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		<title>By: bozh</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36572</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 23:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>save a military disaster of the israelis, nothing pals do or don&#039;t do will affect &#039;jewish&#039;  end goal. and guess what? it is one of the longest  secrets ever. you&#039;ve noticed that israel is still borderless in its entire circumpherence; includes sees also.
over a century old secret and not one human being on earth knows what this goal is nor can any person know it; one can only tell it.
can one imagine any other country at war for expansion getting away with this and endangering the entire planet at the same time?

only a de facto US state can get away with terrorising the rest of us because of knowing what these cultists are capable of.  neither bush  nor obama knows this deep secret or if they know it they are not telling us.  
they just keep telling and tellling but not proving that it&#039;s security of israel.
by that they may mean absolute security of israel, absolute obedience of the rest of the world with no question asked, and absolute peaceful occupation.
thus, i have imperfectly elucidated the situation! why not perfectly? because my friends there is and never will be perfection nor absolutes that the cultists demand. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>save a military disaster of the israelis, nothing pals do or don&#8217;t do will affect &#8216;jewish&#8217;  end goal. and guess what? it is one of the longest  secrets ever. you&#8217;ve noticed that israel is still borderless in its entire circumpherence; includes sees also.<br />
over a century old secret and not one human being on earth knows what this goal is nor can any person know it; one can only tell it.<br />
can one imagine any other country at war for expansion getting away with this and endangering the entire planet at the same time?</p>
<p>only a de facto US state can get away with terrorising the rest of us because of knowing what these cultists are capable of.  neither bush  nor obama knows this deep secret or if they know it they are not telling us.<br />
they just keep telling and tellling but not proving that it&#8217;s security of israel.<br />
by that they may mean absolute security of israel, absolute obedience of the rest of the world with no question asked, and absolute peaceful occupation.<br />
thus, i have imperfectly elucidated the situation! why not perfectly? because my friends there is and never will be perfection nor absolutes that the cultists demand. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: James Hovland</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36565</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hovland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 22:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, the Gaza issue. I couldn&#039;t possibly be more bent out of shape over Hillary&#039;s appointment as Secretary of State. Her foreign policy was why I was against her for president. Obama said he would talk, and then stiffed us with her. I&#039;m not happy. Sanjay Gupta is the same story, and I&#039;ll talk about that later.  Palestine. I get the Arabic news updates from a good friend in Syria, and he shares a similar knowledge of the propaganda issue, so I see both sides clearly. I explain the situation as starting with nomads from Mesopotamia, a genocide in Canaan, and a book written by the self proclaimed &quot;chosen people&quot; to justify it all and claim it as their birth right. In biblical times they wiped Canaan off the map, in 1948 it was Palestine, and the siege continues. I have great respect for the Jewish people, I even feel bad for them because of the power  religion holds over them, but what&#039;s being done in their name and Israel&#039;s, is unacceptable. Still, extremists on all sides are the problem. I&#039;m not exactly happy with Hamas, because we are still under Bush&#039;s thumb, and they blew it before &quot;Change&quot; happened.  I don&#039;t know what to do about Palestine now. Hamas could have beat Israel diplomatically if they had waited it out, and... if they can accept two states. Now, I don&#039;t know what&#039;s going to happen. The whole situation makes me sick.  There just isn&#039;t a lot I can do for Palestine that I haven&#039;t already done, not with emotions this high. So I&#039;m talking about Health Care to undermine the power of propaganda where I can. All of our issues are connected by that one piece.

Most disagreements are actually misunderstandings.   Why would you think that I would run as a democrat? It&#039;s like you didn&#039;t even read what I wrote. 

I am not opposed to you. Please stop filtering what I say through that emotions. Be observant of that as well, it&#039;s a good key to understanding people and conflicts.

I&#039;m not in favor of any ideology. I prefer the flexibility of a dynamic mind which is more in line with the Progressives, but as soon as they start trying to tell me what I think, they become an ideology. I&#039;m an independent because of my rebellious instinct to side with intelligence over authority.

When I run it will be as an independent. Not as a gimped independent that whines about the parties being so powerful, but as a powerful independent that points out the parties as being what is wrong with our system. I don&#039;t want this job, I am compelled to pursue it, because, sometimes, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Because the people need someone on their side that can see through and dispel the propaganda. Our economy is collapsing and we don&#039;t have any leaders with the where-with-all to confront the habits of our, 10 to 1 trade deficit, consumer society, or the ability to present a transparent path and goal. How are we going to get that money back? 

