Is Gaza a Testing Ground for Experimental Weapons?

Nazareth — Concerns about Israel’s use of non-conventional and experimental weapons in the Gaza Strip are growing, with evasive comments from spokesmen and reluctance to allow independent journalists inside the tiny enclave only fuelling speculation.

The most prominent controversy is over the use of shells containing white phosphorus, which causes horrific burns when it comes into contact with skin. Under international law, phosphorus is allowed as a smokescreen to protect soldiers but treated as a chemical weapon when used against civilians.

The Israeli army maintains that it is using only weapons authorized in international law, though human rights groups have severely criticized Israel for firing phosphorus shells over densely populated areas of Gaza.

But there might be other unconventional weapons Israel is using out of sight of the watching world.

One such munition may be Dime, or dense inert metal explosive, a weapon recently developed by the US army to create a powerful and lethal blast over a small area.

The munition is supposed to still be in the development stage and is not yet regulated. There are fears, however, that Israel may have received a green light from the US military to treat Gaza as a testing ground.

“We have seen Gaza used as a laboratory for testing what I call weapons from hell,” said David Halpin, a retired British surgeon and trauma specialist who has visited Gaza on several occasions to investigate unusual injuries suffered by Gazans.

“I fear the thinking in Israel is that it is in its interests to create as much mutilation as possible to terrorise the civilian population in the hope they will turn against Hamas.”

Gaza’s doctors, including one of the few foreigners there, Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian specialist in emergency medicine working at Al Shifa hospital in Gaza City, report that many of the injuries they see are consistent with the use of Dime.

Wounds from the weapon are said to be distinctive. Those exposed to the blast have severed or melted limbs, or internal ruptures, especially to soft tissue such as the abdomen, that often lead to death.

There is said to be no shrapnel apart from a fine “dusting” of minute metal particles on damaged organs visible when autopsies are carried out. Survivors of a Dime blast are at increased risk of developing cancer, according to research carried out in the United States.

Traditional munitions, by contrast, cause large wounds wherever shrapnel penetrates the body.

“The power of the explosion dissipates very quickly and the strength does not travel long, maybe 10 meters, but those humans who are hit by this explosion, this pressure wave, are cut in pieces,” Dr Gilbert said in a recent interview.

This is not the first time concerns about Israel’s use of Dime have surfaced in Gaza. Doctors there reported strange injuries they could not treat, and from which patients died unexpectedly days later, during a prolonged wave of Israeli air strikes in 2006.

A subsequent Italian investigation found Israel was using a prototype weapon similar to Dime. Samples from victims in Gaza showed concentrations of unusual metals in their bodies.

Yitzhak Ben-Israel, the former head of the Israeli military’s weapons development program, appeared familiar with the weapon, telling Italian TV that the short radius of the explosion helped avoid injuries to bystanders, allowing “the striking of very small targets”.

Israeli denials about using weapons banned by international law would not cover Dime because it is not yet officially licensed.

It will be difficult to investigate claims that non-conventional weapons have been used in Gaza until a ceasefire is agreed, but previous inquiries have shown that Israel resorts to such munitions.

The Israeli human rights group B’Tselem has recorded numerous occasions when the Israeli army has fired flechette shells, both in Lebanon and Gaza. The shell releases thousands of tiny metal darts that cause horrible injuries to anyone out in the open.

A Reuters cameraman, Fadel Shana, filmed the firing of such a shell from an Israeli tank in Gaza in April, moments before its flechettes killed him.

Miri Weingarten, a spokeswoman for Physicians for Human Rights, said they were watching out for use of a new flechette-type weapon the Israeli army has developed called kalanit (anemone). An anti-personnel munition, the shell sends out hundreds of small discs.

Israel appears to have used a range of controversial weapons during its attack on Lebanon in 2006. After initial denials, an Israeli government minister admitted that the army had fired phosphorus shells, and the Israeli media widely reported millions of cluster bombs being dropped over south Lebanon.

There are also suspicions that Israel may have used uranium-based warheads. A subsequent inquiry by a British newspaper found elevated levels of radiation at two Israeli missile craters.

Sarit Michaeli, a spokeswoman for B’Tselem, said her organization had not yet been able to confirm which weapons were being used in Gaza in the current attacks. She added, however, that Israel’s denials about using non-conventional munitions should not be relied on.

“It is true, as the army spokespeople say, that weapons such as phosphorus and flechette shells are not expressly prohibited. But our view is that such weapons, which do not distinguish between combatants and non-combatants, cannot be used legally in a densely populated area like Gaza.”

Reports this month revealed that the United States has been organizing massive shipments of arms to Israel, though a Pentagon spokesman denied they were for use in Gaza.

Jonathan Cook, based in Nazareth, Israel is a winner of the Martha Gellhorn Special Prize for Journalism. His latest books are Israel and the Clash of Civilisations: Iraq, Iran and the Plan to Remake the Middle East (Pluto Press) and Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair (Zed Books). Read other articles by Jonathan, or visit Jonathan's website.

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  1. Jeff said on January 13th, 2009 at 11:05am #

    What constitutes a weapon of mass destruction? A weapon that kills more than two people? Funny that most weapons scientists in the last 150 years or so seem to be the very ones looking for their own homeland. Maybe these weapon scientists ARE the weapons of mass destruction. When are the people of America next?

  2. bozh said on January 13th, 2009 at 11:31am #

    we do not know that israel is punishing civilians in gaza with new weapons and bullets because israelis are hoping gazans wld turn against hamas.
    hamas is a recent organization and the punishing raids against palestinians have been going on for over 60 years.
    and if hamas weren’t selected as enemies/terrorists, some other org (set up by israel) wld have been chosen as a terrorist org.

    to justify existence of israel and its terrorism, israel must have even a manufactured enemy. these practices are just tactics and battling; no warfare is taking place now nor since ’49, except for yom kippur war.
    by the way, june 6, 67 war was an aggression by israel.
    and as long as christian lands support israel and supply it with most modern weapons and palestinians are forced to obtain their weapons via tunnels, israel will continue same behavior.

    in addition, it appears that 98% of amers and israelis evalute- due to massive lying by politicians, priests, entertainers, sports people, msm, medical/educational people, media- as a victim, we can expect many more battles.
    it is also possible for israelis to lose abbas.
    please let us boycott all professional sports, entertainment, etc. tell the women that when an actress at oscars wears a 2 or 3 td$ gown, she is rubbing it in; she is not sisterly but a snob. thnx

  3. Suthiano said on January 13th, 2009 at 12:26pm #

    Israel uses depleted uranium munitions… U.S./Israeli weapons have doomed the future of human beings.

