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	<title>Comments on: Mitchell, Ross, and Holbrooke…and the Outlook for Southwest Asia</title>
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		<title>By: Nuno Rogeiro</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/mitchell-ross-and-holbrooke%e2%80%a6and-the-outlook-for-southwest-asia/#comment-38635</link>
		<dc:creator>Nuno Rogeiro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. A Catholic with Arab ties for the Middle East, a Jew with Christian ties to Iran, a Jew who protected European Muslims for Afghanistan...There may be a message for the masses here.

2.The Taliban didn&#039;t  originally have  an anti-US agenda, and very close to 9/11 there was talk of opening a Taliban embassy in Washington DC. But any cozying up with the Taliban may allienate Iran, if Iran gets in the US ship and &quot;civilises&quot; the nuclar conundrum, changes course on Israel (there was an Israeli Embassy in Teheran until 1979, in a building in Niavaran, now occupied by the PA and Hamas) and &quot;modernises&quot; under Khatami or others (for example, from the technocratic Ravand Instiute).
3. In the larger chess board, the real revolution would be peace between a peaceful, developped Iran and a democratic and non-bellicose Israel. The two countries don&#039;t have an history of animosity prior to the Islamic Revolution, nor territorial, demographic or economic/natural resources claims.
4. This could anger Saudi Arabia, but that is another story.
5. The NIE estimate on Iran revealed two things (not only one): that Iran had a nuclear weapons program, and that it stopped (although there is no much detail on its status - cancellation, suspension or postponement).
6. Although Ross may sound like many people from other sides of the spectrum, as far as i know he never preached a military attack against Tehran, but increased international pressure and sanctions. The same for the Holbrooke-Woolsey lobby.

Nuno Rogeiro
Lisbon
Portugal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. A Catholic with Arab ties for the Middle East, a Jew with Christian ties to Iran, a Jew who protected European Muslims for Afghanistan&#8230;There may be a message for the masses here.</p>
<p>2.The Taliban didn&#8217;t  originally have  an anti-US agenda, and very close to 9/11 there was talk of opening a Taliban embassy in Washington DC. But any cozying up with the Taliban may allienate Iran, if Iran gets in the US ship and &#8220;civilises&#8221; the nuclar conundrum, changes course on Israel (there was an Israeli Embassy in Teheran until 1979, in a building in Niavaran, now occupied by the PA and Hamas) and &#8220;modernises&#8221; under Khatami or others (for example, from the technocratic Ravand Instiute).<br />
3. In the larger chess board, the real revolution would be peace between a peaceful, developped Iran and a democratic and non-bellicose Israel. The two countries don&#8217;t have an history of animosity prior to the Islamic Revolution, nor territorial, demographic or economic/natural resources claims.<br />
4. This could anger Saudi Arabia, but that is another story.<br />
5. The NIE estimate on Iran revealed two things (not only one): that Iran had a nuclear weapons program, and that it stopped (although there is no much detail on its status &#8211; cancellation, suspension or postponement).<br />
6. Although Ross may sound like many people from other sides of the spectrum, as far as i know he never preached a military attack against Tehran, but increased international pressure and sanctions. The same for the Holbrooke-Woolsey lobby.</p>
<p>Nuno Rogeiro<br />
Lisbon<br />
Portugal</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RH2, thnx for explanation.</description>
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		<title>By: RH2</title>
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		<dc:creator>RH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozh,

By soft zionism I mean hidden zionism. When it comes to Israel, Chomsky assiduously covers his affiliation with his jewish tribe. He has even negated the jewish lobby and its influence on the US foreign policy. On the zionist genociding of Palestinians from the air with F16s he would tell us, it is a matter of israeli pilots flying US made jet fighters or helicopters. He often cites the American crimes in Vietnam as a missing evidence for the jewish lobby. But he should know very well, that the American imperialsim ist not restricted to the war crimes in Vietnam. Henry Kissinger, a war criminal and architect of the US foreign policy at that time may had not been representing zionist interests in Vietnam. What about the Middle East?

He is for a two state solution, because he is concerned about the jewish entity. A one state would endanger the jews in their heritage and self-concept.  

