Comments on: Israel’s Aim: To Make the Gazan Prison Even More Secure http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Sun, 22 Nov 2009 17:51:44 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Phil http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/#comment-35733 Phil Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:45:55 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5932#comment-35733 <i>It therefore needs another ceasefire similar to the one that expired on Dec 19. The questions are: who will “sign” it and what will be its terms?</i> None of that matters. Everyone knows perfectly well Israel will never abide by any cease-fire, so it's only a matter of time before the Gazans fight back again. It's just one more trip around the same circle. It therefore needs another ceasefire similar to the one that expired on Dec 19. The questions are: who will “sign” it and what will be its terms?

None of that matters. Everyone knows perfectly well Israel will never abide by any cease-fire, so it’s only a matter of time before the Gazans fight back again. It’s just one more trip around the same circle.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/#comment-35702 bozh Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:26:19 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5932#comment-35702 what fatah, headed by abbas, is doing appears puzling to me. still, lotsof people have not discerned that if fatah is willing to accept status quo or less than what palestinians have now, why isn't US/EU/Israel offering them a proposal or even a diktat? or have they and the offer was rejected? in other words, fatah also wants the 22% of palestine. and US may be offfering them 10% which is less than clinton's 14%. palestinians may realize or KNOW that whatever they do or don't do, situation wld remain the same or worsen anyway. but they have bodies. that's the only asset fatah and hamas have. thnx what fatah, headed by abbas, is doing appears puzling to me. still, lotsof people have not discerned that if fatah is willing to accept status quo or less than what palestinians have now, why isn’t US/EU/Israel offering them a proposal or even a diktat?
or have they and the offer was rejected? in other words, fatah also wants the 22% of palestine.
and US may be offfering them 10% which is less than clinton’s 14%.

palestinians may realize or KNOW that whatever they do or don’t do, situation wld remain the same or worsen anyway. but they have bodies. that’s the only asset fatah and hamas have. thnx

]]> By: Suthiano http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/#comment-35677 Suthiano Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:21:27 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5932#comment-35677 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev6ojm62qwA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ev6ojm62qwA

]]> By: giorgio http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/#comment-35675 giorgio Thu, 08 Jan 2009 02:04:27 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5932#comment-35675 mebosa ritchie, I have read and commented on some of your posts. You say, "all the articles about gaza are anti-israel and any pro-israel postings are removed and the poster gets blocked..." Seriously? So let's read your pro-israel postings and have an open minded debate. OK? Let's hear what you have in defence of the present Gaza slaughter... mebosa ritchie,
I have read and commented on some of your posts. You say,
“all the articles about gaza are anti-israel and any pro-israel postings are removed and the poster gets blocked…” Seriously?
So let’s read your pro-israel postings and have an open minded debate. OK? Let’s hear what you have in defence of the present Gaza slaughter…

]]> By: Paul Meyer http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/#comment-35662 Paul Meyer Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:22:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5932#comment-35662 Jonathan makes excellent points, and lived in a context lending weight to his analysis. However, I know for a fact that gates are being erected, as we watch, before all the major cities of the West Bank--preparing for a dozen "minor prisons", leaving virtually all of the remainder of the West Bank for colonization. As Sara Roy has said, what is happening to Gaza today will imposed on the West Bank tomorrow--even if Abu Quisling is "in charge". Jonathan makes excellent points, and lived in a context lending weight to his analysis. However, I know for a fact that gates are being erected, as we watch, before all the major cities of the West Bank–preparing for a dozen “minor prisons”, leaving virtually all of the remainder of the West Bank for colonization. As Sara Roy has said, what is happening to Gaza today will imposed on the West Bank tomorrow–even if Abu Quisling is “in charge”.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/#comment-35651 bozh Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:52:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5932#comment-35651 herb glatter, as far as i know, there is no evidence, that israelites are still with us. even the priests speak of israelis as ten lost tribes. regarding judeans, they too were either slaughtered/expelled or fled to arab lands. thus, ashkenazic voelken cannot be descendants of the judeans because there was few or no jews in europe or roman empire. historians tell us that european 'jews' did not speak hebraic. and we know that they even today have european last and first names. does one think that such fierce cultists would ever give up their language or names if they were jewish? thnx herb glatter,
as far as i know, there is no evidence, that israelites are still with us. even the priests speak of israelis as ten lost tribes.
regarding judeans, they too were either slaughtered/expelled or fled to arab lands.
thus, ashkenazic voelken cannot be descendants of the judeans because there was few or no jews in europe or roman empire.
historians tell us that european ‘jews’ did not speak hebraic. and we know that they even today have european last and first names.
does one think that such fierce cultists would ever give up their language or names if they were jewish? thnx