    The people who design the weapons should undergo intensive psychological analysis, and then tried for crimes against humanity.

    Soldiers firing the weapons will deal with own trials, night after night as they try to fall asleep.

    Livni, Peres and Olmert should all be tried and punished. Perhaps we could let their families loose in a cage, and then drop experimental weapons on them.

  4. mary said on January 13th, 2009 at 1:54pm #

    A chink of light here

    Well done the Greek Government. Despite the massacre of close to 1000 people by Israeli forces, the US continues to supply further ammunition for the murderers.

    UPDATE: US Cancels Munitions Shipment To Israel Via Greece
    (Updates with further comments from Pentagon spokesman)

    WASHINGTON (AFP)–The U.S. military has to had to cancel a planned shipment of munitions from a Greek port to a U.S. warehouse in Israel due to objections from Athens, a Pentagon spokesman said on Tuesday.

    “I think the Greek government had some issue with the offloading of some of that shipment in their country and so we are finding alternative means of getting that entire shipment to its proper destination in Israel,” spokesman Geoff Morrell told a news conference. “I don’t think we’ve come to a final resolution on how or when that will take place.”

    The shipment had been agreed last summer before the current Israeli offensive in Gaza, he said.

    He said the U.S. had operated the munitions stockpile for nearly 20 years and that Israel “can ask for permission to access” the munitions.

    He said he didn’t know the nature of Greece’s objection and whether it was related to security or political concerns.

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    Sadly they will probably find a profiteer to get the shipment in. I believe the shipment weighs 3,000 tons and consists of 375 containers each 20 ft long. Just imagine that.

  5. mary said on January 13th, 2009 at 3:57pm #

    Just take a look at this massive explosion on a BBC video today. Is depleted uranium being used? That plus the use of white phosphorus are surely sufficient evidence for Israel to be arraigned for war crimes.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7826054.stm

    I am just about to see a discussion on BBC Newsnight where Dershowitz will probably explain away the use of these weapons.

  6. giorgio said on January 13th, 2009 at 3:57pm #

    JEWS against MURDER

    Letter by prominent British Jews on Israel’s war on Gaza

    01.10.2009 | The Guardian

    We the undersigned are all of Jewish origin. When we see the dead and bloodied bodies of young children, the cutting off of water, electricity and food, we are reminded of the siege of the Warsaw Ghetto. When Dov Weisglass, an adviser to the Israeli prime minister, Ehud Olmert, talked of putting Gazans “on a diet” and the deputy defence minister, Matan Vilnai, talked about the Palestinians experiencing “a bigger shoah” (holocaust), this reminds us of Governor General Hans Frank in Nazi-occupied Poland, who spoke of “death by hunger”.

    The real reason for the attack on Gaza is that Israel is only willing to deal with Palestinian quislings. The main crime of Hamas is not terrorism but its refusal to accept becoming a pawn in the hands of the Israeli occupation regime in Palestine. The decision last month by the EU council to upgrade relations with Israel, without any specific conditions on human rights, has encouraged further Israeli aggression. The time for appeasing Israel is long past. As a first step, Britain must withdraw the British ambassador to Israel and, as with apartheid South Africa, embark on a programme of boycott, divestment and sanctions.

    Ben Birnberg, Prof Haim Bresheeth, Deborah Fink, Bella Freud, Tony Greenstein, Abe Hayeem, Prof Adah Kay, Yehudit Keshet, Dr Les Levidow, Prof Yosefa Loshitzky, Prof Moshe Machover, Miriam Margolyes, Prof Jonathan Rosenhead, Seymour Alexander, Ben Birnberg, Martin Birnstingl, Prof. Haim Bresheeth, Ruth Clark, Judith Cravitz, Mike Cushman, Angela Dale, Merav Devere, Greg Dropkin, Angela Eden, Sarah Ferner, Alf Filer, Mark Findlay, Sylvia Finzi, Bella Freud, Tessa van Gelderen, Claire Glasman, Ruth Hall, Adrian Hart, Alain Hertzmann, Abe Hayeem, Rosamene Hayeem, Anna Hellmann, Selma James, Riva Joffe, Yael Kahn, Michael Kalmanovitz, Ros Kane, Prof. Adah Kay, Yehudit Keshet, Mark Krantz, Bernice Laschinger, Pam Laurance, Dr Les Levidow, Prof. Yosefa Loshitzky, Prof. Moshe Machover, Beryl Maizels, Miriam Margolyes, Helen Marks, Martine Miel, Diana Neslen, O Neumann, Susan Pashkoff, Hon. Juliet Peston, Renate Prince, Roland Rance, Sheila Robin, Ossi Ron, Manfred Ropschitz, John Rose, Prof. Jonathan Rosenhead, Leon Rosselson, Michael Sackin, Ian Saville, Amanda Sebestyen, Sam Semoff, Prof. Ludi Simpson, Viv Stein, Inbar Tamari, Ruth Tenne, Norman Traub, Eve Turner, Tirza Waisel, Karl Walinets, Renee Walinets, Stanley Walinets, Philip Ward, Naomi Wimborne-Idrissi, Ruth Williams, Jay Woolrich, Ben Young, Myk Zeitlin, Androulla Zucker, John Zucker

  7. Tennessee-Socialist said on January 13th, 2009 at 4:40pm #

    IT IS RATIONAL, CHRISTIAN, MORALIST, AND HEALTHY TO BE AN ANTI-SEMITE, AND TO DESPISE THE MAJORITY OF THE JEWISH POPULATION !!

    The state of Israel, a Jewish state is murdering innocent people in the name of Jewish people. And what is the reaction that we get from the Jewish community? It’s either silence or the garbage spread by jewish people loyal to the Zionist genocidal agenda. Do we see them protesting against these crimes? Are they constantly on the talk shows condemning these atrocities? Hardly.

    I know there are a lot of respectable Jews and Jewish organizations who voice their opposition to these crimes, but they are a minority: a very small minority indeed. The jewish citizens who are supporting the atrocities committed in their name by the Israel state even have a pejorative label for these anti-fascism, anti-racism, anti-zionism activist jews: “self-hating Jews.”

    We should hold anyone who supports these atrocities accountable, no matter their affiliations. But do you really think if the majority of Jews in North America or Europe were against the Zionist entity, it could survive for even one day?

    Jews have suffered so much throughout history. Unfortunately they suffer still by their actions and by the support they throw behind Israel. They’re brainwashed. And they’re constantly brainwashed to paranoically think that the whole world is plotting against them. We should end this suffering by telling them that as long as they support the Zionist entity, and as long as they don’t wake up and overthrow their own Israeli rogue failed-state and military fascist government, the conscientious people of the world will be anti-semite and against most jews.

