Comments on: Obama’s Neocon http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:51:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: bruce http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-49286 bruce Sun, 05 Jul 2009 17:17:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-49286 Following the 1967 war and in particular the Israeli attack on USS Liberty,US foriegn policy in mideast did a 180 degree turn in favor of the "Greater Israel" enterprise.Not only would Israel go unpunished for the deaths of 34 Americans aboard Liberty,but the US would now be providing massive American arms and monetary aid to Israel.Colonizing the newly conquered Arab lands would now have US backing. It's not easy to ferret out the behind the scenes machinations in the American political camgaign/contribution process that enabled this shift,but big New York and Texas money would be a fair assumption.In the sixties the Israel lobbies with AIPAC primarily did not have the strangelhold on the US Congress that they have today,but their influence as well in the 60's could not be ignored.Ross is a part of this Israel first juggernaut.When not in the US government he is in the employ of some Israel friendly big money sponsered think tank. His negotiation with Iran would have been desisgned to fail,because that would have been the Israeli adgenda.In his mind what is right for Israel is right for America. That is where he is totally wrong and a foreign agent. The US got suckered into invading Iraq with much drumbeating by NEOCONS that happen to be pushing the hardline Likud policies. According to The Christian Science Monitor Israel has cost the US taxpayer $1.3 Trillion since 1973 not including the wars Israel designs for America. Following the 1967 war and in particular the Israeli attack on USS Liberty,US foriegn policy in mideast did a 180 degree turn in favor of the “Greater Israel” enterprise.Not only would Israel go unpunished for the deaths of 34 Americans aboard Liberty,but the US would now be providing massive American arms and monetary aid to Israel.Colonizing the newly conquered Arab lands would now have US backing. It’s not easy to ferret out the behind the scenes machinations in the American political camgaign/contribution process that enabled this shift,but big New York and Texas money would be a fair assumption.In the sixties the Israel lobbies with AIPAC primarily did not have the strangelhold on the US Congress that they have today,but their influence as well in the 60’s could not be ignored.Ross is a part of this Israel first juggernaut.When not in the US government he is in the employ of some Israel friendly big money sponsered think tank.
His negotiation with Iran would have been desisgned to fail,because that would have been the Israeli adgenda.In his mind what is right for Israel is right for America.
That is where he is totally wrong and a foreign agent.
The US got suckered into invading Iraq with much drumbeating by NEOCONS that happen to be pushing the hardline Likud policies.

According to The Christian Science Monitor Israel has cost the US taxpayer $1.3 Trillion since 1973 not including the wars Israel designs for America.

]]> By: Adam Richmond http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-36251 Adam Richmond Mon, 12 Jan 2009 23:07:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-36251 Did you mean to say that Dennis Ross was a cofounder of AIPAC? AIPAC was founded in the 1950s according to its website. Did you mean to say that Dennis Ross was a cofounder of AIPAC? AIPAC was founded in the 1950s according to its website.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-35967 bozh Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:28:33 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-35967 as i said, we never change. we will never change for 'jews'. we will avenge the deaths in palestine, gaza, iraq, and afgh'n. it may take centuries, but people will avenge the crimes by criminals. either that or US/Israel will have to kill all muslims and all dissenters. thnx as i said, we never change. we will never change for ‘jews’.
we will avenge the deaths in palestine, gaza, iraq, and afgh’n. it may take centuries, but people will avenge the crimes by criminals.
either that or US/Israel will have to kill all muslims and all dissenters. thnx

]]> By: The Angry Peasant http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-35930 The Angry Peasant Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:29:04 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-35930 As did I. As did I.

]]> By: Brian http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-35929 Brian Sat, 10 Jan 2009 04:23:54 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-35929 Just another reason I voted for Ralph. Just another reason I voted for Ralph.

]]> By: opeluboy http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-35917 opeluboy Sat, 10 Jan 2009 01:26:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-35917 Jerry, I was referring to the article, not your comment (which would be obvious if this site had the ability to issue a "reply"). However, what would be wrong if for once we actually had an Arab-American involved in Israel/Palestine? Why must it always be Jews? Why are only Jews allowed to be "experts" on the region and its problems, religions, history, etc.? Personally, I can't think of many things that would allay the Arab/Muslim world's suspicion of our ability to be even-handed than allowing an Arab to participate or head our Mid East delegation. But it will be a Jew. Jerry, I was referring to the article, not your comment (which would be obvious if this site had the ability to issue a “reply”).

However, what would be wrong if for once we actually had an Arab-American involved in Israel/Palestine? Why must it always be Jews?

Why are only Jews allowed to be “experts” on the region and its problems, religions, history, etc.?