 We need leadership reform, and that does not mean new legislation. The cornerstone of power is the ability to be heard. Any campaign can give you that ability, you don&#039;t have to be elected to be a leader, nor does being elected make you one. I want to put up yard signs that say &quot;In Cahoots with The People&quot;, because that&#039;s the kind of Representative I would be. I&#039;ll bring my suit to show the people the difference between a suit and a man, and make my one campaign promise. If they send me to Washington, I&#039;ll put it on for them. In the mean time, let&#039;s talk about how to get our economy back on track so we can have programs like Single Payer Health Care, and be able to lower our taxes too. 

You don&#039;t run to be part of a movement, you run to lead the charge.  If you think that being an independent is a disadvantage, they&#039;ve already beat you, but lack of a clear path is what destroys confidence, &#039;they&#039; are just the obstacles. I understand your frustration. My e-mail expresses it as well. if_i_had_a_voice(at)yahoo.com. I&#039;m finding one.

I explain the word &quot;can&#039;t&quot; like this: &#039;I am not willing to put in the effort necessary to overcome my obstacles&#039;. In many cases an apology is appropriate. If you understand where education fits into the path, you can do anything. It&#039;s the willingness to put in the effort necessary that gets the job done. I want you to win. You&#039;re my favorite kind of American, not because I agree with you, but because you&#039;re involved. They say: Democracy requires a vigilant public. Thank you. When I&#039;m all patriotic and wave the  flag, it&#039;s for people like you. 

Ok, California, district 4.

Charlie Brown is the Democrat I would have to beat, he used to be a Republican, and apparently didn&#039;t have the integrity or the confidence to be independent.

McClintock is the Republican parties import, who was moved here to &#039;represent&#039; us.  

