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		<title>By: Brian Koontz</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/religion-crowds-into-americas-bedrooms/#comment-37637</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Koontz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In reply to Jim Cronin:

There are some key cultural links to understanding addiction. Addiction is very similar if not identical to fanaticism and also to religious fundamentalism.

Some commonalities between these - all are attempts at achieving intimacy through repetitive and deep exposure. Far from &quot;self-medicate&quot;, addiction is primarily about loneliness and disconnection and the attempt to solve that problem with a kind of manufactured state of intimacy.

It&#039;s also a form of learning. Most people addicted to television choose that addiction in order to learn about (and create) culture. Religious fundamentalists choose that addiction to learn about (and create) morality.

Addiction is found only in devastated or destroyed communities, where there is no longer a functioning civic society with frequent and positive bonds between people. In the absence of society itself, humans manufacture their own social reality and their own education and self-identity from whatever means are available to them. Hence they might be &quot;fans of a sports team&quot;, a hardcore video game player, a follower of Paris Hilton, or whatever else.

It&#039;s not a matter of addiction being harmful - the harm always occurs *before* the addiction. The addiction is always an attempt at a solution to the harm - a kind of desperate attempt that the addict always recognizes as such and likely to fail or succeed only in very limited ways. Addicts are usually contemptuous of non-addicts - they consider them naive or ignorant (not knowing enough about their own devastated condition to attempt the cure of addiction).

One might think that since the cause of the addiction is the devastation of civic society more people would seek to rebuild that civic society. But this runs into the major problem that the cause of the devastation of civic society is the opposition of the elite to the existence of civic society. Despite their devastated condition, people in the West still support the elite due to the imperial benefits they receive from such, and thus cannot contradict the wishes of the elite by constructing civic society.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to Jim Cronin:</p>
<p>There are some key cultural links to understanding addiction. Addiction is very similar if not identical to fanaticism and also to religious fundamentalism.</p>
<p>Some commonalities between these &#8211; all are attempts at achieving intimacy through repetitive and deep exposure. Far from &#8220;self-medicate&#8221;, addiction is primarily about loneliness and disconnection and the attempt to solve that problem with a kind of manufactured state of intimacy.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also a form of learning. Most people addicted to television choose that addiction in order to learn about (and create) culture. Religious fundamentalists choose that addiction to learn about (and create) morality.</p>
<p>Addiction is found only in devastated or destroyed communities, where there is no longer a functioning civic society with frequent and positive bonds between people. In the absence of society itself, humans manufacture their own social reality and their own education and self-identity from whatever means are available to them. Hence they might be &#8220;fans of a sports team&#8221;, a hardcore video game player, a follower of Paris Hilton, or whatever else.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not a matter of addiction being harmful &#8211; the harm always occurs *before* the addiction. The addiction is always an attempt at a solution to the harm &#8211; a kind of desperate attempt that the addict always recognizes as such and likely to fail or succeed only in very limited ways. Addicts are usually contemptuous of non-addicts &#8211; they consider them naive or ignorant (not knowing enough about their own devastated condition to attempt the cure of addiction).</p>
<p>One might think that since the cause of the addiction is the devastation of civic society more people would seek to rebuild that civic society. But this runs into the major problem that the cause of the devastation of civic society is the opposition of the elite to the existence of civic society. Despite their devastated condition, people in the West still support the elite due to the imperial benefits they receive from such, and thus cannot contradict the wishes of the elite by constructing civic society.</p>
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		<title>By: The Angry Peasant</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/religion-crowds-into-americas-bedrooms/#comment-37634</link>
		<dc:creator>The Angry Peasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Cronin, I&#039;d like you to please speak with my girlfriend.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Cronin, I&#8217;d like you to please speak with my girlfriend.</p>
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		<title>By: lichen</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/religion-crowds-into-americas-bedrooms/#comment-37572</link>
		<dc:creator>lichen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 22:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, representatives of anti-life, child-beating religions will oppose all revolutions and youth movements, and they are irrelevant, as is their disgusting moralizing and bigotry-spreading from the pulpits.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, representatives of anti-life, child-beating religions will oppose all revolutions and youth movements, and they are irrelevant, as is their disgusting moralizing and bigotry-spreading from the pulpits.</p>
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		<title>By: ali</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/religion-crowds-into-americas-bedrooms/#comment-37557</link>
		<dc:creator>ali</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 04:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[just do what fuck yu want to do,and pelase use condoms,we dont want our tax money to spend on your basterd kids and basterd gran kids and when they grown up they join amry and attack our land for oil.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just do what fuck yu want to do,and pelase use condoms,we dont want our tax money to spend on your basterd kids and basterd gran kids and when they grown up they join amry and attack our land for oil.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Cronin</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/religion-crowds-into-americas-bedrooms/#comment-37502</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Cronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:39:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a retired psychotherapist, I would like to offer a comment on the idea that  viewing internet porn is an &quot;addiction.&quot;  This idea of porn addiction is now common, but is it accurate? An addiction can be understood as the excessive and compulsive use of a substance or activity (such as watching television!) that is an attempt to self-medicate for some form of suffering.  This definition also includes the idea that the addiction leads to some form of harm, which is the key point.  

