in place.  A rope ladder is dropped from the fist copter and a man runs to the ladder and begins to climb as the helicopter heads South along with the WTVV copter.  Talk about good TV.  As this is all happening 200 police cars reach building 133 and storm the building.  When they reach the penthouse no Bernie just a camera man and a women reporter.  The camera man has on a coat that reads camera crew on the back and the reporter has a note pad and pen.  The camera man has on a hat and dark glasses and is backing down the hall way to the elevator.  As most people are watching the helicopter fly South the camera man and the reporter reach the ground floor and back out to a van that of course say&#8217;s WTVV on the side.  That van then heads North with Bernie and his wife.  Like Bernie that camera is not real but made of Styrofoam and a good paint job kind of like his house in Palm Beach.  Just outside the city Bernie and wife change to a Prius hybrid and head for Boston the port.  The helicopter lands in little over an hour in New Baltimore and no Bernie because he and his wife are about to get on a freighter headed for Africa.  As the ship leaves port on the back you can just make out the name, eye of the serpent.  What happens after that heck I don&#8217;t know maybe they reach Africa and find drought, famine, bugs and unrest</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Hureaux</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36347</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Hureaux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 19:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A colleague of mine raised an interesting point along these lines at the union meeting last night.  School districts all over this country collect interest on money that teachers agree to leave in payroll accounts over the course of the school year due to deferred compensation.  On the one hand, it &#039;s great to defer part of our pay during the year so we can take the summers off and get paid.  I&#039;ve long thought that months of  time down should be part of a standard labor contract in industry as well.  

But: where does that interest on deferred compensation funds for say, 5000 teachers in the Seattle area go?  If it&#039;s our money, it&#039;s our interest, na?  It would be great to see the NEA and the AFT start carrying that one forward, but that will happen when hens have teeth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A colleague of mine raised an interesting point along these lines at the union meeting last night.  School districts all over this country collect interest on money that teachers agree to leave in payroll accounts over the course of the school year due to deferred compensation.  On the one hand, it &#8217;s great to defer part of our pay during the year so we can take the summers off and get paid.  I&#8217;ve long thought that months of  time down should be part of a standard labor contract in industry as well.  </p>
<p>But: where does that interest on deferred compensation funds for say, 5000 teachers in the Seattle area go?  If it&#8217;s our money, it&#8217;s our interest, na?  It would be great to see the NEA and the AFT start carrying that one forward, but that will happen when hens have teeth.</p>
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		<title>By: The Angry Peasant</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36329</link>
		<dc:creator>The Angry Peasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve worked in restaurants and experienced at least four of the things on Bobo&#039;s list up there. Let me tell you that here in New York state (and by the sound of it most other places), wage theft and wage denial are  common occurrences.  As an employee in the decadent state of New York,  you have almost no rights. I&#039;m not exaggerating that; you are at the mercy of that employer. And in New York, if you quit, get fired or even sometimes just get laid off, the employer decides whether or not you&#039;ll get any unemployment benefits. Usually, of course, you do not. I worked for a guy for years who made it a policy not to pay anyone overtime. This was in the tourist town of Lake Placid where restaurant workers bust their asses a lot harder than most others in the business do. This guy went on for years saving himself probably in the tens of thousands through his crooked practices, of which eliminating overtime was only one. Finally, a couple guys who were fired went to the department of labor, and the owner was forced to pay back overtime to all his employees. Suitable, but not enough. He should have been prosecuted, and been forced to pay all his employees&#039; unemployment after the closing of his restaurant. Instead, he continues to be a crooked S.O.B., just doesn&#039;t hold back overtime pay any longer. He finally got nabbed, but keep in mind that this went on for a good twenty years before he did.