If either is elected, only half the people will be represented, and only in theory. An independent can represent all the people. That&#039;s a serious advantage. These candidates have no chance against an independent who knows how that&#039;s an advantage.  Almost everyone has good intentions and just wants to do what  is right. Electing the candidate that represents all the people is the right thing to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, the Gaza issue. I couldn&#8217;t possibly be more bent out of shape over Hillary&#8217;s appointment as Secretary of State. Her foreign policy was why I was against her for president. Obama said he would talk, and then stiffed us with her. I&#8217;m not happy. Sanjay Gupta is the same story, and I&#8217;ll talk about that later.  Palestine. I get the Arabic news updates from a good friend in Syria, and he shares a similar knowledge of the propaganda issue, so I see both sides clearly. I explain the situation as starting with nomads from Mesopotamia, a genocide in Canaan, and a book written by the self proclaimed &#8220;chosen people&#8221; to justify it all and claim it as their birth right. In biblical times they wiped Canaan off the map, in 1948 it was Palestine, and the siege continues. I have great respect for the Jewish people, I even feel bad for them because of the power  religion holds over them, but what&#8217;s being done in their name and Israel&#8217;s, is unacceptable. Still, extremists on all sides are the problem. I&#8217;m not exactly happy with Hamas, because we are still under Bush&#8217;s thumb, and they blew it before &#8220;Change&#8221; happened.  I don&#8217;t know what to do about Palestine now. Hamas could have beat Israel diplomatically if they had waited it out, and&#8230; if they can accept two states. Now, I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going to happen. The whole situation makes me sick.  There just isn&#8217;t a lot I can do for Palestine that I haven&#8217;t already done, not with emotions this high. So I&#8217;m talking about Health Care to undermine the power of propaganda where I can. All of our issues are connected by that one piece.</p>
<p>Most disagreements are actually misunderstandings.   Why would you think that I would run as a democrat? It&#8217;s like you didn&#8217;t even read what I wrote. </p>
<p>I am not opposed to you. Please stop filtering what I say through that emotions. Be observant of that as well, it&#8217;s a good key to understanding people and conflicts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not in favor of any ideology. I prefer the flexibility of a dynamic mind which is more in line with the Progressives, but as soon as they start trying to tell me what I think, they become an ideology. I&#8217;m an independent because of my rebellious instinct to side with intelligence over authority.</p>
<p>When I run it will be as an independent. Not as a gimped independent that whines about the parties being so powerful, but as a powerful independent that points out the parties as being what is wrong with our system. I don&#8217;t want this job, I am compelled to pursue it, because, sometimes, if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself. Because the people need someone on their side that can see through and dispel the propaganda. Our economy is collapsing and we don&#8217;t have any leaders with the where-with-all to confront the habits of our, 10 to 1 trade deficit, consumer society, or the ability to present a transparent path and goal. How are we going to get that money back? </p>
<p> We need leadership reform, and that does not mean new legislation. The cornerstone of power is the ability to be heard. Any campaign can give you that ability, you don&#8217;t have to be elected to be a leader, nor does being elected make you one. I want to put up yard signs that say &#8220;In Cahoots with The People&#8221;, because that&#8217;s the kind of Representative I would be. I&#8217;ll bring my suit to show the people the difference between a suit and a man, and make my one campaign promise. If they send me to Washington, I&#8217;ll put it on for them. In the mean time, let&#8217;s talk about how to get our economy back on track so we can have programs like Single Payer Health Care, and be able to lower our taxes too. </p>
<p>You don&#8217;t run to be part of a movement, you run to lead the charge.  If you think that being an independent is a disadvantage, they&#8217;ve already beat you, but lack of a clear path is what destroys confidence, &#8216;they&#8217; are just the obstacles. I understand your frustration. My e-mail expresses it as well. if_i_had_a_voice(at)yahoo.com. I&#8217;m finding one.</p>
<p>I explain the word &#8220;can&#8217;t&#8221; like this: &#8216;I am not willing to put in the effort necessary to overcome my obstacles&#8217;. In many cases an apology is appropriate. If you understand where education fits into the path, you can do anything. It&#8217;s the willingness to put in the effort necessary that gets the job done. I want you to win. You&#8217;re my favorite kind of American, not because I agree with you, but because you&#8217;re involved. They say: Democracy requires a vigilant public. Thank you. When I&#8217;m all patriotic and wave the  flag, it&#8217;s for people like you. </p>
<p>Ok, California, district 4.</p>
<p>Charlie Brown is the Democrat I would have to beat, he used to be a Republican, and apparently didn&#8217;t have the integrity or the confidence to be independent.</p>
<p>McClintock is the Republican parties import, who was moved here to &#8216;represent&#8217; us.  </p>
<p>If either is elected, only half the people will be represented, and only in theory. An independent can represent all the people. That&#8217;s a serious advantage. These candidates have no chance against an independent who knows how that&#8217;s an advantage.  Almost everyone has good intentions and just wants to do what  is right. Electing the candidate that represents all the people is the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36489</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 21:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James...Are you going to run as a Democrat? I would never do that - it would be a violation of my conscience to align myself with either the dems or repubs.   
It appears that you will run because you want to win. I ran because I wanted to participate in a movement.  It seems to me that membership in either the democratic or republican party implies a condonation of their past acts and policies. 
Now, while white phosphorus is falling on the civilian population, how can anyone with a clear conscience support dems/repubs.  Please look at the Robert Fisk war photos of the children.  More Iraqi children died during the Clinton administration than under both Bushes - and then Magdeline Albright said that the deaths were worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James&#8230;Are you going to run as a Democrat? I would never do that &#8211; it would be a violation of my conscience to align myself with either the dems or repubs.<br />
It appears that you will run because you want to win. I ran because I wanted to participate in a movement.  It seems to me that membership in either the democratic or republican party implies a condonation of their past acts and policies.<br />
Now, while white phosphorus is falling on the civilian population, how can anyone with a clear conscience support dems/repubs.  Please look at the Robert Fisk war photos of the children.  More Iraqi children died during the Clinton administration than under both Bushes &#8211; and then Magdeline Albright said that the deaths were worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: Hue Longer</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36479</link>
		<dc:creator>Hue Longer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 12:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa James,

&quot;We&quot; didn&#039;t lose the Rodney King incident due to lower tech/one camera limitations...If anything, more cameras would have enabled more angles for the defense to convince the choir of what they needed to see.  

(why that dumb mother*uc**r fled to Vegas is beyond me, but the embarrassment of the establishment trying to defend him/itself while he did so is at least amusing drama begging certain clarifications in the so called justice system...I bet the next spin from the dropper by&#039;s here will be something close to how we should all be ashamed for driving the poor cop to flee)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa James,</p>
<p>&#8220;We&#8221; didn&#8217;t lose the Rodney King incident due to lower tech/one camera limitations&#8230;If anything, more cameras would have enabled more angles for the defense to convince the choir of what they needed to see.  </p>
<p>(why that dumb mother*uc**r fled to Vegas is beyond me, but the embarrassment of the establishment trying to defend him/itself while he did so is at least amusing drama begging certain clarifications in the so called justice system&#8230;I bet the next spin from the dropper by&#8217;s here will be something close to how we should all be ashamed for driving the poor cop to flee)</p>
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		<title>By: James Hovland</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36465</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hovland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 08:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tech influence.
Rodney King was kinda the beginning of the by the people accountability we are still building on.  I think we kinda lost that battle, but we gained a lot of ground in the big picture. The Bart incident had more camera angles than most movies are shot from. The people are watching. 

