Comments on: Fact and Law Checking the Wall Street Journal and Alan Dershowitz http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/ a radical newsletter in the struggle for peace and social justice Mon, 23 Nov 2009 02:45:36 -0800 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Intelligenzquotient http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-49691 Intelligenzquotient Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:51:00 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-49691 This brings me to an idea:... This brings me to an idea:…

]]> By: David http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-36848 David Tue, 20 Jan 2009 17:32:49 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-36848 Surly he jests. Israel is perhaps the last colonial enterprise from the 20th century. It is not peaceful nor democratic but rather racist, aggressive, terrorist, and will fade into oblivion.....as did its brother, the 3rd Reich..... Surly he jests. Israel is perhaps the last colonial enterprise from the 20th century. It is not peaceful nor democratic but rather racist, aggressive, terrorist, and will fade into oblivion…..as did its brother, the 3rd Reich…..

]]> By: Allah's Apostle http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-36721 Allah's Apostle Mon, 19 Jan 2009 08:27:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-36721 Israel deserves to live in peace. Israel is a peaceful and democratic nation. The rocket attacks on innocent Israelis must cease at once. Hamas must be dismantled forever. They should no longer be allowed to propagate hatred and kill innocent people. What is more is that Hamas and its sister organizations hurt the chances for a viable, peaceful Palestinian state next to Israel. Anyway, Israel will stand forever. It is a shinning beacon of light and hope for the entire world. Israel deserves to live in peace. Israel is a peaceful and democratic nation. The rocket attacks on innocent Israelis must cease at once. Hamas must be dismantled forever. They should no longer be allowed to propagate hatred and kill innocent people.

What is more is that Hamas and its sister organizations hurt the chances for a viable, peaceful Palestinian state next to Israel.

Anyway, Israel will stand forever. It is a shinning beacon of light and hope for the entire world.

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35876 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:58:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35876 us. but had i known about what went on in Americas when i was 20 years old, i would have never come to Canada>>> Where did you originate then? From where did your family come to Canada? us. but had i known about what went on in Americas when i was 20 years old, i would have never come to Canada>>>

Where did you originate then? From where did your family come to Canada?

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35875 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:57:09 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35875 but you people are even worse than us. but had i known about what went on in Americas when i was 20 years old, i would have never come to Canada..." No. Israel is not worse than White European invaders of north America. No way. Maybe you've not studied Andrew Jackson and his Indian wars. Maybe you do not know about our 1830 Congressional Indian Removal Act, whereby all the civilize tribes, the Cherokee, the Chickasaw, Choctaw , Seminole and Creek Indians were forcibly removed west of the Mississippi River. Maybe you've not heard of the Trail of Tears. Maybe you've never read about "Manifest Destiny," or America's war against Mexico for Texas, California, New Mexico, Nevada. Every hear of the Gold Rush? You haven't a clue if you think Israel is worse than what the White European criminals did to the natives. I cannot believe you are writing this! but you people are even worse than us. but had i known about what went on in Americas when i was 20 years old, i would have never come to Canada…”

No. Israel is not worse than White European invaders of north America. No way. Maybe you’ve not studied Andrew Jackson and his Indian wars. Maybe you do not know about our 1830 Congressional Indian Removal Act, whereby all the civilize tribes, the Cherokee, the Chickasaw, Choctaw , Seminole and Creek Indians were forcibly removed west of the Mississippi River. Maybe you’ve not heard of the Trail of Tears. Maybe you’ve never read about “Manifest Destiny,” or America’s war against Mexico for Texas, California, New Mexico, Nevada. Every hear of the Gold Rush? You haven’t a clue if you think Israel is worse than what the White European criminals did to the natives. I cannot believe you are writing this!