So if no harm can be scientifically shown, there is no addiction.  Is masturbation once per day while viewing internet porn addictive?  Watching TV sports all weekend while ignoring one&#039;s spouse and children? I would say daily masturbation is pretty normal sexual behavior.  If the porn watched is abusive of women (much of it)  or involves children, or if someone is masturbating very frequently every day, underlying problems and harm can be shown.  So one should be careful when throwing this term around.  And, as much as I like your writing,  you really should include citations for data sources as a matter of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a retired psychotherapist, I would like to offer a comment on the idea that  viewing internet porn is an &#8220;addiction.&#8221;  This idea of porn addiction is now common, but is it accurate? An addiction can be understood as the excessive and compulsive use of a substance or activity (such as watching television!) that is an attempt to self-medicate for some form of suffering.  This definition also includes the idea that the addiction leads to some form of harm, which is the key point.  </p>
<p>So if no harm can be scientifically shown, there is no addiction.  Is masturbation once per day while viewing internet porn addictive?  Watching TV sports all weekend while ignoring one&#8217;s spouse and children? I would say daily masturbation is pretty normal sexual behavior.  If the porn watched is abusive of women (much of it)  or involves children, or if someone is masturbating very frequently every day, underlying problems and harm can be shown.  So one should be careful when throwing this term around.  And, as much as I like your writing,  you really should include citations for data sources as a matter of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramsefall</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/religion-crowds-into-americas-bedrooms/#comment-37493</link>
		<dc:creator>Ramsefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 15:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right-wing kooks and their never ending battle to control/manipulate humanity according to their self-proclaimed Godliness. My reaction in short, fu*k em!

The world will be a better place when they&#039;re all gone.

Best to all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right-wing kooks and their never ending battle to control/manipulate humanity according to their self-proclaimed Godliness. My reaction in short, fu*k em!</p>
<p>The world will be a better place when they&#8217;re all gone.</p>
<p>Best to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Joiner</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/religion-crowds-into-americas-bedrooms/#comment-37485</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Joiner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 05:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I realize this isn&#039;t a research paper or dissertation, but with so many facts and figures, you would expect some source citations.  A lot of the numbers you give are very hard to believe. &quot;95 percent of adults admit to having premarital sex?&quot; Really? Says who? How large was their sample size? Was it random? I just don&#039;t buy that number, or a lot of other ones, either. And, while I&#039;m on the &quot;not buying&quot; subject, I&#039;ll go ahead and say that I don&#039;t buy your conclusions, either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I realize this isn&#8217;t a research paper or dissertation, but with so many facts and figures, you would expect some source citations.  A lot of the numbers you give are very hard to believe. &#8220;95 percent of adults admit to having premarital sex?&#8221; Really? Says who? How large was their sample size? Was it random? I just don&#8217;t buy that number, or a lot of other ones, either. And, while I&#8217;m on the &#8220;not buying&#8221; subject, I&#8217;ll go ahead and say that I don&#8217;t buy your conclusions, either.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Kenny</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/religion-crowds-into-americas-bedrooms/#comment-37468</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Kenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps there should be some sort of award for Americans who are capable of arguing a point without feeling the need to assimilate those who disagree with them to Hitler!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps there should be some sort of award for Americans who are capable of arguing a point without feeling the need to assimilate those who disagree with them to Hitler!</p>
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		<title>By: Ugly Deaf Muslim Punk Gurl!</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/religion-crowds-into-americas-bedrooms/#comment-37464</link>
		<dc:creator>Ugly Deaf Muslim Punk Gurl!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a sad day for mankind when a small group of right wing religious extremists have managed to successfully convince many American Christians that sex is un-natural, when in fact, it&#039;s a biological need. 

Humans have been having sex since Adam and Eve (if you believe in that sort of stuff), but hey, it&#039;s dirty and wrong! We should also cut off our eyeballs so that we can&#039;t gaze longingly at other people&#039;s bodies, and then.. VOILA! on your &quot;God-recognized&quot; wedding night, you&#039;ll get your eyeballs back so you can set your sight upon your new bride&#039;s naked body for the first time. 

sheez.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a sad day for mankind when a small group of right wing religious extremists have managed to successfully convince many American Christians that sex is un-natural, when in fact, it&#8217;s a biological need. </p>
<p>Humans have been having sex since Adam and Eve (if you believe in that sort of stuff), but hey, it&#8217;s dirty and wrong! We should also cut off our eyeballs so that we can&#8217;t gaze longingly at other people&#8217;s bodies, and then.. VOILA! on your &#8220;God-recognized&#8221; wedding night, you&#8217;ll get your eyeballs back so you can set your sight upon your new bride&#8217;s naked body for the first time. </p>
<p>sheez.</p>
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