As far as your campaign goes. The media, the paper...the control...  that can be worked around. But you need a little power of your own. I search for it. 

You have to look at every aspect of the position you want, the campaign, the situation the people are in, and explain it all, so that everything points to you being the best choice, and the  only one that isn&#039;t available anywhere else. 

How many voters do you have to reach? 
What is the current political leaning, and activity level? 
What kind of social groups are in your area? 
Why is the voter going to vote for you rather than the other guy?

I&#039;m only 36, so I&#039;m just getting to the point where I&#039;m confident enough to get that involved. I&#039;m preparing myself for a seat in the House, in a district that&#039;s split almost 50/50. I&#039;ll campaign for better representation relating to the people as a constituent that&#039;s competed with the lobbyists for representation. I&#039;ll bring the canned answers I got as conversation pieces. I have a ton of material like that. I&#039;ll have the unbeatable advantage of being an independent as it pertains to representation. Thats good stuff too, it almost makes being a member of a party seem immoral, or at least an unacceptable sacrifice. I think representation is an easy target, and the districts are a fairly small campaign. I was born in mine, and my current Rep is a Republican import. So I think the nature of the parties is open for discussion.  He moved here to &quot;represent&quot; me, and the RNC footed the bill. Nice huh?

It&#039;s all just a dream until you wake up in the middle of a campaign and realize that you had jumped in. Been there?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tech influence.<br />
Rodney King was kinda the beginning of the by the people accountability we are still building on.  I think we kinda lost that battle, but we gained a lot of ground in the big picture. The Bart incident had more camera angles than most movies are shot from. The people are watching. </p>
<p>As far as your campaign goes. The media, the paper&#8230;the control&#8230;  that can be worked around. But you need a little power of your own. I search for it. </p>
<p>You have to look at every aspect of the position you want, the campaign, the situation the people are in, and explain it all, so that everything points to you being the best choice, and the  only one that isn&#8217;t available anywhere else. </p>
<p>How many voters do you have to reach?<br />
What is the current political leaning, and activity level?<br />
What kind of social groups are in your area?<br />
Why is the voter going to vote for you rather than the other guy?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m only 36, so I&#8217;m just getting to the point where I&#8217;m confident enough to get that involved. I&#8217;m preparing myself for a seat in the House, in a district that&#8217;s split almost 50/50. I&#8217;ll campaign for better representation relating to the people as a constituent that&#8217;s competed with the lobbyists for representation. I&#8217;ll bring the canned answers I got as conversation pieces. I have a ton of material like that. I&#8217;ll have the unbeatable advantage of being an independent as it pertains to representation. Thats good stuff too, it almost makes being a member of a party seem immoral, or at least an unacceptable sacrifice. I think representation is an easy target, and the districts are a fairly small campaign. I was born in mine, and my current Rep is a Republican import. So I think the nature of the parties is open for discussion.  He moved here to &#8220;represent&#8221; me, and the RNC footed the bill. Nice huh?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s all just a dream until you wake up in the middle of a campaign and realize that you had jumped in. Been there?</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36450</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tree...You have hell on your back because of coffee beans. Up here  I have to shovel through 8 foot snow drifts just to get to the mail box.

James...The only way to win up here is to have the  Dem/repub Party machine behind you - otherwise you have to own a newspaper. Our local paper is famous for not publishing letters to the editor if the editor wants another candidate to win. About technology being our friend - I don&#039;t know, so far too much of it is a wasteland.  I agree that it is of some value, I have learned more from the Internet and TVs C-span than I did in all of the years I was in school.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tree&#8230;You have hell on your back because of coffee beans. Up here  I have to shovel through 8 foot snow drifts just to get to the mail box.</p>
<p>James&#8230;The only way to win up here is to have the  Dem/repub Party machine behind you &#8211; otherwise you have to own a newspaper. Our local paper is famous for not publishing letters to the editor if the editor wants another candidate to win. About technology being our friend &#8211; I don&#8217;t know, so far too much of it is a wasteland.  I agree that it is of some value, I have learned more from the Internet and TVs C-span than I did in all of the years I was in school.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hovland</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36448</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hovland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 22:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not saying Kennedy was a great president, but he was a leader, and to certain people, that is a threat. Bernays explains exactly who I&#039;m against.

&quot;Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our government.” ~ Edward Bernays

They own the majority of the old media. This here, and the printer next to you is about all we have. Except for all of the other awesome new gadgets, like phones that are internet capable video cameras. Technology is our friend now, not theirs. 