    ,

  8. DavidG. said on January 13th, 2009 at 5:01pm #

    Israel, which is the Jewish homeland, is bringing the majority of Jewry into condemnation and deservedly so. Of course, fanatical Israel doesn’t care!

    The statement that, because of Gaza: “the conscientious people of the world will be anti-semite and against most jews,” is entirely fair and warrented.

  9. Danny Ray said on January 13th, 2009 at 8:24pm #

    Mary,
    DU that is Depleted Uranium dose not cause an explosion. DU is used because of its density for penetration. Yes, some of the craters may have some residual radiation left due to the use of DU but you did not see an atomic explosion. Now at the risk of pissing all you guys off does anyone out there understand the nature of war? War is to kill people and break things, and the folks who do that the best win, this is no church social their having in Gaza.
    The way war works is the more people you kill and the more things you break and the quicker you can do it to make the bad guys quit and cry uncle the quicker the war will be over and the quicker you will have peace.
    And the next question is. Besides you people , Just who in the hell gives a damn what the Geneva Convention, the UN, and the Red Cross say any way?

  10. Suthiano said on January 13th, 2009 at 8:41pm #

    Danny Ray,

    DU is used because it is the best way to dispose of the waste that the “good guys” make.

    Interesting theories on starting a war to make peace… That kind of “peace” doesn’t exist, and attempts to attain it result in genocide.

  11. Suthiano said on January 13th, 2009 at 8:42pm #

    /are genocidal

  12. AaronG said on January 13th, 2009 at 10:06pm #

    Danny Ray

    Huh???

  13. mary said on January 14th, 2009 at 1:01am #

    I need no lessons from a Zionist on the use of weapons containing depleted uranium. Imagine that you are a doctor removing a dressing from the bleeding stump of child’s leg whilst the child is screaming with pain. Or read this article by my brother about Saad, a casualty in one of Israel’s previous prettily named evils, Operation Summer Rains. Operation Rainbow, Operation Cast Lead……the list seems endless.

    http://dhalpin.infoaction.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=36&Itemid=2

    and this for too for your education

    http://dhalpin.infoaction.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=2

    We hear this morning that our Prime Minister (who is the Patron of the UK branch of the Jewish National Fund) is ‘deeply disturbed’ at the increasing toll of death and injuries. As the father of two small boys, he dammed well should be. Where has humanity gone and the love for all children?

  14. mary said on January 14th, 2009 at 1:42am #

    From a blog called Machine Nation. Subject The use of White Phosphorus (Willie Pete) in Gaza.

    The You Tube video may not work as You Tube keep trying to take them down. Google now owns You Tube and the co-founder of Google, Sergey Brin, a supporter of the Israeli state, went to Israel to celebrate its 60th birthday last year.

    ‘White phosphorus is prohibited under international protocols as it’s an ‘incendiary weapon’ according to this CNN report on it. There are question marks over whether it is used or not but is outlawed by the Geneva convention as an anti-personnel weapon so it shouldn’t be used in populous areas.

    The Israelies are saying it’s used as a smokescreen to disguise their ground troops.’

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq-b_40IKfs

  15. AEAZ - A. Myers said on January 14th, 2009 at 2:59am #

    To decide that all Jews are Zionists is to do exactly what they want you to do – they are laughing at you because you are now exactly the same as them, a racists thug! Many Jews are against Zionist ideologies, I am a gentile researcher who has seen much evidence of this.

    Logically you can almost guarantee that all atrocities, war and manipulations come from a power / financial motivation covered in a religious overtone. The big banking dynasties of this millennium are behind all of them it seems. We find the evidence of this in the outcomes of each manipulation; the general populous are lambs to the slaughter in this. We are a blood sacrifice for an ultimate aim of total control. The more hate sown between Jews, Hindus, Muslims and Christians the better. The more one nation rises against another the closer we get to worldwide conflict, the bankers and arms peddlers win again because they supply all sides. The more the worldwide economy collapses the better a single currency will sound. These truths are leaving the arena of theory and entering the realms of fact.

    Using any terms around zionist ideologies, people falsely equate anti-zionism with anti-semitism (more spin). What I mean when I mention zionist ideologies is not Jews (as many Hassidic Jews are abhorrent of these ideologies) but every strata of society, neo-cons, mormons, jehovahs witnesses, christians, muslims, hindus, freemasons – ALL the upper echelons of religions, finance and politics are infested with racist, zionistic idealogies.

    anti elitist / anti zionist

  16. swan said on January 14th, 2009 at 3:04am #

    Jews are not even 1% of the world, an d yet the Jewish State has the whole world going up against each other over him. Is is so maddening. Goyim men are so weak.

  17. swan said on January 14th, 2009 at 3:10am #

    Thanks Tennessee-Socialist. True words about the jews.

  18. AEAZ - A. Myers said on January 14th, 2009 at 5:14am #

    They are all totally controlled by this state and its zionistic rhetoric, controlled in every way. This is because every strata of worldwide society has been infected by its racist ideologies.

    anti elite / anti zion

  19. Don Hawkins said on January 14th, 2009 at 9:03am #

    It looks like not only Gaza is a testing ground for experimental weapons but here in the States we have all been an experiment in one way or another from just a few people who experience themselves, there thoughts and feelings as something separate from the rest. Truth and knowledge is out there and now is the time we use it. The capitalist system needs a few minor changes that is if human’s wish to survive. Calm at peace and in just a few day’s Barack will take the lead. Our voices should be heard loud and clear one and one is two and think of this as kind of a war. We will have to help each other tuff times ahead and like World War Two we need to focus totally on these problems we all face and that is all 6 billion plus of us. Listen to your leaders not so far as still kind of in an unconscious state. It is what it is so far more of the same better known as bullshit. TARP will not save us we the people can. Thank you thank you very much.

  20. Jeff said on January 14th, 2009 at 9:56am #

    Capitalism will cease to exist without constant conflict. Capitalism is based on conflict. Think about that. Think very hard.

  21. Max Shields said on January 14th, 2009 at 10:32am #

    Jeff,

    I beg to differ. I am no apologist for “capitalism” or any other “ism”, but the truth is war and conflict is not caused by “capitalism”; other isms have been used.

    Capitalism as originally conceived by Adam Smith was certainly not about corporatism and the kind of predatory nature of the finance sector.

    Understanding the causes of conflict does have to do, from my reading, understanding and observation, control of both land (in the broadest sense) and capital. This aspect is what drives the concentration of wealth and the resulting conflict to control (hegemony) the wealth creation into the hands of a few. This is not the original intent of capitalism as described by Adam Smith.