 

Stories like this are  far too common in America. You always hear politicians spew their horseshit about &quot;small business owners; we have to protect small business owners.&quot; I&#039;ll tell you truthfully that, as someone who has spent much of his life working for small business owners, they are very often every bit as crooked and heartless as a Wal-Mart is. In some ways, more so. If the government wants to do anything for small businesses, they should start with holding the owners thereof accountable and whip their ambitious little asses into shape.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked in restaurants and experienced at least four of the things on Bobo&#8217;s list up there. Let me tell you that here in New York state (and by the sound of it most other places), wage theft and wage denial are  common occurrences.  As an employee in the decadent state of New York,  you have almost no rights. I&#8217;m not exaggerating that; you are at the mercy of that employer. And in New York, if you quit, get fired or even sometimes just get laid off, the employer decides whether or not you&#8217;ll get any unemployment benefits. Usually, of course, you do not. I worked for a guy for years who made it a policy not to pay anyone overtime. This was in the tourist town of Lake Placid where restaurant workers bust their asses a lot harder than most others in the business do. This guy went on for years saving himself probably in the tens of thousands through his crooked practices, of which eliminating overtime was only one. Finally, a couple guys who were fired went to the department of labor, and the owner was forced to pay back overtime to all his employees. Suitable, but not enough. He should have been prosecuted, and been forced to pay all his employees&#8217; unemployment after the closing of his restaurant. Instead, he continues to be a crooked S.O.B., just doesn&#8217;t hold back overtime pay any longer. He finally got nabbed, but keep in mind that this went on for a good twenty years before he did.</p>
<p>Stories like this are  far too common in America. You always hear politicians spew their horseshit about &#8220;small business owners; we have to protect small business owners.&#8221; I&#8217;ll tell you truthfully that, as someone who has spent much of his life working for small business owners, they are very often every bit as crooked and heartless as a Wal-Mart is. In some ways, more so. If the government wants to do anything for small businesses, they should start with holding the owners thereof accountable and whip their ambitious little asses into shape.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36322</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:22:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bozh:

Have you seen my post to you?   Please answer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bozh:</p>
<p>Have you seen my post to you?   Please answer.</p>
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		<title>By: Shabnam</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36320</link>
		<dc:creator>Shabnam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 17:21:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Kim Petersen:

You have to tell me what is going on,  but  instead my comments  have disappeared.   All my comments 3 of them after 9:10am  have been wiped off the page.
I am waiting!!??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Kim Petersen:</p>
<p>You have to tell me what is going on,  but  instead my comments  have disappeared.   All my comments 3 of them after 9:10am  have been wiped off the page.<br />
I am waiting!!??</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36305</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 14:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Investopedia Says:
In such a system, individuals and firms have the right to own and use wealth to earn income and to sell and purchase labor for wages with little or no government control. The function of regulating the economy is then achieved mainly through the operation of market forces where prices and profit dictate where and how resources are used and allocated. The U.S. is a capitalistic system.

socialism 
Economic system which is based on cooperation rather than competition and which utilizes centralized planning and distribution.

  The key word here is cooperation.  Can we put that word in the capitalistic system because we need that word and soon.  I read lately many people like American Thinker that climate change is over and a hoax it&#039;s cold and snowing, what.  This summer again record ice loss and it&#039;s already to late to stop that.  Crops will grow better in a warmer climate, no it doesn&#039;t work like that.  All you have to remember is putting 10 thousand times the natural rate of CO 2 into the atmosphere and that is measured not in just the time human&#039;s have been on Earth measured in millions is not going to work out well.  Cooperation better known as working together is Exxon working together with other companies?  