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35872 bozh Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:46:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35872 nazi leadersship knew of the plot to exterminate 'jews' who were not of judean decent; so you comparison is a quite a stretch. nazis made mistake of confusing germans, poles, russians, khazars with ancient hebrews or judeans. ther is no question about the fact that europeans have stolen land from and been brutal to red people. but you people are even worse than us. but had i known about what went on in americas when i was 20 yers old, i wolud have never come to canada. i am ashamed of europeans even tho i have written many times to media and canadian govts about injustices done to this people. 'jews' are engaged in perpetuating old world order. thnx nazi leadersship knew of the plot to exterminate ‘jews’ who were not of judean decent; so you comparison is a quite a stretch. nazis made mistake of confusing germans, poles, russians, khazars with ancient hebrews or judeans.
ther is no question about the fact that europeans have stolen land from and been brutal to red people.
but you people are even worse than us. but had i known about what went on in americas when i was 20 yers old, i wolud have never come to canada.
i am ashamed of europeans even tho i have written many times to media and canadian govts about injustices done to this people.
‘jews’ are engaged in perpetuating old world order. thnx

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35866 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:25:01 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35866 Bozh, Osama was recorded on video boasting that the 9/11 atrocities exceeded their wildest imagination, though as an engineer this spectacular operation was very well-planned and executed. You saying 99.99% of Taliban / Al Qaeda knew nothing of the plot would be akin to saying 99.99% of the Nazi leadership knew nothing of the Final Solution. Whether or not 99.99% of the Nazi leadership was in the dark is not relevant. Neither is it relevant that 99.99% of these genocidal killers that you defend knew or know nothing. The point is, you defend genocidal monsters, plain and simple. Beyond that, I find it ironic that you live in Canada. I live in north America. Here we are Bozh, living in two nations that ethnically cleansed, murdered and despoliated native peoples, an you dare fault Israel? The Jews returned to their historic / Biblical homeland. What excuse do you have displacing a native people? How do you, a Canadian interloper, dare lecture the Israelites, who only returned to their ancient homeland! You are the descendant of criminal interlopers -- you are living / squatting on native people's land; give it back you low life thief! -- and you dare find fault with the Jews? Bozh, Osama was recorded on video boasting that the 9/11 atrocities exceeded their wildest imagination, though as an engineer this spectacular operation was very well-planned and executed. You saying 99.99% of Taliban / Al Qaeda knew nothing of the plot would be akin to saying 99.99% of the Nazi leadership knew nothing of the Final Solution. Whether or not 99.99% of the Nazi leadership was in the dark is not relevant. Neither is it relevant that 99.99% of these genocidal killers that you defend knew or know nothing. The point is, you defend genocidal monsters, plain and simple.

Beyond that, I find it ironic that you live in Canada. I live in north America. Here we are Bozh, living in two nations that ethnically cleansed, murdered and despoliated native peoples, an you dare fault Israel? The Jews returned to their historic / Biblical homeland. What excuse do you have displacing a native people? How do you, a Canadian interloper, dare lecture the Israelites, who only returned to their ancient homeland! You are the descendant of criminal interlopers — you are living / squatting on native people’s land; give it back you low life thief! — and you dare find fault with the Jews?

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35863 bozh Fri, 09 Jan 2009 19:07:40 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35863 steve, i do not know what role osama had, if any, in 9/crime by arabs. but it cloud be presumed that 99.99% of taliban knew nothing of the plot to run with planes into the two towers. it is generally recognized that arabs joined afghans int heir struggle to oust usssr. US had aided them; they stayed after ussr had to withdraw. beyond this everything is avast unknown. even cia hadn't yet found osama; ie, dosn't know where he is. who am i to know? or may be cia knows but prefers to punish pashtuns collectively. it's a old world order; anything is possible. about your question. i am a canadian citizen. my floks were partisan fighters against italins and germans. isabella an i have a house an dvery small income. thnx to be a terrorist all you need is just several people and a den in vancouver, london; you don't need caves nor any govt to assist you. steve, i do not know what role osama had, if any, in 9/crime by arabs.
but it cloud be presumed that 99.99% of taliban knew nothing of the plot to run with planes into the two towers.
it is generally recognized that arabs joined afghans int heir struggle to oust usssr. US had aided them; they stayed after ussr had to withdraw.
beyond this everything is avast unknown.
even cia hadn’t yet found osama; ie, dosn’t know where he is. who am i to know? or may be cia knows but prefers to punish pashtuns collectively.
it’s a old world order; anything is possible.

about your question. i am a canadian citizen. my floks were partisan fighters against italins and germans. isabella an i have a house an dvery small income. thnx

to be a terrorist all you need is just several people and a den in vancouver, london; you don’t need caves nor any govt to assist you.