You say you won&#039;t compromise your values, that&#039;s cool, but it doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t win. It means to win, you have to be better at shaping opinion, and lead rather than campaign. The campaign is your opportunity to spread the knowledge that shapes your views. 

Out of time! I&#039;ll be back later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not saying Kennedy was a great president, but he was a leader, and to certain people, that is a threat. Bernays explains exactly who I&#8217;m against.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our government.” ~ Edward Bernays</p>
<p>They own the majority of the old media. This here, and the printer next to you is about all we have. Except for all of the other awesome new gadgets, like phones that are internet capable video cameras. Technology is our friend now, not theirs. </p>
<p>You say you won&#8217;t compromise your values, that&#8217;s cool, but it doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t win. It means to win, you have to be better at shaping opinion, and lead rather than campaign. The campaign is your opportunity to spread the knowledge that shapes your views. </p>
<p>Out of time! I&#8217;ll be back later.</p>
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		<title>By: Tree</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosemarie, I pick the coffee beans myself.  It&#039;s hell on my lower back.  
;-)
Old boys network in Vermont?  Say it ain&#039;t so!  Now where am I going to move to?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosemarie, I pick the coffee beans myself.  It&#8217;s hell on my lower back.<br />
;-)<br />
Old boys network in Vermont?  Say it ain&#8217;t so!  Now where am I going to move to?</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 19:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tree...I detect a tone of mystery in your comment.

James...About how to win an election... I would NEVER compromise my values. I am not a politician. I will never win an election.
You are right about the importance of getting your message out but in Vermont there is Press censorship - not by the government but by the &#039;ol boys network&#039;. 
I was alive and remember the day Kennedy was shot. It was a horrific day but I am not exactly sure that he was a great president. I missed the Lincoln assassination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tree&#8230;I detect a tone of mystery in your comment.</p>
<p>James&#8230;About how to win an election&#8230; I would NEVER compromise my values. I am not a politician. I will never win an election.<br />
You are right about the importance of getting your message out but in Vermont there is Press censorship &#8211; not by the government but by the &#8216;ol boys network&#8217;.<br />
I was alive and remember the day Kennedy was shot. It was a horrific day but I am not exactly sure that he was a great president. I missed the Lincoln assassination.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hovland</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hovland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have a familiar 3 part phrase that explains the party system very well.

Democrats: You can fool all of the people some of the time.

Republicans: You can fool some of the people all of the time.

 How it happened: You can&#039;t fool all of the people all of the time.

The Republicans were here first, the Democrats challenged the establishment. Fooling the people was a for-profit service.  It still is.

We haven&#039;t had leaders for a long time, I believe the last ones were shot dead well before I was born. Were you around then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a familiar 3 part phrase that explains the party system very well.</p>
<p>Democrats: You can fool all of the people some of the time.</p>
<p>Republicans: You can fool some of the people all of the time.</p>
<p> How it happened: You can&#8217;t fool all of the people all of the time.</p>
<p>The Republicans were here first, the Democrats challenged the establishment. Fooling the people was a for-profit service.  It still is.</p>
<p>We haven&#8217;t had leaders for a long time, I believe the last ones were shot dead well before I was born. Were you around then?</p>
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		<title>By: James Hovland</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Hovland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 05:16:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you&#039;re serious about an elected position... My suggestion is to understand how the world is changing, and come in at close to the same speed so that there isn&#039;t a major collision.  Public opinion matters, you can shape opinion during your campaign, but on election day, your platform has to be consistent with the opinion of a majority. If you are serious there is more. 

On the net as a writer or commenter you can be more extreme. I say things in comments that I would never say in a campaign, but it&#039;s all kind of an experiment in shaping opinion, and I&#039;m even open about that, which is an experiment as well. The manipulation is real, but they don&#039;t have control here, we do. This is a different game.

I see the world as being governed by ideas in motion. If an idea has value, makes sense, and strikes an emotion, it will move,  gain momentum, and evolve,  until an outcome becomes inevitable. Everyone has a perceived reality consisting of these evolving ideas, that is what they base their decisions on, and as a whole, this is Public Opinion. Nobody is outside of this influence. This is what governs the world.

For me it&#039;s a long term project.  If I have said anything that makes you see anything different, I have likely changed the world, because you will likely change the world. In the end, nobody will ever be able to put a finger on who really did it. You don&#039;t have to agree with everything I say, just cherry pick it and take what you like. 