    Interestingly, there are some very fundamental similarities between the classical economists such as Marx, Smith, Ricardo, Malthus, and my favorite, Henry George. The major turn in the 20th Century to a neo-classical economics has greatly distorted both socialism and capitalism.

    Remember that it is not simply capitalism, but industrialization which has been central to the economics of the 20th and early 21st centuries. This industrialization is the engine behind which endless growth as been the dominant paradigm. The source of today’s industrialism is fossil – primarily oil and natural gas, but also coal. As these diminish – that is as they are less and less able to sustain the growth paradigm, industrialization and the Western (and non-Western) way of life will be no more. Whether that is a soft or hard landing is the question; and tied to that landing will be fascism vs democracy as the political environment.

    I think it is important to identify the problem as clearly as possible. If we replaced capitalism with feudalism would that be better? Also, is the Soviet version of socialism what we’re yearning for? I doubt it.

    I think there are alternatives that take us beyond the 20th century economic paradigms, but will not, entirely replace all aspects. We have much to learn from classical economists. Workers’ cooperatives are democratically run, but there is an element of capitalism involved. And we will never eliminate “capital” from the basics of human economics.

    We should look across the globe to find the kind of peace and justice that has worked. I don’t think there is an “ism” involved; nor a blueprint for achieving it.

  22. Max Shields said on January 14th, 2009 at 2:16pm #

    I would add to that bit above that there are living examples of a human scale economics which is comprehensive in what is included. Today very little human worth is central to our economics.

    I think Latin America has come a long way (with the exception of many Central America, Mexico and Columbia) in reinventing their economies. But their challenge is somewhat different than ours at this stage (though not over the longer term). They were faced with a perpetrator to the North. Overcoming that plus the local lackeys has been a major priority.

    The goal, it would seem is to get the “isms” out of the way and think through a real living economy. I think Manfred Max-Neef (Chilean economist) can provide some insights (there are others as well).

    Land is central. Not the redistribution of land, but the accessibility of land to all and the capturing of the common wealth.

  23. Deadbeat said on January 14th, 2009 at 4:12pm #

    I agree with Max. This is not about “capitalism”. To place the blame on capitalism is IMO diversionary and does little to explain what Israel is doing in Gaza. To suggest that the destruction in Gaza is “for profit” is falling into the “Disaster Capitalism” excuse that were being hailed by Naomi Klein so called “Shock Doctrine” where she essentially placed blame of the War on Iraq on Milton Friedman.

    What we are seeing in Gaza is full bore RACISM (aka. Zionism). This unfortunately is where the focus should be. Even Naomi Klein is NOW calling for a boycott of Israel similar to the one conducted against South Africa. However what is missing is a boycott of Zionism not just “supporters of Israel” and not just limited to Israel. Zionism is RACISM and it needs to be exposed as such. The very notion of a “Jewish” state is inherently racist. How far the Left goes to this very struggle against this central tenet of Zionism remains to be seen.

    Before we can even get to the vision that Max proposed people must have ZERO TOLERANCE for any form of racism. Unfortunately I don’t see that level of zero tolerance for racism coming from the Left.

  24. Don Hawkins said on January 14th, 2009 at 4:15pm #

    Thanks Max right there tell’s the story of what we now see. Obviously unsustainable.

    Manfred Max-Neef:

    You see the dominant language today in the world is that of neo-classical, neo-liberal economics which is an economics that has practically very little or nothing to do with the real world. It is strange that never in human history has there been at the global level, so much economic growth as in these last three decades, and never in human history has there been so much destruction and so much increase of poverty and of inequity at the global level as well. So there is a clear incompatibility with what we are being told, that if we have more and more economic growth, everybody will turn out to be fine. What is happening is actually the opposite. If you think that 25 individuals have to this equivalent to all sub-Saharan Africa, which is 600-million people, it’s absolutely frightening. If you think for instance, that just pure exchange rate speculation announced every single today to about $2-trillion, a trillion meaning a million million, $2-trillion a day, this means that speculation is 50 times more than the real economy of exchange of goods and services.

    You see this is obviously unsustainable because we’re living in a colossal global casino and this is harming the people who are really responsible for generating a better quality of life which is always at the local level.

  25. mary said on January 14th, 2009 at 4:39pm #

    90 organizations, mainly French, to prosecute Israel for War Crimes
    Thursday January 15, 2009 00:05 by Saed Bannoura – IMEMC & Agencies

    Ninety organizations, mainly French, decided to prosecute Israel at the International Court for committing War Crimes against the Palestinian people in the Gaza Strip as the Israeli offensive left more than 4000* Palestinians dead in its first two weeks, the French Lamond Newspaper reported.

    Image taken from Palestine Chronicle website
    Mohammad Al Araby – Brussels

    The paper added that the organizations prosecuting Israel in the International Court are pro-Palestinian and that this step comes as several Arab and international organizations are also moving towards filing lawsuit against Israel for war crimes against the unarmed Palestinian civilians in the Gaza Strip, especially since Israel is using internationally banned weapons in its war such as White Phosphorus.

    A French lawyer who phrased the lawsuit said that the eight article of the Rome Conventions specifies a war crime as “a deliberate act that aims at harming civilians and causing great suffering, harming them physically, destroying their property in a way that cannot be justified”.

    The lawyer, Jill Devier, said that a country cannot justify its war crimes by saying that it was subjected to missile fire “even if the Palestinian homemade shells fired into Israel also constitute a war crime”.

    He added that the lawsuit against Israel is well supported by two main legal basis;

    1. The inequivalent Israel attack against Gaza, as it includes shelling heavily populated areas. He said that this issue was also raised at the Security Council on December 31.

    2. The targets of the Israeli shelling were mainly civilian, as most of the casualties are children and women, and the army also shelled governmental facilities, mosques, sport clubs, and a building which had journalists on its rooftop.

    Responding to a question regarding the chances of winning the lawsuit especially since it is prosecuting figures in a country that does not recognize the international court, Devier said that this issue makes the case more difficult but added that several Israeli officials have dual citizenships and could be prosecuted in the countries of their second citizenship.

    Another possibility, he added, is that the United Nations can form special courts or the security council can call for a lawsuit against Israel, yet he said that the two options are hard to achieve under the current international situation, most likely referring to the biased US government support to Israel.

    The number of Palestinians killed in the ongoing Israeli offensive and illegal war against Gaza exceeded 1000, while at least 4,418 were wounded. Most of the casualties are women, elderly and children.
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    * This is a typo. The latest figure is 1,020 Palestinians killed including 315 children. I hope that this action by the French is copied by other countries.