]]> By: herb glatter http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/#comment-35632 herb glatter Wed, 07 Jan 2009 19:31:53 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5932#comment-35632 since the reestablishment of the State of Israel in 1948: Egypt waged war against Yemen, Algerian Islamists slaughtered 150,000 Algerians, Syria slaughtered 20,000 Syrians in Hama 1982, Lebanon 150,000 dead in "civil" war,King Hussein of Jordan slaughters 10,000 palestinians September 1970, Iran/Iraq war 1 MILLION MUSLIMS dead, Kuwait ethicnally cleansed 400,000 palestinians after Gulf War - NOTICE WHAT IS MISSING HERE? NOT ONE JEW WAS INVOLVED since the reestablishment of the State of Israel in 1948: Egypt waged war against Yemen, Algerian Islamists slaughtered 150,000 Algerians, Syria slaughtered 20,000 Syrians in Hama 1982, Lebanon 150,000 dead in “civil” war,King Hussein of Jordan slaughters 10,000 palestinians September 1970, Iran/Iraq war 1 MILLION MUSLIMS dead, Kuwait ethicnally cleansed 400,000 palestinians after Gulf War – NOTICE WHAT IS MISSING HERE? NOT ONE JEW WAS INVOLVED

]]> By: Thomas http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/#comment-35628 Thomas Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:54:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5932#comment-35628 Jonathon, I fear for Israel's security. Will they rely on international forces to prevent Hamas from rearming - the same goons who were supposed to prevent Hezbollah from rearming? The residents of sedorot - men, women and children - have been psychologically damaged from all the rockets that have been aimed at them. These ceasfires agreements are mere farces. Jonathon, let us pray that Israel overcomes the threats posed to them by the terrorist brutes. Please join me in prayer for the people of Israel and the doomed sedorot residents. It's the least we can do to assist them in their dire circumstance. Keep up the good work, and your impartial and heartfelt reporting. Jonathon, I fear for Israel’s security. Will they rely on international forces to prevent Hamas from rearming – the same goons who were supposed to prevent Hezbollah from rearming? The residents of sedorot – men, women and children – have been psychologically damaged from all the rockets that have been aimed at them. These ceasfires agreements are mere farces. Jonathon, let us pray that Israel overcomes the threats posed to them by the terrorist brutes. Please join me in prayer for the people of Israel and the doomed sedorot residents. It’s the least we can do to assist them in their dire circumstance. Keep up the good work, and your impartial and heartfelt reporting.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/israel%e2%80%99s-aim-to-make-the-gazan-prison-even-more-secure/#comment-35626 bozh Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:36:13 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5932#comment-35626 tactics are connected to strategy; ie, final goal. it is interesting that we do not know what the fianl goal is for EU,UK,US, and israel. we know what these players are against, but we don't know what each of these criminals nations is for. what are they against? it seems they are against palestinian right and duty to resist occupation violently in any degree. we are therefore forced to guess about the aims of each of these participants in crimes against yet another indigenous folk whose only 'crime' is that they are in the wrong place in the eyes of perps of these crimes. the fact that, after 60 years of warfare/expulsion/destruction of orchards/homes, etc., we still don't have an agreement, strongly suggests that israel wants at least all of the palestine and parts of lebanon and syria. gaza massacre is a tactical success but does it gain anything strategically? looks to me it gains very little or nothing. the problem for 'jews', as always, is palestinians. they can't be ousted! israel would expel them if they could! let's recall that they expelled 7-800 td palestinians in '48 when all christian lands were against them. but the UN of today is not UN of '48. and now people are much better informed. and then there is that darn oil. thnx tactics are connected to strategy; ie, final goal. it is interesting that we do not know what the fianl goal is for EU,UK,US, and israel.
we know what these players are against, but we don’t know what each of these criminals nations is for.
what are they against? it seems they are against palestinian right and duty to resist occupation violently in any degree.

we are therefore forced to guess about the aims of each of these participants in crimes against yet another indigenous folk whose only ‘crime’ is that they are in the wrong place in the eyes of perps of these crimes.

the fact that, after 60 years of warfare/expulsion/destruction of orchards/homes, etc., we still don’t have an agreement, strongly suggests that israel wants at least all of the palestine and parts of lebanon and syria.

gaza massacre is a tactical success but does it gain anything strategically? looks to me it gains very little or nothing. the problem for ‘jews’, as always, is palestinians.
they can’t be ousted! israel would expel them if they could!
let’s recall that they expelled 7-800 td palestinians in ‘48 when all christian lands were against them.

but the UN of today is not UN of ‘48. and now people are much better informed. and then there is that darn oil. thnx

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