Have you ever watched a debate in frustration thinking &quot;if they would just say &#039;...&#039;  everyone would understand&quot; ?  That &#039;...&#039; was probably a key fact that, if spread, could have changed everything. Kick out as many of those as you can, and watch for and echo the ones other people are setting into motion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re serious about an elected position&#8230; My suggestion is to understand how the world is changing, and come in at close to the same speed so that there isn&#8217;t a major collision.  Public opinion matters, you can shape opinion during your campaign, but on election day, your platform has to be consistent with the opinion of a majority. If you are serious there is more. </p>
<p>On the net as a writer or commenter you can be more extreme. I say things in comments that I would never say in a campaign, but it&#8217;s all kind of an experiment in shaping opinion, and I&#8217;m even open about that, which is an experiment as well. The manipulation is real, but they don&#8217;t have control here, we do. This is a different game.</p>
<p>I see the world as being governed by ideas in motion. If an idea has value, makes sense, and strikes an emotion, it will move,  gain momentum, and evolve,  until an outcome becomes inevitable. Everyone has a perceived reality consisting of these evolving ideas, that is what they base their decisions on, and as a whole, this is Public Opinion. Nobody is outside of this influence. This is what governs the world.</p>
<p>For me it&#8217;s a long term project.  If I have said anything that makes you see anything different, I have likely changed the world, because you will likely change the world. In the end, nobody will ever be able to put a finger on who really did it. You don&#8217;t have to agree with everything I say, just cherry pick it and take what you like. </p>
<p>Have you ever watched a debate in frustration thinking &#8220;if they would just say &#8216;&#8230;&#8217;  everyone would understand&#8221; ?  That &#8216;&#8230;&#8217; was probably a key fact that, if spread, could have changed everything. Kick out as many of those as you can, and watch for and echo the ones other people are setting into motion.</p>
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		<title>By: Tree</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36361</link>
		<dc:creator>Tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:57:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lol actually, rosemarie, I can get coffee for just 79 cents.  But the price I pay to have access to that is HUGE...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lol actually, rosemarie, I can get coffee for just 79 cents.  But the price I pay to have access to that is HUGE&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James... This explains a lot.
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/clueless-at-campaign-headquarters/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James&#8230; This explains a lot.<br />
<a href="http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/clueless-at-campaign-headquarters/" rel="nofollow">http://www.dissidentvoice.org/2008/11/clueless-at-campaign-headquarters/</a></p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36359</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:47:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James...Great question. I write because I breathe -  but I don&#039;t think that either of those activities (writing and breathing) will change much of anything.  The last time I really tried to make a difference, I was arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced - and even that did not do any good.  More recently, I ran for Vt Attorney General on the platform of putting Bush/Cheney on trial. Needless to say, I lost the election.  I&#039;m running out of ideas. Any suggestions?

Tree...Did I underestimate the cost?  I never buy coffee when I&#039;m out so I&#039;m out of touch on that issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James&#8230;Great question. I write because I breathe &#8211;  but I don&#8217;t think that either of those activities (writing and breathing) will change much of anything.  The last time I really tried to make a difference, I was arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced &#8211; and even that did not do any good.  More recently, I ran for Vt Attorney General on the platform of putting Bush/Cheney on trial. Needless to say, I lost the election.  I&#8217;m running out of ideas. Any suggestions?</p>
<p>Tree&#8230;Did I underestimate the cost?  I never buy coffee when I&#8217;m out so I&#8217;m out of touch on that issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Tree</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36357</link>
		<dc:creator>Tree</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 21:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to know where I can get coffee for only $1.50.</description>
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		<title>By: James Hovland</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36353</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hovland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 20:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosemarie,

&quot;Public opinion and $1.50 might get you a cup of coffee but not much else.&quot;

Why do you write?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosemarie,</p>
<p>&#8220;Public opinion and $1.50 might get you a cup of coffee but not much else.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why do you write?</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36338</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 18:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Angry Peasant...