That centralized planning I guess will make many think Marx the philosopher, social scientist, historian and revolutionary.  Hello the last year the fed the treasury was that just a little centralized planning and distribution?  The distribution part just where did all that funny money go?  To a few who experience themselves, there thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness.  I heard one man the other day say well we already got the money we need when talking about banks and other unconscious separate from the rest people so now I guess the rest of you can have some, what.  We need some revolutionary ideas and bold moves not to keep a system going for just a few but for about 6 billion plus.  If we don&#039;t see the signs Indian talk I don&#039;t think it will work out well.  Is this new administration going to go for it?  We will known soon and it will be Yes or oh well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Investopedia Says:<br />
In such a system, individuals and firms have the right to own and use wealth to earn income and to sell and purchase labor for wages with little or no government control. The function of regulating the economy is then achieved mainly through the operation of market forces where prices and profit dictate where and how resources are used and allocated. The U.S. is a capitalistic system.</p>
<p>socialism<br />
Economic system which is based on cooperation rather than competition and which utilizes centralized planning and distribution.</p>
<p>  The key word here is cooperation.  Can we put that word in the capitalistic system because we need that word and soon.  I read lately many people like American Thinker that climate change is over and a hoax it&#8217;s cold and snowing, what.  This summer again record ice loss and it&#8217;s already to late to stop that.  Crops will grow better in a warmer climate, no it doesn&#8217;t work like that.  All you have to remember is putting 10 thousand times the natural rate of CO 2 into the atmosphere and that is measured not in just the time human&#8217;s have been on Earth measured in millions is not going to work out well.  Cooperation better known as working together is Exxon working together with other companies?  </p>
<p>That centralized planning I guess will make many think Marx the philosopher, social scientist, historian and revolutionary.  Hello the last year the fed the treasury was that just a little centralized planning and distribution?  The distribution part just where did all that funny money go?  To a few who experience themselves, there thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. A kind of optical delusion of consciousness.  I heard one man the other day say well we already got the money we need when talking about banks and other unconscious separate from the rest people so now I guess the rest of you can have some, what.  We need some revolutionary ideas and bold moves not to keep a system going for just a few but for about 6 billion plus.  If we don&#8217;t see the signs Indian talk I don&#8217;t think it will work out well.  Is this new administration going to go for it?  We will known soon and it will be Yes or oh well.</p>
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		<title>By: HR</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36261</link>
		<dc:creator>HR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see the article pointed out that it aint just Wal-Mart that cheats workers.  It was a little weak on making the point that our much-worshiped small businesses are just as bad, and have been for as long as they have existed. For example, expecting employees to arrive early to open up and stay late to close, uncompensated, have been the norm for decades.  Time to SPECIFICALLY, and directly, include the antics of these crooks in the conversation when discussing the subject of employers cheating employees.  Small business has been mollycoddled and placed on an undeserved pedestal for too long.  They deserve neither ... irrespective of Chamber of Commerce lies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see the article pointed out that it aint just Wal-Mart that cheats workers.  It was a little weak on making the point that our much-worshiped small businesses are just as bad, and have been for as long as they have existed. For example, expecting employees to arrive early to open up and stay late to close, uncompensated, have been the norm for decades.  Time to SPECIFICALLY, and directly, include the antics of these crooks in the conversation when discussing the subject of employers cheating employees.  Small business has been mollycoddled and placed on an undeserved pedestal for too long.  They deserve neither &#8230; irrespective of Chamber of Commerce lies.</p>
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		<title>By: kalidas</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36245</link>
		<dc:creator>kalidas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A society of cheaters and the  cheated.&quot;
From top to bottom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A society of cheaters and the  cheated.&#8221;<br />
From top to bottom.</p>
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		<title>By: mebosa ritchie</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36224</link>
		<dc:creator>mebosa ritchie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 20:27:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is this thieving????

Hamas on Monday raided some 100 aid trucks that Israel had allowed into Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is this thieving????</p>
<p>Hamas on Monday raided some 100 aid trucks that Israel had allowed into Gaza, stole their contents and sold them to the highest bidders.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramsefall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/thieving-employers/#comment-36212</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramsefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kims,

Wage theft -- just another negative, domestic effect of free-market deregulation. 

Its international corollary -- corporate outsourcing -- in order to exploit through low wages and no benefits already desperate and poor workers, along with lenient or non-existent environmental regulations, all for a greater profit margin. Now that this approach is experiencing uncontrollable blowback in regions where it was once so prevalent -- as we see particularly in Latin America -- a higher occurrence of domestic wage theft can be expected. That seems to be the logical outcome.

Best to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kims,</p>
<p>Wage theft &#8212; just another negative, domestic effect of free-market deregulation. </p>
<p>Its international corollary &#8212; corporate outsourcing &#8212; in order to exploit through low wages and no benefits already desperate and poor workers, along with lenient or non-existent environmental regulations, all for a greater profit margin. Now that this approach is experiencing uncontrollable blowback in regions where it was once so prevalent &#8212; as we see particularly in Latin America &#8212; a higher occurrence of domestic wage theft can be expected. That seems to be the logical outcome.</p>
<p>Best to you.</p>
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