I do think Israel should be dissolved as a nation state. There should be one nation, Palestine or whatever the final name tag is for the atlas.

It should be an open nation with Palestinian ROR foremost.

Israel is a Zionist creation, a creation of Western imperialism. As such it cannot live in peace in the Middle East.

I suspect a number of Jewish protestors would find this reasonable, but many won’t. The two state solution (ill conceived to begin with) was merely an offering by the Palestinians when Israel had the upper hand. That is dissipating with time.

An interview with Hamas’ leader Khaled Meshal makes something of a case for the weakening of the Israeli military. (http://www.counterpunch.org/)

No, speaking out doesn’t make you an anti-Semite. What matters is what you actually say, and based upon that, I have no idea if you are one. I do know that there are plenty of anti-Semites out there, though I suspect you’re not actually among them. But my point was really one about consistency. Are we to dissolve states that harbour governments committing crimes? If Israel doesn’t deserve special treatment (which it doesn’t, of course), then nor should it be singled out for destruction.

Mebosa said:

“700 palestinians dead in gaza==holocaust

1200 fatah palestinians killed by hamas palestinians june 2007 is ok muslims killing muslims

30,000 palestinians killed by jordan 1970 is ok muslims killing muslims

20,000 killed by assad in syria is ok muslims killing muslims

400,ooo dead in darfur is ok muslims killing muslims

2,000,000 dead in iran-iraq war is ok muslims killing muslims”

Actually, no one’s saying any of this is “ok” (except, of course, the perpetrators and their backers – often in the West, incidentally, though that’s apparently irrelevant since you choose to see all of this as simply Muslim-on-Muslim violence, conveniently ignoring any of the actual history). It makes sense for a commissar like you – interested only in legitimating his own favoured state’s use of terrorism – to focus on the crimes of others (Pravda would have found good use for someone like you during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. “Why are people picking on us? Why don’t they focus on the crimes of the mujihadeen?”). As Noam Chomsky has said, you’re supposed to deal with crimes that are in your capacity to stop. This would be true if we were killing ONE person.

Get it?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-min

Hasbara spam alert
With Israel’s foreign ministry organising volunteers to flood news websites with pro-Israeli comments, Propaganda 2.0 is here
Richard Silverstein guardian.co.uk, Friday 9 January 2009 11.05 GMT

The hasbara brigade strikes again!
You always hear about Israeli attempts at media manipulation. Everyone knows it’s going on but usually the process happens through cyber insurgents like those involved with Giyus (and its media monitoring software, Megaphone). Now, we know that the Israeli foreign ministry itself is orchestrating propaganda efforts designed to flood news websites with pro-Israel arguments and information.

/……….. continues

Luis, I’m not the first to say that and I won’t be the last, and there are enough people who think it and believe and don’t say it and the sooner people stop being afraid to say it and stop pussyfooting around the subject, then the better.

I don’t like Israel and what it’s doing, I guess speaking out makes me an Anti-Semite then, right?

I also don’t like Zimbabwe and Mugabe, am I also racist?

I’m also incredibly disappointed in Obama, I think he’s already failed on foreign policy before he’s started.

1200 fatah palestinians killed by hamas palestinians june 2007 is ok muslims killing muslims

30,000 palestinians killed by jordan 1970 is ok muslims killing muslims

20,000 killed by assad in syria is ok muslims killing muslims

400,ooo dead in darfur is ok muslims killing muslims

2,000,000 dead in iran-iraq war is ok muslims killing muslims

can you a pattern here mr pilger ???????

On last night’s news, in response to a reporter’s surprisingly direct question ”Are you using white phosphorous?” an Israeli drone blandly and coldy replied ”We act in accordance with international law”. This response, dodging the yes/no answer, made me realise that the drone was right (first and only truth of the interview!) – Israel DOES obey international law since they aren’t signatories to such treaties involving weapons like white phosphorous or cluster bombs.

(did I just prove that Israel obeys the law?! Strange, but try to follow my twisted logic……………..I know I can’t)

I am grateful to that same God for giving us John Pilger who must be so weary from observing and reporting on wars on all continents over the last 50 years.

