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		<title>By: Ramsefall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36829</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramsefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jan 2009 11:09:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T.A.P.

exactly!

Best to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T.A.P.</p>
<p>exactly!</p>
<p>Best to you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Angry Peasant</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36776</link>
		<dc:creator>The Angry Peasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 21:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spain, Norway, Iceland, and others are starting to get the clue and power entire cities with pollutionless resources. In Rejkavich, they&#039;re using Iceland&#039;s geothermal energy to power basically the whole city. It can be done. Maybe humans need to learn to get along with some unnecessary luxuries, too. Like Americans and their spoiled asses, for example. The U.S. soaks up half the world&#039;s energy! Are we seriously having the nerve to say we can&#039;t change? We just have to keep drilling for that oil and burning it up? No. What we need to do is, stop this four- cars-a-boat-and-a-dirtbike-for-our-family mentality and live a bit more humbly. That riding lawnmower won&#039;t be needed when the lawn is scorched dead because it&#039;s 108 degrees out for the fifth week in a row. It isn&#039;t just &quot;living&quot; and &quot;producing&quot; that we need all this fossil fuel for. We need to admit to ourselves that a hell of a lot of it is toys, toys, toys. As George Carlin said, &quot;Doesn&#039;t anyone just take a fucking walk anymore?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spain, Norway, Iceland, and others are starting to get the clue and power entire cities with pollutionless resources. In Rejkavich, they&#8217;re using Iceland&#8217;s geothermal energy to power basically the whole city. It can be done. Maybe humans need to learn to get along with some unnecessary luxuries, too. Like Americans and their spoiled asses, for example. The U.S. soaks up half the world&#8217;s energy! Are we seriously having the nerve to say we can&#8217;t change? We just have to keep drilling for that oil and burning it up? No. What we need to do is, stop this four- cars-a-boat-and-a-dirtbike-for-our-family mentality and live a bit more humbly. That riding lawnmower won&#8217;t be needed when the lawn is scorched dead because it&#8217;s 108 degrees out for the fifth week in a row. It isn&#8217;t just &#8220;living&#8221; and &#8220;producing&#8221; that we need all this fossil fuel for. We need to admit to ourselves that a hell of a lot of it is toys, toys, toys. As George Carlin said, &#8220;Doesn&#8217;t anyone just take a fucking walk anymore?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36733</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 15:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We will know more in just a few months.</description>
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		<title>By: Suthiano</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36713</link>
		<dc:creator>Suthiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 04:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Hue, the doom for the west was written by what is true. Such a horrific imbalance cannot exist for much longer (months? years?).

We may have the &quot;hypothetical&quot; alternative energies to power our empire, but we lack the WILL to change as both a mass of people and as politicians. Plus, as Max would certainly agree, besides the energy needs, are financial needs. Certain people WILL not (in contrast to the general populace) to loose their status/power.

It is like all else in capitalism. Most entrepreneurs (capitalists-in-becoming) try to fulfill a want/(sometimes)need. In this case energy is a &quot;need&quot; (increased by wants). But entrepreneurs are constrained by existing energy capitalists who WILL not loose their share.

change can;t happen fast enough.

As Max said earlier, cataclysmic events must occur. Karma of sorts, or at least balance. Who can deny that the rich man weeps when he&#039;s alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Hue, the doom for the west was written by what is true. Such a horrific imbalance cannot exist for much longer (months? years?).</p>
<p>We may have the &#8220;hypothetical&#8221; alternative energies to power our empire, but we lack the WILL to change as both a mass of people and as politicians. Plus, as Max would certainly agree, besides the energy needs, are financial needs. Certain people WILL not (in contrast to the general populace) to loose their status/power.</p>
<p>It is like all else in capitalism. Most entrepreneurs (capitalists-in-becoming) try to fulfill a want/(sometimes)need. In this case energy is a &#8220;need&#8221; (increased by wants). But entrepreneurs are constrained by existing energy capitalists who WILL not loose their share.</p>
<p>change can;t happen fast enough.</p>
<p>As Max said earlier, cataclysmic events must occur. Karma of sorts, or at least balance. Who can deny that the rich man weeps when he&#8217;s alone.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36712</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, wind, geothermal, solar, and tidal power is most definitely enough to power the world we have now.  And furthermore, they are neccessary either way, no matter what happens; fossil fuels are poison in any amount, powering a world with any amount of people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, wind, geothermal, solar, and tidal power is most definitely enough to power the world we have now.  And furthermore, they are neccessary either way, no matter what happens; fossil fuels are poison in any amount, powering a world with any amount of people.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36711</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 03:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Everyone,