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozh,</p>
<p>By soft zionism I mean hidden zionism. When it comes to Israel, Chomsky assiduously covers his affiliation with his jewish tribe. He has even negated the jewish lobby and its influence on the US foreign policy. On the zionist genociding of Palestinians from the air with F16s he would tell us, it is a matter of israeli pilots flying US made jet fighters or helicopters. He often cites the American crimes in Vietnam as a missing evidence for the jewish lobby. But he should know very well, that the American imperialsim ist not restricted to the war crimes in Vietnam. Henry Kissinger, a war criminal and architect of the US foreign policy at that time may had not been representing zionist interests in Vietnam. What about the Middle East?</p>
<p>He is for a two state solution, because he is concerned about the jewish entity. A one state would endanger the jews in their heritage and self-concept.  </p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to settle the score and to render our planet even an iota more decent and peceful, we must prosecute postumously  all dead and  living israelis who have commited major crimes against humanities.
however, if pals wld rather have their state(lets) and want to forgo prosecution, then i wld give up that notion as well.

but i don&#039;t expect pals to accept dozens of mostly untouching neighborhoods for a &#039;state&#039; under constant threat.
i still hold hope that fatah has not changed its basics. fatah may see the obvious: nothing can be achieved by military means. however, i do not condemn hamas and other resistance groups.
with just US so viciously antipal&#039;n, pals are not going anywhere.
so, choose lesser evil: oppression, barricades, walls, child hunts, torture, kidnapping, etc.

i&#039;ve already stated that chomsky, et al, is a mini zionist. US may be medi or maxi zionistic.  and chomsky  is worried about that; he just approbates the initial theft of land and the expulsion of pals.
but then 99.99% of all &#039;jews&#039; do likewise. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to settle the score and to render our planet even an iota more decent and peceful, we must prosecute postumously  all dead and  living israelis who have commited major crimes against humanities.<br />
however, if pals wld rather have their state(lets) and want to forgo prosecution, then i wld give up that notion as well.</p>
<p>but i don&#8217;t expect pals to accept dozens of mostly untouching neighborhoods for a &#8217;state&#8217; under constant threat.<br />
i still hold hope that fatah has not changed its basics. fatah may see the obvious: nothing can be achieved by military means. however, i do not condemn hamas and other resistance groups.<br />
with just US so viciously antipal&#8217;n, pals are not going anywhere.<br />
so, choose lesser evil: oppression, barricades, walls, child hunts, torture, kidnapping, etc.</p>
<p>i&#8217;ve already stated that chomsky, et al, is a mini zionist. US may be medi or maxi zionistic.  and chomsky  is worried about that; he just approbates the initial theft of land and the expulsion of pals.<br />
but then 99.99% of all &#8216;jews&#8217; do likewise. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RH2,
by  &quot;soft&quot;  &#039;zionism&#039;  you may mean a two state (non) solution?  that even bush did&#039;nt want? or at at least made no attempt to establish! 
chomsky has stated that he is for a two state &#039;solution&#039;.
 a two state solution might not change judeo-christian stance; i.e., the second state might not ever be gladhanded yet easily attacked, reoccupied, condemned as a terrorist state and abused in many ways. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RH2,<br />
by  &#8220;soft&#8221;  &#8216;zionism&#8217;  you may mean a two state (non) solution?  that even bush did&#8217;nt want? or at at least made no attempt to establish!<br />
chomsky has stated that he is for a two state &#8217;solution&#8217;.<br />
 a two state solution might not change judeo-christian stance; i.e., the second state might not ever be gladhanded yet easily attacked, reoccupied, condemned as a terrorist state and abused in many ways. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: RH2</title>
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		<dc:creator>RH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max,

Chomsky, a linguist, uses semantics to cover his soft zionism. Yes, the USA Empire has many agents in a well designed chain of dependencies. Zionism is not the only, but a major variable in imperialism.

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>Chomsky, a linguist, uses semantics to cover his soft zionism. Yes, the USA Empire has many agents in a well designed chain of dependencies. Zionism is not the only, but a major variable in imperialism.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Micahel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Micahel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1982 AIPAC weighed in heavily in Maine, helping to pull off the upset victory of George Mitchell over Representative David Emory. Mitchell had never before won an election. In a post-election call Mitchell thanked AIPAC&#039;s Dine for his critical support and said, &quot;I will remember you.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1982 AIPAC weighed in heavily in Maine, helping to pull off the upset victory of George Mitchell over Representative David Emory. Mitchell had never before won an election. In a post-election call Mitchell thanked AIPAC&#8217;s Dine for his critical support and said, &#8220;I will remember you.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deadbeat I don&#039;t get my &quot;marching orders&quot; from Chomsky.