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35855 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:34:37 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35855 bozh, you wrote: "after 9/11 US had not responded; it had invaded a land that had not represented any peril of any kind whatsoever to even a single westerner...and to this day not a single pashtun had responded to western crimes against them." The point is, Osama bin Laden's Al Qaeda / Taliban was the governing authority in Afghanistan. The U.S. had an address. International terrorism does not arise from thin air. The jihadists are not "suspended in thin air." There are state sponsors. Without these state sponsors which provide territorial safe havens, intelligence, money and operational assistance, there would be no international terrorism. Are you suggesting, bin Laden and Al Qaeda had nothing to do with the 9/11 atrocities? If you are this much of a wacko, we have nothing (zero, nada) to discuss. Are you a whack job conspiracy theorist? Are you a 911 Truther or some other delusional whacked out conspiracy nut job? bozh, you wrote: “after 9/11 US had not responded; it had invaded a land that had not represented any peril of any kind whatsoever to even a single westerner…and to this day not a single pashtun had responded to western crimes against them.”

The point is, Osama bin Laden’s Al Qaeda / Taliban was the governing authority in Afghanistan. The U.S. had an address. International terrorism does not arise from thin air. The jihadists are not “suspended in thin air.” There are state sponsors. Without these state sponsors which provide territorial safe havens, intelligence, money and operational assistance, there would be no international terrorism.

Are you suggesting, bin Laden and Al Qaeda had nothing to do with the 9/11 atrocities? If you are this much of a wacko, we have nothing (zero, nada) to discuss. Are you a whack job conspiracy theorist? Are you a 911 Truther or some other delusional whacked out conspiracy nut job?

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35854 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:26:29 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35854 bozh, let me try yet again. 1) I am curious. What in what country do you claim citizenship? #2) Do you own any property? I will read and answer your response above. Thanks. bozh, let me try yet again.

1) I am curious. What in what country do you claim citizenship?

#2) Do you own any property?

I will read and answer your response above. Thanks.

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35853 bozh Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:21:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35853 steve, you have brought up an interesting puzzle. after 9/11 US had not responded; it had invaded a land that had not represented any peril of any kind whatsoever to even a single westerner. and to this day not a single pashtun had responded to western crimes against them. remember, and also for 'jewish' sake, that on eneeds to be accurate and advequate. when children throw rocks at the invaders and invaders 'respond' with bullets, maiming/killing some kids, that may be justified by saying, ah, well, that's war; thus proportions in war don't matter. being proportionate in war btw to more or less equally strong belligerents is a matter of dispute. it cannot be disputed when it comes to raids. raids by a fourth strongest army with. tanks, army, jets, gunship helis; with entire christian world on its side and against a strip of land totally blockaded and cut in three pieces and its people w.o. any defence. so, may be you are right, proportionality does not pertain at all. what israel should do is to at least do away with the blockade. also recall that the right bear arms or to defedn self are two universals which nato and israel rutinely violate. but we all know, that Israel can't afford peace. it couln't even in 18th, nor 19th, nor 20th, nor 21st century. thnx . steve,
you have brought up an interesting puzzle.
after 9/11 US had not responded; it had invaded a land that had not represented any peril of any kind whatsoever to even a single westerner.
and to this day not a single pashtun had responded to western crimes against them.
remember, and also for ‘jewish’ sake, that on eneeds to be accurate and advequate.
when children throw rocks at the invaders and invaders ‘respond’ with bullets, maiming/killing some kids, that may be justified by saying, ah, well, that’s war; thus proportions in war don’t matter.
being proportionate in war btw to more or less equally strong belligerents is a matter of dispute.
it cannot be disputed when it comes to raids. raids by a fourth strongest army with. tanks, army, jets, gunship helis; with entire christian world on its side and against a strip of land totally blockaded and cut in three pieces and its people w.o. any defence.
so, may be you are right, proportionality does not pertain at all.
what israel should do is to at least do away with the blockade.
also recall that the right bear arms or to defedn self are two universals which nato and israel rutinely violate.
but we all know, that Israel can’t afford peace. it couln’t even in 18th, nor 19th, nor 20th, nor 21st century. thnx
.