A side note on where this conversation has headed is that the world has already ended abruptly for millions of people.  When some fret about the coming doom, I have to think that at least some fairness is coming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Everyone,</p>
<p>A side note on where this conversation has headed is that the world has already ended abruptly for millions of people.  When some fret about the coming doom, I have to think that at least some fairness is coming</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36709</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 02:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one correction: McNamara pushed to escalate in Vietnam not Iraq (one is a replay of the other).

Don it&#039;s not insoluable. It&#039;s just not ever going to be the same. If you take the difference between the most pessimistic and optimistic outlooks, the human population will need to reduce in numbers to about where it was at the beginning of the 20th century. Fossil has provided that kind of net energy - there is a direct correlation between the human population growth and fossil.

Today, it&#039;s rather humorous when the politicians talk about &quot;shovel ready&quot; physical labor. Who are they talking to? Hardly anyone does physical labor anymore. (Some construction and builders but that&#039;s not the millions of jobs needed.)

But the real irony is that human energy will be needed as there is less and less fossil to engine EVERYTHING. Oil slaves will be replaced by human energy. Our fossil food system will need to be re-invented.

But, Don, it can be done. Will we invest while there is some fossil to pour into renewable? No, not to the levels needed for the industrialized world made possible by fossil. There is no alternative that can readily replace fossil. Industrialization is fossil, a unique and at one time plentiful energy source. Combining all that we know, nuclear, wind, hydrogen, solar, perpetual machines (energy alchemy), etc. etc. cannot support this industrial world we built and all it&#039;s infinite complications.

Human species is a colonizer of energy resources. (In one form or another it is the basis of all our wars...NO EXCEPTIONS, not ideology which is just a phony pretext for the masses.) 

Ramesfall, best to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one correction: McNamara pushed to escalate in Vietnam not Iraq (one is a replay of the other).</p>
<p>Don it&#8217;s not insoluable. It&#8217;s just not ever going to be the same. If you take the difference between the most pessimistic and optimistic outlooks, the human population will need to reduce in numbers to about where it was at the beginning of the 20th century. Fossil has provided that kind of net energy &#8211; there is a direct correlation between the human population growth and fossil.</p>
<p>Today, it&#8217;s rather humorous when the politicians talk about &#8220;shovel ready&#8221; physical labor. Who are they talking to? Hardly anyone does physical labor anymore. (Some construction and builders but that&#8217;s not the millions of jobs needed.)</p>
<p>But the real irony is that human energy will be needed as there is less and less fossil to engine EVERYTHING. Oil slaves will be replaced by human energy. Our fossil food system will need to be re-invented.</p>
<p>But, Don, it can be done. Will we invest while there is some fossil to pour into renewable? No, not to the levels needed for the industrialized world made possible by fossil. There is no alternative that can readily replace fossil. Industrialization is fossil, a unique and at one time plentiful energy source. Combining all that we know, nuclear, wind, hydrogen, solar, perpetual machines (energy alchemy), etc. etc. cannot support this industrial world we built and all it&#8217;s infinite complications.</p>
<p>Human species is a colonizer of energy resources. (In one form or another it is the basis of all our wars&#8230;NO EXCEPTIONS, not ideology which is just a phony pretext for the masses.) </p>
<p>Ramesfall, best to you.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramsefall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36708</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramsefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 01:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hue, 

you make an outstanding point about McCain, spot on except for one thing; would the dems really have the motivation to be in the street? A straightforward doubt about that on this end. I wonder whether they will once he shows his true colors -- not black and white, but blue and white for his Isreaeli owners. Just a thought.

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Max,

I have grown accustomed to your clever observations through history, thank-you. 

The essence of what this Tuesday&#039;s transition really represents is nothing other than a change in style, a la mode Obama...at least he can speak the language, policy will maintain it&#039;s longstanding course. Won&#039;t be long and his supporters with hopefully take notice of this, but maybe not.