Personally, I can’t think of many things that would allay the Arab/Muslim world’s suspicion of our ability to be even-handed than allowing an Arab to participate or head our Mid East delegation.

But it will be a Jew.

]]> By: Jerry D. Rose http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-35903 Jerry D. Rose Fri, 09 Jan 2009 23:55:30 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-35903 Opeluboy, I don't know exactly what you mean, if you think I was advocating for an "Arab American" to be a principle formulator of U.S. Middle East policy. To me that would be as wrong as the appointment of a "Zionist American Jew." Opeluboy, I don’t know exactly what you mean, if you think I was advocating for an “Arab American” to be a principle formulator of U.S. Middle East policy. To me that would be as wrong as the appointment of a “Zionist American Jew.”

]]> By: opeluboy http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-35890 opeluboy Fri, 09 Jan 2009 22:23:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-35890 I guess appointing an Arab-American instead of a Zionist American Jew to formulate Middle East policy is right out, just like being a Middle East/terrorism, Arab/Islam "expert." I guess appointing an Arab-American instead of a Zionist American Jew to formulate Middle East policy is right out, just like being a Middle East/terrorism, Arab/Islam “expert.”

]]> By: Jerry D. Rose http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-35883 Jerry D. Rose Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:39:39 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-35883 Actually, the matter gets worse than described by Leupp. JTA, the Jewish news agency, reports that, in addition to the anticipated special envoy appointment for Ross, another pro-Israel favorite, Dan Shapiro, will be appointed to the Middle East desk of the National Security Council. Shapiro may not have quite Ross's "neo-con" credentials, but he certainly has very strong pro-Israeli ones. He was a congressional staffer who helped author the 2003 Syrian Accountability Act, urging sanctions on Syria for its alleged anti-Israel actions; and he was the "Jewish outreach" head of the Obama campaign. Seems as if our Middle East policy will be run from Tel Aviv. The JTA piece is at: http://jta.org/news/article/2009/01/08/1002094/ross-shapiro-likely-to-land-govt-jobs Actually, the matter gets worse than described by Leupp. JTA, the Jewish news agency, reports that, in addition to the anticipated special envoy appointment for Ross, another pro-Israel favorite, Dan Shapiro, will be appointed to the Middle East desk of the National Security Council. Shapiro may not have quite Ross’s “neo-con” credentials, but he certainly has very strong pro-Israeli ones. He was a congressional staffer who helped author the 2003 Syrian Accountability Act, urging sanctions on Syria for its alleged anti-Israel actions; and he was the “Jewish outreach” head of the Obama campaign. Seems as if our Middle East policy will be run from Tel Aviv. The JTA piece is at: http://jta.org/news/article/2009/01/08/1002094/ross-shapiro-likely-to-land-govt-jobs

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-35868 bozh Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:29:14 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-35868 it is old world order made clearer. obama will further explain it to us. by deeds and words. neither deeds nor words have much, if at all, changed. the differnece now is that we have much 'better' weapons and not that we have changed; we are still a bit smarter than gorillas; who are s'mwhat smarter and gentler than chimps. babbons are also violent and dumber than chimps. most of the members of the primate family are extremely violent. with us humans, the problem is in the main that we can produce arms and chimps cannot. cheer up; we are al going to hell; it's ok, it is nice and tepid by now; it had time to cool dwn. so, even hitler wil not burn in hell. i think he's laughing at us right now. thnx it is old world order made clearer. obama will further explain it to us.
by deeds and words. neither deeds nor words have much, if at all, changed.
the differnece now is that we have much ‘better’ weapons and not that we have changed; we are still a bit smarter than gorillas; who are s’mwhat smarter and gentler than chimps.
babbons are also violent and dumber than chimps.
most of the members of the primate family are extremely violent.
with us humans, the problem is in the main that we can produce arms and chimps cannot.
cheer up; we are al going to hell; it’s ok, it is nice and tepid by now; it had time to cool dwn. so, even hitler wil not burn in hell. i think he’s laughing at us right now. thnx

]]> By: Deadbeat http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/obama%e2%80%99s-neocon/#comment-35859 Deadbeat Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:52:24 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5987#comment-35859 What's clear is that Obama has sold his soul to Zionism in order to become President of the United States. Also, look at the resolution that passed in the Senate yesterday and soon in the House supporting Israeli's atrocities in Gaza. It is time for the Left to come to terms with Zionism. What’s clear is that Obama has sold his soul to Zionism in order to become President of the United States. Also, look at the resolution that passed in the Senate yesterday and soon in the House supporting Israeli’s atrocities in Gaza.

It is time for the Left to come to terms with Zionism.

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