I rarely use his name except in an occasional response to others. He does not &quot;own&quot; the idea of American Empire nor the fact that it is run by corporate plutocrats.

However, I do agree with you on one key point divesture is very important and Chomsky is clearly on the wrong side of that.

I also think, and here there is more controversy, that there should be a one state solution, right of return for Palestinians being absolutely central. Again, Chomsky is on the other side.

But again, I won&#039;t through the &quot;baby out with the water&quot; just because I disagree with Chomsky on key (and I think important) issues. If he has blind followers (like the ones who follow Obama like lost sheep) well what good are they to this cause that demands much more....

Zionism rears its ugly head as it converges with the corporate plutocracy, but it is but a segment of the total USA Empire landscape.

Max</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deadbeat I don&#8217;t get my &#8220;marching orders&#8221; from Chomsky.</p>
<p>I rarely use his name except in an occasional response to others. He does not &#8220;own&#8221; the idea of American Empire nor the fact that it is run by corporate plutocrats.</p>
<p>However, I do agree with you on one key point divesture is very important and Chomsky is clearly on the wrong side of that.</p>
<p>I also think, and here there is more controversy, that there should be a one state solution, right of return for Palestinians being absolutely central. Again, Chomsky is on the other side.</p>
<p>But again, I won&#8217;t through the &#8220;baby out with the water&#8221; just because I disagree with Chomsky on key (and I think important) issues. If he has blind followers (like the ones who follow Obama like lost sheep) well what good are they to this cause that demands much more&#8230;.</p>
<p>Zionism rears its ugly head as it converges with the corporate plutocracy, but it is but a segment of the total USA Empire landscape.</p>
<p>Max</p>
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		<title>By: Deadbeat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Deadbeat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 07:44:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max writes ...

&lt;i&gt;It is very important we keep these facts in mind. Narrowly thinking this is simply a Zionist plot, misses the vital distinctions. The enemy is the corporate plutocracy which has its tentacles around the US government and it’s foreign policies.&lt;/i&gt;

I generally agree with Max&#039;s cautionary remarks is so far as activist should look at all of the interlocking aspects of oppression.  That corporate plutocracy is AMONG the enemies.  We should not lose sight that racism operates alongside the corporate plutocracy as well.  There is also a caution that needs to be observed from the focus solely on the &quot;corporate plutocracy&quot;.

The Left over the past GENERATION has used all of its cache and influence to OBSCURE Zionism as a problem.  The focus on Zionism is only a RECENT occurrence.  It has been the obfuscation of Zionism especially by the Left that has allowed this rancid ideology to flourish. 

Confronting Zionism in fact will help activist to fight ALL forms of oppression -- corporate plutocracy as well as racism because it will help EDUCATE people about being vigilant against all forms of oppression.  Remember that MLK didn&#039;t tie militarism, materialism, and racism together until 1967.  To remain relevant he too had to EXPAND his focus. 

And this is why someone like Noam Chomsky is IRRELEVANT despite all of the energy he has used to keep activist focused SOLELY on the &quot;corporate plutocracy&quot;.  To be relevant and to be effective activist must confront the plutocracy AND RACISM.  The two go hand in hand.

I share Max&#039;s caution but as history has shown fighting racism will eventually lead to fighting the plutocracy.  Therefore for now I welcome the growing awareness of the need to confront Zionism among activists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max writes &#8230;</p>
<p><i>It is very important we keep these facts in mind. Narrowly thinking this is simply a Zionist plot, misses the vital distinctions. The enemy is the corporate plutocracy which has its tentacles around the US government and it’s foreign policies.</i></p>
<p>I generally agree with Max&#8217;s cautionary remarks is so far as activist should look at all of the interlocking aspects of oppression.  That corporate plutocracy is AMONG the enemies.  We should not lose sight that racism operates alongside the corporate plutocracy as well.  There is also a caution that needs to be observed from the focus solely on the &#8220;corporate plutocracy&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Left over the past GENERATION has used all of its cache and influence to OBSCURE Zionism as a problem.  The focus on Zionism is only a RECENT occurrence.  It has been the obfuscation of Zionism especially by the Left that has allowed this rancid ideology to flourish. </p>
<p>Confronting Zionism in fact will help activist to fight ALL forms of oppression &#8212; corporate plutocracy as well as racism because it will help EDUCATE people about being vigilant against all forms of oppression.  Remember that MLK didn&#8217;t tie militarism, materialism, and racism together until 1967.  To remain relevant he too had to EXPAND his focus. </p>
<p>And this is why someone like Noam Chomsky is IRRELEVANT despite all of the energy he has used to keep activist focused SOLELY on the &#8220;corporate plutocracy&#8221;.  To be relevant and to be effective activist must confront the plutocracy AND RACISM.  The two go hand in hand.</p>
<p>I share Max&#8217;s caution but as history has shown fighting racism will eventually lead to fighting the plutocracy.  Therefore for now I welcome the growing awareness of the need to confront Zionism among activists.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 04:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bozh, we know that their are geopolitical US strategists and these stategiest cross party administrations. There is a constancy regardless of party or sitting President.