Best to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hue, </p>
<p>you make an outstanding point about McCain, spot on except for one thing; would the dems really have the motivation to be in the street? A straightforward doubt about that on this end. I wonder whether they will once he shows his true colors &#8212; not black and white, but blue and white for his Isreaeli owners. Just a thought.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Max,</p>
<p>I have grown accustomed to your clever observations through history, thank-you. </p>
<p>The essence of what this Tuesday&#8217;s transition really represents is nothing other than a change in style, a la mode Obama&#8230;at least he can speak the language, policy will maintain it&#8217;s longstanding course. Won&#8217;t be long and his supporters with hopefully take notice of this, but maybe not.</p>
<p>Best to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Hawkins</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36706</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Hawkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max it could be solved but will require gut&#039;s, reason, imagination, knowledge and heart.  You gota have heart.</description>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36703</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Jan 2009 00:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hue point well taken.

The problem an Obama/Dem presidency presents is that it quiets the level of dissension needed to get beyond the mass media&#039;s strangle hold on what get&#039;s heard.

In the larger scheme, we are in a simple postponement of the inevitable. Once we are collectively faced with this &quot;isn&#039;t Franklin D. Roosevelt&quot;, nor is where we are now the 1930&#039;s version of a Great Depression it will be too late.

If you notice all the attempts to cloak Obama in the past - Lincoln, FDR, JFK, etc. (None of these former presidents used a previous one to create marketed image. And the image is a glamorization of the past...pure fiction.)

The past will not help us. During the 1920s/30s the available cheap energy was at an all time high (cheaper to buy oil than water). Our demand on natural resources has never, ever been as great as it is today. In fact, it&#039;s fair to say today we demand more of the planet than all the time previously in total.

This &quot;cheap&quot; fossil has allowed the human population to explode from1.7 billion to over 6 billion in just over the last century. And the system in place to sustain it is breaking. All provided by cheap fossil.

Politics, when it works at all, will be the greatest detriment to real change because of the pressure to stay on the trajectory set by nearly a century of mindless, endless economic growth. It will take famines, wars, and disease to reduce the population to where the species can survive.

But on the small scale of Obama/Dems it will simply be more of the same Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hue point well taken.</p>
<p>The problem an Obama/Dem presidency presents is that it quiets the level of dissension needed to get beyond the mass media&#8217;s strangle hold on what get&#8217;s heard.</p>
<p>In the larger scheme, we are in a simple postponement of the inevitable. Once we are collectively faced with this &#8220;isn&#8217;t Franklin D. Roosevelt&#8221;, nor is where we are now the 1930&#8217;s version of a Great Depression it will be too late.</p>
<p>If you notice all the attempts to cloak Obama in the past &#8211; Lincoln, FDR, JFK, etc. (None of these former presidents used a previous one to create marketed image. And the image is a glamorization of the past&#8230;pure fiction.)</p>
<p>The past will not help us. During the 1920s/30s the available cheap energy was at an all time high (cheaper to buy oil than water). Our demand on natural resources has never, ever been as great as it is today. In fact, it&#8217;s fair to say today we demand more of the planet than all the time previously in total.</p>
<p>This &#8220;cheap&#8221; fossil has allowed the human population to explode from1.7 billion to over 6 billion in just over the last century. And the system in place to sustain it is breaking. All provided by cheap fossil.</p>
<p>Politics, when it works at all, will be the greatest detriment to real change because of the pressure to stay on the trajectory set by nearly a century of mindless, endless economic growth. It will take famines, wars, and disease to reduce the population to where the species can survive.</p>
<p>But on the small scale of Obama/Dems it will simply be more of the same Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush/Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36699</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 22:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many Democrats who have never heard of their guys being attacked from the left on real issues.  It seems like simple math to figure out why a Republican or the media wouldn&#039;t bring up Timor and Iraqi seige, but they get so angry when someone does because they thought they were the good guys.  