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35848 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:38:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35848 bozh: "besides, gazan crimes against sderot, may be described as ripple while israeli ‘response’ (now at least for a thousanth time) may be described as relatively large wave or a nini tsunami. thnx steve for prodding me to think..." What you are referring to here is this fallacy of "proportionality" in war. There is no such thing as a proportional war. Did the U.S. respond proportionately to Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor? Did the Allies respond proportionately to German atrocities in Poland, Rotterdam, Coventry, London, etc.? Did America respond proportionately to the 9/11 Muslim terror atrocities in New York and Washington? bozh: “besides, gazan crimes against sderot, may be described as ripple while israeli ‘response’ (now at least for a thousanth time) may be described as relatively large wave or a nini tsunami. thnx steve for prodding me to think…”

What you are referring to here is this fallacy of “proportionality” in war. There is no such thing as a proportional war. Did the U.S. respond proportionately to Japan’s attack on Pearl Harbor? Did the Allies respond proportionately to German atrocities in Poland, Rotterdam, Coventry, London, etc.? Did America respond proportionately to the 9/11 Muslim terror atrocities in New York and Washington?

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35847 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:20:31 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35847 bozh, #2) Do you own any property? bozh,

#2) Do you own any property?

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35846 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:19:27 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35846 bozh, I am curious. What in what country do you claim citizenship? bozh, I am curious. What in what country do you claim citizenship?

]]> By: bozh http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35842 bozh Fri, 09 Jan 2009 17:14:18 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35842 steve klein, i don't want to talk about what a 'jew' is (the words under single quotes have false symbolic value); i only care what the israelis do. as i said already, gaza massacre makes old world order much clearer. some people still talk about neocons, but i call them samecons. most 'jews' have behaved since its first TSUNAMI of '46 just like babylonians, asyrians, hebrews, ottomans, et al. but once a person sets out on one's voyage into history since the latest tsunami against sderot, a palestinian town to boot, one can 'prove' israel is innocent; only defending self. besides, gazan crimes against sderot, may be described as ripple while israeli 'response' (now at least for a thousanth time) may be described as relatively large wave or a nini tsunami. thnx steve for prodding me to think. steve klein,
i don’t want to talk about what a ‘jew’ is (the words under single quotes have false symbolic value); i only care what the israelis do.
as i said already, gaza massacre makes old world order much clearer.
some people still talk about neocons, but i call them samecons.
most ‘jews’ have behaved since its first TSUNAMI of ‘46 just like babylonians, asyrians, hebrews, ottomans, et al.
but once a person sets out on one’s voyage into history since the latest tsunami against sderot, a palestinian town to boot, one can ‘prove’ israel is innocent; only defending self.
besides, gazan crimes against sderot, may be described as ripple while israeli ‘response’ (now at least for a thousanth time) may be described as relatively large wave or a nini tsunami. thnx steve for prodding me to think.

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35837 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 16:23:08 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35837 Brian Koontz said: "The Israelis are a far shadier, more cunning, more manipulative, version of the Nazis....." Let's translate Koontz's eliminationist words for the average reader. "The Jew is a shady, cunning, , manipulative, subhuman version of the Nazis. The Jew possesses the lust of the Negro, the craftiness of the Mongol, and the criminal drives of all the races which have combined to produce his blood. If the Jews were alone in this world, they would suffocate as much in the dirt and filth, as they would carry on a detestable struggle to cheat and ruin each other." Brian Koontz said: “The Israelis are a far shadier, more cunning, more manipulative, version of the Nazis…..”