  26. Max Shields said on January 14th, 2009 at 8:15pm #

    Don – “It is strange that never in human history has there been at the global level, so much economic growth as in these last three decades, and never in human history has there been so much destruction and so much increase of poverty and of inequity at the global level as well. ”

    This was the observation that Henry George made in the late 19th Century with the rise of industrialization in the US. It is the increase in “progress” (the kind you describe) that directly results in greater poverty.

    Back to this subject of Gaza, and one that, though not as eloquent as Gary Corseri beautifully written essay from two days ago, manages to capture the deep despair:
    From Mississippi to Gaza
    Killing Children With Impunity
    By HENRY A. GIROUX

    The unsettling and deeply disturbing images of children in Gaza mutilated, bleeding, and dead evoke similar images from our collective memory. One such image is that of Emmett Till, whose body arrived home in Chicago in September 1955. White racists in Mississippi had tortured, mutilated, and killed the young 14-year-old African-American boy for allegedly whistling at a white woman. Determined to make visible the horribly mangled face and twisted body of the child as an expression of racial hatred and killing, Mamie Till, the boy’s mother, insisted that the coffin, interred at the A.A. Ranier Funeral Parlor on the South Side of Chicago, be left open for four long days. While mainstream news organizations ignored the horrifying image, Jet magazinepublished an unedited photo of Till’s face taken while he lay in his coffin. Shaila Dewan points out that “[m]utilated is the word most often used to describe the face of Emmett Till after his body was hauled out of the Tallahatchie River in Mississippi. Inhuman is more like it: melted, bloated, missing an eye, swollen so large that its patch of wiry hair looks like that of a balding old man, not a handsome, brazen 14-year-old boy.”

    Till had been castrated and shot in the head; his tongue had been cut out; and a blow from an ax had practically severed his nose from his face—all of this done to a teenage boy who came to bear the burden of the inheritance of slavery and the inhuman pathology that drives its racist imaginary. The photos not only made visible the violent effects of the racial state; they also fuelled massive public anger, especially among blacks, and helped to launch the Civil Rights Movement.
    http://www.counterpunch.org/giroux01142009.html

  27. mary said on January 15th, 2009 at 1:59am #

    Listen to Regev, Olmert’s spokesman, attempting to defend the indefensible on BBC Radio 4 Today at 7.15 this morning.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_7830000/7830050.stm

  28. thebirichino said on January 15th, 2009 at 2:08am #

    “Israeli denials about using weapons banned by international law would not cover Dime because it is not yet officially licensed…”

    Do you have a link on which weapons are banned by international law?

    Is that question rather naive sounding?

    I value your essays.

    Keep it up.

  29. alpha bravo said on January 15th, 2009 at 2:24am #

    Pray for the peace of Jerusalem

  30. Kinski35 said on January 15th, 2009 at 2:36am #

    Here are the opinions of Marc Garlasco of Human Rights Watch and of Dr. Mads Gilbert, who just returned to Norway from the Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. Gilbert says Gaza is “truly a scene from Dante’s Inferno”… Medics and human rights groups are also reporting that they are seeing injuries distinctive of another controversial weapon, Dense Inert Metal Explosive, known as DIME, that was designed by the US Air Force in 2006. Those struck by the weapon who survive suffer severe mutilations and internal injuries.

    http://mayomo.com/36468-experimental-weapons-being-used-in-gaza-1-2

  31. AEAZ - A. Myers said on January 15th, 2009 at 2:55am #

    Deadbeat – never a truer bunch of words said, well done that man –

    ‘What we are seeing in Gaza is full bore RACISM (aka. Zionism). This unfortunately is where the focus should be. Even Naomi Klein is NOW calling for a boycott of Israel similar to the one conducted against South Africa. However what is missing is a boycott of Zionism not just “supporters of Israel” and not just limited to Israel. Zionism is RACISM and it needs to be exposed as such. The very notion of a “Jewish” state is inherently racist. How far the Left goes to this very struggle against this central tenet of Zionism remains to be seen.;

  32. AEAZ - A. Myers said on January 15th, 2009 at 2:55am #

    Mary – I would rather not have that filth in my ears. Be careful of dancing with the devil

  33. mary said on January 15th, 2009 at 3:14am #

    A new crime is being added to the list: Incitement to murder

    http://palestinethinktank.com/2009/01/14/those-who-want-to-bump-off-the-witnesses-of-the-slaughter/

  34. AEAZ - A. Myers said on January 15th, 2009 at 3:28am #

    Anyone interested in the ISM and the real work they do – http://www.ism-london.org.uk/

  35. AEAZ - A. Myers said on January 15th, 2009 at 3:50am #

    It is also the same situation with journalism – Israel will only allow the media to cover the areas that Hamas are attacking. If the media went to the areas Israel were attacking they would see the experimental weapons and that just wont do.

  36. lichen said on January 15th, 2009 at 2:43pm #

    Yes, adam smith and milton freidman were anti-life, anti-equality murderers. Naomi Klein’s thesis in her book was that Israel lost it’s ‘peace incentive’ when they no longer needed the Palestineans for cheap labour due to the influx of refugees escaping the west’s looting of the fallen soviet union, and furthermore found a way to market their counter-insurgency and occupation expertise outward, and because the stock market had been running after ‘shock’ instead of running away from it. She is quite correct.

  37. mary said on January 15th, 2009 at 4:31pm #

    This is the beginning of a blog from the Al Quds hospital which was attacked today and is on fire. It must be absolutely terrifying for the patients and the staff. Inhumanity. The TV is on here and the editor of the Jewish Chronicle is trying to justify the Israeli action. He was observed using an Israeli embassy crib sheet.

    The army at the door…
    Posted January 15, 2009 by talestotell
    Categories: gaza
    Tags: gaza, middle east, palestine, war

    Short texts & updates from the blogger in Al-Quds hospital, Gaza City –

    10:10 pm GMT/00:10 Gaza time:

    The army shelled our hospital again, and we’re now evacuating everyone. We’re shifting base to a Red Cross building it seems. We’re taking people in beds, who can’t walk, and into dark streets where people were shot at earlier by snipers. 40-50 people were still sheltering in the basement, because they thought it safer than their own houses. By the time we left, bits of the ceiling were falling in on fire. Everyone is OK at the moment. There are explosions in the area still.