James...Just a few points. Fluoride is a poison. Paul Connett, world expert on fluoride, spoke and I was fortunate to hear him. You and I probably agree on that issue.
About old folks being less informed - I might not agree with you. The problem is that now there is more information required to survive as compared with the old days. Life is much more complicated now. Now you need a doctor, dentist, lawyer, accountant, tech support guy, cable guy, neighborhood watch committee, taxpayer fairness group,....... Life is so complex no one has it figured out.  Just look at Wall Street.  Stereotyping a whole class by age might not be the best thing to do. Many old folks do not have computers. Computers are classist. You need money to have and maintain one.
Your point about public opinion - well I don&#039;t know about that.  Public opinion and $1.50 might get you a cup of coffee but not much else.   Right now we are watching white phosphorus being dropped on the civilian population in Gaza. We can watch it on TV. Does anyone care enough to take real action - no.  If the Holocaust was happening now, it would be televised and most people would tune their sets to Jeopardy.  Maybe all humanity has been bred out of us - Capitalism can do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Angry Peasant&#8230;</p>
<p>James&#8230;Just a few points. Fluoride is a poison. Paul Connett, world expert on fluoride, spoke and I was fortunate to hear him. You and I probably agree on that issue.<br />
About old folks being less informed &#8211; I might not agree with you. The problem is that now there is more information required to survive as compared with the old days. Life is much more complicated now. Now you need a doctor, dentist, lawyer, accountant, tech support guy, cable guy, neighborhood watch committee, taxpayer fairness group,&#8230;&#8230;. Life is so complex no one has it figured out.  Just look at Wall Street.  Stereotyping a whole class by age might not be the best thing to do. Many old folks do not have computers. Computers are classist. You need money to have and maintain one.<br />
Your point about public opinion &#8211; well I don&#8217;t know about that.  Public opinion and $1.50 might get you a cup of coffee but not much else.   Right now we are watching white phosphorus being dropped on the civilian population in Gaza. We can watch it on TV. Does anyone care enough to take real action &#8211; no.  If the Holocaust was happening now, it would be televised and most people would tune their sets to Jeopardy.  Maybe all humanity has been bred out of us &#8211; Capitalism can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: James Hovland</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36280</link>
		<dc:creator>James Hovland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosemarie and Angry Peasant,

Thank you for your input, allow me to clarify and explain.

NO.  I&#039;m not actually saying anything about Democrats, but I will. First let me help you get to a point where you have not already been defeated. If you can&#039;t see a path to success, you can only hope to get there by accident. That isn&#039;t your plan, is it? 

I understand the dumbing-down of America as well as anyone, if not better. Refer to my previous comments about Edward Bernays. This has gone on for the entire history of TV. This is one of the many subjects I have spent thousands of hours researching while online.

Let&#039;s examine your knowledge of the situation. Should I question that knowledge? Or just assume you have done your research, just like your parents and grandparents did? Did your parents know they were being dumbed down? Were they more or less knowledgeable about this than you or I? My parents are still pretty much clueless.

Try this on for size.  The &#039;Old White Guy&#039; party is dying of OLD age! In the meantime, every single year, without fail, about 4 million fresh new computer literate minds reach voting age.  

Are you too young to remember that we didn&#039;t always have the internet? Or are you old enough to have been beaten for too long to think anything will ever change? Or can you maybe learn to see things a little different?

This will help you to understand where my views come from. My interest in politics started after a six year free-range education in psychology that I pursued for my own purposes. In 2005 I was vaguely familiar with propaganda and was researching the campaign used in 1930s to criminalize marijuana when I stumbled on fluoride and the most professional propaganda I have ever seen. If you don&#039;t know about fluoride and how to avoid it, you&#039;re probably operating at about 15 IQ points below your potential. I grow most of my own food now and take a lot of iodine, because I  know what what is actually going on and a little more. The real concern is not what&#039;s in water, it&#039;s what is in our food, and why. Fluoride happens to be extremely effective against dental carries, not tooth decay. The difference is that decay is caused by sugar and what not, carries is caused by radiation. Understanding this actually made me feel better because I realized we were not being poisoned for no reason, but to protect us from the possibility of nuclear whatever. War was the problem, and a Dow AgroScience petition at the EPA for another unhealthy dose had just been approved, with some very well crafted deception, at the federal registry. My interpretation of this was, we were prepared for, and about to start, another war. A quick Google search turned up a pending  ultimatum for Iran to give up their uranium enrichment. I&#039;m still studying propaganda, but I have added history and politics because both are full of it. I&#039;m an independent for obvious reasons.

About the Democrats. I stand by my statement about the &#039;Right&#039; being a product of propaganda.  The &#039;Left&#039; on the other hand is a natural reaction to the &#039;Right&#039;, and they try to play the game, but they don&#039;t know all the rules and have never had any real &#039;professionals&#039;. I disagree with the party system, even so far as to reject third parties, but it&#039;s what we have to work with at the moment. 

What really matters, and the only thing that will ever change any of this, is &#039;Public Opinion&#039;, including that of the parties. Look at this part of Bernays quote again.

&quot;Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our government.” ~ Edward Bernays

Ah! I have an idea!