Let’s translate Koontz’s eliminationist words for the average reader. “The Jew is a shady, cunning, , manipulative, subhuman version of the Nazis. The Jew possesses the lust of the Negro, the craftiness of the Mongol, and the criminal drives of all the races which have combined to produce his blood. If the Jews were alone in this world, they would suffocate as much in the dirt and filth, as they would carry on a detestable struggle to cheat and ruin each other.”

]]> By: mary http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35835 mary Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:36:12 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35835 Time for the trolls to dry up. You are becoming very boring (and repetitive). Hasbara spam alert With Israel’s foreign ministry organising volunteers to flood news websites with pro-Israeli comments, Propaganda 2.0 is here Richard Silverstein guardian.co.uk, Friday 9 January 2009 11.05 GMT The hasbara brigade strikes again! You always hear about Israeli attempts at media manipulation. Everyone knows it’s going on but usually the process happens through cyber insurgents like those involved with Giyus (and its media monitoring software, Megaphone). Now, we know that the Israeli foreign ministry itself is orchestrating propaganda efforts designed to flood news websites with pro-Israel arguments and information. /……….. continues http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media Time for the trolls to dry up. You are becoming very boring (and repetitive).

Hasbara spam alert
With Israel’s foreign ministry organising volunteers to flood news websites with pro-Israeli comments, Propaganda 2.0 is here

Richard Silverstein guardian.co.uk, Friday 9 January 2009 11.05 GMT

The hasbara brigade strikes again!
You always hear about Israeli attempts at media manipulation. Everyone knows it’s going on but usually the process happens through cyber insurgents like those involved with Giyus (and its media monitoring software, Megaphone). Now, we know that the Israeli foreign ministry itself is orchestrating propaganda efforts designed to flood news websites with pro-Israel arguments and information.

/……….. continues

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jan/09/israel-foreign-ministry-media

]]> By: Brian Koontz http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35834 Brian Koontz Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:32:41 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35834 "How can anyone with any intellectual honesty compare Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto? Did the Nazis send humanitarian aid to the Jews in the ghetto? Did the Nazis supply electricity to the ghetto. Did they provide humanitarian aid and electricity as they slaughtered the mostly defenseless Jews in the ghetto? The Nazis entered the ghetto, slaughtering men, women and children. The Nazis left nothing that breathes in the ghetto. It is a preposterous comparison. It is an hideous comparison. It is an enormity to compare the two." You bring up some interesting points. The Israelis are far more cruel insofar as they give some hope to the very people they plan to exterminate - they prolong their suffering. The Israelis are a far shadier, more cunning, more manipulative, version of the Nazis. Instead of quick gas chambers and firing squads (amid slower deaths), the Israelis are all about slow starvation and bombing. And the ambition! Instead of relatively small concentration camps, imagine turning the entire country into a concentration camp! Version 2.0 of the Nazis are "new and improved". By transforming the Israeli/Palestinian state into a democracy, the world will create a reality by which there will most likely not be a Nazi 3.0. Israeli: "It's not brutality if we kill them slowly". “How can anyone with any intellectual honesty compare Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto? Did the Nazis send humanitarian aid to the Jews in the ghetto? Did the Nazis supply electricity to the ghetto. Did they provide humanitarian aid and electricity as they slaughtered the mostly defenseless Jews in the ghetto? The Nazis entered the ghetto, slaughtering men, women and children. The Nazis left nothing that breathes in the ghetto. It is a preposterous comparison. It is an hideous comparison. It is an enormity to compare the two.”

You bring up some interesting points. The Israelis are far more cruel insofar as they give some hope to the very people they plan to exterminate – they prolong their suffering. The Israelis are a far shadier, more cunning, more manipulative, version of the Nazis. Instead of quick gas chambers and firing squads (amid slower deaths), the Israelis are all about slow starvation and bombing.

