Comments on: Hamas Cannot Be Defeated, So It Must Be Brought to Heel http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/hamas-cannot-be-defeated-so-it-must-be-brought-to-heel/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Thu, 08 Dec 2011 15:07:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Michael Kenny http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/hamas-cannot-be-defeated-so-it-must-be-brought-to-heel/#comment-35161 Michael Kenny Sat, 03 Jan 2009 16:09:22 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5768#comment-35161 I think this is right, but what Israel "wants" is foreign, more specifically, EU, troops sent in and the reason why European leaders are saying so little is that the last thing they want to do is, precisely, to get sucked into that hornet's nest. However things play out, though, the whole thing is a massive victory for Hamas and (yet another!) massive defeat for Israel. Israel is clearly scared silly of launching a land invasion of Gaza, no doubt for the reasons Mr Cook sets out. Exposing that fact to the world's gaze is a huge propaganda victory for Hamas, most of all, perhaps, within Israel itself. Israel has shown itself to be unable to defend its territory and unable to survive unless propped up by foreign troops. A failed state, if ever there was one! To which, of course, must be added the humanitarian propaganda disaster. Israel has fed off the "victim" discourse for the last 60 years: the poor, downtrodden Jews, victims of all those nasty anti-semites. Now, they have revealed themselves to be monsters far worse than any of which they claimed to have been themselves victim. Deep in the depths of Hell, Hitler must be laughing his head off! And, of course, the foreign troops would actually help Hamas! In Lebanon the soldiers protected the population from Israeli attacks, allowing Hezbollah to re-arm quietly and freeing up its fighters for other tasks (Gaza?). Protecting the population of Gaza in the same way would prevent Israel from ever again starving people out and would free up Hamas, allowing them, for example, to turn their attention to the West Bank which, as Mr Cook says, is a far juicier morsel than Gaza. The status quo ante suited Israel, but they have now gone and destroyed it! Never has so much been screwed up on behalf of so many by so few! I think this is right, but what Israel “wants” is foreign, more specifically, EU, troops sent in and the reason why European leaders are saying so little is that the last thing they want to do is, precisely, to get sucked into that hornet’s nest. However things play out, though, the whole thing is a massive victory for Hamas and (yet another!) massive defeat for Israel.

Israel is clearly scared silly of launching a land invasion of Gaza, no doubt for the reasons Mr Cook sets out. Exposing that fact to the world’s gaze is a huge propaganda victory for Hamas, most of all, perhaps, within Israel itself. Israel has shown itself to be unable to defend its territory and unable to survive unless propped up by foreign troops. A failed state, if ever there was one!

To which, of course, must be added the humanitarian propaganda disaster. Israel has fed off the “victim” discourse for the last 60 years: the poor, downtrodden Jews, victims of all those nasty anti-semites. Now, they have revealed themselves to be monsters far worse than any of which they claimed to have been themselves victim. Deep in the depths of Hell, Hitler must be laughing his head off!

And, of course, the foreign troops would actually help Hamas! In Lebanon the soldiers protected the population from Israeli attacks, allowing Hezbollah to re-arm quietly and freeing up its fighters for other tasks (Gaza?). Protecting the population of Gaza in the same way would prevent Israel from ever again starving people out and would free up Hamas, allowing them, for example, to turn their attention to the West Bank which, as Mr Cook says, is a far juicier morsel than Gaza.

The status quo ante suited Israel, but they have now gone and destroyed it! Never has so much been screwed up on behalf of so many by so few!