McCain would have been better for the country because the people worshiping dems would be in the streets for things they&#039;ll not even notice now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many Democrats who have never heard of their guys being attacked from the left on real issues.  It seems like simple math to figure out why a Republican or the media wouldn&#8217;t bring up Timor and Iraqi seige, but they get so angry when someone does because they thought they were the good guys.  </p>
<p>McCain would have been better for the country because the people worshiping dems would be in the streets for things they&#8217;ll not even notice now.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36690</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 18:41:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dems/Clinton still think they can make &quot;war&quot; using &quot;soft power&quot; which is simply another way of saying, keep it as out of sight as possible, make it acceptable.

The media is on board with this see no evil hear no evil approach. There is no change of policy with Obama, just a little style change. I remember when Robert McNamara was considered the smartest guy in the room in the Kennedy and later Johnson administrations. He pushed for continued escalation into Iraq - a regular Harvard phi beta capa kinda warmonger. Half million US casualties and 3 million Southeast Asians dead and countless others wounded for life was the sum total of this &quot;smart&quot; joker.

What we have with Obama is the appearance of smart warring and a continuation of the American Empire Enterprise. He&#039;s got the complete staff for it. Not ONE represesents an out of the box thought regarding US imperial power. NOT ONE - including the guy at the head of the table.

We&#039;re going from neocon to con(artist).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dems/Clinton still think they can make &#8220;war&#8221; using &#8220;soft power&#8221; which is simply another way of saying, keep it as out of sight as possible, make it acceptable.</p>
<p>The media is on board with this see no evil hear no evil approach. There is no change of policy with Obama, just a little style change. I remember when Robert McNamara was considered the smartest guy in the room in the Kennedy and later Johnson administrations. He pushed for continued escalation into Iraq &#8211; a regular Harvard phi beta capa kinda warmonger. Half million US casualties and 3 million Southeast Asians dead and countless others wounded for life was the sum total of this &#8220;smart&#8221; joker.</p>
<p>What we have with Obama is the appearance of smart warring and a continuation of the American Empire Enterprise. He&#8217;s got the complete staff for it. Not ONE represesents an out of the box thought regarding US imperial power. NOT ONE &#8211; including the guy at the head of the table.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re going from neocon to con(artist).</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36686</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 17:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent article and some good comments - Has anyone mentioned the fact that more Iraqi children were killed during the Clinton administration than under both Bush&#039;s. Hillary has never exhibited any remorse and has fully supported the Clinton Administration&#039;s policy.

It is a bit surprising that anyone still thinks that Hillary is not under the control of the insurance companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent article and some good comments &#8211; Has anyone mentioned the fact that more Iraqi children were killed during the Clinton administration than under both Bush&#8217;s. Hillary has never exhibited any remorse and has fully supported the Clinton Administration&#8217;s policy.</p>
<p>It is a bit surprising that anyone still thinks that Hillary is not under the control of the insurance companies.</p>
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		<title>By: anthony innes</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36668</link>
		<dc:creator>anthony innes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 03:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you do not have to bash dems they are traitors to the Constititution and concept of  rule of Law ; one word says it all ..............Pelosi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you do not have to bash dems they are traitors to the Constititution and concept of  rule of Law ; one word says it all &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..Pelosi.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36617</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 17:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The emergence of Obama is nothing more than the attempt of capital to administer the death blow to what&#039;s left of public sector leadership. The next attacks will be on the remnants of the social wage, or those areas of the public sector which have long been off limits to the private sector, such as public education and Social Security. The President-Elect has begun to outline the features of his so-called stimulus plan, the prime characteristic of which is (surprise, surprise) cutbacks in what are called &quot;social entitlement&quot; programs such as Medicare and Social Security. Ah, the foibles of those who believe they are &quot;entitled.&quot; You understand? The economic problems of this country are caused by that seven hundred dollars a month the disabled collect from Social Security and the few hundred many people get from the &quot;entitlement&quot; programs of Medicare. We may surmise that this would include food stamps. God forbid the working poor have any sort of nutrition that extends beyond Kraft macaroni and cheese, Kool-aid, Jell-o and Jiffy corn bread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The emergence of Obama is nothing more than the attempt of capital to administer the death blow to what&#8217;s left of public sector leadership. The next attacks will be on the remnants of the social wage, or those areas of the public sector which have long been off limits to the private sector, such as public education and Social Security. The President-Elect has begun to outline the features of his so-called stimulus plan, the prime characteristic of which is (surprise, surprise) cutbacks in what are called &#8220;social entitlement&#8221; programs such as Medicare and Social Security. Ah, the foibles of those who believe they are &#8220;entitled.&#8221; You understand? The economic problems of this country are caused by that seven hundred dollars a month the disabled collect from Social Security and the few hundred many people get from the &#8220;entitlement&#8221; programs of Medicare. We may surmise that this would include food stamps. God forbid the working poor have any sort of nutrition that extends beyond Kraft macaroni and cheese, Kool-aid, Jell-o and Jiffy corn bread.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36599</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt, Reagan set the table for Clinton; who then moved the ball forward for George W. Bush. Anyone who thinks George W.&#039;s policies are an anomoly hasn&#039;t been paying attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt, Reagan set the table for Clinton; who then moved the ball forward for George W. Bush. Anyone who thinks George W.&#8217;s policies are an anomoly hasn&#8217;t been paying attention.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramsefall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36598</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramsefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 13:06:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nor can we really talk about politics in general, especially the US variety, without fessing up to the fact that more than 95% of those corporate servant pricks on Capitol Hill are completely full of sheot.