The Dems and Republicans have carved out a vocabulary difference. During his tenure, George W. Bush said almost exactly the same thing as our new President recites. The tenure and stress is ever so slightly different. Bush agrees we need to close Gitmo, and Obama says, yes, in a year (or so). Bush says the US does not &quot;torture&quot; and Obama says the same. And those are the &quot;big&quot; differences so far (i.e., no difference at all).

The &quot;war on terror&quot; is the language of both Obama and Bush. The occupation in Iraq continues with no end in sight (given Obama&#039;s statements) and the Afghanistan &quot;war on terror&quot; is going to be ramped up with no end in sight. 

But we must step back from the moment, so close as to be blinding. We must see how the US has managed the Middle East (in much the same fashion as the rest of its empire). It owns the leaders and supports their control over the population. 

We know through polls that Arabs and Persians/Iranians (and so far Syria) are on the same page concerning support for the Palestinians over the Western/Israel murderers and occupiers. But this is not true of the rulers of the other Arab nations. The latter are firmly in the pocket of the US. A little nod now and then to the Palestinian plight, but no real intervention when Israel murders Palestinian children. Abbas has become another lackey for US imperialism. Bought and delivered.

But for the Arab people, on the street the story is entirely different.

It is very important we keep these facts in mind. Narrowly thinking this is simply a Zionist plot, misses the vital distinctions. The enemy is the corporate plutocracy which has its tentacles around the US government and it&#039;s foreign policies.

This plutocracy is a convergence of mutual interests which are played out in the political arena where the congress and the executive branch are patsies. This is not new. When FDR had the chance he never killed the evil plutocrats, but saved their asses, and let them go on until they&#039;ve grown into the monster that holds total control over this so-called republic aka USA Imperial Empire. Empire was made possible through the use of corporate charters. The link is inseparable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bozh, we know that their are geopolitical US strategists and these stategiest cross party administrations. There is a constancy regardless of party or sitting President.</p>
<p>The Dems and Republicans have carved out a vocabulary difference. During his tenure, George W. Bush said almost exactly the same thing as our new President recites. The tenure and stress is ever so slightly different. Bush agrees we need to close Gitmo, and Obama says, yes, in a year (or so). Bush says the US does not &#8220;torture&#8221; and Obama says the same. And those are the &#8220;big&#8221; differences so far (i.e., no difference at all).</p>
<p>The &#8220;war on terror&#8221; is the language of both Obama and Bush. The occupation in Iraq continues with no end in sight (given Obama&#8217;s statements) and the Afghanistan &#8220;war on terror&#8221; is going to be ramped up with no end in sight. </p>
<p>But we must step back from the moment, so close as to be blinding. We must see how the US has managed the Middle East (in much the same fashion as the rest of its empire). It owns the leaders and supports their control over the population. </p>
<p>We know through polls that Arabs and Persians/Iranians (and so far Syria) are on the same page concerning support for the Palestinians over the Western/Israel murderers and occupiers. But this is not true of the rulers of the other Arab nations. The latter are firmly in the pocket of the US. A little nod now and then to the Palestinian plight, but no real intervention when Israel murders Palestinian children. Abbas has become another lackey for US imperialism. Bought and delivered.</p>
<p>But for the Arab people, on the street the story is entirely different.</p>
<p>It is very important we keep these facts in mind. Narrowly thinking this is simply a Zionist plot, misses the vital distinctions. The enemy is the corporate plutocracy which has its tentacles around the US government and it&#8217;s foreign policies.</p>
<p>This plutocracy is a convergence of mutual interests which are played out in the political arena where the congress and the executive branch are patsies. This is not new. When FDR had the chance he never killed the evil plutocrats, but saved their asses, and let them go on until they&#8217;ve grown into the monster that holds total control over this so-called republic aka USA Imperial Empire. Empire was made possible through the use of corporate charters. The link is inseparable.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Miksell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Miksell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:00:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans need to unite and take our government back!

