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		<title>By: dino</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37463</link>
		<dc:creator>dino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 19:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem is that no Iranian voice is heard in Occidental media.When Ahmadinejad had been  accepted to speak at Columbia University his speech was received with sympathy and applauds by students.Of course what is left from the speech in the Net is the misunderstanding  made by him on the guys in Iran.In different and rare occasions  when he was asked Ahmadinejad said that his country is not interested to get wmd,and ayatollah Khameney said that wmd is in discordance with Islam .Anyway to say since 92 that Iran is a threat because they immediately will get wmd is ridiculous.What kind of immediate is it which during 19 years and continues.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that no Iranian voice is heard in Occidental media.When Ahmadinejad had been  accepted to speak at Columbia University his speech was received with sympathy and applauds by students.Of course what is left from the speech in the Net is the misunderstanding  made by him on the guys in Iran.In different and rare occasions  when he was asked Ahmadinejad said that his country is not interested to get wmd,and ayatollah Khameney said that wmd is in discordance with Islam .Anyway to say since 92 that Iran is a threat because they immediately will get wmd is ridiculous.What kind of immediate is it which during 19 years and continues.</p>
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		<title>By: 3@A</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37457</link>
		<dc:creator>3@A</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 18:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quite agreed with above views , that president obama need a hard ball ,  he can troubleshoot half of the US problem , if he can resolve the israeli-palestine conflict  so  that US dollar not wasted in Middle East desert , by controling Israeli atrcities on  helpless civilian , by  this action he can shoot down this Osama and his cadre once and all  and he can concentrate on Financial aspect . we have to  undersatnd that there are also other people who live in this world who want a dignified life ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quite agreed with above views , that president obama need a hard ball ,  he can troubleshoot half of the US problem , if he can resolve the israeli-palestine conflict  so  that US dollar not wasted in Middle East desert , by controling Israeli atrcities on  helpless civilian , by  this action he can shoot down this Osama and his cadre once and all  and he can concentrate on Financial aspect . we have to  undersatnd that there are also other people who live in this world who want a dignified life &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37456</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 17:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suthiano

Point well taken.

Max]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suthiano</p>
<p>Point well taken.</p>
<p>Max</p>
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		<title>By: Andres Kargar</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37438</link>
		<dc:creator>Andres Kargar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The 1953 CIA coup in Iran and the overthrow of the democratically-elected government of Dr. Mossadeq seems to have traumatized entire generations of Iranians. Just like the Palestinians who cannot forget the theft of their lands by the Zionist thieves and live for the day when they can return to Palestine, every Iranian I have talked to,  has some deep impression of the coup. Today, the late Dr. Mossadeq is a national hero, revered by the majority of the population.

As such, I don&#039;t understand why Iranians would ever want to re-establish relations with the United States, and in light of this, President Ahmadinejad&#039;s demand for an apology and a real change of policy from the United States is quite judicious on his part.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The 1953 CIA coup in Iran and the overthrow of the democratically-elected government of Dr. Mossadeq seems to have traumatized entire generations of Iranians. Just like the Palestinians who cannot forget the theft of their lands by the Zionist thieves and live for the day when they can return to Palestine, every Iranian I have talked to,  has some deep impression of the coup. Today, the late Dr. Mossadeq is a national hero, revered by the majority of the population.</p>
<p>As such, I don&#8217;t understand why Iranians would ever want to re-establish relations with the United States, and in light of this, President Ahmadinejad&#8217;s demand for an apology and a real change of policy from the United States is quite judicious on his part.</p>
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		<title>By: Suthiano</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37437</link>
		<dc:creator>Suthiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 08:04:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max,

My bad. I did not make myself clear. i was agreeing with you fully. YOu were saying that we needed a president w/ balls, and I just wanted to elucidate what I was confident you meant but didn&#039;t explicitly say. I&#039;ve heard you echo those sentiments before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>My bad. I did not make myself clear. i was agreeing with you fully. YOu were saying that we needed a president w/ balls, and I just wanted to elucidate what I was confident you meant but didn&#8217;t explicitly say. I&#8217;ve heard you echo those sentiments before.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37420</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 22:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suthiano 
While if I ask myself the question: do I need a president, the answer is simply NO. But who&#039;s going to demilitarize this monster, who&#039;s going to eliminate the 10,000 + nukes here and elsewhere? Who&#039;s going to deal with global warming (call it what you will but the friggin glaciers are melting at increasingly alarming rates..)? Who&#039;s going to deal with the fact that we have a monstrous complex called industrialism which is completely fossile based? - food, the whole friggin world we live in is based on a declining source of vital energy.

What I&#039;m saying is that Opee hasn&#039;t got the balls to do what needs to be done. Not start wars (he thinks that&#039;s what he has to do to show he has the balls to be Commander and Frigg&#039;n Chief). Its the balls to see clearly the problem, and say fuc*k you to the establishment and do what needs doing. And that aint kissing Republican asses or Democratic asses.