They always, except Paul, Kucinich and a few others, talk a great talk, but then fail to walk the corresponding walk.

An ounce of faith in this system&#039;s top players is a sign of delusion. 

Best to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nor can we really talk about politics in general, especially the US variety, without fessing up to the fact that more than 95% of those corporate servant pricks on Capitol Hill are completely full of sheot.</p>
<p>They always, except Paul, Kucinich and a few others, talk a great talk, but then fail to walk the corresponding walk.</p>
<p>An ounce of faith in this system&#8217;s top players is a sign of delusion. </p>
<p>Best to all.</p>
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		<title>By: misfit</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36594</link>
		<dc:creator>misfit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the typos and formatting issues, like I said it&#039;s late.

I hope you take criticisms for what they are, justly presented on in your &quot;comments&quot; section.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the typos and formatting issues, like I said it&#8217;s late.</p>
<p>I hope you take criticisms for what they are, justly presented on in your &#8220;comments&#8221; section.</p>
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		<title>By: misfit</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36593</link>
		<dc:creator>misfit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 09:09:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey you need to proof your work a little better before you start bashing the [D] party or it&#039;s previous or current legislators and constitutional officers.

Now, the thing that kept running through my head while reading each segment is every time you posit with Clinton&#039;s X or Y, the Congress seems to rear it&#039;s ugly head. 

This is my 1st read, so that is really just off the cuff.

Now, I did however have to call a time out with this next segment [Terrorism]:

&quot;How about the Patriot Act? This of course, was a bipartisan nightmare based on the assumption that curtailing our civil liberties would make us safe from terror. Given that Clinton had a version of his own following the Oklahoma City bombing called the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, there is little reason to believe the Democrats would not have moved forward with a more egregious version following 9-11, with their mass support for John Ashcroft’s version...&quot;

Ok, 1st of all, let&#039;s just leave Oklahoma City out of the equation, but let&#039;s also I have just linked myself to a basic overview [what appears to be...] of this act. I will do my duty in reading and understanding this act. At this time, I am not qualified to parse the argument that there was precedent for the Patriot Act.

However, there is a HUGE logical fallacy in the last statement, or you didn&#039;t really &quot;proof&quot; that last sentence [i.e it could have edited for clarity]:

&quot;there is little reason to believe the Democrats would not have moved forward with a more egregious version following 9-11, with their mass support for John Ashcroft’s version...&quot;

A- [This is a rhetorical attention to &quot;focus&quot; your attention to the obvious fallacy]

Why would John Ashcroft have been Attorney General?

B- [And the last part is a veritable dead point, it is non sensical]

&quot;...with their mass support for John Ashcroft’s version, as our conspicuous souvenir.&quot;

Just kinda doesn&#039;t really make sense and with my 1st point how you appear to be blaming Bill Clinton for a lot of shit that basically can be attributed to the Legislative Branch.

If I care to discuss this anymore, I&#039;d just publish a counter essay [after arduous preparation...] that would be more of a &quot;reverse&quot; analysis of your analysis.

Lastly, you&#039;re fucking clueless.

You have no idea, but I will give you a hint, stop dismissing Alternative Theories.