Never Surrender Your Freedom!</description>
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<p>Never Surrender Your Freedom!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Miksell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Miksell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 01:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans need to unite and take our government back!</description>
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		<title>By: bozh</title>
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		<dc:creator>bozh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 22:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>max, 
yes, empires are run by the exalted; while, the rest of us are being (ab)used.
as to how many people rule america; ie, how many set all its policies, we can only guess about.
but, broadly there is the working, the midle, the managerial, and a class that set&#039;s all policies of salient import.
there must be at least 1 mn such people in US.

but from just talking to working class canadians or even middle class, one realizes to what degree these people are misled. thnx</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>max,<br />
yes, empires are run by the exalted; while, the rest of us are being (ab)used.<br />
as to how many people rule america; ie, how many set all its policies, we can only guess about.<br />
but, broadly there is the working, the midle, the managerial, and a class that set&#8217;s all policies of salient import.<br />
there must be at least 1 mn such people in US.</p>
<p>but from just talking to working class canadians or even middle class, one realizes to what degree these people are misled. thnx</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 21:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, this empire is run by a corporate plutocracy.

Obama is simply another shade of Bush. The MSM knows this to be the case which is why they (the pundits) state that the window dressing (closing Gitmo, &quot;no&quot; torture ala GWB&#039;s exact words)  in no way changes the foreign (and hence domestic) trajectory of the USA Empire.

It seems we lose sight of this even as the Zionists here and in Israel slaughter Palestinian children, civilian women and men.

We lose sight of the entire geopolitical game that has been going on for over a century as soon as the US took the imperial empire mantle from the Brit Empire. It is the US who keeps the oligarchies in power in the ME (that&#039;s the Arab oligarchies). The idea is to keep Middle Eastern public oppressed. The US has agreements with these oligarchies (Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt...) no less binding than the one it has with Israel to ensure they stay in power and the oil continues to be in US control.

The enemy for these plutocracies is the people - the &quot;street&quot; must be kept at bay, but be at once divided and ruled. 

If you think all of this is about Zionism your thinking is dangerously flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, this empire is run by a corporate plutocracy.</p>
<p>Obama is simply another shade of Bush. The MSM knows this to be the case which is why they (the pundits) state that the window dressing (closing Gitmo, &#8220;no&#8221; torture ala GWB&#8217;s exact words)  in no way changes the foreign (and hence domestic) trajectory of the USA Empire.</p>
<p>It seems we lose sight of this even as the Zionists here and in Israel slaughter Palestinian children, civilian women and men.</p>
<p>We lose sight of the entire geopolitical game that has been going on for over a century as soon as the US took the imperial empire mantle from the Brit Empire. It is the US who keeps the oligarchies in power in the ME (that&#8217;s the Arab oligarchies). The idea is to keep Middle Eastern public oppressed. The US has agreements with these oligarchies (Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, Egypt&#8230;) no less binding than the one it has with Israel to ensure they stay in power and the oil continues to be in US control.</p>
<p>The enemy for these plutocracies is the people &#8211; the &#8220;street&#8221; must be kept at bay, but be at once divided and ruled. </p>
<p>If you think all of this is about Zionism your thinking is dangerously flawed.</p>
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		<title>By: RH2</title>
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		<dc:creator>RH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 19:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beverly,

You are right. Therefore I cited the story above. With Obamas’ cabinet including the shiny raaaaaaahm  from Israel the future is indeed gloomy. Obama, who stood in Al Quds and spoke of an undivided Jerusalem, has clearly put obstacles in Palestinans ‘ way. Not even G. W. Bush has spit out such a declaration. Yes, under the current conditions the prognosis is miserable.

Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beverly,</p>
<p>You are right. Therefore I cited the story above. With Obamas’ cabinet including the shiny raaaaaaahm  from Israel the future is indeed gloomy. Obama, who stood in Al Quds and spoke of an undivided Jerusalem, has clearly put obstacles in Palestinans ‘ way. Not even G. W. Bush has spit out such a declaration. Yes, under the current conditions the prognosis is miserable.</p>
<p>Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: Beverly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beverly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 14:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Much is being made in the media of George Mitchell&#039;s Lebanese ancestry as if such will positively affect his actions in the Middle East.  Don&#039;t hold your breath.  Like Obama, Mitchell&#039;s strongest ties are to the lineage of the military/corporate/Zionist complex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Much is being made in the media of George Mitchell&#8217;s Lebanese ancestry as if such will positively affect his actions in the Middle East.  Don&#8217;t hold your breath.  Like Obama, Mitchell&#8217;s strongest ties are to the lineage of the military/corporate/Zionist complex.</p>
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		<title>By: Habu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Habu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 03:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This time Dennis Ross will have his hands full.  He is not dealing with the prostrate Palestinian Authority whom he used to &#039;push&#039; around.  The Iranians will lead him on a merry-go-round.  At the end of the day, he will not be able to hold sway.  You say threaten war?  Don&#039;t make me laugh.  As bad as the US and world economies are, the US can ill afford to wage war on Iran.  The authorities in Tehran have perfected the art of asymmetrical response to any attack by the US.  Let alone the narrow straits of the Gul;f of Hormuz, the Iranians will knock off the oil facilities on the western Persian Gulf.  Then the world will be looking at high oil prices for a prolonged period.  That will precipitate the Great Depression!

The article is on point and is meant to secure the energy resources of the Middle East and Central Asia for the Empire.  That will not happen, not because of ‘opposition’ in the US, but because locals in these regions will oppose such designs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This time Dennis Ross will have his hands full.  He is not dealing with the prostrate Palestinian Authority whom he used to &#8216;push&#8217; around.  The Iranians will lead him on a merry-go-round.  At the end of the day, he will not be able to hold sway.  You say threaten war?  Don&#8217;t make me laugh.  As bad as the US and world economies are, the US can ill afford to wage war on Iran.  The authorities in Tehran have perfected the art of asymmetrical response to any attack by the US.  Let alone the narrow straits of the Gul;f of Hormuz, the Iranians will knock off the oil facilities on the western Persian Gulf.  Then the world will be looking at high oil prices for a prolonged period.  That will precipitate the Great Depression!</p>
<p>The article is on point and is meant to secure the energy resources of the Middle East and Central Asia for the Empire.  That will not happen, not because of ‘opposition’ in the US, but because locals in these regions will oppose such designs.</p>
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		<title>By: DavidG.</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidG.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America religiously appoints Envoys and Ambassadors who work against peace! Why?

America supports UMA. America wants endless war. America wants its armament factories working 24 hours a day.  America wants to expand its imperial grasp on the world.

Peace? Forget it!

www.dangerouscreation.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America religiously appoints Envoys and Ambassadors who work against peace! Why?</p>
<p>America supports UMA. America wants endless war. America wants its armament factories working 24 hours a day.  America wants to expand its imperial grasp on the world.</p>
<p>Peace? Forget it!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dangerouscreation.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.dangerouscreation.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: DavidG.</title>
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		<dc:creator>DavidG.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 01:18:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America religiously appoints Envoys and Ambassadors who work against peace! Why?

America supports UMA. America wants endless war. America wants its armament factories working 24 hours a day.  America wants to expand its imperial grasp on the world.

Peace? Forget it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America religiously appoints Envoys and Ambassadors who work against peace! Why?</p>
<p>America supports UMA. America wants endless war. America wants its armament factories working 24 hours a day.  America wants to expand its imperial grasp on the world.</p>
<p>Peace? Forget it!</p>
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		<title>By: RH2</title>
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		<dc:creator>RH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 22:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is replacing Ross by Mitchell as special envoy to the Middle East promising for building a palestinian state with land, air and sea sovereignty ? I remember a story I heard  as a child. Once up on a time there  was a little town with an Islamic imam who demanded from his community high taxes. Wise men in the town decided,  the whole community should  convert to Christianity in order to get rid of paying high taxes. A day after their conversion the imam appeared in a black robe with a cross hanging on his neck.

I hope to be mistaken and able to say, Obama is a good guy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is replacing Ross by Mitchell as special envoy to the Middle East promising for building a palestinian state with land, air and sea sovereignty ? I remember a story I heard  as a child. Once up on a time there  was a little town with an Islamic imam who demanded from his community high taxes. Wise men in the town decided,  the whole community should  convert to Christianity in order to get rid of paying high taxes. A day after their conversion the imam appeared in a black robe with a cross hanging on his neck.</p>
<p>I hope to be mistaken and able to say, Obama is a good guy.</p>
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