Thank you.

It seems to me there are two core flaws in the common perception which, if they could be demolished, would start to generate real progress in Palestine: 1. Zionism and Judaism are one and the same 2. That Israel ‘belongs’ to Zionism because God said so.

Zionism has become the power it is by prostituting the terrible history of suffering endured by Jewish people. That its survival depends on forcing that same suffering on others is an obscenity. Zionism needs to be seen for what it is: a ruthlessly fascist, racist organisation that should be an international pariah detached and separate in the public mind from Judaism. Once this isolation from Judaism can be effected its aims can be rightly overcome – because the central claim of Zionism cannot be supported.

Zionism claims that Palestine belongs to Zionism because God said so. But the existence of God cannot be proven; therefore the Zionist claim is fatuous and groundless.

Palestine belongs to Palestinians; and it should be irrelevant which religion individual Palestinians choose to believe in.

Free Democracy is a solution
http://www.freedemocrats.co.uk.

I noticed that they seek to end the existence of the Palestinians, which is why I support the voices within Israel trying to restrain their government and to raise the conscience of their people. But anyone who talks about ending “Israel’s existence” has obviously never heard of nuclear holocaust.

The primary responsibility for the ongoing atrocity lies with Israel. If you want to use that fact to argue that Israel should be gotten rid of, then be consistent and demand that the United States should be gotten rid of for the bloodbath in Iraq.

“You can use this invasion to critique the zionists”

I do so routinely.

“what good are they doing? If it were a democracy, that may be a good idea…but Israels rulers can choose to ignore them”

Israel is a democracy (for its Jewish inhabitants) to the same extent that your country is a democracy: the government ignores domestic public opinion when it can afford to, and pays attention to it when it becomes too expensive.

‘why not support the forces within Israel who are resisting their own government’s crimes? ‘

what good are they doing? If it were a democracy, that may be a good idea…but Israels rulers can choose to ignore them

http://news.antiwar.com/2009/01/07/un-israel-admits-claims-about-attacked-school-baseless/
UN: Israel Admits Claims About Attacked School Baseless
International Outrage Can Safely Resume as Israel Backs off Allegations
Posted January 7, 2009
UN Relief and Works Agency spokesman Chris Gunness reported this evening that the Israeli army is privately briefing diplomats on the fact that its previous claims about their attack on a UN-run girls’ school in the Gaza Strip, which caused over 100 civilian casualties, were baseless.
The attack occurred yesterday, when Israeli mortars deliberately fired three shells at the school, which was filled with hundreds of displaced civilians at the time, killing at least 46 and wounding 55 others. As international outrage began to well over the enormous civilian toll of the attack, Israel declared the killings “according to procedures” and claimed Hamas had fired rockets from the school’s courtyard, making the attack on hundreds of innocent civilians self-defense.
Much was made of the claim, including reports that Israel was mulling filing a formal complaint to the United Nations about Hamas’ use of the facility. But as the United Nations poked holes in the official story, Israel is now backing off those claims.
And while Israel had previously claimed to have had proof to back up its story, Gunness says the military is now conceding that the mortar fire they previously claimed came from the school came from elsewhere in the refugee camp. Though Israel is trying to keep its admission of guilt relatively quiet (far more quiet than its allegations that the killings were justified) it will doubtless pay a further price in the court of international public opinion for having once again deliberately targeted a building full of innocent civilians.

Great. So now Zionist expansionists need only cite this sort of message and say, “See, we were right! Our enemies want Israel destroyed!” Thanks for the self-fulfilling prophecy, Omar. As long as you keep preaching it, the Sampson Option will be in the wings.

Instead of mouthing feel-good inanities about Israel’s inherent evilness, why not support the forces within Israel who are resisting their own government’s crimes? Those who would claim there is something forever irredeemable about Israel only contribute to the long term guarantee of more bloodshed and suffering (how else do you think it will “cease to exist” if not through a cataclysmic war?). The Palestinians don’t deserve to be sacrificed on the altar of your grudges. Maybe you disagree.