And the ambition! Instead of relatively small concentration camps, imagine turning the entire country into a concentration camp! Version 2.0 of the Nazis are “new and improved”.

By transforming the Israeli/Palestinian state into a democracy, the world will create a reality by which there will most likely not be a Nazi 3.0.

Israeli: “It’s not brutality if we kill them slowly”.

]]> By: Steve Klein http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35833 Steve Klein Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:26:34 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35833 Time on line wrote: "As Israeli troops encircle Gaza City, their commanders are faced with a painful dilemma: How far must they advance into the deadly labyrinth of slums and refugee camps where Hamas militants await with booby-trapped houses and snipers? " http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870314,00.html This is what Moses wrote in the Torah; when the Jews disobeyed YHWH and we served other gods: Deu 28:53 "Then you shall eat the offspring of your own body, the flesh of your sons and of your daughters whom the LORD your God has given you, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you. ... This is what a military siege looked like in ancient times; not what is going on in Gaza today, whereby the Jews send in humanitarian aid under compulsion by the international community. The following is what Moses wrote or commanded the Jews. This is what Israel would do in Gaza were they faithful to YHWH: Deu 20:10 "When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace. "If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you. "However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it. "When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword. "Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you. Time on line wrote: “As Israeli troops encircle Gaza City, their commanders are faced with a painful dilemma: How far must they advance into the deadly labyrinth of slums and refugee camps where Hamas militants await with booby-trapped houses and snipers? ”

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1870314,00.html

This is what Moses wrote in the Torah; when the Jews disobeyed YHWH and we served other gods:

Deu 28:53 “Then you shall eat the offspring of your own body, the flesh of your sons and of your daughters whom the LORD your God has given you, during the siege and the distress by which your enemy will oppress you. …

This is what a military siege looked like in ancient times; not what is going on in Gaza today, whereby the Jews send in humanitarian aid under compulsion by the international community.

The following is what Moses wrote or commanded the Jews. This is what Israel would do in Gaza were they faithful to YHWH:

Deu 20:10 “When you approach a city to fight against it, you shall offer it terms of peace.

“If it agrees to make peace with you and opens to you, then all the people who are found in it shall become your forced labor and shall serve you.

“However, if it does not make peace with you, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it.

“When the LORD your God gives it into your hand, you shall strike all the men in it with the edge of the sword.

“Only the women and the children and the animals and all that is in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as booty for yourself; and you shall use the spoil of your enemies which the LORD your God has given you.

]]> By: mebosa ritchie http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/01/fact-and-law-checking-the-wall-street-journal-and-alan-dershowitz/#comment-35832 mebosa ritchie Fri, 09 Jan 2009 15:25:20 +0000 http://www.dissidentvoice.org/?p=5907#comment-35832 i think we can all be confident that president obama will continue u.s support for israel "That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: Our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy," he added. "That will always be my starting point." In what may have been a veiled reference to reports of American opposition to Israeli negotations with Syria, Obama said: "We should never seek to dictate what is best for the Israelis and their security interests. No Israeli prime minister should ever feel dragged to or blocked from the negotiating table by the United States." The Illinois senator also called for continued American military assistance to Israel. "We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs," he said. i think we can all be confident that president obama will continue u.s support for israel

“That effort begins with a clear and strong commitment to the security of Israel: Our strongest ally in the region and its only established democracy,” he added. “That will always be my starting point.”

In what may have been a veiled reference to reports of American opposition to Israeli negotations with Syria, Obama said: “We should never seek to dictate what is best for the Israelis and their security interests. No Israeli prime minister should ever feel dragged to or blocked from the negotiating table by the United States.”

The Illinois senator also called for continued American military assistance to Israel. “We must preserve our total commitment to our unique defense relationship with Israel by fully funding military assistance and continuing work on the Arrow and related missile defense programs,” he said.

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