    8:40 pm GMT/22:40 Gaza time:

    The middle building of the hospital complex is on fire, following a hit by a shell on the top floor. The hospital tried to bring in the fire brigade, but the Israeli army told them they couldn’t. That particular building has no patients in, but is very close to the wards, and has a shared basement. The whole hospital is being evacuated as the fire is spreading too fast – we don’t know to where or in what kind of ’safety’, and there are conflicting reports of whether the Israeli army is present still on the ground in that area.

    Update at 5:19 pm GMT/19:19 Gaza time:

    There were two more rocket strikes on hospital around lunchtime, one went through the hospital wall into the pharmacy, the other hit the neighbouring cultural centre and medics went to put the fire out there.

    One family were crying on the hospital stairs – they had fled their home in fear, but the Israeli snipers shot at them, and got the father in the leg, and one daughter with the bullet going through one cheek and out the other. Two medics went to get the other daughter, but more families were out in street trying to flee to the hospital, with grown men crying in fear. Many men had been taken from flats leaving only women & children. (Israeli) snipers and (Palestinian) fighters are active in the area too. No co-ordination was possible with Israeli forces. 500 people were got to safety with white flags, with people in Israel phoning through to government and it was press released that an international (the blogger) was present. It seems that this made the difference and though the army kept firing in the vicinity, not actually on people at that time.

    There was not enough space in the hospital for all the terrified people, and a few Red Cross people arrived and were talking about a walking evacuation co-ordinated with Israeli army, with two ambulances for the people who couldn’t walk. People were being evacuated to an UNRWA school, but it’s next to continuing explosions and a massive cloud of black smoke near, from burning medical supplies & fuel tanks in the UN HQ compound. Many people went to other places in the end.

    Blogger heading back to hospital now. Another update later, phone networks willing.

    14.45 UK time – phones still down
    Still no phone contact with the blogger – we will post something as soon as we hear.

    1:05 pm GMT/15:05 Gaza time:
    The phone network there is still not working, so no news I’m afraid of what’s happened. Will let you know when I hear anything.

    9:45 am GMT/11:45 Gaza time:
    Families from neighbouring buildings trying to run to safety to hospital from fire & gunfire. Most staff wearing masks due to fear of phosphorous gas attack.

    /….. continues at http://talestotell.wordpress.com/

  38. Suthiano said on January 15th, 2009 at 8:00pm #

    “Losing the peace initiative” is the title of the chapter Naomi Klein dedicates to Israel-Palestine… the title is enough to make one double check the record.

    On Oct. 30 1991 at the Madrid conference (which Shamir first attempted to ignore), the Israelis turned down an “unreasonably reasonable” plan for phased Israeli withdrawal. THen in December, Shamir again initially withheld his delegation from bilateral discussions in the U.S., before, again, denying Palestinian rights to land or self-determination.

    In Feb. of 1992, Shamir announced his policy of accelerating Jewish settlement in the West Bank… then he his replaced by Rabin (his former defense minister). On Dec. 11, 1992, the U.S. and Israel oppose UNGA Res. 47/63 calling for a resolution of the Question of Palestine. 6 days later Rabin has 416 Hamas activists rounded up and deported to Lebanon (none of them are Lebanese), precipitating a Palestinian walk-out on discussions, and the March 13, 1993 killing of 13 Jews in the West Bank… the borders were closed 17 days after that.

    Naomi Klein is a good journalist (gatherer of information), but a very weak analyst… mainly because she believes everything is a “unfortunate coincidence of history”.

    How she can claim that Israel was considering peace in 1993, when “just as Oslo came into effect,” things changed “abruptly” is a joke. Given that the Oslo peace process was a farce to begin with, I don’t know why things suddenly shifted with the arrival of the “unexpected” Russian immigrants. Klein says they arrived “just as the peace process was beginning”, to which she attaches an endnote.

    Looking at the endnote is interesting. She cites 4 sources: an article from Jan. 19 1992; an article from July 25, 1991; an article from Oct. 5, 1993 entitled “Unrest WILL Spur Russian Jews to Israel, Official Says” [my caps], and an article from 2006. So two of the articles were published PRIOR to PM Shamir’s policy of accelerated expansion in the West Bank, and prior to Rabin’s policy of closure. One article was published 7 months after the policy of closure (which cut off the 120,000 workers Klein belives Israel no longer needed).

    Given these things, it cannot be reasonably argued that the influx of Russian Jews was either abrupt or unexpected. Nor can it be claimed that this influx (1991-1994) coincided with the beginning of the peace process (which was ongoing throughout 1993), and thus there is no “coincidence”. Nor can it be argued that it was in 1994 that “it all went horribly wrong”, because nothing was going “right” in the first place. Instead there is 3 years of increased and renewed colonial activity, and other inflammatory acts by Israel, much in accordance with history.

  39. bozh said on January 15th, 2009 at 8:56pm #

    bears repeating: ashkenaziism is almost exact copy of americanism.
    both are based on supremacism and further immigration of obedient peoples in order to grow stronger and to expand.
    however, americanism ( a special case of land theft) can swallow up ashkenaziism but ashkenazim cannot swallow americanism. thnx

  40. Brian Koontz said on January 15th, 2009 at 11:25pm #

    “This was the observation that Henry George made in the late 19th Century with the rise of industrialization in the US. It is the increase in “progress” (the kind you describe) that directly results in greater poverty.”

    We should define just what types of things can be impoverished. For far too long too many people haven’t considered that the environment can become impoverished. Also – there are many aspects of humanity that can become impoverished besides their material needs.

    Industrialization may be defined as a reality in which material gains *for* humans are attained, at the cost of an increase in impoverishment for both humans (in all other ways than material, and in material ways for those low enough on the economic scale) and the environment. The only thing industrialization does well is to produce material products (of varying and questionable value) quickly. Very few people have even attempted to analyze the vast costs of doing so.

    The longer industry continues, the greater the accumulated cost. Eventually the cost could be the extinction of humanity.

    One thing that fueled industrialization was that both the left and the right supported it. Marxism is based on an utterly materialistic culture – it places economic power at the top, agreeing with capitalism that possession of material goods defines the “standard of living”. With the left warring with the right over WHO gets the results of industrialization, noone (of any substantial degree of political power) was stopping to ask if industrialization itself should be halted.

    Stop to think about Marxism’s real place in history. Why is Marxism the opponent of capitalism instead of anti-industrialism? Perhaps because it didn’t threaten the core basis for capitalism – the production of things which could then be marketed and sold.

    If only anti-industrialism had become prominent, we would be in a much better place today. Economic history has been so tragic that even “leftists” today are talking about “improving the environment” through “industrial technological innovations” – challenging the industrial paradigm remains off the table, on the fringes of the discussion at best.