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/hamas-cannot-be-defeated-so-it-must-be-brought-to-heel/#comment-35100 bozh Fri, 02 Jan 2009 22:48:11 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5768#comment-35100 george, according to genesis 10: 18 ham is ancestor of canaanites. noah was his father who cursed canaanites and wished for them to be lowest slaves. noah blessed the other two sons, shem and japhet. however, this doean't mean that blacks of africa can't be hamites. or? thnx george,
according to genesis 10: 18 ham is ancestor of canaanites. noah was his father who cursed canaanites and wished for them to be lowest slaves.
noah blessed the other two sons, shem and japhet.
however, this doean’t mean that blacks of africa can’t be hamites. or?
thnx

]]> By: George Thompson http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/hamas-cannot-be-defeated-so-it-must-be-brought-to-heel/#comment-35076 George Thompson Fri, 02 Jan 2009 18:40:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5768#comment-35076 I'm so tired of Israel's supporters saying that Hamas started this fight with their ragtag rockets that almost never hit their targets. Israel started this ongoing fight when they instituted apartheid and constructed the wall that is almost completed now. These are not individual skirmishes but the ongoing attempts by the Palestinians too free themselves. It is time for the third intifada. The Jews will never listen. They started the Hamatic myth that enslaved Africans for 500 years. They hold the Palestinians in a similar light and think they have the moral high ground from the German holocaust. Being a victim of a holocaust does not give you the right to perpetrate on another group of people. Israel belongs in German territory because they lost the war but Europe is known for always dumping their problems on the rest of the world. I’m so tired of Israel’s supporters saying that Hamas started this fight with their ragtag rockets that almost never hit their targets. Israel started this ongoing fight when they instituted apartheid and constructed the wall that is almost completed now. These are not individual skirmishes but the ongoing attempts by the Palestinians too free themselves. It is time for the third intifada. The Jews will never listen. They started the Hamatic myth that enslaved Africans for 500 years. They hold the Palestinians in a similar light and think they have the moral high ground from the German holocaust. Being a victim of a holocaust does not give you the right to perpetrate on another group of people. Israel belongs in German territory because they lost the war but Europe is known for always dumping their problems on the rest of the world.

]]> By: mary http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/hamas-cannot-be-defeated-so-it-must-be-brought-to-heel/#comment-35039 mary Fri, 02 Jan 2009 07:21:17 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5768#comment-35039 Kalidas Carlos Latuff (in Brazil) thinks the same about the oil rich Arab states who are onlookers to this massacre whilst sitting on their hands. Latuff's output, excellent before this carnage began, has been brilliant. The second link is to his gallery. http://fc15.deviantart.com/fs38/f/2008/362/4/a/Israeli_raid_on_Gaza_by_Latuff2.jpg http://latuff2.deviantart.com/gallery/ Kalidas

Carlos Latuff (in Brazil) thinks the same about the oil rich Arab states who are onlookers to this massacre whilst sitting on their hands. Latuff’s output, excellent before this carnage began, has been brilliant. The second link is to his gallery.

http://fc15.deviantart.com/fs38/f/2008/362/4/a/Israeli_raid_on_Gaza_by_Latuff2.jpg

http://latuff2.deviantart.com/gallery/

]]> By: kalidas http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/hamas-cannot-be-defeated-so-it-must-be-brought-to-heel/#comment-35032 kalidas Fri, 02 Jan 2009 04:19:51 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5768#comment-35032 US/Euro/Isr/Saudi Arabia US/Euro/Isr/Saudi Arabia

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/hamas-cannot-be-defeated-so-it-must-be-brought-to-heel/#comment-34978 bozh Thu, 01 Jan 2009 20:32:47 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5768#comment-34978 if over sixty yrs of butchery of pals by euros, a thousands upon thousands times a stronger econo-military side didn't prove that pals cannot be defeated, i don't know how long butchers must keep butchering pals to be convinced euros can't win. there appears only one way euros can win: do what nazi have done and car away all the pals off into the see or to a desert. US/euro/isr wicked alliance does not dare to do that. and why? cuz arabs may revolt against their own despots and set fire to all of the wells. thnx if over sixty yrs of butchery of pals by euros, a thousands upon thousands times a stronger econo-military side didn’t prove that pals cannot be defeated, i don’t know how long butchers must keep butchering pals to be convinced euros can’t win.
there appears only one way euros can win: do what nazi have done and car away all the pals off into the see or to a desert.
US/euro/isr wicked alliance does not dare to do that. and why? cuz arabs may revolt against their own despots and set fire to all of the wells. thnx

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