He&#039;s a lier and his lies are manifested in the continued bombing and killing of civilians using US dollars. He&#039;s already got blood on his hands, he&#039;s tainted. You can&#039;t be a half way murder because you say something about torture or Gitmo. Bush was what he was. And Obama is a straight up lier.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suthiano<br />
While if I ask myself the question: do I need a president, the answer is simply NO. But who&#8217;s going to demilitarize this monster, who&#8217;s going to eliminate the 10,000 + nukes here and elsewhere? Who&#8217;s going to deal with global warming (call it what you will but the friggin glaciers are melting at increasingly alarming rates..)? Who&#8217;s going to deal with the fact that we have a monstrous complex called industrialism which is completely fossile based? &#8211; food, the whole friggin world we live in is based on a declining source of vital energy.</p>
<p>What I&#8217;m saying is that Opee hasn&#8217;t got the balls to do what needs to be done. Not start wars (he thinks that&#8217;s what he has to do to show he has the balls to be Commander and Frigg&#8217;n Chief). Its the balls to see clearly the problem, and say fuc*k you to the establishment and do what needs doing. And that aint kissing Republican asses or Democratic asses.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s a lier and his lies are manifested in the continued bombing and killing of civilians using US dollars. He&#8217;s already got blood on his hands, he&#8217;s tainted. You can&#8217;t be a half way murder because you say something about torture or Gitmo. Bush was what he was. And Obama is a straight up lier.</p>
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		<title>By: RH2</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37409</link>
		<dc:creator>RH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Max,

&quot;The elitist President&quot; figures it well out, but he is not ready to concede to it, serving his opportunism. It is rather those electing and celebrating him with tears in the eyes like Messiah, who are not capable of figuring it out, except the zionists who exactly know what goes on and what they want to obtain.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>&#8220;The elitist President&#8221; figures it well out, but he is not ready to concede to it, serving his opportunism. It is rather those electing and celebrating him with tears in the eyes like Messiah, who are not capable of figuring it out, except the zionists who exactly know what goes on and what they want to obtain.</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth Porter</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37408</link>
		<dc:creator>Gareth Porter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do not disagree with the comments suggesting that Obama is far too prepared to accommodate the Israeli lobby and the U.S. national security state.   On the other hand, George H. W. Bush was even more deeply enmeshed in the national security state and was capable of seeing that it was in the U.S. interest to improve relations with Iran.   But I would argue that Gates represents a position somewhere between Obama and the most extreme neonconservative faction of the government and is therefore a more acute threat to world peace and justice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do not disagree with the comments suggesting that Obama is far too prepared to accommodate the Israeli lobby and the U.S. national security state.   On the other hand, George H. W. Bush was even more deeply enmeshed in the national security state and was capable of seeing that it was in the U.S. interest to improve relations with Iran.   But I would argue that Gates represents a position somewhere between Obama and the most extreme neonconservative faction of the government and is therefore a more acute threat to world peace and justice.</p>
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		<title>By: Janet, USA</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37407</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet, USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gates gets his marching orders from Israel and those SOBs are going to bring an end to this planet one way or another.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gates gets his marching orders from Israel and those SOBs are going to bring an end to this planet one way or another.</p>
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		<title>By: Suthiano</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suthiano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 19:32:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said Max.

I would add that the president needed is the one who would realize that there should be no president. That role is a folly of old ways of thinking.

How can we have a president, one who &quot;presides over&quot;?. From Latin praesident, pp of praesidēre, prae + sedere; literally to sit over. The concept suggests that the president can somehow be detached from the body he is sitting over. This is foolishness. obviously he or she came to be president after a process occurring through the &quot;body&quot;. Clearly his family and friends remain part of the &quot;body&quot;, results of decisions affect body. I point to Descartes, but Hobbes&#039; Leviathan, in which monarch is head (mind) and people/state is body, is also traditional source of confusion.

We don&#039;t even preside (sit over) our own lives, we sit in them.. banality no more. no more presidents.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Max.</p>
<p>I would add that the president needed is the one who would realize that there should be no president. That role is a folly of old ways of thinking.</p>
<p>How can we have a president, one who &#8220;presides over&#8221;?. From Latin praesident, pp of praesidēre, prae + sedere; literally to sit over. The concept suggests that the president can somehow be detached from the body he is sitting over. This is foolishness. obviously he or she came to be president after a process occurring through the &#8220;body&#8221;. Clearly his family and friends remain part of the &#8220;body&#8221;, results of decisions affect body. I point to Descartes, but Hobbes&#8217; Leviathan, in which monarch is head (mind) and people/state is body, is also traditional source of confusion.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t even preside (sit over) our own lives, we sit in them.. banality no more. no more presidents.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Shields</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37404</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Shields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[W.hat is apparent is that Obama was never the right person for the job.