James Hovland, a product of freedom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosemarie and Angry Peasant,</p>
<p>Thank you for your input, allow me to clarify and explain.</p>
<p>NO.  I&#8217;m not actually saying anything about Democrats, but I will. First let me help you get to a point where you have not already been defeated. If you can&#8217;t see a path to success, you can only hope to get there by accident. That isn&#8217;t your plan, is it? </p>
<p>I understand the dumbing-down of America as well as anyone, if not better. Refer to my previous comments about Edward Bernays. This has gone on for the entire history of TV. This is one of the many subjects I have spent thousands of hours researching while online.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s examine your knowledge of the situation. Should I question that knowledge? Or just assume you have done your research, just like your parents and grandparents did? Did your parents know they were being dumbed down? Were they more or less knowledgeable about this than you or I? My parents are still pretty much clueless.</p>
<p>Try this on for size.  The &#8216;Old White Guy&#8217; party is dying of OLD age! In the meantime, every single year, without fail, about 4 million fresh new computer literate minds reach voting age.  </p>
<p>Are you too young to remember that we didn&#8217;t always have the internet? Or are you old enough to have been beaten for too long to think anything will ever change? Or can you maybe learn to see things a little different?</p>
<p>This will help you to understand where my views come from. My interest in politics started after a six year free-range education in psychology that I pursued for my own purposes. In 2005 I was vaguely familiar with propaganda and was researching the campaign used in 1930s to criminalize marijuana when I stumbled on fluoride and the most professional propaganda I have ever seen. If you don&#8217;t know about fluoride and how to avoid it, you&#8217;re probably operating at about 15 IQ points below your potential. I grow most of my own food now and take a lot of iodine, because I  know what what is actually going on and a little more. The real concern is not what&#8217;s in water, it&#8217;s what is in our food, and why. Fluoride happens to be extremely effective against dental carries, not tooth decay. The difference is that decay is caused by sugar and what not, carries is caused by radiation. Understanding this actually made me feel better because I realized we were not being poisoned for no reason, but to protect us from the possibility of nuclear whatever. War was the problem, and a Dow AgroScience petition at the EPA for another unhealthy dose had just been approved, with some very well crafted deception, at the federal registry. My interpretation of this was, we were prepared for, and about to start, another war. A quick Google search turned up a pending  ultimatum for Iran to give up their uranium enrichment. I&#8217;m still studying propaganda, but I have added history and politics because both are full of it. I&#8217;m an independent for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>About the Democrats. I stand by my statement about the &#8216;Right&#8217; being a product of propaganda.  The &#8216;Left&#8217; on the other hand is a natural reaction to the &#8216;Right&#8217;, and they try to play the game, but they don&#8217;t know all the rules and have never had any real &#8216;professionals&#8217;. I disagree with the party system, even so far as to reject third parties, but it&#8217;s what we have to work with at the moment. </p>
<p>What really matters, and the only thing that will ever change any of this, is &#8216;Public Opinion&#8217;, including that of the parties. Look at this part of Bernays quote again.</p>
<p>&#8220;Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our government.” ~ Edward Bernays</p>
<p>Ah! I have an idea!</p>
<p>James Hovland, a product of freedom</p>
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		<title>By: The Angry Peasant</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36273</link>
		<dc:creator>The Angry Peasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rosemarie&#039;s right, James. We at DV are painfully aware of the fraud that is the Democratic party. They don&#039;t want universal health care any more than the Republicans. When people refer to the &quot;right&quot; and the &quot;left,&quot; they&#039;re just talking about sides of the bed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rosemarie&#8217;s right, James. We at DV are painfully aware of the fraud that is the Democratic party. They don&#8217;t want universal health care any more than the Republicans. When people refer to the &#8220;right&#8221; and the &#8220;left,&#8221; they&#8217;re just talking about sides of the bed.</p>
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		<title>By: rosemarie jackowski</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/no-way-sanjay/#comment-36237</link>
		<dc:creator>rosemarie jackowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James Hovland...Are you saying that now that there is a dem in the White House we will all have quality health care?
I also would question your assertion that people are more knowledgeable now.  Maybe they could be, but check the line-up of TV programs - 95% of which contribute to the dumbing-down of the population.  I call it predatory, willful ignorance.
I do not share your optimism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James Hovland&#8230;Are you saying that now that there is a dem in the White House we will all have quality health care?<br />
I also would question your assertion that people are more knowledgeable now.  Maybe they could be, but check the line-up of TV programs &#8211; 95% of which contribute to the dumbing-down of the population.  I call it predatory, willful ignorance.<br />
I do not share your optimism.</p>
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