  41. mary said on January 16th, 2009 at 5:01am #

    How much longer? This young and brave Irish woman who went to Gaza as a human right worker becomes a war correspondent. Very moving words.

    Still Breathing, A Report from Gaza
    By Caoimhe Butterly

    The morgues of Gaza’s hospitals are over-flowing. The bodies in their
    blood-soaked white shrouds cover the entire floor space of the Shifa
    hospital morgue. Some are intact, most horribly deformed, limbs twisted into unnatural positions, chest cavities exposed, heads blown off, skulls crushed in. Family members wait outside to identify and claim a brother, husband, father, mother, wife, child. Many of those who wait their turn have lost numerous family members and loved ones.

    Blood is everywhere. Hospital orderlies hose down the floors of operating rooms, bloodied bandages lie discarded in corners, and the injured continue to pour in: bodies lacerated by shrapnel, burns, bullet wounds. Medical workers, exhausted and under siege, work day and night and each life saved is seen as a victory over the predominance of death.

    The streets of Gaza are eerily silent- the pulsing life and rhythm of
    markets, children, fishermen walking down to the sea at dawn brutally
    stilled and replaced by an atmosphere of uncertainty, isolation and fear. The ever-present sounds of surveillance drones, F16s, tanks and apaches are listened to acutely as residents try to guess where the next deadly strike will be- which house, school, clinic, mosque, governmental building or community centre will be hit next and how to move before it does. That there are no safe places- no refuge for vulnerable human bodies- is felt acutely. It is a devastating awareness for parents- that there is no way to keep their children safe.

    As we continue to accompany the ambulances, joining Palestinian paramedics as they risk their lives, daily, to respond to calls from those with no other life-line, our existence becomes temporarily narrowed down and focused on the few precious minutes that make the difference between life and death. With each new call received as we ride in ambulances that careen down broken, silent roads, sirens and lights blaring, there exists a battle of life over death. We have learned the language of the war that the Israelis are waging on the collective captive population of Gaza- to distinguish between the sounds of the weaponry used, the timing between the first missile strikes and the inevitable second- targeting those that rush to tend to and evacuate the wounded, to recognize the signs of the different chemical weapons being used in this onslaught, to overcome the initial vulnerability of recognizing our own mortality.

    Though many of the calls received are to pick up bodies, not the wounded, the necessity of affording the dead a dignified burial drives the paramedics to face the deliberate targeting of their colleagues and
    comrades- thirteen killed while evacuating the wounded, fourteen
    ambulances destroyed- and to continue to search for the shattered bodies of the dead to bring home to their families.

    Last night, while sitting with paramedics in Jabaliya refugee camp,
    drinking tea and listening to their stories, we received a call to respond
    to the aftermath of a missile strike. When we arrived at the outskirts of
    the camp where the attack had taken place the area was filled with clouds of dust, torn electricity lines, slabs of concrete and open water pipes gushing water into the street. Amongst the carnage of severed limbs and blood we pulled out the body of a young man, his chest and face lacerated by shrapnel wounds, but alive- conscious and moaning.

    As the ambulance sped him through the cold night we applied pressure to his wounds, the warmth of his blood seeping through the bandages reminder of the life still in him. He opened his eyes in answer to my questions and closed them again as Muhammud, a volunteer paramedic, murmured “ayeesh, nufuss”- live, breathe- over and over to him. He lost consciousness as we arrived at the hospital, received into the arms of friends who carried him into the emergency room. He, Majid, lived and is recovering.

    A few minutes later there was another missile strike, this time on a
    residential house. As we arrived a crowd had rushed to the ruins of the
    four story home in an attempt to drag survivors out from under the rubble. The family the house belonged to had evacuated the area the day before and the only person in it at the time of the strike was 17 year old Muhammud who had gone back to collect clothes for his family. He was dragged out from under the rubble still breathing- his legs twisted in unnatural directions and with a head wound, but alive. There was no choice but to move him, with the imminence of a possible second strike, and he lay in the ambulance moaning with pain and calling for his mother. We thought he would live, he was conscious though in intense pain and with the rest of the night consumed with call after call to pick up the wounded and the dead, I forgot to check on him. This morning we were called to pick up a body from Shifa hospital to take back to Jabaliya. We carried a body wrapped in a blood-soaked white shroud into the ambulance, and it wasn’t until we were on the road that we realized that it was Muhammud’s body.

    His brother rode with us, opening the shroud to tenderly kiss Muhammud’s forehead.

    This morning we received news that Al-Quds hospital in Gaza City was under siege. We tried unsuccessfully for hours to gain access to the hospital, trying to organize co-ordination to get the ambulances past Israeli tanks and snipers to evacuate the wounded and dead. Hours of unsuccessful attempts later we received a call from the Shujahiya neighborhood, describing a house where there were both dead and wounded patients to pick up. The area was deserted, many families having fled as Israeli tanks and snipers took up position amongst their homes, other silent in the dark, cold confines of their homes, crawling from room to room to avoid sniper fire through their windows.

    As we drove slowly around the area, we heard women’s cries for help. We approached their house on foot, followed by the ambulances and as we came to the threshold of their home, they rushed towards us with their children, shaking and crying with shock. At the door of the house the ambulance lights exposed the bodies of four men, lacerated by shrapnel wounds- the skull and brains of one exposed, others whose limbs had been severed off. The four were the husbands and brothers of the women, who had ventured out to search for bread and food for their families. Their bodies were still warm as we struggled to carry them on stretchers over the uneven ground, their blood staining the earth and our clothes. As we prepared to leave the area our torches illuminated the slumped figure of another man, his abdomen and chest shredded by shrapnel. With no space in the other ambulances, and the imminent possibility of sniper fire, we were forced to take his body in the back of the ambulance carrying the women and children. One of the little girls stared at me before coming into my arms and telling me her name- Fidaa’, which means to sacrifice. She stared at the body bag, asking when he would wake up.

    Once back at the hospital we received word that the Israeli army had
    shelled Al Quds hospital, that the ensuing fire risked spreading and that
    there had been a 20-minute time-frame negotiated to evacuate patients, doctors and residents in the surrounding houses. By the time we got up there in a convoy of ambulances, hundreds of people had gathered. With the shelling of the UNRWA compound and the hospital there was a deep awareness that nowhere in Gaza is safe, or sacred.

    We helped evacuate those assembled to near-by hospitals and schools that have been opened to receive the displaced. The scenes were deeply
    saddening- families, desperate and carrying their children, blankets and
    bags of their possessions venturing out in the cold night to try to find a
    corner of a school or hospital to shelter in. The paramedic we were with
    referred to the displacement of the over 46,000 Gazan Palestinians now on the move as a continuation of the ongoing Nakba of dispossession and exile seen through generation after generation enduring massacre after massacre.