Let&#039;s be clear, he&#039;s the right person to do a re-enactment of previous presidents during the hayday of empire, but that&#039;s over...and the empire is dropping fast.

What he&#039;s yet to provide is evidence that he really understands this time and place. History tells you something about the fall of empires, but it tells you nothing about NOW. I&#039;ve said this here repeatedly, this is not the 1920s/30s. The confluence of dangerous forces to human existence have never been witnessed in all of human history.

He hired old shoes and talks a talk while bombing yet another sovereign nation just the other day and killing 22 (18 of which were clearly civilians). But it&#039;s not simply the continuation of the butchery, it&#039;s the fact that he&#039;s not the guy that&#039;s needed.

From a person perspective, local change is all I can muster. But the national change needed is so profound and fundamental that our new elitist President won&#039;t figure it out until it&#039;s too late (we&#039;re just about there). We don&#039;t need a popular president. We don&#039;t need a black president. We don&#039;t need a brilliant president. We don&#039;t need a photogenic president.

We need someone with balls who can think clearly through the problem, and not give a f$$$ck what the MSM or the polls or pols say.

He aint the guy. He&#039;s a get along sort that may have worked a few decades ago when we had the luxury of banality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>W.hat is apparent is that Obama was never the right person for the job.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be clear, he&#8217;s the right person to do a re-enactment of previous presidents during the hayday of empire, but that&#8217;s over&#8230;and the empire is dropping fast.</p>
<p>What he&#8217;s yet to provide is evidence that he really understands this time and place. History tells you something about the fall of empires, but it tells you nothing about NOW. I&#8217;ve said this here repeatedly, this is not the 1920s/30s. The confluence of dangerous forces to human existence have never been witnessed in all of human history.</p>
<p>He hired old shoes and talks a talk while bombing yet another sovereign nation just the other day and killing 22 (18 of which were clearly civilians). But it&#8217;s not simply the continuation of the butchery, it&#8217;s the fact that he&#8217;s not the guy that&#8217;s needed.</p>
<p>From a person perspective, local change is all I can muster. But the national change needed is so profound and fundamental that our new elitist President won&#8217;t figure it out until it&#8217;s too late (we&#8217;re just about there). We don&#8217;t need a popular president. We don&#8217;t need a black president. We don&#8217;t need a brilliant president. We don&#8217;t need a photogenic president.</p>
<p>We need someone with balls who can think clearly through the problem, and not give a f$$$ck what the MSM or the polls or pols say.</p>
<p>He aint the guy. He&#8217;s a get along sort that may have worked a few decades ago when we had the luxury of banality.</p>
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		<title>By: RH2</title>
		<link>http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/is-gates-undermining-another-opening-to-iran/#comment-37403</link>
		<dc:creator>RH2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[(Gates testified in February 1992 that Iran was “building up its special weapons capabilities” and the following month, he told Congress that Iran was seeking nuclear, chemical and biological weapons “capabilities”” and was “probably” going to”promote terrorism.”) and destroy Israel !

The field studies of Gates and his empirical results will most likely find application by the new face of the old ideology, Obama who like none of his predecessors offered AIPAC at its annual meeting last year a boundless obsequiousness. Obama tells us, a nuclear Iran is unacceptable, whereas a nuclear, chemical and biological Isreal, a criminal beyond reasonable doubt, is in defiance of “international law” acceptable and even defendable.

This is exactly the zionist misleading about Iran striving for the destruction of Israel with wmd? Why should Iran risk being bombed back into a desert? Why should it inevitably destroy Palestinians? If you ask a sergeant or any war servant at the pentagon, would it be possible to destroy the White House with wmd and spare” good” Washingtonians around, his answer would be, No.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(Gates testified in February 1992 that Iran was “building up its special weapons capabilities” and the following month, he told Congress that Iran was seeking nuclear, chemical and biological weapons “capabilities”” and was “probably” going to”promote terrorism.”) and destroy Israel !</p>
<p>The field studies of Gates and his empirical results will most likely find application by the new face of the old ideology, Obama who like none of his predecessors offered AIPAC at its annual meeting last year a boundless obsequiousness. Obama tells us, a nuclear Iran is unacceptable, whereas a nuclear, chemical and biological Isreal, a criminal beyond reasonable doubt, is in defiance of “international law” acceptable and even defendable.</p>
<p>This is exactly the zionist misleading about Iran striving for the destruction of Israel with wmd? Why should Iran risk being bombed back into a desert? Why should it inevitably destroy Palestinians? If you ask a sergeant or any war servant at the pentagon, would it be possible to destroy the White House with wmd and spare” good” Washingtonians around, his answer would be, No.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Dawson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Dawson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 18:42:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gates deserves life in prison for his war crimes against Nicaragua, but Obama did appoint him and is the president.  The buck goes and stops there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gates deserves life in prison for his war crimes against Nicaragua, but Obama did appoint him and is the president.  The buck goes and stops there.</p>
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