And lastly, you&#039;re beginning to sound like a windbag on Israel / Gaza.

I am also extrapolating that you are Western, specifically a US Citizen, and if so, A the lack of clarity [and likely accuracy] in this essay you have published, is even more bothersome.

At this point, I can only guess or click your &quot;about&quot;, hmm let me see here on a quick glance at your page...

Ok, indeed you hail from Long Beach.

Well, I&#039;m a little disappointed but brother [that is meant with respect, for I can appreciate a lot of the published works on this site], I do not mean ill will.

Ok?

Can you honestly look at anyone with a straight face and say that The Executive Office of the President underneath George W. Bush has not been the most, horrendous, destructively brutal, quixotic, capricious, jingoistic, venal, deleterious...

I mean fuck dude, is there something in the FISH tacos down there that allows this kinda of torpidity to foster?

See dude, my point is, I actually COULD go on but it&#039;s late...sheesh!

Next time do your homework and consider this, if it&#039;s not a 5000 words [each essay, X [EOoP] vs. Y [EOoP] and thoroughly researched it might as well be &quot;trivia&quot;.

Get out your nails and your hammer!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey you need to proof your work a little better before you start bashing the [D] party or it&#8217;s previous or current legislators and constitutional officers.</p>
<p>Now, the thing that kept running through my head while reading each segment is every time you posit with Clinton&#8217;s X or Y, the Congress seems to rear it&#8217;s ugly head. </p>
<p>This is my 1st read, so that is really just off the cuff.</p>
<p>Now, I did however have to call a time out with this next segment [Terrorism]:</p>
<p>&#8220;How about the Patriot Act? This of course, was a bipartisan nightmare based on the assumption that curtailing our civil liberties would make us safe from terror. Given that Clinton had a version of his own following the Oklahoma City bombing called the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act, there is little reason to believe the Democrats would not have moved forward with a more egregious version following 9-11, with their mass support for John Ashcroft’s version&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Ok, 1st of all, let&#8217;s just leave Oklahoma City out of the equation, but let&#8217;s also I have just linked myself to a basic overview [what appears to be...] of this act. I will do my duty in reading and understanding this act. At this time, I am not qualified to parse the argument that there was precedent for the Patriot Act.</p>
<p>However, there is a HUGE logical fallacy in the last statement, or you didn&#8217;t really &#8220;proof&#8221; that last sentence [i.e it could have edited for clarity]:</p>
<p>&#8220;there is little reason to believe the Democrats would not have moved forward with a more egregious version following 9-11, with their mass support for John Ashcroft’s version&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>A- [This is a rhetorical attention to "focus" your attention to the obvious fallacy]</p>
<p>Why would John Ashcroft have been Attorney General?</p>
<p>B- [And the last part is a veritable dead point, it is non sensical]</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;with their mass support for John Ashcroft’s version, as our conspicuous souvenir.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just kinda doesn&#8217;t really make sense and with my 1st point how you appear to be blaming Bill Clinton for a lot of shit that basically can be attributed to the Legislative Branch.</p>
<p>If I care to discuss this anymore, I&#8217;d just publish a counter essay [after arduous preparation...] that would be more of a &#8220;reverse&#8221; analysis of your analysis.</p>
<p>Lastly, you&#8217;re fucking clueless.</p>
<p>You have no idea, but I will give you a hint, stop dismissing Alternative Theories.</p>
<p>And lastly, you&#8217;re beginning to sound like a windbag on Israel / Gaza.</p>
<p>I am also extrapolating that you are Western, specifically a US Citizen, and if so, A the lack of clarity [and likely accuracy] in this essay you have published, is even more bothersome.</p>
<p>At this point, I can only guess or click your &#8220;about&#8221;, hmm let me see here on a quick glance at your page&#8230;</p>
<p>Ok, indeed you hail from Long Beach.</p>
<p>Well, I&#8217;m a little disappointed but brother [that is meant with respect, for I can appreciate a lot of the published works on this site], I do not mean ill will.</p>
<p>Ok?</p>
<p>Can you honestly look at anyone with a straight face and say that The Executive Office of the President underneath George W. Bush has not been the most, horrendous, destructively brutal, quixotic, capricious, jingoistic, venal, deleterious&#8230;</p>
<p>I mean fuck dude, is there something in the FISH tacos down there that allows this kinda of torpidity to foster?</p>
<p>See dude, my point is, I actually COULD go on but it&#8217;s late&#8230;sheesh!</p>
<p>Next time do your homework and consider this, if it&#8217;s not a 5000 words [each essay, X [EOoP] vs. Y [EOoP] and thoroughly researched it might as well be &#8220;trivia&#8221;.</p>
<p>Get out your nails and your hammer!</p>
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		<title>By: Magarulian</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/the-obama-forecast/#comment-36590</link>
		<dc:creator>Magarulian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jan 2009 07:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We really can&#039;t talk about the Clinton/Gore years without mentioning the 1996 Telecommunications Act.  Notice the lopsided votes in both the House &amp; the Senate, and Bill Clinton&#039;s remarks:

The Telecommunications Act sailed through Congress in February, 1996. The votes went 91-5 in the Senate and 414-16 in the House. Highlights include: 

* Eliminates the FCC rule barring a single company from owning more than 12 television stations.
* Lifts the limit of a broadcaster&#039;s national TV station audience reach from 25 percent to 35 percent.
* Ends the FCC partial ban on broadcast networks owning cable systems.
* Extends TV and radio station license terms to eight years.
* Repeals the law against common ownership of cable system and TV station in a market.
* Eases one-to-a-market rule to allow ownership of TV and radio combos in the same locale, but only in the top 50 markets. 

REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT IN SIGNING CEREMONY FOR THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT CONFERENCE REPORT - February 8, 1996:

&quot;I thank the Vice President (Al Gore), who fought for this bill for so long on behalf of the American people. And I thank the members of Congress in both parties, starting with the leadership, who believed in the promise and the possibility of telecommunications reform. ... 

This historic legislation in my way of thinking really embodies what we ought to be about as a country and what we ought to be about in this city. It clearly enables the age of possibility in America to expand to include more Americans. It will create many, many high-wage jobs. It will provide for more information and more entertainment to virtually every American home. It embodies our best values by supporting the kind of market reforms that the Vice President mentioned, as well as the V-chip. And it brings us together, and it was passed by people coming together. 

This bill is an indication of what can be done when Republicans and Democrats work together in a spirit of genuine cooperation to advance the public interest and bring us to a brighter future.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We really can&#8217;t talk about the Clinton/Gore years without mentioning the 1996 Telecommunications Act.  Notice the lopsided votes in both the House &amp; the Senate, and Bill Clinton&#8217;s remarks:</p>
<p>The Telecommunications Act sailed through Congress in February, 1996. The votes went 91-5 in the Senate and 414-16 in the House. Highlights include: </p>
<p>* Eliminates the FCC rule barring a single company from owning more than 12 television stations.<br />
* Lifts the limit of a broadcaster&#8217;s national TV station audience reach from 25 percent to 35 percent.<br />
* Ends the FCC partial ban on broadcast networks owning cable systems.<br />
* Extends TV and radio station license terms to eight years.<br />
* Repeals the law against common ownership of cable system and TV station in a market.<br />
* Eases one-to-a-market rule to allow ownership of TV and radio combos in the same locale, but only in the top 50 markets. </p>
<p>REMARKS BY THE PRESIDENT IN SIGNING CEREMONY FOR THE TELECOMMUNICATIONS ACT CONFERENCE REPORT &#8211; February 8, 1996:</p>
<p>&#8220;I thank the Vice President (Al Gore), who fought for this bill for so long on behalf of the American people. And I thank the members of Congress in both parties, starting with the leadership, who believed in the promise and the possibility of telecommunications reform. &#8230; </p>
<p>This historic legislation in my way of thinking really embodies what we ought to be about as a country and what we ought to be about in this city. It clearly enables the age of possibility in America to expand to include more Americans. It will create many, many high-wage jobs. It will provide for more information and more entertainment to virtually every American home. It embodies our best values by supporting the kind of market reforms that the Vice President mentioned, as well as the V-chip. And it brings us together, and it was passed by people coming together. </p>
<p>This bill is an indication of what can be done when Republicans and Democrats work together in a spirit of genuine cooperation to advance the public interest and bring us to a brighter future.&#8221;</p>
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