    Today’s death toll was over 75, one of the bloodiest days since the start
    of this carnage. Over 1,110 Palestinians have been killed in the past 21
    days. 367 of those have been children. The humanitarian infrastructure of Gaza is on its knees- already devastated by years of comprehensive siege. There has been a deliberate, systematic destruction of all places of refuge. There are no safe places here, for anyone.

    And yet, in the face of so much desecration, this community has remained intact. The social solidarity and support between people is inspiring, and the steadfastness of Gaza continues to humble and inspire all those who witness it. Their level of sacrifice demands our collective response- and recognition that demonstrations are not enough. Gaza, Palestine and its people continue to live, breathe, resist and remain intact and this refusal to be broken is a call and challenge to us all.

    —–
    Caoimhe Butterly is an Irish human rights activist working in Jabaliya and Gaza City as a volunteer with ambulance services and as co-coordinator for the Free Gaza Movement, She can be contacted on 00972-598273960 or at ku.oc.liamtohnull@87arahas

  42. Don Hawkins said on January 16th, 2009 at 6:35am #

    Brian challenging the industrial paradigm remains off the table but in a few years probably not let’s hope not to late.

  43. Max Shields said on January 16th, 2009 at 7:45am #

    Brian,
    You make some very good points. Just a note Henry George is more of a threat to the status quo than is Marx. For sure Marx’s premise is outdated today. Socialism as a social architecture has some resonance but the economics is based on force. Force simply begets force and changes one master for anothr.

    But to be sure both George and Marx were men of the 19th Century and the struggle was defined by the previous paradigm of feudalism.

    What George scrutinized was how the production of wealth was controlled by access to “land”. Those with such access controlled the means of producing wealth and through it the political capacity to sustain that control.

    But to your point about poverty. We will need to understand both what the classical economists had to offer before the West went on the extreme binge of endless growth. I think Manfred Max-Neef address the deeper questions of quality of life and a redefinition of “poverty” within that new paradigm.

    I would off a complementary economics, one that considers the uneconomics of growth, and that would be steady-state economics. The works of Herman Daly (and others) creates a paradigm of ecological balance, understanding the sink we’re in. Daly also incorporates Henry George’s land value tax as a means of ensuring sustainability.

    I am convinced that the world as we’ve come to know it is nearing an end. I expect this to be within the life time of those posting here (estimated a 30 to 60ish age range). This world of artifacts, the industrialization of nearly everything depends deeply on fossil. There is no replacement for fossil which would keep the industrial civilization as it is. Wind is perhaps the closest thing to a perfect renewable energy source, but it cannot begin to sustain what we’ve created. And even a combination of other sources cannot. We have dug ourselves in a hole. It is estimated that there will be a tillion barrels of oil in the ground when this abrupt fall begins.

    A trillion barrels of oil IN THE GROUND and we won’t be able to suck it out!!! It is pure physics. To suck that out, the energy expended will exceed the trillion barrels – that’s physics and the fundamental law of thermodynamics is a force which we cannot overcome: PERIOD.

    Efficiency using technology is just a shell game – it moves the use of energy from one end of the cycle to another expending as much or more. In other words, efficiencies here, cost you somewhere else.

    Conservation will help. That is to use less energy (not use it more efficiently). But that drastically impacts the consumer economy. Massive job layoffs, and the rest just follows.

    This is not a choice. We are at the end of the fossil based industrial civilization. We’ve squandered. We’ve gone to war over it and never stopped. The machines we use require more and more fossil – and there is no real substitution.

    The way of life we know will have to transition. It will be TOUGH. A steady state economy, and understanding of Henry George and the human-scaled economics of Manfred Max-Neef will provide some sound alternative.

    We are passed the point of return. “Getting out of the woods” will mean shedding nearly everything we’ve come to know as a material given.

    The party is over!

  44. Don Hawkins said on January 16th, 2009 at 8:18am #

    Max we hear for two seconds that the money the fed is printing means our kid’s have to pay for this. That is total foolishness nobody is getting paid back. The people at the top know this and yet what is being done not much. Still time if we start now or has a decision been made that there is no future or is this lack of knowledge.

  45. bozh said on January 16th, 2009 at 8:31am #

    even most of the working class people disregarded the regress along with socalled progress.
    ‘educators’ of all kinds took pain to laud ‘progress’ while in to failed to total also enorm regression.
    so, the question arises whether we cld have progressed at all while not damaging/destroying so much.
    warfare, on the other hand, was always with us and when we were mostly hunters, gatherers, farmers. thnx

  46. bozh said on January 16th, 2009 at 8:44am #

    a mistake corrected: …disregarded regress while seeing only progress. thnx

  47. Don Hawkins said on January 16th, 2009 at 8:48am #

    Ohhh! Great warrior! [laughs and shakes his head]
    Wars not make one great!

    “You must unlearn what you have learned.” “Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will…” Yoda

    Barack do you read DV? These lines just from a movie? A little more than that.

  48. Max Shields said on January 16th, 2009 at 8:53am #

    Don Hawkins
    Given our current economic/monetary system, there is on one real FUNDAMENTAL given: Net Energy. A purely GDP economics and all that that implies is TOTALLY dependent on Net Energy (the energy expended to obtain usable energy).

    The future is not what we’ve known it to be – not more of the same.

    Obama has put his “foot” to the metal and with his staff looks to follow the trajectory of endless growth.

    Green jobs, alternative energy will NOT be sufficient; and he is not up to even that portion of the first step. Nuclear (and it appears his energy czar is a big Nuke guy) is totally wrong – environmentally and economically. Nuclear costs too much and provides far too little.

    The only real energy of consequence is fossil. We need it to help us transition away from it. But that will be a massive undertaking. A war in two countries, and proxy wars through Israel and elsewhere will not allow the kind of transition and intensive focus on that transition required.

    The human species will survive, but it will not inhabit the earth as it has. The increase availability of energy in the late 19th century, matched by the expotential population growth which was directly due to that easy energy access has created the ultimate dilemma.

    The species will need to recede in numbers. The carrying cost of the human species at this rate is beyond the capacity of the planet to continue to provide. The planet will go on, the human race, will require a dramatic adjustment in “life style”. I see no other way.

    That does not mean that we should not begin to do what we can, locally, to change and prepare. Keep food local. In the state I live in if there was a catastrophe in the global food market, we have an estimated day and 1/2 worth of food/energy available! The global system is fragile on many levels and we’ve become totally dependent on it and the fossil that keeps it going.